Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 34 › Conversation 034-060

Nixon phone call with Eisenhower on Ronald L. Ziegler and H.R. Haldeman

Wednesday, December 13, 1972 · 11:19 AM–11:21 AM ET · White House Telephone · 1 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Eisenhower, Julie NixonConversation034-060 on Tape 34StartWednesday, December 13, 1972 at 11:19 AMEndWednesday, December 13, 1972 at 11:21 AMRecording deviceWhite House TelephoneSourceNixon Library record for 034-060 ↗ · National Archives Catalog, NAID 647841724 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon and Julie Nixon Eisenhower discuss coordinating a meeting between Press Secretary Ronald L. Ziegler and First Lady Pat Nixon regarding Julie’s career plans. Following consultation with H.R. Haldeman, the President decides to facilitate the outreach himself to ensure a direct discussion. The President tasks Ziegler with calling the First Lady to schedule a meeting for that afternoon.

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NARA Description

On December 13, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Julie Nixon Eisenhower talked on the telephone from 11:19 am to 11:21 am. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 034-060 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 34-60

Date: December 13, 1972
Time: 11:19 am - 11:21 am
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                                               Conversation No. 34-60 (cont’d)

Location: White House Telephone

The President talked with Julie Nixon Eisenhower.

[See Conversation No. 385-30B]

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[Begin segment reviewed under deed of gift]

       Julie Nixon Eisenhower’s employment
             -Paul Healy interview
             -Ronald L. Ziegler’s role
                   -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman’s view
                   -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
                   -The President’s call to Ziegler
                   -Timing

[End segment reviewed under deed of gift]
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I didn't have Julie.
Hi.
Are you over at the house?
Yeah, I'm having an interview with Paul Healy.
Oh, sure.
He's writing a book on... Oh, that's great.
But I wanted to tell you, I think that the next step is to get Ron to come over.
Well, let me ask you... Tell Ron.
Are you...
Call Ron.
Are you... No, no.
Are you where you can talk now?
Yes.
Fine.
Well, as a matter of fact, I was just talking about that here with Bob Holliman and
And that's what he had suggested, that he says Ron is enthusiastic, that he'd very much like to do it, and has a way and a plan and so forth.
Now, would you want me to
to have Ron talk to your mother about it, just alone?
I think with both of us, they are fine, because she's very honest, you know.
Yeah.
So I think if Ron has time for you this afternoon, it would be really good.
Fine.
So I'll call Ron and... Let me arrange it with Ron.
Good.
I'll arrange it and tell him to call... Tell him to call mother and... Yeah, and say he'd like to call her at a certain time.
Like around 2?
Two o'clock?
Yeah.
Fine.
All right.
Fine.
Great.
All right.
Okay.
Fine.
If that's a good time, good luck.
Thank you.
Give Mr. Healy my best.
Okay.
Bye.
Good man.
Good man.

Also recorded on December 13, 1972

  • 385-028 10:50 AM · 12 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Manolo Sanchez met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 10:50 am and 10:54 am.
  • 385-029 10:50 AM · 34 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 10:50 am and 10:54 am.
  • 034-059 10:54 AM · 11 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 10:54 am and 11:19 am.
  • 381-001 10:54 AM · 1 hr 1 min — President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Ronald L. Ziegler, Alexander M. Haig, Jr., and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 10:54 am to 12:25 pm.
  • 385-030 10:54 AM · 26 min — President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, White House operator, and Julie Nixon Eisenhower met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 10:54 am and 11:21 am.
  • 034-061 11:22 AM · 13 sec — H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman and the White House operator talked on the telephone at 11:22 am.
  • 034-062 11:26 AM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. talked on the telephone from 11:26 am to 11:28 am.
  • 381-002 12:25 PM · 15 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 12:25 pm and 12:28 pm.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 034-060, December 13, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives (NAID 647841724). Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/034-060 (accessed November 12, 2026).