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Conversation 193-016

TapeTape 193StartThursday, June 8, 1972 at 11:25 AMEndThursday, June 8, 1972 at 12:31 PMTape start time02:21:42Tape end time02:24:49ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  [Unknown person(s)]Recording deviceCamp David Hard Wire
AI Summary

President Nixon and an unidentified advisor discuss the political ramifications of the Higher Education Act, specifically focusing on its inadequate approach to the busing issue. Nixon expresses strong disapproval of the legislation, labeling it a "monstrosity," and considers vetoing it to challenge liberal leaders. The discussion concludes with a directive to ensure the administration's public messaging on the bill is sufficiently firm, and Nixon requests a meeting with H.R. Haldeman.

BusingHigher Education ActVeto strategyPublic relationsLegislative affairs
AudioNARA Description

On June 8, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 11:25 am and 12:31 pm. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 193-016 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 193-16

Date: June 8, 1972
Time: Unknown between 11:25 am and 12:31 pm
Location: Camp David Hard Wire

The President met with an unknown man.

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The unknown man left.
Transcript (AI-Generated)

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Getting back to this busing thing, you mean that these solely amendments that Congress puts in, that Congress is going to claim it has handled the busing issue now?
The message that we signed has got to say that it's not so good.
God, I mean, this is a horrible bill.
I mean, the whole higher education thing is a mess anyway.
It's monstrosity.
Well, I may still be to it.
Pass it around, and it'll scare the hell out of some of the left-leaders and the liberals that I just against the bill for other reasons.
Yeah.
Yeah, I know.
The right message on that part of it was just sort of like, okay.
Yeah.
So we don't have it written in too soft language.
Okay.
Would you ask Mr. Haldeman to come over to my advancement, please?
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