Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 53 › Conversation 053-001
Nixon, Agnew & Cabinet officers
Tuesday, April 13, 1971 · 8:04 AM–9:07 AM ET · Cabinet Room · 1 hr 12 min
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On April 13, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Vice President Spiro T. Agnew, and members of the Cabinet, including John N. Irwin, II, Paul A. Volcker, Melvin R. Laird, Richard G. Kleindeinst, Winton M. ("Red") Blount, Hollis M. Dole, Clifford M. Hardin, Maurice H. Stans, James D. Hodgson, John G. Veneman, George W. Romney, John A. Volpe, David M. Kennedy, George P. Shultz, Robert H. Finch, Donald H. Rumsfeld, George H. W. Bush, John D. Ehrlichman, Clark MacGregor, Ronald L. Ziegler, Raymond K. Price, Jr., Dr. Edward E. David, Jr., Peter M. Flanigan, John C. Whitaker, William E. Kriegsman, Arthur J. Sohmer, Robert J. Brown, Paul W. McCracken, Gen. George A. Lincoln, S. David Freeman, Milton Shaw, Dr. Glenn T. Seaborg, Caspar W. ("Cap") Weinberger, Chet Holifield, John O. Pastore, Howard H. Baker, Jr., and John B. Anderson, met in the Cabinet Room of the White House from 8:04 am to 9:07 am. The Cabinet Room taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 053-001 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 53-1
Date: April 13, 1971
Time: 8:04 am - 9:07 am
Location: Cabinet Room
The President met with Vice President Spiro T. Agnew, John N. Irwin, II, Paul A. Volcker,
Melvin R. Laird, Richard G. Kleindienst, Winton M. (“Red”) Blount, Hollis M. Dole, Clifford
M. Hardin, Maurice H. Stans, James D. Hodgson, John G. Veneman, George W. Romney, John
A. Volpe, David M. Kennedy, George P. Shultz, Robert H. Finch, Donald H. Rumsfeld, George
H. W. Bush, John D. Ehrlichman, Clark MacGregor, Ronald L. Ziegler, Raymond K. Price, Jr.,
Dr. Edward E. David, Jr., Peter M. Flanigan, John C. Whitaker, William E. Kriegsman, Arthur J.
Sohmer, Robert J. Brown, Paul W. McCracken, General George A. Lincoln, S. David Freeman,
Milton Shaw, Glenn T. Seaborg, Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger, Chet Holifield, John O.
Pastore, Howard H. Baker, Jr., and John B. Anderson
[Recording begins while the conversation is in progress]
Seaborg
Joint Economic Committee
-Study on energy needs
-Coal
-Pollution
-Environment
Nuclear power
-Laurance S. Rockefeller
-Seaborg
-Fear by public
-Southern California Edison Co.
-Potentialities
-President’s conversation with Holifield
-Breeder reactor
-Need for pollution-free energy source
-Pastore and Anderson
-Discussions in confidence
-Baker
-Cabinet
-Ronald W. Reagan
-Dwight D. Eisenhower’s “Atoms for Peace” program
-Success
-Aid to other countries
-Present situation
-Need for nuclear powerShow the rest of the log (214 more lines)
-Supplier of energy
-Number of plants
-Size
-Efficiency
-Federal Power Commission
-Future projections
-Uranium
-Enrichment
-Types of plants
-Location
-Reactors
-England and France
-Enriched uranium
-Fossil fuels
-Oil and gas use
-Atomic Energy Commission’s [AEC] licensing process
-Review
-Public hearings
-Safety
-Radioactivity
-Safety issue
-Radiation from nuclear power plants
-Levels
-Exposure
Breeder reactor
-Consumption of uranium
-Production of plutonium
-Fuel
-Costs
-Environmental impact
-Safety
-Problems
-Complexity
-Costs
-McCracken
-Savings
-Materials
-Sodium use
-Types
-Development
-Admiral Hyman G. Rickover
-Fast breeder
-Gas-cool version
-Liquid metal fast breeder
-Use in other countries
-Needs
-Demonstration projects
-Costs
-Federal funds
-Demonstration reactor
-Federal government’s role
-Utility companies
-Builder
-AEC’s role
-Funding
-Utility advisory committees
-John L. Gordon, Southern California Edison Co.
-Tom Caters [sp?], Commonwealth Edison
-Jack Wagner [sp?], Commonwealth Edison
-John M. Arthur, Duquesne Light
-Proposals
-Requirements
-Shaw
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Great Britain
[To listen to the segment (1m15s) declassified on 02/28/2002, please refer to RC# E-515.]
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Briefing on nuclear power
-Cabinet
-Joint Committee on Atomic Energy
-Melvin Price
Energy
-Crisis
-Consolidated Edison Co.
-Reduction of voltage
-Need for innovation
-Effect on industry
-Population
-Resources
-Research and development
Demonstration reactor
-Cost
-Tangible benefits
-Justification
-Seaborg
-Increase energy
-President’s role
-Impending energy shortage
-Need for support
-Federal government’s responsibility
-Approach
-Need for national commitment
-Eisenhower’s “Atoms for Peace” program
-Costs
-Compared with other programs
Energy
-Population growth
-Need for national policy
-Second energy source
Demonstration plants
-Present capabilities
-Timing
-Training of personnel
-Other nations’ programs
-Comparison with United States’ program
-Breeder reactor
-Prototype
-Commitment
-Light-water reactors
-Plutonium
Energy
-Suez crisis
-United States’ oil imports
-Atomic energy
-1961 report to Joint Atomic Energy Committee [JAEC]
-John F. Kennedy
-Saint Patrick
-Need for national policy
-Seaborg
-Holifield
-Historical importance of nuclear energy
Nuclear energy
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Soviet Union
[To listen to the segment (1m17s) declassified on 02/28/2002, please refer to RC# E-515.]
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-Future
-Pastore and JAEC
-Baker
-Bipartisan support
-Green revolution
-Impact
-Energy revolution
-Fears in scientific community
-Rockefeller
-Significance
-Environmental impact
-Safety
-Effluent
-Major accident
-JAEC opinion
-Fusion
-Safety
-Geological accident
-Pollution of atmosphere
-Record
-Demonstration plant
-Experience in Massachusetts
-Opponents of nuclear energy
-Safety
-Discharge of cooling water
-Illinois plant experience
-Solutions
-Breeder reactor
-Scientists
-Opinion
-Fusion
-Fusion
-Pace of development
-Location of breeder reactor
-Baker
-Holifield
-Criteria
-Cost
-Competitive to fossil fuel
-Breeder
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Middle East
[To listen to the segment (1m35s) declassified on 02/28/2002, please refer to RC# E-515.]
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-Desalinization
-Potential development
-Future
-Southern California
-Breeder reactor
-Possible spinoffs
-Desalinization
-Recycling of resources
-Gasification of coal
-Budget considerations
-JAEC
[Laughter]
[General conversation/Unintelligible]
The President, et al. left at 9:07 amTranscript (AI-generated)
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Cite this conversation
Conversation 053-001, April 13, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives (NAID 647841915). Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/053-001 (accessed November 5, 2026).