Nixon White House Tapes ›Tape 38 › Conversation 038-141

Nixon, Haldeman & Bull on Watergate scandal and White House tapes

Wednesday, April 25, 1973 · 11:06 AM–1:51 PM ET · White House Telephone ·1 min

ParticipantsHaldeman, H. R. ("Bob");  Bull, Stephen B.;  Nixon, Richard M. (President);  Ehrlichman, John D.Conversation038-141 onTape 38StartWednesday, April 25, 1973 at 11:06 AMEndWednesday, April 25, 1973 at 1:51 PMRecording deviceWhite House TelephoneSourceNixon Library record for 038-141 ↗

AI Summary

H. R. Haldeman, with President Nixon and John Ehrlichman present, directed Stephen Bull to urgently secure and transport recordings from the March 10–23, 1973 period. Haldeman instructed Bull to gather all relevant material and ensure it was placed in a secure container for delivery. Additionally, Bull was tasked with procuring a simple, functional playback device capable of handling the tapes, emphasizing the need for immediate action.

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Mr. Boll's office.
Alderman, may I speak to Steve, please?
One moment, sir.
Steve Boll.
Hi, Steve.
Yes, sir.
go to the guy you talked to on that stuff and, uh, out of the file, have him deliver to you the material for the period from March 10th to March 23rd.
Okay, you know what I'm talking about?
Yes, sir.
Telephone, get the whole shot.
And, uh, have them put it in a suitcase or something.
I don't know what form it's in, but put it in some kind of bag so it isn't
Yes.
And have them bring it to you and also get a machine that is technically capable of listening to it.
Fine.
The smallest and most simple search machine.
All right, fine.
We'll need stereo at living.
I'll tell you when I have it then.
All right.
Do it as quickly as possible.
Do it right now.
Thank you.
Thank you.

NARA Description

On April 25, 1973, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Stephen B. Bull, President Richard M. Nixon, and John D. Ehrlichman talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 11:06 am and 1:51 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 038-141 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 38-141

Date: April 25, 1973
Time: Unknown between 11:06 am and 1:51 pm
Location: White House Telephone

H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman talked with an unknown woman. The President and John D.
Ehlrichman can be heard in the background.

[See also Conversation No. 430-4E]

     Telephone call to Stephen B. Bull

Haldeman talked with Bull at an unknown time.

     Watergate
          -Request for March 10-23, 1973 tapes 

               -Packaging       

               -Machine

Also recorded on April 25, 1973

  • 430-001 10:51 AM · 5 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 10:51 am to 10:58 am.
  • 430-002 10:58 AM · 13 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 10:58 am and 11:06 am.
  • 430-003 10:58 AM · 1 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Manolo Sanchez met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 10:58 am and 11:06 am.
  • 038-138 11:06 AM · 32 sec — John D. Ehrlichman, White House operator, and President Richard M. Nixon talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 11:06 am and 1:51 pm.
  • 038-139 11:06 AM · 1 min — John D. Ehrlichman and Geoffrey C. Shepard talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 11:06 am and 1:51 pm.
  • 038-140 11:06 AM · 25 sec — H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, White House operator, President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, unknown person(s), and Stephen B. Bull talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 11:06 am and 1:51 pm.
  • 038-143 11:06 AM · 2 min — H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, White House operator, unknown person(s), John D. Ehrlichman, President Richard M. Nixon, and Stephen B. Bull talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 11:06 am and 1:51 pm.
  • 430-004 11:06 AM · 2 hr 33 min — President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, John D. Ehrlichman, White House operator, Geoffrey C. Shepard, unknown person(s), and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 11:06 am to 1:55 pm.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 038-141, April 25, 1973. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/038-141 (accessed September 18, 2026).