Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 38 › Conversation 038-123

Nixon phone call with Ehrlichman on Watergate and Charles Colson

Thursday, April 19, 1973 · 6:00 PM–6:03 PM ET · White House Telephone · 3 min

ParticipantsEhrlichman, John D.; Nixon, Richard M. (President)Conversation038-123 on Tape 38StartThursday, April 19, 1973 at 6:00 PMEndThursday, April 19, 1973 at 6:03 PMRecording deviceWhite House TelephoneSourceNixon Library record for 038-123 ↗

John Ehrlichman updates President Nixon regarding an ongoing investigation into a mysterious removal of eight boxes of materials from a committee office the day after the Watergate break-in. Ehrlichman reports that Charles Colson, H.R. Haldeman, and others lack knowledge of the event, though they suspect it involved someone with high-level access like Robert C. Odle or Frederick C. LaRue. The President expresses concern over the potential link to Watergate and emphasizes the urgent need to identify the individual who reportedly moved the materials to a private apartment.

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Mr. President.
Hello.
Mr. President, Mr. Ehrlichman.
Yeah.
All right.
Ready?
Yes, sir.
Chuck says he doesn't know.
And he says it probably is somebody like Odle or LaRue or somebody that used to have an office and a pass and was over at the committee.
He has no idea.
He doesn't know the attorney involved.
No way of knowing.
So it's still a mystery.
But...
Several people are trying to find out what it's all about, and if we do, we'll let you know.
Well, let me say that it can't have anything to do with Watergate, I'm sure, is it?
Well, we just don't know.
The coincidence is certainly mighty strong.
When was it?
The day after.
The day after?
Right.
Eight boxes of material.
Nobody knows, but... Well, the fellow, as he's saying... What office he took it from?
No, no, no.
He's being very unspecific in his application.
So it'll be a chapter for the future.
And Chuck swears he doesn't know what this is about.
Right.
Do you, shall I tell those fellows 8 or 8.30 or sometime?
Make it 8.45.
Right.
Excellent.
That'll give you plenty of time.
Right.
Good.
And if you find anything out on this goddamn thing, why, Ron's saying, we just don't know.
That's right.
Which happens to be the truth.
Yeah.
But do you think somebody else may have just... What in the world?
I mean, in the name of God, would it be?
Heck, just can't imagine.
Cannot imagine.
Did you ask Bob?
Yep.
He's the foggiest.
Are you sure he has none at all?
None.
Strawn, anybody like that?
Well, they're asking around, but nobody seems to know.
Clearly not strong.
That's what it's not about.
Goddamn, well, we've got to find out.
Oh, sure.
This one we've got to find out and clear up.
Now, believe me, I've put it on the other one.
Where was it?
I'm going to ask you this one question.
Where was it taken?
To somebody's home, apparently.
The apartment, somebody's apartment.
Well, then that's the individual that has it then.
He kept it at his home then, apparently, but they don't know who it is.
Mm-hmm.
As soon as we have anything, we'll let you know.
All right.
Okay.

On April 19, 1973, John D. Ehrlichman and President Richard M. Nixon talked on the telephone from 6:00 pm to 6:03 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 038-123 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 38-123

Date: April 19, 1973
Time: 6:00 pm - 6:03 pm
Location: White House Telephone

John D. Ehrlichman talked with the President.

[See also Conversation No. 429-21]

     Watergate
          -Charles Colson’s knowledge of an event
               -Robert C. Odle and Frederick C. LaRue
          -Event which occurred day after Watergate
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                                           Conversation No. 38-123 (cont’d)

                 -Colson’s knowledge
                       -Boxes of material
           -President’s schedule
                 -Meeting
           -Mystery event
                 -Ronald L. Ziegler’s statement
                 -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
                 -Gordon C. Strachan
                 -Removal of materials
  • 038-119 5:10 PM · 12 sec — White House operator and President Richard M. Nixon talked on the telephone at 5:10 pm.
  • 429-018 5:15 PM · 25 min — President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, Manolo Sanchez, unknown person(s), and Julie Nixon Eisenhower met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 5:15 pm to 5:45 pm.
  • 038-120 5:43 PM · 33 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Julie Nixon Eisenhower talked on the telephone from 5:43 pm to 5:45 pm.
  • 038-121 5:45 PM · 11 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 5:45 pm and 5:48 pm.
  • 038-122 5:58 PM · 21 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and John D. Ehrlichman talked on the telephone from 5:58 pm to 5:59 pm.
  • 429-019 5:58 PM · 15 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and John D. Ehrlichman met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 5:58 pm to 5:59 pm.
  • 429-020 5:59 PM · 34 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 5:59 pm to 6:00 pm.
  • 429-021 6:00 PM · 1 min — President Richard M. Nixon and John D. Ehrlichman met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 6:00 pm to 6:03 pm.

Conversation 038-123, April 19, 1973. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/038-123 (accessed October 12, 2026).