On October 4, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 6:23 pm to 6:45 pm. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 215-006 of the White House Tapes.
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Don't worry about that.
Yeah.
What the hell did that not hit you?
That's what it is.
Yeah.
But then they loaded down the Stevenson thing.
Oh, yes.
I told her.
That's what I told her.
I said, for Christ's sake.
But he knows that.
He wanted to go.
We talked about this morning.
We give an inch on welfare.
We're dead.
People are against what we've already offered.
That's why we don't talk about it much.
So...
that and try to hang those other titles to the Korean floor.
Well, or maybe just have this, I don't know, I don't know.
Well, the whole thing will be tangled up with Congress.
Unless they want to give us a tough one to veto.
Well, we're going to veto the Social Security crap on the basis of increased payroll taxes.
Before, didn't Roosevelt do it?
Huh?
Did anybody, did any of the press feel about that?
The procedure.
Right.
That's great, that's great.
Well, of course, as you know, this is purely a...
and so you've got to take a big risk but the whole point is they say hiding and not hiding about some disgusting issues I say now which one do you want on my position he says I'm against amnesty I'm against marijuana I'm against abortion I'm against busing I mean my position is very clear I said what is it do you have any questions about I'm against interactions I'm for government reorganizations I'm for my health bill I've said it all out in 1970 not just what particular one the
But you think that's the answer?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Of course, we're going to have some additional.
But, yeah.
I particularly think they're turned off with the rally.
I think the rally with the shouting and the hoopla and the screaming and everything just turns people off.
Paul?
Probably.
Anyway.
Is that right?
I don't know.
But we didn't lose just two on that question.
Christy flew us 26.
It would have been a hell of a loss on that.
He might have been against it.
Well, it's not that important.
The point is, he's a goddamn permissive bastard.
And, uh, don't you agree?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Uh,
We've had a very interesting check in the Southern California area.
And believe me, I mean, that's one of these things that's rolling in Orange County, Los Angeles today.
It's just rolling like hell out there for us.
I mean, this guy is not, I mean, they talk about California.
Don't worry about it.
But when it's going like that in Orange and Los Angeles counties, when you go big there, you can't lose.
You're going to win the state easily.
Yeah, I'm here.
But, you know, that's very interesting.
And this whole business of the hiding and so forth, they're pressing.
But I agree.
It's going to just come up.
I'm going to do this little silly office conference tomorrow.
It doesn't mean a goddamn thing.
I mean, they don't need to, you know, I go in there and try.
Wasn't that too bad once and once in a while?
Yeah.
A few points.
Watergate and the grain deal and all that bullshit.
His new, his peace plan for Vietnam, what in the name of God it could lead, I don't know.
But let him go.
I just hope to God he gets something so that we can say he would impose a communist government and we'll murder him.
With all force.
Don't you agree?
That great, great liberal?
Really?
What's he saying?
Why is he doing that?
The mood is different, John.
Isn't that great?
Great, great.
We lost him, Mr. Bolts, truly.
that incidentally, you don't know the Californians, but the Comstock Club is a group of Sacramento lobbyists, business people, and the rest, where basically a gubernatorial candidate has got to have some work.
You know, they're a bunch of whores.
It's like going to the burning tree or something, and they've got to be, you know, and when he had that question,
to all the surrogates.
Well, it's good enough to be us.
I just... Also, gutter politics.
That's right.
Now the thing to do is...
I don't know if anybody's editorialized about the corrupt.
Anybody said it was too far?
Yeah.
That's right.
That's right.
Get the letter writers to all write it and say, great, go ahead, pour it to us.
You do that, get about 30, 40 letters.
All right.
I got a good advice.
You've got to pour it on this son of a bitch.
Okay.
Right.
Right.
Sure.
Best thing we've done.
If you do have a couple of wires, three or four or something,
to do it.
Well, anyway, I'll read your memorandum and we'll take this and on.
Okay.