Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 164 › Conversation 164-055

Nixon phone call with Ziegler on Watergate and John W. Dean III

Monday, April 30, 1973 · 5:50 PM–5:51 PM ET · Camp David Study Table · 1 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.Conversation164-055 on Tape 164StartMonday, April 30, 1973 at 5:50 PMEndMonday, April 30, 1973 at 5:51 PMRecording deviceCamp David Study TableSourceNixon Library record for 164-055 ↗

President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler discuss the political fallout of the Watergate scandal and the emerging legislative reaction on Capitol Hill. Ziegler reports on positive outreach efforts with Senator James O. Eastland and confirms there have been no new developments regarding John W. Dean III, whom the President dismissively labels as a concern only until his future intentions are clear. The exchange concludes with Nixon requesting verification of the date of his most recent press conference.

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Yeah.
Mr. Ziegler.
Yes, sir.
Hello, Ron.
Anything new I should know?
No, I think the developments are about the same as we mentioned before.
The reaction from the hill is a constructive step.
And I talked to Elliot.
He said that he had a good session with Eastland today.
The tone here is one of pulling together, I think.
Okay.
Nothing more from Dean.
No, no, nothing at all.
I think he's in good shape.
I mean, in terms of...
In good shape until he knows what the hell he's going to do.
Well.
The hell with him.
Right, absolutely.
The hell with him.
Okay.
When was the last time I met the press?
You know, would you check that and let me know?
Yes, sir.
I'll have to look at the calendar.
You want to call me back?
Yes, sir.
Right.

On April 30, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler talked on the telephone at Camp David from 5:50 pm to 5:51 pm. The Camp David Study Table taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 164-055 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 164-55

Date: April 30, 1973
Time: 5:50 pm - 5:51 pm
Location: Camp David Study Table

The President talked with Ronald L. Ziegler.

     Congressional reaction

     Ziegler’s conversation with Elliot L. Richardson
           -James O. Eastland
           -Support for President

     Watergate
          -John W. Dean, III
                -Dean’s strategy

     President’s previous press conference
  • 164-052 4:20 PM · 44 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Camp David operator talked on the telephone at Camp David at 4:20 pm.
  • 164-054 5:49 PM · 32 sec — Camp David operator and President Richard M. Nixon talked on the telephone at Camp David at 5:49 pm.
  • 164-056 5:52 PM · 20 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Rose Mary Woods talked on the telephone at Camp David from 5:52 pm to 5:53 pm.
  • 164-057 5:54 PM · 24 sec — Ronald L. Ziegler and President Richard M. Nixon talked on the telephone at Camp David from 5:54 pm to 5:55 pm.
  • 164-058 6:04 PM · 13 sec — Rose Mary Woods and President Richard M. Nixon talked on the telephone at Camp David from 6:04 pm to 6:05 pm.
  • 164-059 6:11 PM · 13 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Camp David operator talked on the telephone at Camp David at 6:11 pm.
  • 164-060 6:11 PM · 12 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Camp David operator talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 6:11 pm and 6:50 pm.
  • 164-061 6:50 PM · 15 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull talked on the telephone at Camp David from 6:50 pm to 6:51 pm.

Conversation 164-055, April 30, 1973. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/164-055 (accessed October 12, 2026).