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effort.

And the ones who do care enough and know enough know the wrong things.

And you've got to be on record as having done that with him before we move on anything else.

To consult with him on his views on people for any of the other things before we

You don't want him to feel that we locked everything up without his input.

Being on call, you know, the White House type thing, that is a problem for him.

That Donald Trump made you feel he was too old or something.

Oh, hell no.

He's an oldie guy.

He's smart as hell.

That's right.

You've just got to understand.

On qualifications, you can't, you know, he's head chokers about it.

You've got to get him to play this game.

Put him in.

You've got to give him a charge.

Change.

Cut it down.

IRS, it's changing.

Change the attitude.

Start screwing the bad guys instead of the good guys for a change.

Start moving in on these tax exempt foundations and start some actions on some of this stuff.

Mark that down.

You've got to change it.

I really, Buchanan has written some stuff on the foundation, but I want something done on the foundation.

Well, that's one of the things Buchanan wants to do.

I see Buchanan as he's laid out a role for himself that I think is a very good one, which is not as communications director.

I think that's a mistake because Pence's judgment is so terrible that he'd go out.

As communication director, he would go out and, well, see, he hasn't had,

to live with the responsibility of his judges.

He's had the luxury of being able to lob the bombs into the manager without worrying about going off.

As a matter of fact, I would never do this to him.

You can go back and read .

He killed him.

And what?

In his perspective, or marriage comments, you know, this loss of the election, or this or that.

That is not stable.

But stability is not necessarily an asset in all people either.

his instability is one of his strengths, is one of his assets, because he, he clairs into these areas where he says insides have supply to stable people, don't go into them.

Exactly, exactly.

He's got the great insides.

Like Moynihan, only on the other side.

And Pat, I think you push Pat into a, a Moynihan-esque type of role, right?

Without, without a bureaucracy like Moynihan had, but just, just a good...

You use him for thinking.

You use his input.

You use his analysis.

You use his critiquing.

He's a hell of a guy to try to tear things up and give him enough of a staff.

And then let him gin up this effort on the business.

What do we do with the foundation?

What do we do there?

I mean, you can tack on it.

They start investigations on the abuse of their tax-exempt privileges and status.

Well, I'm gonna go, of course, we've got to go after the common cause.

Common cause?

The Ford Foundation's worse because Ford Foundation followed my common cause.

That's right.

Where the money is.

I'll tell you what, I ripped in there.

You know how we get scared when they say they're going to investigate the Watergate?

Well, let them sit around like we did for months on end on IT&T and the Watergate.

Let them and their goddamn PR people and their lawyers sit around in their boardrooms.

That's why you go after Mrs. Graham and all those people on their tax returns.

Right down the line.

Just forget how much that worries people when they start getting into all that stuff.

Just let them be worried.

People are going to be with us on that.

We can take our case to the people.

We can make the case.

That's Buchanan's point.

The tax exemption of foundations is taking money away from the taxpayer.

How soon do we see Hague?

I don't know.

Henry wonders whether when you want him to come up.

Hague is now scheduled to arrive at Andrews at 2.30.

And not...

I don't know whether you want him up an hour ahead.

He has a luncheon guest, and if you want him here an hour ahead, you'll have to hold up Hague's arrival.

No, just come with Hague.

We're at the point where I think we've got to

sit down with you and go over the the basic plot then where it leads see whether we're on if you're in a basic agreement then we've got implementation on part and we've got direction established under us if you're in agreement with that then this thing gets to an organization and all that you're going to have to listen to that at some point you're not going to be interested in it I will be interested in it

Well, it's the mechanics of organization that we show.

Actually, they're damn important because they're going to send up monumental signals.

If we do this right.

And that's what, they're important from that viewpoint.

They're important politically and public relations-wise, maybe even more than substantively.

Substantively, they're damn important also.

Before you get into that,

Maybe you want to, because you ought to get into it with John and me, I think.

And then we're going to get Ash on.

I'm going to get Ash doing the finishing stuff on it.

I don't know if that would be this morning.

I think we're going to have a problem with Ash on OMB.

You won't want to take it?

I don't think so, but I think you will.

If we tell him we want him to take it, get it set up and all that, then

get people in and then get out of it, and then you want to move it into international economics somewhere, which is what he really wants to get into.

Thank you.

You have a job over there in Europe.

No, Ash has got a different concept.

I think what Ash would like to be is a staff guy under the Secretary of the Treasury or whoever is the chief economic man for the International Corporation.

Then he has this concept, which he will want to sell to you, and which...

You may think it's ridiculous, or you may think it makes a lot of sense.

I don't know which it is.

But he's convinced that you've got to, on the international economic area, you need an ad hoc, non-formal, but very potent international economic non-operational group

that's outside of GAAP, that's outside of the European community, and he thinks the way you have to do it is that all the heads of state of the major economic powers have to say simultaneously that they are taking a personal interest in the international economic community and create an ad hoc summit organization consisting of the personal representative of each head of government

who have no power, but who deal with overall economic peacekeeping and are charged with developing the recommendations together to go back to their governments of the rules of international economic warfare, just like the Geneva Conferences and things that develop the rules of international military warfare.

And I think, obviously, he sees himself as being a pure guide to that summit organization.

He sees it as an informal thing where you, and not with big stamps and all that.

It's where 10 guys, however many economic nations there are, sit down and work these things out over a period of time.

He says nobody's really looked at the whole question amongst the nations of how to deal with the economic situation where

Henry's political judgment of that.

Absolutely not.

But you cannot take Henry's judgment on the other field.

He's not good at that.

The thing we're talking about and how we put this together, I think, lays out the groundwork for that.

Henry's in full agreement with it.

I think it does.

Maybe Ash is worth more than Henry.

I don't know anything about that.

I don't know whether it's important or not.

Ash thinks it is.

who commonly thinks it is, and Schultz thinks it is, and people who know about that.

That's a Flanagan problem.

You see, my concern on Flanagan is that he can't afford the confirmation.

He's not going to have, like, any bites on confirmation.

You know, they, that was in the international media.

He just put aside, well,

That's why we ought to look at this structure.

You may see some ways that some of this fits in.

I don't know.

My view would be to just thank him and let him go back, which he's ready to do.

He's a good man, frankly, if we didn't have the confirmation problem.

Stick him over and speak as the undersecretary for position time and so forth.

He's planning it.

I can't keep arguing the case, Steve.

Of all the people we've got planning it, who's the best guy to tear up the State Department?

Well, I'd put Carly G is right next to it.

But Carly G has to be programmed and he has to be backed up.

And I don't think Rush is the guy to do that, and that's not what you're putting Rush in there for.

You're putting him in the... Well, the fight is what you're doing about something planning it on the board.

It's a whole bunch of money, but...

I must say, I would not be too damn concerned about his method of operation.

What about that?

If you want to get the blame and credit for it, you need special assistance to the president for reorganization of the State Department.

You need staff that move him physically over to State and have him direct the reorganization of the State Department at White House direction.

But Carlucci is the guy doing it all.

You need to pull the thing right onto you every single night of your life.

That's right.

It's got to be over there, and then you've got to take it out there.

Okay.

Undersecretary of State, you see we're very close to it.

Henry would buy that if it's for the organization.

He'd have a problem with policy.

If he says he would, he would.

That'd be cool over there.

That's...

It's less likely to be taken in by us than anybody from outside.

It has to be an insider.

Somebody that knows that.

Somebody we've worked with.

You'd have to do it.

You'd have to bring him over once a week to the White House and give him another shot of vitamins and adrenaline.

I'm a bitch-type guy like Pete who doesn't... who is arrogant.

In some ways, he's beautifully suited to deal with them.

He's sort of their type of guy.

I mean, they can't one-up him on a social scale.

And they can't dazzle him with that kind of crap.

I mean, it just won't interest him.

I have to go for confirmation.

I will come back.

It would be a rush to take him on as... for administrative reorganization.

I don't think he's interested in the...

Of course, he's not so interested in that classic title.

He's interested in doing one hell of a job on it, and this is going to be a huge opportunity for him.

This is the problem in this town, and it's a real one, though, getting any of it, unless you think it's done without the title.

And it is a problem, I'm sure it is.

You know, the roses, speaking of the problems, from now on, obviously, we're temporarily going to do that one.

I want to get over that mail operation.

I said, Carson, it's our own making.

Well, you know, it's a funny thing to say.

I didn't know that it was an affair.

Her fellow accommodation was good or something like that.

There's a new one.

She isn't in the new villa because we were working there.

She should have a better villa than her I have.

It's just one of those personal things.

You know, you start to think how much we did for her when we had her.

She has a much bigger villa than we did.

No, she normally gets one of those little single villas.

We didn't have her, but we had nobody over.

I think her problem is...

Also, she must take Bob on one hell of a lot of whining around and all the bitchers.

Not much anymore.

You know what I mean?

We all get that.

That's a tough problem.

You've got to give her more to do.

Well, but then she bitches because, you know, she won't take it, for one thing.

I mean, Amy asked me, she said, I'm not a file clerk and I'm not a secretary of the staff.

And that was...

business and then she's not around because she stays in there and just comes and bangs it out.

I don't know how she can stand it.

I think you just gotta, you just gotta coast with it.

It's damn bad that you get the negative weeks back because what you can't do is to avoid it.

... ... ... ... ... ...

I don't think it's because people aren't pleased.

I agree with what you're saying.

Well, is it just like the President of the United States would?

It's interesting.

He is one of the three or four best known men in the world today.

He sure is.

I mean, after you and... And I don't know who else.

You and...

I'm better known than you.

Oh, much better known than you.

Well, Brayton has Joe in my eye.

And Indra Adanda, you're probably missing my ear.

I mean, we could come down below that.

Who the hell care about you now?

Billy Graham would be in heaven.

Thank you for what you're doing

Maybe we just do something different for a change.

Just let the public comment.

The problem is that you get the wrong public.

We've got to, I suppose you're correct, we need to do it that is representative of the country.

By invitation, I would have people come in for receptions at the White House over Christmas.

You see, inauguration period, the place is jammed.

You don't get to see anybody, but you could have huge receptions.

Run them right through the Christmas parade.

Constant entertainment.

We can do it in a way that you don't just get the Washington.

I don't want the Washington to be focused in.

If you just open the house, that's who comes in.

Well, the tourists come too.

If we can get the tourists, if we can work a way to do it, the tourists of those nine things that we have done are really spectacular.

And those are making the tourists cry.

And where we set up our representatives out in the country who are told they can

get invitations for local people who are coming to go to White House nights.

You do it so that you don't, so that you get people who are not from Washington, Maryland, or Virginia.

That's right, for special tours.

But rather for people that are down in Iowa and...

Right, right, right.

Or again.

In fact, we ought to send them to Alabama.

Well, maybe we get our labor people there.

I don't know, let's think in terms of maybe labor reception.

Labor reception, you get...

I just want to bend over backwards to be sure that the inaugural Christmas period is not simply for the old elite.

The questions of the elite, the Republican elite, you know what I mean?

The same old farts come true.

That we don't have our friends and relatives to accept that we can't have a good time.

It's probably a bad thing.

But I think you have to have a period where they're allowed to trudge through and show their kids the Christmas decorations and whatever it is to give them.

I want to have something where the kids are able to come.

In other words, if we're going to get a band county center, if we can't get the county center, then we can go over there for just kids.

at the E-Line Arena or some bad place with a big, hot band and the rest.

And come over and make that the thing.

And wear the kid's chair.

She might find me.

That might be done anyway.

One thing you could do.

I'd like to have something.

Something separate so that it just isn't the white tie fat cat bastards.

The night before the inaugural.

Instead of just having the inaugural concert with the Philadelphia Symphony, have that in one theater.

We don't have that at all.

Well, have that in one theater.

And have a youth, the young voters, you know, in the other theater, in the concert hall.

And you go to both.

You don't sit through the whole symphony.

You go and sit through the first half of the symphony, and you go over and greet the young voters and sit through a little bit of their stuff.

Have theirs start a little later.

Or have it start a little, yeah, start a group now.

And, but have a big party where they're all there, where they come in, the young voters, and the boys let them know.

Great sort of event.

It is a young voters event.

It's fantastic.

and then maybe the other hall have a country music concert or something like that that's a different group or that's the southern yeah and then we don't need to get any other that's very good maybe a combined country music and gospel singer type or something like that and well basically celebrities

are celebrity types, the country music.

The Carpenters, they're not country music.

No, they'd be the kids.

They're the TV writers trying to put them there.

The Carpenters.

The country music is the Johnny Cash crowd.

The kids go to that too.

Yeah.

But it's just kids there.

That's...

It's more over the army.

They have free concerts.

I think we should want free.

And the different flavors of America.

And what would you have the next time?

The Carpenters.

The ball, I don't know.

I'm not sure what you do.

I'm sure it'll work.

It could have outstanding energy.

What you want is, you go to the ball to be seen and to see the famous people.

And what you want to do is provide a thing where people can mingle around, move around, and see the famous people.

I'm not sure what they are yet.

Okay.

And I think you ought to get close enough to the sun, right?

You want to start those tomorrow, maybe?

Sure, sure.

How do you want to run a schedule here?

You and I just talked to Colson.

Just the two of us.

Excuse me.

You, are you going to talk to him a little bit?

I have.

You already have, so I know.

But I haven't told him what the decision is.

I think maybe I ought to.

Yeah, you ought to start to say it.

So that he isn't coming in thinking you're going to tell him you want him to be secretary of labor.

Secretary of labor is out.

But it won't take long.

I think I'll have a while before he sees you just to prepare, you know, get him up in the morning.

I don't know if he'll be back tomorrow.

Well, whatever day it is, don't have to come back.

We'll just stay the night of the day.

We'll stay back and see what happens.

What about Malik and some of the tough campaign people that you're going to keep?

Magruder's going to stay and do the Argyro anyway, right?

Is he a good man to do that?

Does he have the organization that's going to help him on that too?

No, Jeff's good for that.

The thing that we need to do there, he would be very good.

Okay.

Why do you put events on that?

Oh, sure.

Do that.

Oh, sure.

It was our best invention.

We never got it.

put this inaugural in our own way.

We don't have that assholes from Washington do it this time.

And that's to be the order to the government, right?

Don't you see my point?

Don't let that jackass committee from the District of Columbia, we didn't carry the District of Columbia, and we're going to put our young people in, our advanced men, know everything, and they'll work with the military aides, and we'll run this thing, this move.

Also, we've got to determine what about the enemy who's going to come

who are going to be the bands and that sort of thing.

That parade is very important planning, too.

Well, the important planning in terms, I'd like to get the guy that does a rose parade to one thing, but the important planning in terms of being schooled and sure that, not only personal, but let's get the bands and units, again, representing some of our new majority.

Maybe we have some people marching in Polish costumes, Italian costumes.

In other words, make it the people that made America.

Something like that.

Polish, Italian, Lithuanians, Cubans, et cetera.

See what I mean?

Have that kind of float rather than every son of a bitch in the state.

Why have the states?

No, but if you do it, you let the governors ride as a unit or something.

You just run through the states that way.

Instead of doing a state of pushing up to your house.

I think it's more a question of marching units.

Maybe let each state take a theme within the state.

In other words, the primary nationality group in the states that have those.

Let's get somebody on that, work on that immediately.

Some sort of a who's who would that be?

I don't know if they can think of that.

They can think of it as a creative environment.

No, well, what we had was, what we were going to do was have Chapin and the guys that have been doing, you know, the convention stuff, that kind of thing, but now we're going to, if we've got to move him out, we can still use some of those people.

Well, stay in the event, stay in the event.

I'd like to see the inaugural, so this is just the routine inaugural parade, don't you think so?

The Blacks have a ban on the ground.

His press plan for a long week.

What do I talk to him about, John?

Not any time.

Well, not quite ready.

Pretty close.

Talk to Coulson first.

Yeah.

Get Coulson tomorrow.

Malik, as a matter of fact, in order to save time, why don't you get Coulson Saturday afternoon?

I think what you could do is you could bring, have him come up on the same helicopter.

with Henry and Haig.

I'll run over that building then.

While I'm talking to Henry and Haig, you can do Colson.

You and Colson come over and talk with me.

Other people like the head, they follow the head of the November group, people like that.

They'll be invited to the inaugural and that sort of thing.

I should have a chance to pass over that.

on their own.

We've already wired them.

What do we do?

We just wire them to each state.

Congratulations.

Thank you very much.

It was a warm, personal wire.

I forgot exactly how it was worded.

The great contribution you made to thank all your people for it.

You're taking care of it.

This is a high-quality road.

I have to

I'd have her handle the sort of Ryan family business to be sure that that's solved and all that kind of stuff.

And she's got excellent ideas.

Well, I rather thought so, because he'll know a lot of people here in the country, and I think he could be a hell of a host for a lot of those things, too.

Let's get this commander to action.

They've been involved in the order of business and so forth.

Right.

As good as they do with the orders, they're not greedy.

They don't have the nudge that the Jackson puts on out there to have money.

Do they?

No.

Because Jackson's got his own business.

Lord Flair.

Oh, God.

Today was the election day.

Something said that.

I thought it was the fifth.

I know it is.

I remember it was the fifth.