Conversation 246-005

TapeTape 246StartWednesday, April 7, 1971 at 10:55 AMEndWednesday, April 7, 1971 at 12:15 PMTape start time00:08:12Tape end time01:29:54ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob");  Wood, Ken;  [Unknown person(s)];  Woods, Rose Mary;  Ehrlichman, John D.;  Ziegler, Ronald L.;  Bull, Stephen B.;  Shultz, George P.;  Kissinger, Henry A.Recording deviceOld Executive Office Building

On April 7, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Ken Wood, unknown person(s), Rose Mary Woods, John D. Ehrlichman, Ronald L. Ziegler, Stephen B. Bull, George P. Shultz, and Henry A. Kissinger met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 10:55 am to 12:15 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 246-005 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 246-005

Date: April 7, 1971
Time: 10:55 am - 12:15 am

Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman and Ken Wood

     Weather

Wood left at an unknown time before 10:59 am

     Sergeant Karl Taylor
          -Older son Karl (“Skipper”) Taylor, Jr.
          -Family

[Haldeman talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 10:55 am and 10:59
am]

[Conversation No. 246-5A]

     Congressional Medal of Honor
          -Sergeant Taylor
               -Sons “Skipper” and Kevin Taylor

     Taylor’s son

[End of telephone conversation]

     Lieutenant William L Calley, Jr.
           -Prosecutor, Captain Aubrey M. Daniel, III
                 -President’s possible conversation with John D. Ehrlichman
                 -Robert A. Taft, Jr.’s press conference April 7, 1971
                 -President’s responsibilities regarding final review
           -Stanley R. Resor
                 -Haldeman’s possible call to Melvin R. Laird
                 -Tenure in office
                 -Prosecutor
           -White House comments
                 -Ehrlichman
                 -Ronald L. Ziegler
                 -Ehrlichman
                 -New York Times, Washington Post

           -Prosecutor
                -Calley case
                -Review
                -President’s call to Ehrlichman’s secretary

     News stories
         -Ziegler
         -White House handling

[Rose Mary Woods talked with the President between 10:59 am and 11:00 am]

[Conversation No. 246-5B]

     President’s forthcoming speech April 7, 1971
           -Changes
           -Unknown man

[End of telephone conversation]

     Revenue sharing

[The President talked with Ehrlichman between 11:01 am and 11:07 am]

[Conversation No. 246-5C]

     Calley
           -Prosecutor’s letter
                 -President’s conversation with Haldeman
                       -Resor’s tenure in office
                       -Inaccuracies
           -Prosecutor
           -Robert Goralski
           -President’s review
           -Ziegler
                 -Background

Woods entered at 11:05 am

                 -Ziegler

                       -President’s review
                 -Robert B. Semple, Jr., Christian Science Monitor, Wall Street Journal
           -Press coverage
           -White House comments
                 -Ziegler
           -Ehrlichman’s possible briefing
                 -George Herman

[End of telephone conversation]

     President’s forthcoming Vietnam speech April 7, 1971
           -Changes
           -Distribution of copies
                 -Henry A. Kissinger
                 -Ziegler
           -Woods’ forthcoming conversation with Kissinger

Ziegler entered at 11:15 am

           -Changes

     Weather

Woods left at 11:16 am

     President’s forthcoming speech, April 7, 1971
           -Length
           -Text
                 -Kissinger
           -Distribution

     Ziegler’s forthcoming press briefing
           -President’s schedule
                 -William P. Rogers, Laird
                 -Admiral Thomas H. Moorer
                 -Kissinger
                 -Bipartisan meeting
           -Congressional leaders
                 -Michael J. (“Mike”) Mansfield

                      -Schedule
                -Senate Whips
           -Messages to President
                -President’s conversations
           -President’s forthcoming speech
                -Possible statements
           -South Vietnam

     Calley
           -President’s conversation with Ehrlichman
           -President’s policy
                -Judicial process
                      -Appeal
           -Prosecutor’s letter
           -President’s policy
           -Review
                -Ehrlichman’s press briefing
                -Ziegler’s forthcoming press briefing
                -Prosecutor
                -Possible White House comments

Ziegler left at 11:25 am

     Ziegler
           -Handling of press
           -Ehrlichman

     Calley
           -Judicial process
           -Possible White House involvement
           -Daniel

     President’s forthcoming Vietnam speech April 7, 1971
           -Television
           -Camera work

[Pause]

     Calley

           -Taft’s forthcoming press conference
           -Haldeman’s forthcoming call to Laird
           -Resor’s tenure in office

     Resor
          -My Lai Massacre
          -President’s schedule

[Pause]

     President’s forthcoming Vietnam speech April 7, 1971
           -Preparation
                -Final copy
                -Kissinger
                -Patrick J. Buchanan
                -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew’s style
                -Raymond K. Price, Jr.
                -William L. Safire
                      -Thomas Jefferson
                -Kissinger
                      -Editing
                      -Draft
                      -Winston Lord

     Clark MacGregor
          -Kissinger’s views
          -Bryce N. Harlow
          -William E. Timmons
          -Role with administration
                -Gerald R. Ford
                -Peter H. Dominick
          -Southern strategy
          -Kissinger’s views
                -Conversation with White House staff members

     White House staff views
          -Cambodia and Laos
          -President’s church attendance
          -Vietnam

     George Meany
          -Attitude

     Staff

     Vietnam
          -Negotiations
               -North Vietnam
          -Troop withdrawals
          -President’s policy
               -Ehrlichman’s comments April 7, 1971
               -President’s forthcoming speech
          -Troop withdrawals
               -George D. Aiken
                     -Laird
          -President’s policy

     White House staff
          -Review
          -Peter G. Peterson
               -Ehrlichman
               -President’s policies
               -Opposition
               -Kissinger
          -George P. Shultz
               -Draftees

     Pending legislation
          -Education bill
                -Possible veto

     President’s forthcoming speech April 7, 1971
           -Phone calls to President
                -Cabinet
                -Kissinger, Woods, Haldeman, and Charles W. Colson
                -John B. Connally
           -Preparation
                -Kissinger’s forthcoming backgrounder

                 -President’s efforts
                       -Consultation with Cabinet
                             -Laird
                             -Rogers
                             -Moorer

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 11:25 am

     President’s schedule
           -Shultz, Ehrlichman

Bull left at an unknown time before 11:49 am

     National economy
          -Stock market

     President’s schedule
           -Franco Maria Malfatti
           -Council on International Economic Policy
                -European Economic Community
           -Connally

     National economy
          -Stock market
          -Economic indicators
                -Automobile sales
                -Views of Haldeman’s friend from J. Walter Thompson Co.
                -Sears, Roebuck & Co.
                -Industrial production
                -Construction
                -Retail sales

     President’s forthcoming speech April 7, 1971
           -Possible effect
           -War weariness

Shultz and Ehrlichman entered at 11:49 am

     President’s schedule

The President and Haldeman left at 11:49 am

     [Pause]

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[Unintelligible]
[246-005-w001]
[Duration: 2m 24s]

       Sensitivity of unknown person

       Harris polling

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The President entered at an unknown time after 11:49 am

     Congress

     Pending legislation
          -Education bill
          -Possible veto
          -Cost
          -William D. Hathaway
                -Possible amendment
                -Possible White House response
          -Military pay
                -House vote
                -Cost
          -Education bill
                -Possible veto

Kissinger entered at an unknown time after 11:50 am

     President’s schedule
           -Laird, Rogers, Kissinger
                 -Talking points
                       -Vietnam withdrawal

Kissinger left at an unknown time before 12:15 pm

     Pending legislation
          -Education bill
                -Possible veto
                       -Military pay
                       -Transportation
                       -Urban renewal
                       -Revenue sharing
                             -Possible veto
                                  -Budget
                                  -President’s program

     National economy
          -Status
                -Stock market
                -Economic indicators
                      -Automobile sales
                      -Department store sales
                      -Home furnishings
                      -New York
                -Southern California
          -Stock market
          -People’s actions
                -Confidence
                -Business magazines
                -Washington Post, Washington Star, New York Times
          -Stock market
                -Administration’s economic policies
          -Business writers
                -Staff, Time, Life
          -Southern California

            -Status
                  -Federal Reserve
                  -Federal budget
                  -Steadiness
                  -Public confidence

     Pending legislation
          -Education bill
                -Effect on budget
                -Possible veto
                -Instruction for Ford
                -Education lobby
                -Possible veto
                       -Elliot L. Richardson’s forthcoming speech
                       -Instructions for Ford
                -Possible motion to re-commit
                       -Tactics
                -Hathaway’s amendment
                       -Provisions
                              -President’s policies
                -Authorization
                       -Levels
                       -Possible amendments

     J. Edgar Hoover
           -Tenure in office
           -Alger Hiss case
                -Tom C. Clark, Harry S Truman
                       -Taps on President’s phone
           -Surveillance of Congressmen
           -[Thomas] Hale Boggs
                -Charges
                -Compared with Joseph McCarthy

     McCarthy
         -Allegations regarding State Department
               -Communists

     Hoover

            -Boggs
                 -Health
                 -Possible Congressional hearing
                      -Ehrlichman’s possible conversation with John N. Mitchell
                      -Possible hearings

     Boggs
          -Carl B. Albert’s conversation with MacGregor, April 6, 1971
          -Health
          -Wife
          -President’s conversation with Lyndon B. Johnson
          -Relationship with Wilbur D. Mills

     Pending legislation
          -Education bill
                -Possible veto
          -Military pay

Ehrlichman and Shultz left at 12:15 pm

                                                                              Conversation No. 246-007

Date: April 7, 1971
Time: 12:16 pm - 2:00 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with Melvin R. Laird, William P. Rogers, and Henry A. Kissinger

     John D. Ehrlichman and George P. Shultz

     Vietnam
          -Admiral Thomas H. Moorer
               -Conversation with Laird
          -Richard M. Helms
          -National Security Council [NSC]
               -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew

                 -General Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
            -Jacob K. Javits
                 -Story in Washington Post, April 7, 1971
                       -Republicans
                 -Withdrawal from Vietnam
            -North Vietnamese
            -Troop withdrawals
                 -Military’s reaction
                 -President’s position
            -Negotiations
            -Timing
                 -Kissinger
            -John Sherman Cooper’s call to Kissinger, April 6, 1971
                 -Troop withdrawal
                       -Timing
                       -Prisoners of War [POWs]
            -Jack R. Miller’s approach
            -POWs
                 -Negotiations
            -Possible Congressional action
                 -President’s options
                 -Draft bill
                       -Status
                 -John C. Stennis
                 -Withdrawal date
                       -Possible effects
                       -Discussions
                       -Options
                 -Laird’s forthcoming testimony
                 -Military’s reaction
            -President’s forthcoming speech April 7, 1971
            -National mood
                 -President’s forthcoming speech
            -Congress’ role
                       -Vietnamization program
                 -Troop withdrawals
                 -World Wars I & II, Civil War
            -Troop withdrawals
                 -Rate

                 -President’s forthcoming announcement
                       -Military operations
                       -Message to Ellsworth F. Bunker
                             -General Nguyen Van Thieu
                       -Thieu’s conversation with Bunker
                       -Troop withdrawals
                       -Rate
                       -Thieu
                       -President’s message to Nguyen Cao Ky
                             -NSC
                 -Withdrawal rate
                       -Bunker
                 -Laird’s conversation with Thieu, Bunker, General Creighton W. Abrams, Jr.
                 -Following announcement
                 -President’s forthcoming announcement
                       -Official comments
                 -North Vietnamese military capability
                       -Laos
                       -Cambodia
                       -United States’ military dispositions
                       -Troop withdrawals

     Latin people

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cleared for release.]
[Privacy]
[246-007-w001]
[Duration: 17s]

       Mark [?] [Surname unknown]
              -Comment made regarding ambassador to Barbados
                     -Women and happiness

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     Vietnam
          -Troop withdrawals
               -Military’s reaction
               -President’s policies
               -Cambodia
               -Views of Cooper, Frank F. Church, Javits
          -Moorer’s comments regarding Edmund S. Muskie, Edward M. (“Ted”) Kennedy
          -President’s forthcoming speech
               -Television
               -Charts

Ronald L. Ziegler and members of the press entered at 12:49 pm

     President’s schedule
           -Latin ambassadors
           -Photo session

     President’s forthcoming speech
           -Preparation of speeches

Ziegler and the members of the press left at 12:50 pm

     Time magazine

     Vietnam
          -President’s forthcoming speech
               -Chart
               -John F. Kennedy
                     -US military presence
          -Congress
               -Republicans
               -Democrats
               -Vietnamization
               -Comments
                     -Carl B. Albert
               -Foreign policy making
               -Responsibility
               -Possible actions

                      -Draft bill
                      -Dr. David K. E. Bruce
                      -Negotiations
                      -POWs
                      -President’s responsibility
                 -Albert, Charles M. Teague, Gerald R. Ford

     Congress
          -Clark MacGregor’s views
          -Revenue sharing
          -Government reorganization
          -Laird’s forthcoming conversation with Ehrlichman and Shultz

     Vietnam
          -Troop withdrawals
               -Agreement with President
               -Joint Chiefs of Staff
               -Lieutenant William L. Calley, Jr.

Rogers and Laird left at 1:00 pm

            -President’s forthcoming speech April 7, 1971
                 -Charts
                       -Additions
                              -Troop withdrawals
                              -Dates
                 -Woods’ revisions
                 -Possible changes
                       -Troop withdrawals
                 -US casualties
                 -Forthcoming enemy activity
                       -Rogers’ views
                 -Possible changes
                 -Kissinger’s forthcoming briefing
                       -Topics
                       -Casualties
                       -Air sorties
                       -Possible press questions
                       -POWs

                         -Laird’s possible reaction
                         -Residual force
                               -Laird’s view
                         -POWs
                               -United States’ policy
            -Possible Congressional action
                  -President’s comments to Laird
                         -President’s responsibilities
                  -Donald H. Rumsfeld’s comments in staff meeting, April 7, 1971
            -Javits
            -Charles H. Percy
                  -Political ambitions
            -Laird, Rogers

[H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman talked with the President between 1:15 pm and 1:16 pm]

[Conversation No. 246-7A]

     President’s schedule

[End of telephone conversation]

     Vietnam
          -Support of President’s policies
               -Laird and Rogers
     Rogers
          -Foreign Service

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[246-007-w004]
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       William P. Rogers

               -Pakistan
               -Support of Administration policies
                       -Henry A. Kissinger’s opinion
               -Views on Biafra and Pakistan

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       William P. Rogers
           -Views regarding Vietnam

Haldeman entered at 1:20 pm

     Vietnam
          -President’s forthcoming speech April 7, 1971
               -Changes
               -Preparation
                     -Woods

     MacGregor

     Rumsfeld
         -Relations with the New York Times and Washington Post
         -Tenure in office
         -Forthcoming trip to Europe with Robert H. Finch
         -Role with administration
         -Comments in staff meeting April 7, 1971
               -Vietnam

     Vietnam
           -President’s forthcoming speech April 7, 1971
                -Kissinger’s forthcoming briefings
                      -Robert B. Semple, Jr., Chalmers Roberts, Joseph W. Alsop
     President’s schedule
           -Unknown newsman

     Karl (“Skipper”) Taylor, Jr.
           -Nickname “Skipper”

[Pause]

     Vietnam
          -President’s forthcoming speech April 7, 1971
               -Content
                     -Shirley Taylor, sons Karl and Kevin
               -Possible effect
                     -Laird, Rogers

Kissinger left at 1:30 pm

                   -Poll
                   -President’s policy
                         -Calley

[Pause]

                        -Opinion Research Corporation [ORC]

[The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 1:20 pm and
1:30 pm]

[Conversation No. 246-7B]

     Call to Major General James D. (“Don”) Hughes

[End of telephone conversation]

     Vietnam
          -Polls
                   -President’s policy
                         -Calley

[The President talked with Hughes between 1:30 pm and 1:31 pm]

[Conversation No. 246-7C]

     Sergeant Karl Taylor
          -Medal of Honor citation

[End of telephone conversation]

     Vietnam
          -Polls
                   -Results
                   -Calley
                         -Elmo Roper
                         -Claude Robbins [sp?]
                         -George H. Gallup
                               -Dwight L. Chapin
                   -President’s policy
                         -Troop withdrawals
                         -ORC
                         -National Broadcasting Corporation [NBC]

[Hughes talked with the President between 1:36 pm and 1:37 pm]

[Conversation No. 246-7D]

     Medal of Honor citation

[End of telephone conversation]

     Vietnam
          -Polls
                   -ORC
                   -Democratic caucus
                   -President’s policy
                   -Gallup
                         -Withdrawal issue
                         -Forthcoming demonstrations
            -Forthcoming demonstrations
                   -Possible administration response
            -Polls
                   -National mood
                   -Laos, Cambodia
                   -Calley
                   -Possible effect of President’s forthcoming speech April 7, 1971

                  -Calley
                        -Ehrlichman, Shultz
                        -Son Tay raid
                        -General Douglas MacArthur

     Laird
             -Conversation with President
                   -Haldeman’s forthcoming conversation with Ehrlichman
             -Stanley R. Resor
                   -Tenure in office
                   -Possible replacement
                        -Robert F. Froehlke
                   -Haldeman’s forthcoming conversation with Laird, April 8, 1971

     Vietnam
          -Public opinion on withdrawal
          -President’s forthcoming speech April 7, 1971
                -Kissinger
          -Calley

     Revenue sharing
         -President’s conversation with Ehrlichman
               -Congress
         -Program problems
         -Presentations
               -Edwin L. Harper, Shultz
         -Slogans
         -Domestic Council
         -Laird’s possible meeting with Ehrlichman and Shultz
         -Presentation

     Vietnam
          -Emmett Dedmon’s comment
          -Polls
                 -Calley
                 -Haldeman’s conversation
                       -[Forename unknown] Derge [sp?]
                       -Haldeman’s conversation with Thomas Veneman
                 -Calley

                   -President’s policy
                   -President’s forthcoming speech, April 7, 1971
                   -Timing
                   -Polls
                   -Forthcoming call to unknown pollster
                          -Chapin
                          -Derge
                          -Polls

     Revenue sharing
         -Ehrlichman and Shultz
         -Selling administration’s program

     Briefings
           -Length
                -Kissinger, Ehrlichman, Shultz
                -Points
                -John B. Connally
                -Paul W. McCracken

     Vietnam
          -Polls
                   -Disclosure

     Rumsfeld
         -Role with administration
         -Finch
         -Comments in staff meeting April 7, 1971

     Peter G. Peterson

     Vietnam
          -Polls
                   -Possible release
                   -Timing
                   -President’s forthcoming speech April 7, 1971
                   -Effect
                         -Military services
                         -Views of Douglas L. Hallett and Patrick J. Buchanan

                 -Lyndon B. Johnson
                 -Calley

     Domestic Council
         -Shultz
         -Public relations
               -Ehrlichman
               -Herbert G. Klein
               -Edward L. Morgan

     Public relations
           -President’s personality
                 -Connally’s views

     Revenue sharing
         -President’s conversation with Laird
               -Ehrlichman, Shultz

     President’s schedule
           -Briefing April 8, 1971
           -Media

Haldeman left at 2:00 pm

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It's really funny how they covered the snow under our house.
Yeah, cherry blossoms are all on it.
Yeah.
It looks weird.
Snow's all over it, man.
What does that end with?
With regard to this Carl killer, have you checked to see whether or not the older son is Carl Skipper?
Yeah, we're sure.
I want to get back.
I'll check it once more.
The older son, his name is probably Carl.
I just want to know whether he is the one.
His brother, Carl Skipper.
I want to check one more thing on this, uh, professional level guy.
This is Taylor.
His father's name is Taylor.
He doesn't want you to die.
His son's name is Kevin.
The thing I want to be sure of is that Kevin, he's got an older brother.
Who was there too.
And I want to know what his name is.
No, I don't know what his name is.
I don't know what his name is.
His nickname is Taylor.
I'll check what his nickname is.
It's in that memo that, uh...
This is all played out.
He's got to be sure that...
I don't want his office to get ready for some of that.
Get it back by telephone.
I see your point, and they'll go say that it is, huh?
Well, no, it isn't.
Okay, well, make sure her that way.
I've seen the general.
Not much.
Basically, it's just Kelly.
Kelly.
His name is?
I'm going to talk to the girl.
Okay, yeah.
If the prosecutor is out of line, Bob Tapp is still in the press conference this morning, and if not, then he is out of line.
Well, it's out of line for the reason that I did not say they were going to overrule him.
I did not.
I upheld the system from Ontario Justice, and I don't think as Commander-in-Chief I have the responsibility, if I want to exercise it, always to, you know, have not interfered or intervened in the actual process.
But now this must be Rezor that's doing this.
And I want you to get a hold of Laird this morning and tell him that I want Rezor's head today.
This way we can make it a week, a month.
He's committed.
Tell Tom that I understand.
I have information.
I have information.
You, Tom, do have information.
Reach the White House and Rezor heard this.
Rezor got this written.
And under the circumstances, the president feels he's got to do a procrastination meeting.
And don't race with the president today.
In other words, you know, scare him a little.
He wouldn't do that, Bob.
A guy doesn't do that unless he has higher up, you know.
pushed him along.
Hell, I didn't criticize the court.
I didn't criticize, you know what I mean?
Anybody about anything at all.
We were down to damn just the other way or very strongly criticized the court.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
That's the right thing.
That's my point.
Now, the other thing was, however, I was rather surprised that the White House just didn't comment on this.
I would have had Ehrlichman go out and say, now look here,
Worse by worse, I mean not particularly, he doesn't know anything about it, but it's very, he knows what he's saying.
He said, we have not praised him.
Well, apparently, apparently Eric was busy or something.
No.
Yeah, they come, or who was consulted on, and his view was that Ron, rather than escalating it, kind of pretty escalated, referred back to
because they're already answered, so you go back to Jesus' briefing, and one of those old stories over here, it was escalated already, but it said the White House introduced a comment on some of the stories that the White House had posted.
Well, it said the White House had no comment on the campus letter, but referred to, not on the paper, maybe, it said that on the paper.
I don't know if the paper's there.
It doesn't buy comments.
both the editorial hearings.
I'm not worried about it too much, except that I think, we don't let, I just don't think it's right to let us take a bad rap.
God damn it, when we're not doing what the people, the extremists want us to do, than to have a little jerk captain prosecute the case.
I know eight people who get in a case, and you're Dan Williford, you become a prosecutor.
And the six guys on there, I don't, hell, I know how they must feel.
We all know that, but you haven't overthrown their conviction.
Hell no, I may not.
Well, you've never had any thought of overthrowning the conviction?
No.
Your thought has only been the question of the sentencing.
But the whole point is, I may not even change that.
I simply say, I'll review the case because of the great national interest in it.
And I don't say I'm going to do it now.
I'm waiting to go through the process.
Hey, I know we're early, but Christ, he didn't hit that hard.
Yeah, maybe he ought to go back out and go to the end and verify.
I wonder if we ought to...
I'm waiting.
I'll talk to him about it.
I wonder about the one this morning.
Well, he's not available right now, so we'll just wait.
His secretary said he was out of the office.
He called me back.
So, probably, I don't know.
Don't worry about it.
They'll find him.
Well, it's hard, and I know there's always this problem, do you escalate a story or not, but one thing Rollins sometimes does not judge quite accurately is how big a story it is.
In other words, the idea that, well, we'll escalate it.
If the goddamn story's going to be big anyway, you don't escalate it, but you've got to get your story across, so that Rollins can understand it.
Oh, I see.
All right.
I'm wrong maybe to think he would have seen.
Anybody can see that anything, anytime you kick the president's teeth about anything, it's a big story, Bob.
Don't figure the goddamn thing could be escalated by... Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I will, uh...
You can come over and bring the copy, the recent copy, and I'm sure you'll get a couple more changes.
And I'm sure you'll give him, and give him mail for the, this will be the press copy too.
Okay?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
John, I was just talking about all of them, about this, uh, Russell Mann's, uh, fourth week letter.
Yes.
And, uh, I, I have learned that, uh, from the source that I cannot disclose, that research heard that out.
And so I told Bob I wanted to catch that today or tomorrow.
I have, can you hear me now?
I have learned through a source that I cannot disclose, the research turned this up.
So I told Bob that he's going to be in his head today, or this week.
My point is, the only thing I was going to say is that the gross inaccuracy of his charge
I know that the jurors are the jurors, but the fact that in here where we resisted all of the hotheads that wanted us to overrule the convictions, pardoning, and the contrary, prayed it, stood by the court and said at the proper time, and only, and we did.
considering what's our principle as we move on.
Now, somebody's got to do this, guys.
Who do you think it is?
I mean, it's a reason, because it's a very surprising thing for him to do.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Sure, he probably is.
Yeah.
Dorofsky at the time?
Oh, oh, I'm sorry.
Dorofsky, did he take us on?
Yeah.
They brought it for him?
Yeah, yeah, maybe because they wanted to get us.
Yeah, Goralski probably was so shocked to have the reaction come out to him that way that he probably left again.
I'm not surprised that other people all want to get that office son of a bitch.
Of course, he is a son of a bitch, but nevertheless, we have not cleared the guy, you know.
We haven't even, we haven't changed the conviction.
We haven't even indicated the sentence.
We haven't changed it, only indicated that I would review the case at an appropriate time in the judicial process.
Well, I'm not sure that Sigler ought to do it.
I think maybe you ought to do it.
How the hell would that discipline, or the background of two or three selected people, if they get sent all over to that, follow them to the Christian Science Monitor, and then question them to the Wall Street Journal, come out to you, and that's the way to do it.
I think you'd rather do it yourself.
You did the original background, or, what do you mean, their background, two or three?
You see, the Iranians know nothing about it, John.
Wouldn't that be better?
Well, uh, what, the, the Gillespie story, well, the story's pretty, already pretty well escalated.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, if you've got a zip or something, you really don't know what to talk about then.
One, yeah.
Yeah, I know, but that's lengthy, you know, you have to do 50 questions.
I mean, give me 50 words.
Yeah, yeah.
One.
Yeah.
Let's go.
Don't get off, don't get it to the, get it off, get it to the other extreme where it appears that we're coming out against the guy.
I don't want to do that either.
Just simply say that the president has a responsibility.
If he chooses to exercise it as the final review of an officer or whatever they have to say, I don't know.
Yeah, right, right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, why not?
That's right.
Anybody can do the process.
That's right.
Yeah.
That's right.
The whole thing is that, you know, we have to do the process as well.
All right, try it that way.
But I would go ahead now.
Who was they were suggesting you briefed?
The guy that works?
The guy that works with the?
Yeah.
Well, maybe it's, I mean, I just don't know who the hell it would help with.
You know, you don't.
I hope you don't feel it or help with it.
If you don't feel it, it should be done.
If you want to go to the procedure, we can do it.
Maybe that's what we're going to do.
Thank you for that.
Yeah, well, uh, yeah, well, I guess, uh, just to be sure they know what the position is, that's the legal position.
That may be it.
Okay, fine, yeah.
All right.
Now that's your, this isn't your reading copy, this is the other copy from last night that you wanted to give us.
All right.
On the first page, you don't have to read how to do it.
You don't have to read how to do it.
I can go get one.
Go get one.
Just find the place.
Or if I'd be glad to be able to get my reward by announcing that I, but it is, that I have decided to increase
I bet not.
By the time that decision was made, many of the spirits in Cambodia were going to be fighting for war in the United States.
The troop control program would be delayed.
The word would have been done.
A couple sentences down, American troops were out of Cambodia.
and then a couple pages down, you can get Laos second.
Rather than a while, they split the sectors to the south, and then to the east.
But by the most conservative, I think there's something in the market.
And there's a type of that in here.
You're talking about person in the Lord, about work that he's done in his time for him.
He had a barber.
He had a barber.
He had peons.
It's not peons.
That's negotiating pawns.
That's negotiating pawns.
Yeah, pawns.
Join us.
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All right, you all can take me now.
We have a sentence further on where it says, and in our power to prove to our friends and the world, we should be given our power to prove to our friends and the world.
And on page 17, very good.
As far as what this is, as far as what this is, no.
Yeah, it fits, it's all right.
I've covered the other thing, if that's what it's about, Bob.
Mr. Bartlett, we'll run off a clean copy of this and give one to Henry and one to Preston.
Now, you go talk to Henry and say, and show him what you've got, and say, now, does he have any other hit picks that he wants before you run to Preston?
This is the last.
Well, we could do three triple-spaced .
Then we'll just give that .
Well, I'll sort it out.
Yeah, all right, fine.
No, run that off.
Run that off and say, here's the president's final copy.
Now, if he wants to, he'll read over it.
Sure, because he'll wait.
If I can get two or three people to copy it, he'll be done in a couple of minutes.
And then he can come in and say if he needs it.
Okay.
All right, fine.
That's a beautiful thing.
Yeah, it sure is.
I'm going to read it now.
I'm going to share a great feel with you.
I'm going to share a great feel with you.
I'm going to share a great feel with you.
Why do you have to do that?
Don't give the word count.
If you don't know, if you think that the two of you, the president says 20 minutes, the word count you don't know is 2500.
Don't give that.
I'll say you're still working on it today.
You'll have text at 7 o'clock.
Right.
What I'm going to do on that is give the text to them.
and not allow them to move it until we come out of that which will make me i won't refer to any meetings today
Yes, you should refer to that.
I mean, the circuitry layer, the circuitry rod, and more.
All right.
Help me check both of them.
The circuitry rod, the circuitry layer.
I don't see how you can keep the bipartisan leaders a secret.
And I would say, because there was an argument against saying you were meeting with them, because that would turn the press on and to try and get comment.
I think, I'll tell you where we're going to go.
Just say the president agreed.
that he's going to meet with the bipartisan leaders before he has a few Senate votes, because they were the Secretary of State who agreed before the election to approve the Secretary's amendment through the Armed Services Appropriations Act.
I had a meeting scheduled to go up and call the big five.
Senator Mansfield did not meet with the President.
Consequently, having a yesterday, gave him the substance, only had not had the final action to give him the substance for what he was planning to do prior to going to Montana.
Mr.
Senator.
And that we're inviting the two Senate Quests.
The Senate Democratic Request to the National Union.
And Senator Mansfield will not be there.
We're not having a new House of Representatives.
Senator Mansfield's suggestion.
Senator.
Okay, very well.
I may get a phrase from .
No, I would .
I'm only going to use one .
So I just say that I would not suppress his demands, but .
Go on.
What about .
at a time, certainly, when the national election happened, to say what time it is.
To say, well, the president is considering all of them.
To say that he has had conversations with a number of people, a number of people, to say he has accomplished messages from them.
over the past two weeks, and regarding this, he's considering all of those.
He's got to build up the name.
He said he's had a number of conversations with the past two weeks, in regards to what should be a full Republican and Democrat.
And we've also had messages from a number of people.
I asked through the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of State, and Dr. Kishkin, the President, to assist in all of these.
He brought to his attention.
So we weighed them all in his final decision.
And we've had a number of that.
So he's considering all of these.
If that comes up, I would say, well, of course, we always consult with you already.
I was talking to her earlier.
Well, we don't want to build up this story of this killing.
I just don't want to take a bad breath after, I mean, maybe I wish we were right in saying, you know, if you're not answering questions, you want to look at that precedent.
I guess maybe Hemsworth came out with, my God, we were resisting all the attempts, all the hotheads on us.
pardon him, release him, get him out of jail, and so forth.
All of this is resistance.
In fact, we are working exactly for the judicial process.
It sustains the judicial process.
Now, somebody's got to do this, young man.
I think it's reasonable.
So, I don't know.
I don't know.
John's up.
John.
John, how are you?
John answered this question.
in the General Committee.
The President's action is rather than is directly consistent with the judicial process.
Now, the President is, anybody can appeal to the President.
This is the one case where they can.
For example, in a guy who appeals his case to the Supreme Court, the President doesn't have to do a goddamn thing about it.
The President can ask for, I suppose, a pardon.
except for a part of the civil case, the military case, they can ask the president, his commander,
at any time, to review the facts as well as the .
You can do it at your discretion.
That's right.
But I'm in a different position here, and that all I'm saying is certain.
I will review it, but I'm not prejudging the case.
The president is not prejudging it.
John made the point.
I intend to respond to the question this morning to refer to the material that's close in this regard.
John, you're giving too much.
No.
John suggested, I say, something like, on the press conference, the newscast, the issue with the military officers who were there to meet with the defendant.
It's apparent that Captain Daniels feels keenly his role as prosecutor.
All reports of him getting carried on his trial have sounded well.
His function in the independent military justice process has not yet ended.
No comment regarding the performance of anyone in their actions.
I tell you, I'm afraid to get into that.
I'm afraid that then the White House is getting into a crazy sentence.
I leave that out.
I simply say we're not going to comment on that.
Mr. Ehrlichman made it clear that we were not in any way impugning
or interfering with the judicial process.
On the contrary, President's action is completely consistent with that process.
He rejected the idea that he should move in and overturn the process.
It's now going on, ongoing on appeal.
And he'll say, what does the President mean?
You know, and I agree with him.
But I wouldn't praise, I wouldn't praise these officers.
I wouldn't praise this fellow here.
I think you immediately are going to say, quite all the praise is this, and it looks like we're about to go on that.
Oh, just free talk.
No comment.
No comment.
He's still in the judicial process, and it would be inappropriate for any comment to be made.
I think that's better, Ron.
Go take another step.
Good luck.
But you determine why you want to handle the broad, which is much better than the actual one.
You don't want to go after John or anybody else, and you're just going to draw on your own intelligence.
I've heard your questions.
It would be great to see you.
Great to see you.
I've heard your questions.
You know, because when you start praising about that part and so forth, then all of a sudden you're on both sides.
That would have been the worst thing.
Through the park.
I mean, sure, they probably did a good job.
But the hacker is Joe out there.
He still thinks Gallagher got a bad rap.
And he didn't.
That'll come out.
That might have to go by itself, but we're not going to stay out of it.
On the way, I shouldn't get into discussing it, but we'll also have a captain in an Ontario trial.
Yeah, he's a 29-year-old captain.
I totally don't know what I'm doing here.
You're not going to get out.
You want your camera just to take it out, and then your camera will go right over there.
I don't know.
Sure.
He's got that.
Well, that would be a chart they can see.
The whole office would be fired if it wasn't for that.
You should mark your script where you want them to pick up the chart and where you want them to come back to you.
And then you don't have to do any indicating then.
You just have to go right on reading and know that they will come down.
Yeah.
You mentioned Bob had his own version of what he wanted to do.
So what's he going to take on?
You'll give reason.
I want Blair to be scared out of his goddamn fucking mind before he gets...
The president is an apocalyptic man.
He's not going to say it today, we don't want to rape today, but now, you know, there's a creature that's been a bird in the saddle for a long time, and he wants that to move up to Mayfair Creek, but it's not going to.
Mayfair Creek has got to go.
Look, there's something Razor's got on the left nail or something, don't you think so?
What do you think it is?
Well, he argues that Razor's got all the poop on all this fine lace stuff.
But that's too bad.
If he gets out, he'll still have this massive, you know, left wing.
I don't want to see him around.
He's never to be at the White House.
I've got to get on that one, I hope.
You'll find here, when you read the final copy, there are a lot of different mechanics.
Mechanics that buy rough notes.
Right.
It's not a question.
He doesn't know how to hone off rough edges.
He's very useful.
If they had price, the price would have gotten involved, the portion would have gotten involved in the content.
So, some are making a significant contribution.
There's a little part there about the Congress checks.
It's very relevant.
That's Congress.
That's Congress.
So, I think there are a few reasons at all.
The rail would produce a whole process that you get, finally, to the final editing, and you edit it, and you report it, and you edit it, and you discuss it, and you come up with a response to it.
The first draft.
The first draft is to read the first draft.
I wouldn't have done it.
I'd have agreed to it.
You wouldn't have done it, so it doesn't matter.
Well, I suppose I had done it.
Suppose I'd gone in and destroyed 600 trucks, you know, and so forth and so on.
You wouldn't have done it.
I would have done it.
I would have done it.
I would have done it.
I would have done it.
First Henry saw that a couple days later, and it was very much opposed to the basic architecture of his original draft.
On Winston-Lard's fault, because of the way Henry writes.
Well, on the other hand, there's no... What do they have up in Congress?
Henry seems to be really disturbed about McGregor.
He says, I'm an awful little jerk, but he's good.
I think he's wrong.
I think Henry's wrong.
I think he's got it.
And I told him, I just told him, McGregor's taking a hell of a lot of heat.
He's got to reflect that.
He is my Harlow.
That's the difference between Harlow's and Tubbs' group of politicians.
I don't know how to put this in perspective.
And Picker-Breaker will become that new kind.
And I think, I think that's right.
Kiddin's, of course, Kiddin's.
There's a black one.
There's a black one.
There's a black one.
Well, strongly.
His mission, his responsibility, to make sure that we here are aware of what they are trying to do.
And also, you've got to remember, McGregor talks to the kind of people generally.
No, but he's got one carry forward of people on that.
No, no, no, no.
No, but he's got tremendous heat from the dominants and that kind of people.
That's right.
You've got to remember, McGregor's not part of the...
He's not part of the southern strategy.
He's part of our northern strategy, and that's good.
No, but let me tell you, it's probably going to bother me about the director.
I just want you to know what I have here.
Henry is very distressed, of course, if anybody challenges the pieces, any part of the pieces.
What he's got to understand is that when our staff people raise this, and the staff means when you took the staff on, which was a good thing to do, on the basis that, you know, you can't raise these things.
And I argue back and forth between the independent staff point, which is that they have got to raise these things.
We can't be blind to what's going on on the other hand.
They jumped, a couple of them jumped back on down and said, look Henry, we're talking about this in here, we're not talking about what we're talking about outside.
And outside, there's no question, we're, what we're looking for is the strongest posture that we can take outside.
The point would be to be most effective.
You know, basically the staff doesn't understand the whole thing.
Well that's, and finally, and the second, the staff really, if you're going to vote for the staff, and it's the same on the first one, the staff are going to vote nine to one against going in, they can't go in, or allows.
And they would vote nine to one on November 3rd to increase the, increase the,
It's a true thing for me to go to church in Lafayette Square.
It's true now.
It is true.
They were just ready to go up on the mall.
Now, they're not that bad.
Well, at the present time, most of them are going to go.
Why can't he set a time, sir?
Well, it's true.
It's true.
It's here where you need a jury meeting on the staff.
A jury meeting.
There's no friends along as political.
He says he just
Curious if anybody ever raised money.
He said, what can you do?
What does anybody think that's going to do for us?
He said, we've got a ton.
Why the hell don't we tell the other guy?
Now, what in the Christ is the matter with these people?
See, our own people don't understand that.
That's the only thing.
And I know, but I know 80% of the people are going to find certain humans hold them.
The argument they were making that they may come now is only that.
The only people that Hanoi knows you've got are not certain in effect.
And the only people that they can figure out is Bob.
Until you announce it.
That's the point we're looking for.
The flexibility.
I'd like to decide if I got it.
If they start screwing around and I finish this next withdrawal, I'll leave $184,000 there for 10 years.
All right.
That's the point.
But if I announce it, I'm screwed.
I tie my hands.
That's exactly what happened to the other thing earlier.
They did a hell of a job this morning.
They did a really banging part on this, on the president.
The thing that you overlook as you talk about all this stuff is the point that we've got to understand is the president has what he said he would do, what his commitment is, and his delivery on it.
Step by step, without any wavering, he has never done less than what he said he was going to do.
Well, the Hill Station and I don't get that anymore.
Yeah.
See, 8 can come out in a second.
The property was stimulated by Laird.
Well, we can shift for $18,000 a month, and that would be a time-certified $18,400 electric.
See, what he's worried about is that we're at $18,000 a month right now.
Yes, we are.
And that's a nice deal.
But that's not just Laird, it's a nice piece of stuff.
It was, but they were going to be out by the election.
Right, David.
Now, anybody who's right in line knows they're going to be out by the election.
They think.
But you keep it open.
Keep it open.
Just the chance.
Just the chance to look up a little.
God, I don't know.
I don't know.
We'll come to time.
I prefer that.
We will.
We've got about three months more.
Well, I hope Bob will look them over carefully.
I'm not going to have any faint hearts around after this is over.
I mean, the day after it's over, we start to kind of haunt, not believe me.
I was watching Pete.
I was trying to smoke him out this morning.
I don't want anybody.
I don't want anybody.
I thought Peterson might want to open it.
Peterson sat there.
It was very interesting.
He didn't say a word.
You know, on this point, Rumsfeld was advocating the other argument.
And I think he was the one who was advocating the court case.
But he wasn't quite certain.
I started dating Rumsfeld because he wouldn't say what he wanted.
He would almost say what he didn't want.
You've been along just an increase in forces.
Right.
And didn't want a continuation of leaving it open.
Didn't feel that we should go on not leveling with the American people in Hanoi to figure out.
Didn't want this.
It was clear that Hanoi had the capability, that Hanoi might be able to have the capability to attack next year.
If they did, they know whether they do or whether they don't.
If they do, they're going to wait and attack.
If they don't, they aren't going to wait and attack.
Either way, we should be out.
And, you know, I'm thinking, well, it's all, uh, it's a great deal.
But Peterson waited, and then when Erland did this very solid, very strong thing, Peterson jumped right on that and said, okay, there is, there is our point.
And the thing we need to do is build, clearly, and he's right, build a case in the next few weeks
And maybe it's a major speech, and maybe, you know, figure out who can make it.
Oh, no, no, it can't be you.
Figure out how it can be done.
That makes the point that the president has been consistent for two and a half years, two years on this, that all the opposition has walked all over the place.
And you start building the case, and, you know, they call for this, and you've already been on that, so they jump for that, bing, bing, bing, where they've been back and forth and everything.
We should thank God we've got somebody running the thing who isn't jumping all over like this who would have us totally get on the train by now.
There's an interesting piece there.
He was pushing Henry on the cab.
He built the boats and the postures that Henry skates through.
I don't know.
The thing is, if the report is due for crisis, I don't know what the argument is.
I bet you I could take every goddamn argument that the treaty came up with and come up with it without missing 5%.
I don't know.
I don't see a thing.
That's the other point.
It's an assumption that they might have promised something.
But let them think.
People have to think their... Another thing is that they have to think their...
And I guess, too, they fall for all that bullshit, the fact that I sit over here in the stubborn way and don't even think about all these things.
I think the more I read this, you know, all and every print does.
And that was the only thing, the only point Schultz had was if you could put in the no more draftees, that would cut out .
And obviously you can't do that.
You can't do that because .
You can't say that because .
So then he said, the way you can solve that is send the Marines into Vietnam and let them finish the war before everybody else does.
And that's his solution.
The education bill, they just need to find a decision on whether we want to put a veto statement on the excess appropriation.
If you put
It occurred to me, as I told you tonight, I mean, it's a drill that I really don't have any need for, but I want cabinet officers
Congress, the deal, they are talking to the VIPs, you know, how about the three people that were called Rose, I mean, I'm ashamed to say, but the combination of Rose, yourself, and just, you know, there were two VIPs called Colson, and they were here too, you know.
if you have it on that score, and invite you to visit, I will not bother.
You know, unless you've got someone like, oh, if you feel a three therapy needed, like McConnell, that might be, you know, I don't think so.
I'm trying to come up with a deal.
There never is.
They want to register their views.
Oh, perfect.
We haven't even read the message.
They've got a lot of good messages.
They just wanted to point you to know.
After I've been in for an hour, what they're in, I will not be interested.
The other thing is, do you have one answer?
to get across how the speech was written and all that sort of thing.
I just don't want to get out in the background for a few months from now.
Well, it's a question of which I should ask you about tomorrow.
It's the one that you want to ask.
Well, I'm doing it today.
I'm doing it for that matter today.
You know, which is where it's at.
I apologize because it would be good
The place you get the most mileage out of that story is as the commentators come along before you go on the air.
Because they've got to build a couple minutes longer.
Alright, fine.
The setting is the same, but they all hold the strut.
to move your weight is minus the foundation of responsibility for yourself.
Rather than leaving the speaker, this is a project that is about to fall in your own hands.
I've consulted with all those who have not yet completed their projects.
But more of that would be the responsibility of the software.
The software is a big deal.
I don't have any pressures.
I'll get your ring.
Okay, the stock market's already taken its ride on the .
That's an anticipation.
They've suggested that you're meeting with South Valley tomorrow after that International Economic Council, and they're suggesting that you be brought in at the very end of the International Economic Council meeting to cut off a little time you have to spend with them and do something, and let them meet those people and show our close association with the European Union.
What else?
Notice you just come in at the last few minutes.
What else?
I've got to see a comment sometime this week.
I've got a lot of calls in the air, and I've got to find out about it.
The other thing I'd like to mark it up, John, is that auto sales were better.
Pricing was better.
Galley, I think, retail sales were, I think, better.
I don't do it in person, but I do it in the wind here.
And in fact, if they know something, they don't know it.
Don't you think so, John?
It's like you're a friend of mine, Kay Waller-Thompson, when you did a death sentence.
And I said, I'm a surgical grunt with an axiom that was like a retail cell phone.
That's all I knew about you.
So that's your reprimand.
And that's your redemption.
Manufacturers and so forth were flat rolling down.
But that's just a little thing in America, that the industrial plant was overbuilt.
It got overbuilt in that period.
That's what we've done.
That's why construction, the kind of construction we've done is heavy construction.
It's over, it's overbuilt.
But the real thing is that this, when the retail thing goes, we've got to pull the others along with it.
Correct?
Yep.
And over a period of time, which is what you're asking.
You don't want to spurt, you want to run.
that market and security stand in, they did, they may be just fine.
Although it's not a bad thing.
I think the speech is going to do just exactly what we've talked about.
It's going to reassure people.
It's going to level off, cut out the bottom.
I don't think it's going to cause any emotional upheaval.
In the first place, if there were capacity for it, it was spent nicely.
But I don't see an emotional response.
There's a war-weariness rather than a war tension at the moment.
And I think this will help allay the weariness.
And I'll tell you what, we're at the end now.
It isn't going to rally the main thing, the truth, whether we can hold it or not.
I think this will buy in on time.
Get out of there!
Well, we're out of here, so...
All right.
Daddy's got a veto problem.
Yes, sir.
Education.
The situation is the education bill has started out with Betty Bushwood, the Senate, in and out of Congress.
around 290 million dollars over 290?
Yeah.
Hathaway responded to the Democratic campaign and also to the stress-proclaimed Monday.
Hathaway of Wyoming?
Hathaway of Maine.
It was a night of awkwardness, but he in fact responded fully.
that would take the overage of your budget up to around $1 billion.
And that book and the surrounding book are the ones that Gary Gordon is concentrating on.
He's asking for some kind of signal from the White House to help with the interaction.
So that is going to be an advantage.
I think there are a variety of considerations beyond this median focus.
First of all is the fact that at 1.7, we'll do it in about October, you know, middle of the third day, we'll go to about a thousand times a week.
So there's going to be some signal overloading going on before then.
We've also had to take some security over.
We're trying to return to that.
We also have the fact that we've met each other educationally twice.
And I think there's a problem about getting positioned against education.
I think, broadly speaking, we have
In addition to the amount of money here, we have overall runaway electric cars.
That's called attention to a number of places, apparently, to grapple with.
And it is a good way of maintaining the consequences of very bad inflation.
And then second, we have this full-fledged lobby system.
that cuts across many areas, in which it ties to some kind of expansion, and we're struggling with that problem.
You'd like to see it for two minutes before the meeting, about the mention of the school.
I'll try to go ahead now.
We have the mention of the school.
It's to say that, uh, there must be two of the dogs and, uh, two of the... Two.
All right.
All right.
So that the withdrawal... That should be done.
That's our goal.
Good.
Our goal is very good.
That... That is done.
All right.
I'll tell him.
I think we got this through.
Yeah, no problem.
Yeah.
Pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty maybe.
Well, I, as you know, I'm married to about 600.
I don't think they're 72, but 73.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I believe also that our, that's what the economy is.
beginning to move after a year from now, say, when this money is really being dumped out, we're going to be engaged in a big effort to keep control of that place as well.
And so I'm very grateful.
Well, you're very tough on this issue.
You've got to deal with young people and other individuals.
Well, I don't know.
Well, I think there's a question of
Whether you want to get yourself out on a hook right now, this early in the game, in the appropriation process, maybe it's a good thing.
But positioning yourself that way, on education, how do you keep those points before?
I just wonder if you are going to get yourself out of that trap.
I don't think so.
You're out of contrast.
You're signing a very paid bill, and now we're on the wrong side.
Well, is there anything down the line that could be?
No, that's what I wanted to ask.
You may have got to find something.
Transportation's over.
Part of the symbolism.
You could find something on transportation there.
Urban to Google, yeah, there's something there.
And so you think, well, we know, but we...
I think some of the things that you've got to run into are actions that are being taken that are contrary to revenue sharing.
So that you not only can veto it because it's over your budget, but you can veto it because it's contrary to your principles as established in your program.
And that gives you a much stronger argument.
I'm getting to, reverting to a subject that I know nothing about except being in some kind of position.
I'm George.
I think that the bears, if you look pretty damn sad here, they will take a little bit longer, in about five months,
The first quarter figures, whatever they are, are probably going to be sluggish.
The second quarter, maybe flat-ish.
But there's something going on here in Miami, too.
I can't believe that the market isn't telling us something.
I can't believe that the car sales, beyond actually what GM is doing, don't play something.
I can't believe the New York Department of Car Store sales
And what was very interesting is that, if you look at those sails, that they were in cold conditions.
And despite the fact that at least Easter was late, and therefore it had had cold,
They reflected a hell of a lot in their payrolls and was horrified by an increase in the markets on sales general in the New York area.
New York is somewhat of a ground.
We have a hell of a soft spot in Southern California.
But what I have a feeling is that what's going to pull the market up are the folks.
The folks are going to pull it up.
All of these crybabies, the business community and the rest, you know, they're wondering, you know, what's going to happen.
Have they really come down to it?
They don't know.
They really, all they do is really reflect what people finally decided to do.
Somewhere, it's taking us longer than we had hoped.
We were all talking about the fact that we're going to get all that postal pay raise, and so we secured it last year, and then the year, and then we started buying, and now it's there.
Somewhere, I don't feel, I don't feel that unemployment is going to hang where it is.
Correct.
But I have a feeling that you're going to start to see a bump up there.
That's my intuition.
That's done, that's said, without regard to any surveys that have been made, without regard to, you know, the... My God, if you go back two weeks ago and read the business magazines, particularly the business sections of the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Washington Star, and all that kind of stuff.
In fact, if you read the Daily Stock Market reports,
about one day out of two that the market didn't move, and they say it was because the people involved in the next administration's economic policies were overestimating what the economy would do.
Of course, they don't say it in the day.
In the day, when the market happens to go up some, I mean, the day they go up, down to the people that write, you know,
It's such a good thing to stay on the right with each other.
They're always cutting, cropping, sucking, screwing, and so forth and so on.
It's a hurt.
If they prove to be wrong, then it's up in the legislation.
If they prove to be right, then it's down in the books.
That's why an economist always tends to be very sure.
You never lose that way.
I'd like to have a chair for you on my unsophisticated remarks.
I say that having in mind the fact that it's southern telephone.
It's a scary headline, all kinds of headlines, one behind 12 years, southern telephone.
Some things are happening.
I get it from the members.
The members give you one picture.
The policy inputs are strong, yes, that will serve.
The policy is very strong.
Our budget is
Our budget is going wild.
That's what it's doing.
I think our problem is putting in place a sense of steadiness here that's going to sustain us for the next couple of years.
This needs to be emphasized.
As a matter of fact, it's meant to be a public nonprofit.
some steady type statements would do quite a lot for a company that were not sort of panned by the unemployment rate.
And we're acting on that.
Having said all that, going back to education,
The chair is going to want to talk very strongly against it.
I'm going to ask the speaker to put a runaway button.
This is probably the problem.
I don't know if it's the end of the mission.
I'm going to take the silence.
I'm going to say, and if it goes down, I'm not sure if it's going to go down.
Let me put it this way.
I think you've got to know, Jerry, that I wanted to pick a place, a time, a time and a place to stand and fight.
I feel that education is not a place to stand and fight.
Now, I, the person that said, I don't think education ought to be a place to stand.
I mean, they have a promise, and so forth.
I mean, they did it against us, period.
That's what's going to change.
And all of John's nice words, I'm sure you'll find, is that education can be a place to
I understand what you mean.
I mean, education, you know, they give students what they can provide, some of the gifts, throughout this mission.
But you said, well, we're only against education.
We're not against military spending.
Correct.
I think we've got to stand to the final at a time.
I don't think we've got to.
We should put our guys to the sore by education.
So I would just do the best you man well can.
Go to the Senate now that we've been there.
It would be worse there.
I would hope it would be worse there.
If they go full-fledged, they will have funded it to complete that.
Yeah.
But there's been some media that's made a speech.
Elliot has told Gary that I would recommend it.
And he will recommend that we put it.
You mean to leave it sort of in that posture?
Well, the best you could leave it in that posture, if you could,
Well, what would that do?
That puts our guys out on the limb.
Larry wants to know what his whole card is, because he doesn't want guys getting out on the limb.
A representation that there's going to be... Why don't you put it in this case?
You've got to wait and see what happens here, what the situation is when it comes down to what happens in December.
But we do think this is their response towards Hale.
And they ought to look at our, you know, revenue sharing.
I mean, our special revenue sharing message of education, which is a great deal on earth.
And they seem to be a pretty good driver.
Nothing else to do.
They're just more excited to get around.
They're very straightforward.
You know, I got an idea.
I'm getting pretty excited.
I'm picking up.
I'm picking up the music.
Oh, I see.
Oh, I see.
Oh, I see.
Oh, I see.
I think maybe, maybe, George, you ought to keep the option open and say, and don't be so sturdy when it comes down.
So at a time, but let's see the time and the place and the circumstances.
You can see it right then.
Let's suppose you get a hell of a motion, CPI about then or something like that.
I'm quite excited for it.
See you.
I'm not so, I'm not so worried, John, about the people.
I must say, I'd like to see what kind of strength they can.
Let's see, let's have a test.
Because I don't want them to engage in an idle act.
In other words, you want to know how we can do it in the world.
Maybe we'll have a motion to recommit.
A motion to recommit and give our guys a chance to show where power would stand.
There's going to be more questions to be answered.
And maybe they vote for the motion to recommit and then vote for the bill.
That's a good way to, that's an old tactic I think Jerry, I don't know, heard word of this, this might go about in the United States.
It'd be interesting to know what kind of sentiment there is up there on the inflation issue and on the big-time spenders and all the rest.
His, uh, his big ambition is apparently to have some kind of way to vote to raise the amount to the full budget.
Well, I'd fight that.
I think they ought to fight the hell out of that.
It's a bad idea, but we don't want to...
But then, when you say, well, then when it comes down that way, will the president meet?
Well, you should not commit to that.
That hasn't been to the Senate yet.
But I should fight that, because we're opposed to that, aren't we, George?
We're opposed to full funding on this or anything else.
We're both pressable.
We're trying to get some of these authorizations .
put authorization levels in, that it's probably better to have a label that says, on the right, appropriation of such funds as may be necessary, or something like that.
That gives people a target level, and then work through the appropriations to make that such, and then people learn.
How about getting some language like that?
That's what we're trying to work in.
And we're getting an amendment to this.
Well, how about an amendment to this?
But if you get it ready for the amendment, it'll have to wait a minute.
Well, there is an authorization level here.
This is an appropriation working law of the .
So my time to do this technique is in the authorization space.
Yeah, well, I was getting some kind of an interesting people in the name of Hoover.
Well, Hoover, as we all know, has the art of sweetness.
we all know should go, I mean, it's just a question of working, working out before they drive him out and kill him.
On the other hand, I know, I checked the school to pick myself in his case, but I knew that the clerk was an attorney general, and Truman, he ordered him to tap me, because I had all the goods on me, and so forth.
I got Lou Nicholson and I accused him once.
He said, you've got to keep track of my phone.
I think he did keep track of my phone.
Before they agreed, we went to the battle.
They did not have the capital.
The moment anybody walks across that capital threshold,
I don't know, is that the point you're making?
Yes, sir.
How is Lawrence going to be able to prove that?
Well, I think he's got it right now.
There's much to the fact now.
He never should have done it.
He should have left it in the window.
He said, he's kind of like Joe McCarthy was.
Remember when Joe, remember I got Joe off and I could have saved his life when I saw him in California.
He had a solicitation in West Virginia that had been made in 2007.
I said, Joe, I said, there are some that are going to be.
And of course, I said, you're stuck on a number.
You must not be stuck with a number that fills you with that number.
Just say that.
Just simply say that 57 who have backgrounds of affiliation on the department organization.
We should very quickly now get away with it.
You guys may, because there are about a thousand of the states that are that way.
So you can say 57 miles, you know, I'm on those miles.
I should have said that.
You wouldn't get off of it if you said there are 57 continents.
That's what kills you in the heart.
One statement of fact, you're exactly right.
You've got to get into this service.
You've got to be totally accurate.
I mean, and Joe was right in terms of the fact that there was, was, among the infiltration of the State Department, the Hiss ring.
Most of it's gone now, I hope.
At least, I think it is, actually.
But, at that period, and they were still there somehow, but the crazy fact is, Hiss would not have put the scissors to get off the shot.
And he kept trying to prove it, and they did.
They killed him, and as they should, there may have been proof, like, they killed Bob Hiss.
Bob Hiss.
on the sauce down that line.
What would you think about our people starting to demand a hearing, a congressional hearing as long as it starts?
Excellent.
Excellent.
Blow it up.
Blow it up.
Blow it up.
Blow it up and let's have a hearing.
I would have a hearing, a public hearing on it, and ask Senator and Congressman Fox to come to the Board of Committees and send in his evidence.
I want to do that.
Maybe I should include that with Mitchell.
Well, it should be on the Board of Committees.
Well, Mitchell should be on the Board of Committees.
But then the one to have that hearing is, we've got a strong man on that committee, on internal security.
He intends to be in the House.
uh the point is that the boxes
He went off on his own.
I mean, Albert, you know, may look like a great man, sort of quite a character yesterday, but I'm going to pass a message to you that while he's ill, that he has some medication, and when he doesn't take his medication, he drinks, and the Democratic leadership are sort of washing their hands of him.
And this would be a great opportunity to get somebody worse.
I've heard from Ms. Martin there's something to that, too.
I'm sorry, but she's a lovely wife.
Yeah, that's true.
I feel for her, you know.
You know, there is something to it.
There is something to it.
What was that song?
You know, there's a lot to the plan.
That.
And we want to keep it there.
I don't have a comment.
Bill.
I have a comment.
Because he and, uh, he and, uh, uh, Bill are very, you know, they're fighting.
Good.
I think Garth is responsible for this, I think.
He doesn't like that too well.
Sorry to keep you waiting, but we're going to leave you with that.
I'm going to meet all those teachers here.
We've got to get our side in hell.
One of the very big ones is going to meet those four teachers.
I'm going to meet them.
How many month-man charges are there?
Four or five.
There's one.
Four folks.