On October 7, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Manolo Sanchez, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Charles W. Colson, White House operator, and William L. Safire met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 5:36 pm to 6:10 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 286-006 of the White House Tapes.
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At the start of the moment today, John Rumsfeld accepted an assignment.
Is he ready?
Yeah.
He's very excited about it.
It's about to come up.
If you think you ought to announce it tonight, you ought to put a sentence in saying that.
That's a separate part of it.
It's a lot about the continuity.
Well, what is his title, as you call it?
You've asked, well, he's going to be executive director of the town.
Yeah, but his idea, and I think he's right, is not to call it executive director so that it doesn't put it exactly the same as the Arnie Woodward slot, but rather to say director of operations or to direct the operations of Arnie Woodward.
You've asked Councilor Rumsfeld to become a member of the Council of Arnie Woodward.
He serves as the director of operations.
Served full-time as his director of operations.
Well, they've made 18 sentences now.
He's got one.
I'll just make it up myself.
I can hear them now.
That puts a level of importance on it that probably is pretty good.
Yeah, it's fine, but if somebody can't be .
I don't want to say you're going to accept it, no, unfortunately.
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Well, it may be.
I guess it's just the folks don't know.
But that's all right.
I'll say it.
Because it'll mean something to him.
It'll mean something to him.
And that means something, too.
It's fine.
I'll put it in.
Well, that ain't gonna do it.
It'll be tough and shrewd.
And God damn it, though, he's got to get along with Cumberland.
That's the one brewer around here.
I'm not gonna have any people that don't get along with him.
Right.
Wait a minute.
Be sure that after this leader's meeting, that the Rumsfeld thing is set, that it must be done before the president .
I noticed that he wanted to try and get Rumsfeld to take the job.
He said it should be confirmed to him before the president goes on the air, and after Rumsfeld is taken from the job.
So I'm a little bit surprised that Rumsfeld can't.
They all walk out and that's the trouble.
Captain people walk out.
Some of the veterans, the captain shouldn't.
They walk out and he leaves.
He doesn't walk out and he leaves.
Well, certainly the president believes that Bill is there.
If they know that, they leave.
Then what you want to do is not open.
Well, Conley should open it and say, the president will be joining us in a few minutes before he arrives.
Let me give you the basic briefing and so on and so on.
Yeah, maybe so.
Then you come in and say, now goddamn everybody's supporting us.
Might be a good idea.
Might be a good idea to do that with the captain, too.
That lead that closes it on the high note, too.
Another way you could do it, I could go in and open it and say, I have to leave now because of the fight.
Yeah.
But I'll be back.
But I will be back.
Yeah.
This is all pure therapy.
This is consultation.
Yes, sir.
She had a big program.
She had a whole group .
She had one of the biggest groups.
change your own plans now with Wired, United, the West Coast, and Scotland, was it heavy?
Did she clean herself?
Yeah, she did.
Openly, big consumer federation to be in the line with a great speaker to be in the middle of the room praising what you did tonight.
All the consumer types are there.
She already had to cut prices to cut options in line.
You know, that's what I put in on that one call probably.
You didn't probably share that paragraph with me.
I mean, you had spoken to it.
But I worked it out in a way that is, by any means, satisfactory, limited, and made it sound like it's a hell of a place.
I point out that in the day of the pandemic, I did a great job.
I did a great job.
I did a great job.
I did a great job.
I did a great job.
I did a great job.
I did a great job.
The only case is where this happens.
Rather than tax subjects like mine, the price commission policy will be the business you pass along a fair share of its cost savings to the consumer by cutting prices.
We live too long in this country with an inflation psychology.
Everybody just assumes the only direction for prices to go is up.
The time has come for some price reduction psychology.
Let's see some prices go down.
That is good democracy, but it is the total truth, and it's time for you to go now.
That is the problem, I mean, I'd say it's a marvel that we're having today.
We've lost the interchange order, and the fire department is going to be...
They've reported, hello, the police will take this.
We're coming for you.
We are coming, right?
They won't.
They're going to say, it's great to see you.
It's great to see you.
Thank you.
It's true.
I said, one of the few times I get it back to him, I said, you know, he had a figure today.
I said, let me up this on it.
He said, one month doesn't prove it, because when we get bad figures, we always say, man, I want to say this, but I'll do this good thing.
And I said, well, it's the line separator that had it hard at late.
He said, it's the first time that industrial price infection has gone down in seven years.
No, no, not three and a half.
The adjustment.
The adjustment.
He said it's the first time it's going down in seven years.
Goddamn well, whatever you write.
Wholesale prices supposed to the biggest decline in five years.
That's right.
And the price of industrial commodities has declined for the first time in seven years.
That's what he said.
I know that, but I can't believe that industrial prices never have gone down.
I don't have to do the important thing here, but I've seen it.
That's the basis.
It's the first time in over three years that it's going to decrease in the overall.
That was the first time.
But he went back.
He found it.
It was seven.
Parried it back.
He didn't have to change it.
The sensation of the year.
Well, that's three years ago.
Yeah, yeah.
Bill, I guess checking back again to be sure we're correct on that.
This is the first time in seven years that industrial prices have declined.
That's what it says here.
decline.
They've never gone down in seven years, or the biggest decline in seven years.
The wholesale prices are the biggest decline in five years.
That I can buy.
What this says now is this is the first time in seven years that industrial prices have declined.
But we'll call it a decline.
Well, I don't believe in a second.
Oh, seven?
But that's in the text.
Seasonal adjustment.
Well, I don't think you need to.
If you don't, because that's good.
I'm listening to everybody just say, of course, it's over the other side.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah, I got that.
Yeah, they want it.
You think it's a problem then?
It means a lot to him.
That's the whole point.
No, no, I don't want this line.
I haven't got 40, 50 words.
I can put it in five.
Okay.
That's the whole paragraph.
I'm going to spell it out.
I'm going to spell it out.
I'm going to spell it out.
I'm going to spell it out.
I'm going to spell it out.
comes in the creek.
The only thing that went up was something that occurred before the creek.
I'm sure if you were working in that line, you'd recognize it, but we decided to start this fight against the police.
They don't have to feel a confidence in the economy.
They don't have to feel a confidence that the President is doing the right things.
He cares about it.
Not even the right things.
He's doing something else.
The thing is, Bob, is that our major figures in the administration has been, and we thought we were doing better.
But the whole thing is frankly the philosophy of our people.
Just do a good job and people are going to find out.
They don't, sure we do do a lot of it, but you know what I mean.
We have wonderful little meetings in the cafeteria.
Everything has got to be showboard.
Everything has got to be glamorized.
You have, ever since China, Mr. President, you've been here.
The type of coverage has changed, really, since then.
Activists...
It's been a matter that we've had a hell of a lot of activism before.
Remember, Earth was active.
Cambodia was active.
But you were doing things that they didn't like.
That the press didn't like.
We've done other things, though.
I'm not sure .
You're being treated, reported now.
the way you were in the early part of the administration, when there was a certain awe about Nixon and Whig, and about a new president, and a little mystery, and all that sort of thing.
And then you became familiar, and the war went on, and all that started rebuilding, and they decided you were good, and they could figure out if they wanted to, and they started building.
That's right.
Then China came along, and that shook the Jesus out of them, and then the economic one.
And I think they're back treating it with a kind of sort of awe, not affection.
The tone of the coverage is different.
It is.
And it's the kind of tone that we had for the first six months.
And these folks are also commercial individuals and they can't kick you that hard when the public is stronger than I am.
I'm absolutely convinced that this and the people that I do work with are greatly stronger than they are six weeks ago.
Precise, I don't know if they're, but the movement is great.
And I think they're great.
And I think Google will show it this year.
It does better than Google.
That's what we've been doing this week.
All this weekend, we served.
That's what I've been doing.
I believe that this week we're going to have to do one or the other.
It would be good for us.
He would actually be a bit more better if this was going to be good.
You got the business you're trying to get out of it.
Doc's right.
Well, it takes time to let some of these things settle in.
The economic policy thing is not going to be a negative.
It's going to be a positive to just keep things going.
You could get some positive out of this.
Because you're keeping things going.
Are people in this the right thing to do?
Do you want to be an awful businessman?
What is it?
Ninety-eight minutes to the office.
I remember about three hundred or three hundred and thirty-five to the information business and friends and all that.
Because it's fantastic.
Something about that.
I'm going to start reflecting.
The market squeezed up a little bit today, wasn't it?
A lot of profit.
Well, the interesting thing was that it didn't take off.
It dropped after yesterday at 9 o'clock.
Which came in the last hour of the market yesterday.
Everybody thought this morning that would chisel down to maybe a 4 or 5 point gain.
It actually went up one second.
It means that yesterday's game held, and a lot of buying played.
A lot of buying played.
A lot of buying pressure to do.
1.21 million back there.
That's moving.
The economy starts moving.
The market will go forward.
It will go well over the top.
Just that.
Well, the retail picked up this Saturday night.
I know.
I just got a couple of sensational weeks.
He just came in today and he said that the last four weeks now averaged 9%, which is significantly above the 7 that we're running.
And there's one week down at the 13%.
They were running by 7 before the 3.
I was thinking they're now running average at 9.
I suppose a lot of that's on the bills.
Well, it's as I indicated, it's on the bills, but it's also with furniture, it's apparel.
And I don't know if it's the biggest component.
They're up 35% of the year.
And we've had a lot of this change in the early this year than last year.
It affects the time.
It says that we can see what happens.
which he works on this weekend.
It's a really important matter.
Of course, more people watch football than baseball.
That's what we have to do.
There's no difference between those or this participation.
25% of the watchful would play all the ball.
The 60% of the watchful would play football, watch football.
No one would play.
Zero football.
Well, in fact, I do not remember any of that many good stories.
That ought to be...
I think they, I can't see how that, how that would help, you know, if it goes on.
So if I want to, I'm going to do it.
Well, it's still the thing to keep it in, I guess.
I've heard that it's a very close chance.
Because I couldn't do this with COVID, but it's because of the security.
I said you're putting up a good fight, but I'm not sure where he's at.
So, you know, I don't know if he's doing all right.
I don't think he's doing all right.
In fact, we hear a speech about a structural population decline for the first time in seven years of that year.
Well, Senator, a hell of a time.
First time in seven years of the story.
The important point of the story, Mark, was it's a good story, Wilson, but even with the telecom,
because it is what we suspected.
The employment rose substantially in September while unemployment remained virtually unchanged.
But they factored the return of the school, therefore held the rate at 6.0, but there was an actual decline of 200,000 in unemployment.
What they're saying is that
That's all people went back to school.
I never said that before.
In July, that was all people coming out of school.
There were about 4.8 million all-girls in September after a lot of school.
Usually, it's only the boys from the primary school and then some of them go to school.
The seasonally adjusted unemployment level was therefore virtually unchanged.
That's an actual decline.
No, but it's a good, it's a good figure, I'm sorry.
The main thing, the main thing, it was not higher and it came down a little bit.
It edged down.
Is that what they call it?
They'll say it edged down.
Well, no, these things are strong.
This bill said employment rose substantially.
That's the lead we have at the right.
It's a strong lead.
Well, I don't want to make a big deal out of it.
after a violence, specifically this one.
It's a wire service, very, very straight.
It dominates the .
All right.
This is a hell of a lot better time to do it, Bob, than nine.
Well, yes, because I don't have to wait so long.
What the hell?
Let's try this a few times.
Tell me, did you get a hell of a lot of beating about doing it at this time?
The only question I would really like to know, though, is whether we can talk about that West Coast.
A lot of them I'll catch up in the car radios, but I'd like to know what they did to them, where you could follow them directly.