Conversation: 103-007
Prev: 103-005 Next: 103-009Start Date: 27-Jun-1972 10:08 AM
End Date: 27-Jun-1972 11:28 AM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bennett, Wallace F.; Curtis, Carl T.; Miller, Jack R.; Jordan, Leonard B. ("Len"); Fannin, Paul J.; Hansen, Clifford P.; Griffin, Robert P.; Shultz, George P.; Ehrlichman, John D.; Evans, John F., Jr.; MacGregor, Clark; Korologos, Thomas C.; Ziegler, Ronald L.; Falk, James H.;Recording Device: Cabinet Room
NARA Description:
On June 27, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and the Republican members of the Senate Finance Committee, including Wallace F. Bennett, Carl T. Curtis, Jack R. Miller, Leonard B. ("Len") Jordan, Paul J. Fannin, Clifford P. Hansen, Robert P. Griffin, George P. Shultz, John D. Ehrlichman, John F. Evans, Jr., Clark MacGregor, Thomas C. Korologos, Ronald L. Ziegler, and James H. Falk, met in the Cabinet Room of the White House at an unknown time between 10:08 am and 11:28 am. The Cabinet Room taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 103-007 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 103-7
Date: June 27, 1972
Time: Unknown after 10:08 am until 11:28 am
Location: Cabinet Room
The President met with Wallace F. Bennett, Carl T. Curtis, Jack R. Miller, Leonard B. (“Len”)
Jordan, Paul J. Fannin, Clifford P. Hansen, Robert P. Griffin, George P. Shultz, John D.
Ehrlichman, John F. Evans, Jr., Clark MacGregor, Thomas C. Korologos, Ronald L. Ziegler, and
James H. Falk
[Recording begins while the conversation is in progress]
Welfare reform
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/08)
-Post-convention meeting
-Cost estimates
-Legislative schedule
-Debt ceiling extension
-Social Security
-Revenue sharing
-Legislative maneuvers
-House Resolution [HR] 1
-Executive session
-Aid to Families with Dependent Children [AFDC]
-Revenue sharing
-Charles H. Percy
-Proposal
-Chairman Russell B. Long
-Abraham A. Ribicoff
-Long
-Democrat votes
-Bennett
-Long
-Ribicoff
-Elliot L. Richardson
-Long
-Number of votes
-Ribicoff position
-George S. McGovern
-Position on welfare
-Financing
-Administration’s position on HR 1
-Opponents’ views
-Ribicoff’s proposals
-Percy
-Long’s amendments
-Reaction to Ribicoff’s proposals
-Liberals
-Objections to bill
-Ribicoff
-Regional cost of living variations
-Department of Health, Education, and Welfare [HEW]
-New York City
-Alabama
-Griffin
-Detroit
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/08)
-California
-Illinois
-New York
-Alabama
-Miller
-New York City
-Cost of living differential
-New York
-Alabama
-Ribicoff supporters
-Workfare
-Long
-Vote count
-Debate
-Length
-Workfare
-Republican Senators
-Revenue sharing
-Long
-Ribicoff
-Welfare reform
-Popularity
-Social Security
-Debt limit
-Veto possibility
-HR 1
-Difficulties
-Family assistance program
-Welfare Rights Organization
-Ribicoff
-McGovern
-Ribicoff
-Program
-McGovern
-Program
-Costs
-Number on welfare
-Finance Committee
-Program
-Barbara Myers
-Estimate of costs
-Family assistance plan
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/08)
-Political popularity
-President’s views on welfare
-New York
-Number on welfare
-HR 1
-Alternatives
-Ribicoff
-Proposals
-Governors’ positions
-Federal programs
-Abuses
-Shultz
-Private pension program
-Social services
-Republicans’ program
-California
-Illinois
-New York
-Costs
-Curtis
-Social workers
-Block grants to states
-Timing for legislation
-Election year
-Social Security
-Problems
-Tax reform
-Welfare reform
-Ribicoff
-Committee recommendations
-HEW
-Ribicoff
-Long
-Administration’s position
-Senate Finance Committee
-Social Security
-Debt ceiling
-Social Security
-Veto power
-Veto of bills
-Social Security
-John W. Byrnes
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/08)
-House of Representatives
-Long
-Shultz
-Problem
-Water bill
-Veto
-Costs
-Environmentalists
-Budget concern
-HR 1
-Opposition
-Puerto Rico
-Welfare recipients
-Eligibility
-Governor Luis A. Ferre
-Opposition
-Curtis
-Guaranteed annual income
-John James Williams
-Social Security
-Increases
-Frank F. Church amendment
-HEW Advisory Committee
-Environmentalists
-Peter Gropper [sp?]
-Impact on economy
-Doorman in New York City
-Michael J. (“Mike”) Mansfield
-William O. Douglas
HR 1
-Popularity
-Veto possibility
-Congressional support
-Social Security
-Political impact
-Ribicoff
Timing for welfare legislation
-Costs
-Filibuster
-Revenue sharing
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/08)
-Long
-Mansfield
-Long
-Support for workfare
Minimum wage
-Republican bill
-Numbers of laws
Welfare reform
-Filibuster
-Ribicoff
-Chairman of Finance Committee
-Griffin
-Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger
-Detroit
-Purchase of buses
-Possibility for pilot projects
-HEW
-HR 1
-Food stamps
-Program
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Uruguay
[To listen to the segment (1m35s) declassified on 02/28/2002, please refer to RC# E-598.]
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Social Security
-Church
-Long
-Attitude
Revenue sharing
-Action of Finance Committee
-Nelson A. Rockefeller
-Richard B. Ogilvie
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/08)
Debt ceiling
-Wilbur D. Mills
-House rules
-Opposition to increase
-Church
-Byrnes
-Long
-Hearings
Social Security
-Church
-Robert M. Ball
-Long
Jordan
-Work in Senate
Debt ceiling
-Payroll savings
-Bill payments
-Debt ceiling
-Uses
-Extension
Gordon L. Allott
Robert C. Byrd
McGovern
-Welfare program
-President’s counter-proposals
-Number on welfare rolls
Gift presentations
-Cuff links
-Pins
-Finance Committee
-Long
John V. Tunney amendment
-Brazil
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/08)
-Vote
Attorney General
-Administration action
-William W. Milligan
-Roth decision
The President, et al. left at 11:28 am