Conversation 195-013

TapeTape 195StartThursday, June 29, 1972 at 1:28 PMEndThursday, June 29, 1972 at 1:33 PMTape start time01:04:03Tape end time01:04:26ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); [Unknown person(s)]Recording deviceCamp David Hard Wire

AI Summary

President Nixon consulted with an unidentified individual regarding the statistical impact of proposed welfare reform legislation. The discussion focused on contrasting the projected enrollment numbers of the Rybakov proposals against the administration's reform bill, specifically highlighting concerns that the latter would result in an excessively high number of welfare recipients. Nixon ultimately dismissed the granular details of the projections once he grasped the comparative magnitude of the expansion, signaling his disapproval of the current reform bill's scale.

Welfare reformSocial policyLegislative analysisRybakov proposalsGovernment spending

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NARA Description

On June 29, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 1:28 pm and 1:33 pm. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 195-013 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 195-13

Date: June 29, 1972
Time: Unknown between 1:28 and 1:33 pm
Location: Camp David Hard Wire

The President met with an unknown person.

     Memorandum for the President
        -Patrick J. Buchanan

The unknown person left at an unknown time before 1:33 pm.

Transcript (AI-Generated)

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It's been marked up.

I don't know if we can.

I don't know where we are right now.

Hello, John.

With regard to your suggestions with regard to people on the welfare rolls, it's come down in a way that is not too effective.

It says the Rybakov proposals would total 35 million people on the rolls, and the reform bill would total 97 million.

My interest really isn't how many they would add.

So is it basically, this is, that's the total, so you'd say they would 23 million more

And the other would be 75 million more.

Either way, okay, I get the point.

And that's the way it operates.

So the line at Rivercroft would have been 80 million.

That's too high.

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