On June 29, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and John D. Ehrlichman met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 1:33 pm to 1:43 pm. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 195-014 of the White House Tapes.
Transcript (AI-Generated)This transcript was generated automatically by AI and has not been reviewed for accuracy. Do not cite this transcript as authoritative. Consult the Finding Aid above for verified information.
I don't think percentages mean a hell of a lot to people.
I think they like to hear, just think of, they like to think of individuals, just think, 50 million people are going to be put in the welfare rolls.
What a hell of a note, you know.
Rather than the number of, that we will be increased by 33 and a third percent.
See, that's the stuff Henry always puts in, but it never, it doesn't mean much to people.
You say it cripples the number of people in the welfare role and or 23 million in the NFL.
I got it fine.
I got it fine.
The... What else did you have to suggest?
Oh, nothing further on the Social Security thing.
It's about where it was, huh?
The answer that Buchanan has prepared, it reads, it still says that I'm not going to approve a 20% rise because it would be an increase in every word that values taxes.
Do we want to come down that hard?
Well, basically we shouldn't say that, should we?
I don't want to.
keep it open because i just might have to sign the damn thing i'll just say i will not approve any rise that is not financed i should point out however that if it's too high it's going to wipe out the gains and the tax increases oh i see i'm sorry
Okay.
So, the trucking on the side is, uh, uh, uh...
Oh, gun control.
He says there's a clear discrepancy between what Treachery gave us on this and what Pearshot gave us.
Of course, he's for it.
He's not for it.
They've got to be for gun control, John.
I mean, I don't mean that you've got to have gun control.
He began and said this is primarily a matter for state and local, not federal control.
It never worked.
The situation is different than I did.
But don't you think we just ought to say that a bill which deals with the Saturday night specials is of great importance and so forth.
It's a matter of, they are a lot more important.
It's a matter of, I feel we ought to have one.
Don't you think so?
Did the opinion apply to everything?
I'll have it checked here.
The same problem is there that I am just curious as to what it is.
I guess if the Supreme Court does it, we have to...
There are four appointees to Senate, and if the Supreme Court does it, we have to accept it, but... What's your opinion?
Don't you think you have to accept it?
I think we should.
Yeah.
I don't think they're going to.
I think I'm just not going to comment on that because I haven't had a chance to study the decision.
Yeah.
The House added $100 million to our $100 million supplemental.
Yeah.
Scott, the Senator's added $200 million.
I'm not worried about that.
He would.
Well, would Broomfield handle Detroit?
Wait a minute, wait a minute.
I thought, I understand.
Does Broomfield go further than 803?
Well, it's already in there.
We've already signed it then.
Well, then what's this all about?
And so he's withdrawn it.
Oh, Christ.
Oh, I just have to say that I think we need the moratorium to stick with that.
Is that right?
That's right.
That's right.
Fine.
Fine.
Fine.
All right.
You're having a good time out there, I hope.
Yeah.
Good.
Great.
Great.
Yeah.