Nixon, Colson & Sanchez on Education policy and Catholic Church

2:23:29Call some police.
2:23:59Hello.
2:24:02Yeah, I've got a break about 13 minutes between crafts.
2:24:05Do you want to drop over for a minute?
2:24:08Thank you.
2:24:26I wondered if you could take a little note to the school chat.
2:24:30Just say, dear school, I am not going to encourage you, because I don't know how long you've got.
2:24:38However,
2:26:17Well, I told him what I said, and he said, tell the president for me that he has a choice between the two, or take the capital vision.
2:26:28He said it was outstanding.
2:26:32He's quite a president.
2:26:33He said it to me today.
2:26:34I didn't know that.
2:26:35He didn't indicate it when I was, when I had to call him, and also...
2:26:38He didn't say it to you?
2:26:39No, he was very nice.
2:26:41He didn't indicate it.
2:26:43He was very pleasant.
2:26:44That was all.
2:26:44Also, when he came to preach, he was very nice to me.
2:26:47If not, they ought to agree.
2:26:49They have them.
2:26:49They're all kind of terrible.
2:26:50Well, he said to me, well, he said today, he said, I cannot be involved in the price of violence in the church camp.
2:26:55But he said, I intend to the president when I introduce the president tomorrow, I ask him to be in the issue.
2:27:00And he said, I intend when I introduce the president tomorrow to make it clear that he came to me in 1968 and talked to me and gave my idea to the president
2:27:17as a candidate, and that he was the first candidate, the first candidate in history, with the courage to take a position on this, the most sensitive issue about the Catholic Church.
2:27:31And then he said, further with that, when he put it to work, I think I would say that he would take all of the issue in the direction that Catholics are most concerned with, as no other president in history has done.
2:27:44If he gives what he deserves to me, I would probably take that down.
2:27:46Yeah, right.
2:27:49I want to do it for other reasons.
2:27:56I know it's tough.
2:27:59I know that McConnell, of course, is for political reasons and against it for, frankly, reasons of prejudice.
2:28:17I believe in private education.
2:28:22I have damn little confidence in the present public school system.
2:28:33And also, I believe the country needs a little religion.
2:28:41And so, for God's sake, if I can keep the school open, they're going to get a little urge, and that's better than having none.
2:28:48Now, having said all that, it's tough, it's tough, it's tough, too.
2:28:52And it will raise hell in some of our fundamentalists, in our right.
2:28:57It will raise hell in the NDA and all the rest.
2:28:59But will they not screw up?
2:29:00They're not going to get the NDA.
2:29:02I told Crow, Mr. President, I said that you...
2:29:04I told him exactly what you had told me in your office on Thursday, that...
2:29:10We're concerned about this, and we believe in religious education.
2:29:14And he said that most of the hierarchy of the Catholic Church, he said, Mr. Colson, we should remember that I'm not alone here in Philadelphia.
2:29:26This is not only my archdiocese, but he said I'm now the chairman of the Council of Bishops, of course.
2:29:34And he said, I know the people of the Catholic Church, and they understand that this is a matter of
2:29:41He said after all, in 1968, he was bidding for those in the Marbleville, and then he came out for Catholic education.
2:29:49And he knew he wasn't a very important president.
2:29:51So I think they're very hard-headed, and I think they know this, and I think they really respect the work.
2:29:56And it is the right position, really, that I'm on.
2:29:59We don't have this hellish fight within our own domestic councils.
2:30:04And the reason that it's being fought is that you've got to.
2:30:08those that are still disciples, as I have not at all, and have never been, John Dewey, public education, progressive education, and Frank D. L. A. believes in that, and so does Mark, and so does John Irvin, and of course, Nicole, the whole group, and I don't know what they feel, but my view is
2:30:38I have got that little bit of public education.
2:30:40Well, Connolly, Mr. President, Connolly, I think you should understand, I go to America, and Connolly does not oppose this, or doesn't want to hold the pack, or is not attached to it.
2:30:59His whole concern, he doesn't, he says, and oddly enough, the way Richard says,
2:31:05I believe that we have to make the right kind of tax credits for these people.
2:31:13Well, Elliot is a very decent man who will try to see what a drug he can stand up for.
2:31:21Well, there are a lot of prejudiced people, though.
2:31:23There are prejudiced Catholics, and there's a hell of a lot of prejudiced Protestants, frankly.
2:31:29And also, there are prejudiced public school men, the NDA crowd.
2:31:33Well, that's the pressure, Elliot.
2:31:35Elliot said, personally, he said we've got to do this part of the whole thing.
2:31:41We are, we are.
2:31:42That's what the speech said.
2:31:44But anyway, I'm going to say it.
2:31:47I'd like to say I believe it.
2:31:52Whatever damage Mr. President has done, I've got to say it's amazing.
2:32:02Thank you.
2:32:32We've already taken whatever losses are there.
2:32:34He said, look out for your games in the other side.
2:32:37He said, go for it.
2:32:40Anyway, it's gone now.
2:32:42I think it'll be very good.
2:32:44We will build absolutely the most greats out of the rest of the country.
2:32:52We'll have to be careful with this thing.
2:32:55And it comes in a hard way because they're very, very upset with the population
2:33:02My wife is skeptical.
2:33:05I am against abortion.
2:33:07That's what I am.
2:33:08Because they've only divorced me.
2:33:11And when I see the little black kids, quartering and being barred, it shouldn't be.
2:33:17It's got to be what I have.
2:33:19I agree with you.
2:33:20Yeah.
2:33:21What the hell are you doing?
2:33:23Where are you going?
2:33:26You know what I'm saying?
2:33:28The Japanese are doing the abortion.
2:33:32I go to church once a year.
2:33:33I went with my wife this Easter.
2:33:36And boy, all over the literature, the Catholic churches, the building is fighting against the population.
2:33:43They think that is a hard-line position.
2:33:46Yes, abortion also against the legalization of marijuana.
2:33:49Well, I think we've got to stick higher on that.
2:33:52Absolutely.
2:33:52Absolutely.
2:37:44I will say that one of the felonies dies over the sea.
2:37:52One of them tells us,
2:38:12One of the roommates that did it was like a portion of his organizational record.
2:38:18And Doug keeps working for the customer.
2:38:21In fact, he does stuff for us in Manhattan.
2:38:24And he is now a superior guy for the organization in Manhattan.
2:49:02That it's discriminatory to apply for an office that includes students with discretionary lands and networks in some areas of the fourth party campus.
2:49:06And I think a couple of these are bad for us.
2:49:07The press will say we did a good job today.
2:49:08So, it's a bad deal.
2:49:08Actually, if you haven't borrowed us,
2:49:25Where is it not comprehensive?
2:49:53No service in the house.
2:49:54No sense to have her.
2:49:54I don't know.
2:53:13Well, if Mr. Vickers is in an action that he's going out to Oregon, and he's going to the right, and he's going to an issue of press release, and he's going to have to do it in front of his family's assistance, they could have been depressed, but we've got to do it together in the house.
2:53:19We can create a party of cities.
2:53:20Yeah.
2:59:44Let me ask one last thing.
2:59:49What is the situation?
2:59:54On Thursday, there's nothing.
2:59:55The troops over there aren't good.
2:59:57They have their game plan.
3:00:14He said they may be able to hold over until Friday.
3:00:17The problem is that the other people here will not come back.
3:00:22The Germans have to leave tomorrow at 3.
3:00:27The Germans will be here at 5.
3:00:30They'll have trouble with the form of the parade.
3:00:33If they have to go over to East U.S., then Eastland just has to hold the parade and not cover it.

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