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Nixon phone call with an unidentified caller on Busing

Thursday, June 8, 1972 · 11:25 AM–12:31 PM ET · Camp David Hard Wire · 1 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); [Unknown person(s)]Conversation193-016 on Tape 193 (tape position 02:21:42–02:24:49)StartThursday, June 8, 1972 at 11:25 AMEndThursday, June 8, 1972 at 12:31 PMRecording deviceCamp David Hard WireSourceNixon Library record for 193-016 ↗

President Nixon and an unidentified advisor discuss the political ramifications of the Higher Education Act, specifically focusing on its inadequate approach to the busing issue. Nixon expresses strong disapproval of the legislation, labeling it a "monstrosity," and considers vetoing it to challenge liberal leaders. The discussion concludes with a directive to ensure the administration's public messaging on the bill is sufficiently firm, and Nixon requests a meeting with H.R. Haldeman.

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On June 8, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 11:25 am and 12:31 pm. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 193-016 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 193-16

Date: June 8, 1972
Time: Unknown between 11:25 am and 12:31 pm
Location: Camp David Hard Wire

The President met with an unknown man.

     Weather

The unknown man left.
  • 193-014 10:36 AM · 16 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 10:36 am to 11:25 am.
  • 133-010 10:51 AM · 6 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Camp David operator talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 10:51 am and 10:56 am.
  • 193-013 10:51 AM · 14 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Camp David operator met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 10:51 am and 10:56 am.
  • 133-011 10:56 AM · 29 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson talked on the telephone at Camp David from 10:56 am to 11:25 am.
  • 133-012 11:25 AM · 34 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Camp David operator talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 11:25 am and 12:30 pm.
  • 133-013 11:25 AM · 9 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Camp David operator talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 11:25 am and 12:31 pm.
  • 193-015 11:25 AM · 41 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Camp David operator met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 11:25 am and 12:31 pm.
  • 193-017 11:25 AM · 51 min — President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, and Camp David operator met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 11:25 am and 12:31 pm.

Conversation 193-016, June 8, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/193-016 (accessed October 8, 2026).