Nixon White House Tapes ›Tape 104 › Conversation 104-005

White House tour group on Cabinet Room and White House tours

Saturday, July 1, 1972 · 10:40 AM–10:16 AM ET · Cabinet Room

ParticipantsWhite House tour groupConversation104-005 onTape 104StartSaturday, July 1, 1972 at 10:40 AMEndFriday, July 21, 1972 at 10:16 AMRecording deviceCabinet RoomSourceNixon Library record for 104-005 ↗

AI Summary

An unidentified tour group explores the historical and architectural features of the White House Cabinet Room. The discussion focuses on the room's woodwork and the specific seating protocol for Cabinet members based on the seniority of their respective departments. Participants examine the placement of the Secretary of State and Secretary of the Treasury in relation to the President and Vice President.

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Transcript (AI-generated)

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9:05State and Treasury are the two of the oldest, so they're the closest.
9:10It's like housing and urban development.
9:14Well, it's alternate.
9:16For instance, the Secretary of State is at the President's right, and then the Secretary of Treasury being the next oldest is at the Vice President's right.
9:24I believe it's at the President's right.
9:31Here, and it looks across at the...

NARA Description

a White House tour group met in the Cabinet Room of the White House on an unknown date, sometime between 10:40 am on July 1, 1972 and 10:16 am on July 21, 1972. The Cabinet Room taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 104-005 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 104-5

Date: Unknown between July 1 and July 21, 1972
Time: Unknown between 10:40 am, July 1 and 10:16 am, July 21, 1972
Location: Cabinet Room

Unknown people [tour group] met

     Interior woodwork

     Cabinet Room
          -Seating arrangements
          -Portraits
          -Woodwork

           -Seating
                 -Scheme
                 -Chairs

The tour group left at an unknown time before 10:16 am, July 21, 1972

Also recorded on July 1, 1972

  • 104-001 10:40 AM — Unknown person(s) met in the Cabinet Room of the White House on an unknown date, sometime between 10:40 am on July 1, 1972 and 10:16 am on July 21, 1972.
  • 104-002 10:40 AM — a White House tour group met in the Cabinet Room of the White House on an unknown date, sometime between 10:40 am on July 1, 1972 and 10:16 am on July 21, 1972.
  • 104-003 10:40 AM — a White House tour group met in the Cabinet Room of the White House on an unknown date, sometime between 10:40 am on July 1, 1972 and 10:16 am on July 21, 1972.
  • 104-004 10:40 AM — a White House tour group met in the Cabinet Room of the White House on an unknown date, sometime between 10:40 am on July 1, 1972 and 10:16 am on July 21, 1972.
  • 104-006 10:40 AM — Unknown person(s) met in the Cabinet Room of the White House on an unknown date, sometime between 10:40 am on July 1, 1972 and 10:16 am on July 21, 1972.
  • 104-007 10:40 AM — a White House tour group met in the Cabinet Room of the White House on an unknown date, sometime between 10:40 am on July 1, 1972 and 10:16 am on July 21, 1972.
  • 104-014 10:40 AM — a White House tour group met in the Cabinet Room of the White House on an unknown date, sometime between 10:40 am on July 1, 1972 and 10:16 am on July 21, 1972.
  • 026-033 11:00 AM · 6 min — President Richard M. Nixon and U. Alexis Johnson talked on the telephone from 11:00 am to 11:12 am.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 104-005, July 1, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/104-005 (accessed September 18, 2026).