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Start Date: 24-Sep-1972 3:30 PM

End Date: 24-Sep-1972 4:50 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Camp David OperatorWoods, Rose Mary

Recording Device: Camp David Hard Wire

213-031.mp3

NARA Description:

On September 24, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Camp David operator, and Rose Mary Woods met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 3:30 pm to 4:50 pm. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 213-031 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 213-31

Date: September 24, 1972
Time: 3:30 pm - 4:50 pm
Location: Camp David Hard Wire

The President met with H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.


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            Foreign economic policies
                -Statement by the President for the International
                Monetary Fund [IMF], September 25, 1972
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          Statement by the President for National Cancer Conference, September 28, 1972
               -Lee W. Huebner
                   -Type of job

          Statement for dedication of American Museum of Immigration
               -Dwight D. Eisenhower
               -Quote for the President
                   -Comparison to the President's visit to Laredo, Texas and statement made
                   by the President
                        -John D. Ehrlichman
               -Giving statements to the press

          Press
              -Giving lead stories to press by administration
                  -Interests of the press
              -Giving excerpts to press by administration
              -Huebner
              -The President's speech to IMF
                  -William L. Safire
                  -George P. Shultz’s forthcoming speech
                       -Lead story
                            -Reactions
                  -Press relations
                  -John B. Connally
                  -Significance
              -Ehrlichman
              -Ronald L. Ziegler
              -IMF speech by the President


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          Campaign tactics
             -San Francisco
             -Demonstrations
                 -Strategy of demonstrators
                 -George S. McGovern
                      -Press coverage of story
                 -Response by administration
                      -Secret Service
                      -Yippies
                      -Cooperation with San Francisco police
                           -Mayor [Joseph Alioto]
                      -David Packard
                      -Strategy
                           -Youth for Nixon
                               -Effect of appearance
             -Bay Area Rapid Transit [BART]
                 -Utilization by the President's campaign while in
                 California
                      -Effect for local area
             -Oakland
             -Demonstrators
                 -Los Angeles
                 -Type
                      -Compared to those in San Jose
                      -San Francisco
                      -Students
                      -Drug use
                 -Question of involvement by McGovern
                 -Texas
                      -Hispanics


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          Issues and public opinion
              -Earl L. Butz as an issue
                   -Poll results
              -Soviet wheat deal
                   -Poll results
              -Sale of wheat to the Soviet Union
                   -Effect on US farmers
                        -Poll results
              -Charges against grain exporters
                   -Inside information
                        -Poll results
              -Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI] investigation
                   -Poll results
                        -Effect on President
                        -Wording of question
              -Watergate issue and the President's involvement
                   -Poll results
                        -McGovern
              -Release of telephone poll results to public


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          Issues and public opinion
              -Issue questions and their importance
                   -Vietnam War policy
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    -Poll results
         -Casualties
         -Effect
              -Texas, White House
-Economics
-Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
    -Comparisons to the President and earlier polling
-The President's policies
    -Vietnam War
    -Inflation
    -Unemployment
    -Taxes
    -National defense
    -Crime
    -Drugs
    -Racial problems
         -Archie Bunker
    -Health care
    -Busing
-McGovern and his position on various issues
    -Vietnam
    -Inflation
    -Unemployment
    -Taxes
    -National defense
    -Crime
    -Drugs
    -Crime
         -Richard G. Kleindienst
    -Racial problems
    -Health care
    -Busing
         -Results
         -Comparison to the results for the President
-Polling of greatest concern of individuals
    -Economics
         -Inflation, unemployment, taxes
              -Results
-Reformation of the tax structure
    -The President compared with McGovern
    -Results
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                    -Amnesty issue
                         -Results
                         -Unconditional amnesty issue with various
                         stipulations
                              -Results
                    -Dodging the draft
                         -The President's position
                              -Results
                         -McGovern's position
                              -Results
                -John N. Mitchell's analysis of campaign
                    -The President compared with McGovern
                    -Polls
                         -Prediction on the outcome of the 1972 election
                         -Thomas F. Eagleton's replacement by R. Sargent Shriver on
                         McGovern ticket
                              -Results
                         -Watergate issue
                              -Idea of awareness
                                   -Results
                              -Responsibility for break-in
                                   -Results
                              -Knowledge of the President on break-in
                                   -Results
                              -Outcome of voting results because of the issue

            The break-in of Dr. John C. Lungren's office
                -Number of break-ins
                      -Suggestions by police in relation to the publicity
                -FBI files
                      -Fingerprints of person who broke in
                          -John J. (“Jack”) Caulfield
            -Idea of inside job
            -Lungren's office
                -Break-ins
            -Haldeman's upcoming conversation with the FBI

The President talked with the Camp David operator at an unknown time between 3:30 pm and
4:46 pm.

[Conversation no. 213-31A]
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[See Conversation no. 154-12]

[End of telephone conversation]

             Watergate break-in
                -Maurice H. Stans

The President talked with Rose Mary Woods between 4:46 pm and 4:47 pm.

[Conversation no. 213-31B]

[See Conversation no. 154-13; one item has been withdrawn from the conversation]

[End of telephone conversation]


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             Campaign tactics
                -The President's campaign
                    -Visit to California
                         -Demonstrators and the type of demonstrations
                              -Los Angeles
                              -San Francisco

             The President's schedule

The President and Haldeman left at 4:50 pm.
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