On April 26, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Manolo Sanchez, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, unknown person(s), and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 10:29 am and 11:36 am. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 333-008 of the White House Tapes.
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I'll grab a little consummate this time, now.
Yes, sir.
Are you going to Texas for this thing?
Yes, sir.
I'll figure out getting a Saturday, sir.
Huh?
Saturday.
I'm not going to Florida.
Oh, I see.
Well, I'll get out a couple of shoes for this.
I don't know how to pick him, you know, he doesn't have any sense of style, but I don't want him to be the same.
I believe that we have a bunch of people that probably aren't good, but the suit, the suit thing is something, the style is more...
I want to be sure that the light, that he has the background so that I'm going to wear a light spring suit.
Yeah, it's important that you know that.
The color style, you're right, the color is important.
On color TV, there's no problem, but on black and white TV, you do want to do a problem.
As you know, there's no problem.
Yeah.
So I...
Find out.
I'll try to find out what he wants.
I mean, what he wants.
And I'll try to get on with it.
Mark isn't here, so I'll get an expert on it then.
Does he know about that?
Just so we know what kind.
I'll pick the suit.
When Rob was here yesterday, Henry mentioned the fact that the Russians were for the environment.
I mean, he didn't hurt them, too.
I wonder if that's not Henry's doing it.
I'd rather understand that if we happen to make any choices, that he must throw off any importance for when the Chinese
who are unfriendly, unfriendly, in favor of the reporters who did not go to China, who are friendly and want to go to Russia.
You know, we just have to do that.
He doesn't want to throw anybody off the first half when they're the same as those in the Spanish camp.
Oh, God, that would be too bad.
They're at a patient point.
That's what we have to do.
We've got to be sure that none of our friends
are disappointed this time, if we can avoid it, and just go right now and listen.
But I'll count on you to follow it up.
his latest book on James.
But would you be sure that that book is sent before Russell Kirk was in the city?
He's written a new book.
He's left it.
I have not seen it.
I just want to be sure that it is sent before.
I think he's correct.
We'll have to see.
At least make the run at the private meeting on the 2nd.
Otherwise, I'm told to hold that thing for then.
But if we can get them prepared, ready to go, we may go then.
I read the woman's last name.
What is it?
Is it Heron?
that says the understandings are absolutely clear with the other side regarding artillery, violation of the DMZ, and attacks on cities.
And if any of these understandings are violated, after we stop the bombings, the bombings, of course, must be resumed.
That's Harold to Washington from Paris.
That'd be a pretty good moment.
We should have him sit in that cable.
As soon as you see him, tell him that they would, he could obviously add to the speech if I could read that cable.
I could just say, I have your cable.
Let me read.
They have violated that.
By God, you see what I mean?
It's enormous.
There's all kinds of stuff in there.
I mean, what happened?
I'm sure you know.
No, I don't know.
Well, the North Vietnamese demanded that the bombing halt be unconditional.
And we refused in the secret minute to use the word no conditions.
But we agreed to leave out.
We agreed to leave it out so that there wouldn't be any conditions implied.
And we agreed not to put in our conditions.
But we insisted that they not say there are no conditions.
Then we had a private verbal agreement with them.
And Johnson queried Paris three or four times in the final days in October.
about is it clear, do they understand?
And also, there's also a Russian case, and it's very clear that the Soviets, including the agreement, were very clear on this point.
And I think, go see them.
There's a cable back there.
So the Soviets were clearly wrong to the point that if, that our thing was, it was not conditional upon their agreement to stop it, but our stopping was unconditional
But after our stopping, it was essential that other events take place.
If they did not, then we would have to resume the bombing.
I think the only way to avoid combating the bomb, I understand, is if we could read that cable that they did that.
I really feel that they're not doing it very hard, that portion of the cable read to be on some of the things.
the way I would do it, I'd just say, here is an extra.
Let me read from a cable to the president, or this way.
Let me read from a cable to Ambassador Harriman, said to President Johnson, with regard to this understanding.
That's exactly what he said.
If you do that, that might be good.
At least you can get the other papers and just kind of increase the rules for the rest of it.
I would probably do it unless you want to cover the Soviets or something.
No, we don't want to.
As soon as you start into that, you unravel a whole thing.
You get into the Philippines.
You get into some of the other stuff.
Yeah.
Some other stuff.
I took care of Tom Johnson.
It's a fascinating period.
I had better before I had to spend a little more time with Tom Johnson.
I decided to go.
About what?
Trying to get it done, Q wouldn't go along.
Trying to get Q lined up.
Q was fighting all the time.
While Q was fighting, he also, there was a huge battle between Q and Q. Q was a good person.
That's where the dragon went.
He was helping me, too.
I think Johnson knows that.
I think she did very much less than that.
That's right.
I think that they were so right to fight her that all of a sudden she was fighting.
There was some battle.
And there was a question of what kind of box would be in front of them and what kind of fly.
Who entered which door first?
I'm talking about all pages and pages of that kind of stuff.
A little of that would be apparently a key part to bomb the palace.
We've got the whole thing.
Houston's done a good job.
Because he's gone through all the cables and changed it into a story instead of .
And he's got some side parts .
Incidentally, it's also, as part of what Herman said, that the North Vietnamese as long as we never did agree
to investigate heroin and stuff.
They don't want to ever say that.
We didn't want to put any cable out.
They did.
They said, in a way, they elliptically said, when you stop the bombing, the sound of our guns will be the answer that you seek for some checkpoint being that we'll stop shooting and stop the artillery.
Except that they never did say
We agree, and Houston points out in a setting where Aaron's assurances obviously overlook any knowledge of who would come in this operation.
I was thinking that Colonel Shulker should get some sort of certificate of that.
Do you already plan that or not?
I don't know anything on that.
proper certificate.
Wow, David, that outflow from, I know you know out there, from that day to last night, it was just unbelievable.
Really good.
They met from Henry's briefing, I think.
Henry's briefing went well, and that set them up well.
A lot of them got a certificate about who were there.
We had over 100 conference members.
That was good, too.
They were just enormously impressed with, I'm sure some of them probably went to the point
Oh, I didn't say that.
Some of them, Nathan McGregor and our other guys who were there, that were a bunch of lame ducks who can't do anything good.
Why the hell was he wasting time?
Yeah, they mentioned that.
Yeah.
And the most memorable evening in their entire career.
On a good evening, and that's what that was.
And your remarks are currently really... Several people have mentioned that they hope that you were rehearsing
Well, as a matter of fact, we're having a little bit of a problem right now, which is inevitable because the Lord and Andrew, you know, don't want me to use the fact that it's my responsibility to maintain the presidency as such as personal.
And so they come up with something.
They're concerned about the fact that they won't like it.
and uh i talked to henry about it so i let him read what they prepared anyway it's a good effort he said that it's the typical he doesn't say that
that I've heard what the young Democrats sympathize with.
They say, let's give peace a chance.
And that's what we're trying to do, is give peace a chance.
And we've got to seek it in the United Nations, and we've got to seek peace in some countries.
But we also have to, of course, keep America's honor and credibility in Vietnam.
But let's give peace a chance.
But I just got in here cute.
I mean, you said everything in the diversity demonstration.
They just, they couldn't be more honest.
Well, maybe that they're trying to find some other way to end it.
But I just made a decision, Bob, that I've got to end it the way I feel best about it.
It's going to be, if it's personal, so be it.
Because I never got to speak in personal terms about some of these things.
And that's what went over with them, because I didn't mind concluding with them.
I didn't talk long.
Some of them were long and full of room.
But they were good.
They were good, though.
I mean, John Cooper never was better.
And old Carl told us about Cooper and Joe, and he said it was marvelous.
He said, I'm very proud of you.
He said, what?
I'm very proud of you.
What?
I'm very proud of you.
What?
I'm very proud of you.
He said, I'm proud of you, too.
I just went out to the old Kentucky and stayed at bat.
I think it was, actually, what may be another thing that opened arms for me was that damn Army Corps.
I mean, don't ever send the Navy in there and say there's too very much.
Like so far, we're dead.
The Army Corps, they filled it out in that big barrack and all of a sudden they rode the Mandalay and they had an encore, you know.
You see, I know that you do a certain extent because, and I must say, I should be more concerned, but I've got adjusted to it.
You feel that we've got to, the whole group, we've got to have some of the more modern stuff and the way out front and the rest.
People that come to the White House dinners want to hear major songs.
They've got to hear things that they recognize.
They clap politely when they play one of those offbeat things, you know.
But by God, when they really go up the wall is when they play something like, I have no spaces.
What really set them up the wall in China was America.
And the turkey and the straw.
That's right.
You see my point?
The familiar things, the nostalgia, the interest, don't ever, don't ever underestimate it.
I know.
And I don't argue for any of the modern or the new stuff.
I don't mind it for others.
I do mind it for myself.
What I go for, what I have argued for, I'm going to different forms of the traditional stuff.
I don't like the old music kind of stuff.
Let me say one thing, though, that for those that haven't heard of the Army Corps, it's the best thing you can have over there.
Because it's big and strong and robust.
It just is.
God damn it, these guys who heard him a dozen times, I'm sure, they just were off.
They just set up the venue.
See?
And that's what, if you want a router, if you want stuff that gets up, right?
Yes, that's why that damn green bank march is so good.
That's the only good thing about it.
The only good thing about it anymore.
I owe a ton of time to it.
Knocked out all the parties.
Lincoln made a rash about it.
Sure did.
A lot of other people told me that that thing just set it off.
It's already too late.
Oh, it's working.
It's sitting there.
It's touching a collar.
It's touching every other one of them.
And they said two things.
One, the first, the President would take the time.
His decision was much less time to prepare a speech for the President, but not only.
It's the information that the President knew about each one of our companies.
There's some I do know about virtually every company out there.
And, for example,
You know, these things are important to Ziegler and Klein and that bunch.
They are the most important thing I do in terms of personal intimacy.
There's a thing that all of our guys really miss, Bob.
When I talk about color, and that's what I'm talking about.
That's what I'm talking about.
Well, they do see the face and all, but the point is, not that Christ will use it.
And that's it.
That is real.
But not in corners.
Because in corners, no, it's affecting you.
That's the nice thing.
Because there probably isn't anybody...
in this country knows the country, this country as well as you.
I've answered so many questions, but it hasn't covered as much of it, knows as many people
Well, you also have a retentive mind.
You read books.
But I relate a lot of things.
That's right.
I relate a lot of things.
I don't remember anything I wrote, but I do relate quite a lot.
When something pops back to your mind, when someone says Amarillo, something comes to your mind about Amarillo, you remember an event there, or you tie it to an individual, or to a school, or to someone.
That means so much to me.
And you do it all the time.
But they, that, that was a good event.
I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was,
In fact, it's all about peace in the world.
Regression is allowed, or it's worth regressing.
It's allowed to receive your words.
It's also not the same.
It's another, well, it's this office.
It's the office of the greatest perspective around the world.
This is a thing that, you know, Andrew and Laura are going to be involved.
That's what we're going to do.
I don't know.
I said, I've been receiving respect in these places because of the respect of the officers.
And I want to do nothing to weaken the respect.
And I'm going to do nothing to weaken the respect.
And it's that that brought me to that other issue.
Now, Andrews feels that that should come out
When I say handle it, handle it.
Their line is, he says, I do not believe the TV audience can grasp the spine-pungent tonification of a nation's prestige in the end.
I believe the president would be in serious damage if he personally were just one of the directors.
He talks about the UK and Moscow church as he couches them in wheat.
Not the perfect picture to throw down.
Well, no.
He said, we went from...
He said, we will be going from... What in the name of Christ is wrong?
Do you agree with me?
Now, that's what they learned in school.
You take this generation, and you're never supposed to say, it's the other side.
It's the United Nations.
It's the U.N. flag.
We do this and that.
The goddamn people don't have one command.
Say ah!
You know what I mean?
Not in a brand new way.
I don't believe in a brand new way.
But you don't get it across.
But anyway, it's judgment.
And I'm sure he's right that it will bother some people.
The sound majority bothers some people.
The sound majority bothers some people.
The sound majority bothers some people.
The sound majority bothers some people.
We have to remember with it.
They'd shit on that all they want.
That was a goddamn defective speech, as we know.
But then, if they can't speak, they leave them in clover.
And it still held us right up there.
We hadn't done it in Cambridge, but we've done it, too.
You had to put up with those terms.
Yeah.
Churchill, for example.
I did not become the Queen's first prime minister who participated over the dissolution of the British Empire or the British Empire.
What the hell is that?
You know what I mean?
This whole deal, the person the whole deal to is to, I mean, I've got to overrule them so you'll just give it to them.
I'm sure the price is too high now.
I've come to the conclusion that that's one of the problems with the speech records is that they are unable to put it down to her who got sued.
I don't think there's any question on that.
It's got to be I, and it's got to be the personification of the presidency.
I have taken off a bit about winning the election.
We've got all that out there.
I was just going to say that part.
Because I do have a lot of personal doubts about that.
We've taken that out because I don't want to create any doubts.
Or other reasons.
They don't say it's the same as we did in Cambodia.
So I'll take out the argument on that one.
What bothers me is that it puts it in the political context.
We don't need to.
It does it on a reverse side.
But I agree with that political man.
I can say that in textual terms.
That's fine, and it goes very well.
But we've got it down to that point.
It's always too long.
I'd like to do that word.
It'll be 15 to 17 times, which isn't bad.
I'm keeping a load of money.
I was telling Henry that I, as I expected, and incidentally, I must say, really, really hate him.
It's beautiful.
I said, Henry, you know, this is really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really
I think we need to spread our stories out.
And I said, that's what you'll hear from the staffers.
They don't understand anything.
I said, that story had to be separated for foreign policy reasons that are very important.
And to put out the peace talk, it was a real crime.
So, and I think, and incidentally, it's not a big surprise.
I agree with you.
But he was pointing out that Gerald and others said that he went from Moscow for the purpose of saving the summit.
Well, why, of course, they said it.
Why?
They asked it because the shit-asses were saying that the summit was in danger.
We know it's a goddamn lie.
They asked us, but we can't say it.
And they said, is that bad?
It is bad, and Gerald did that, but others didn't.
You know, apart from the ziggers, NBC was all right, but Henry had always picked out the one in Germany.
But also...
His story, the Henry story, was the lead story on all the television.
Two of the television channels.
The television, no, it was on all three.
It was the lead on all three last night.
There was one of them.
Then a few of them were back.
Yeah, that's right.
That's the back side, but it was still the lead.
But he said, the talk was great.
K. Graham backfired.
He got a worse editorial than they did yesterday.
The editorial of the day is unbelievable.
It says that you always start out your speeches on Vietnam by pointing out that this was someone else's war.
But now, what it picks up is this.
And they say that now it's become clear that you lived in January or mid-69 after the study was done.
that Vietnamization wouldn't work and couldn't be done.
And what Johnson had been doing wouldn't work and he hadn't done it.
So they overlooked, then they get involved in a different classification of Vietnamization.
They are, you know, they are petrified as they were in our country.
You know, the story of cutting a Vietnam in half and so forth.
Bullshit.
You know, we've been in the heart of that.
You know what's happening there.
The key point is that it doesn't matter in terms of the overall struggle.
One thing I think that may not be a good idea, but maybe if it is, we won't do it anymore.
But I'm meeting with them this morning, trying to get some of that stuff right on.
See, Abrams won't bring, which is probably our idea.
I suggested that they start a little youth vocal agreements out there.
There's none of that being amended.
Well, the difficulty is that you can try it, except they might grow up with that and think about that as a piece of hype.
Yeah.
That's too far ago, isn't it?
I don't know, to grow it up.
There's some good stuff in there that they're digging up with the refugee story.
Yeah.
And there are some atrocities.
Stanley's back now.
He sent it in.
pushing on this.
Scali makes very good points.
The way to do this is you can't do it on a lot except throw in as much as you can get on the day-to-day battle starters.
But what we need here, which we don't have, is about an every three-day report that puts it in perspective.
Because the problem is you're riding on each little battle, which always goes up and down.
What you need is a thing.
Every three days or so.
Well, for example, for example, I was hoping they'd come up with it, so I wouldn't have to say it.
I have not yet seen the story of how much of the population is still in the south.
Yeah.
It's goddamn hot.
Yeah.
They don't have any of the major population centers.
That's right.
Well, I took it out.
I mean, that shows that they're failing.
You know, I think you've got to play it right out of the string.
And so that doesn't, because you don't want it to set in.
Is there too much?
I don't think it's setting in.
Let me say it.
One of the reasons that there's a pressure of the ball about the distance is that they were about to try to get this to set in, you know.
Do you agree?
Or did they?
I don't think they were, but I think they thought they were.
No, they were trying.
Sure they were trying.
And the thrust was the thrust of the time cover, the same as the Washington Post's Nixon's war.
I thought they were going to have a life cover, but actually they used Nixon's air war.
White's cover is a brilliant story on marriage in America.
It points out all the different ways people are trying to avoid marriage because they're living with each other and don't care about communists.
I was referring to the time to see what kind of cover that synchronizes with the post.
No, not the same.
Okay, I don't want to talk about this.
It's not going to do anything.
No, it just is not going to... Have you thought he would try all the pretty things before that?
Well, actually, it's a common thing.
It's a common thing.
It's a common thing.
It dies into year one, but what the hell?
We can't avoid that.
We can't avoid that.
What's left of it.
And that has been a mixed bag.
We were concerned about the fact that we weren't getting it.
Could I ask you this?
Do you think maybe you would be better advised to stay here and follow up on the speech?
I'm just thinking that every time I leave town,
as much as we'd like to say they didn't do anything, the pressure was on.
Now, there has to be follow-up on everything.
There has to be follow-up on everything.
There has to be follow-up on this speech.
I mean, I don't know what Colson, I don't know what they have in mind, but they've got a really follow-up.
And the Matt and Ben thing, I don't know, I've seen a goddamn thing.
There's grief sinking that story into
All right.
Am I wrong?
Sure.
We got a one-day, our one-day ride on it.
And that's, we're not getting, well, go while I speak.
Of course, came a day when there was too much other news, but I told Colson last night, sir, go make the son of a bitch go all hell for his own.
But, of course, I can't get him to be busy with other things, but, you know.
But, I think about it.
critical at this point for somebody to ride this every hour or minute on two things.
One, to keep the boat or whoever it is to get the properties out of Vietnam.
Second, that we've got to have some, we've got to follow up on the speech, public support.
And third, the impact on the Democrats
Now, I have here a memorandum that Buchanan prepared for me, but I cannot use.
Well, I think that I'll give it to you.
But there's some very good things in your speech.
George Bush should make a speech on it.
I don't want to get him all possessed.
But I'm just awfully afraid that we're, that we will not, you know, I mean, all the presidents make a speech now and everybody goes to beat on them.
That's what we've been talking about all morning.
Exactly that point.
So, you know what's going to happen?
I think we're going to get as much going as we get going.
I mean, you think you need to stay here to keep on, keep on.
I see maybe as you come down to that area.
I don't know.
I guess just want to be sure about something.
Going down and hitting him from there.
What?
Who?
Me.
You mean?
When I'm down there, I'm on the phone.
You're all kind of...
I know.
Yeah, obviously the way you do that... Maybe that's why they're here.
And there's... Well, okay.
Let me see.
I think I don't see what we've got.
Maybe they're okay to stay here.
I think it's more than that.
They say it's a great thing on...
They say it's a concern about the war.
Oh, sure.
It's the grace of hitting this thing across this province.
That's what I thought.
Plus a correction.
And I've been saying they needed a drop.
Fine.
I don't know what the question is.
Well, you see, the Jewish left-wing writers, the Jewish writers, always put the war in the first place.
You know, they never start.
They turn them up and pump the war.
Well, you know, Kite's a son of a bitch.
I understand the economic benefits of this, right?
Yes.
If you don't, Frank Bowen, the ambassador, had them on before.
You know what I mean?
I want you to know that I've opened my mind now.
Bob Wilson mentioned, he didn't mention, and I know he didn't mention this before, but is Mitchell enough on top of
Reagan and the rest.
I've checked that.
I just don't know.
I just don't want to be sure.
I want to be sure.
It was too heavy-handed.
I was worried about that.
What?
Yeah.
Weinberger had dinner with Reagan the night before last.
Yeah.
And poked around a little on it.
And also heard from Pete Wilson in San Diego.
What did they say to him privately about why he was
They're saying that it's the college mall.
Is it that factory?
Yes.
Really good.
Yeah.
Now what Wilson knows, and another thing we're not saying that they know, is that San Diego is
Because they have a problem with San Diego.
There's more positive than negative in San Diego than pulling out.
The thing we've got to be terribly careful not to do is imply that San Diego just isn't adequate for a convention.
We've got to make sure that we get the story out there.
It was only the technical problems with the convention hall.
Right, right, right.
What's the positive?
I mean, the kids.
The kids, the kids, the money, and the hotels.
The hotels don't want it.
because they've been tied in their seat.
And it hits them that there is a hotel room problem also, and it's a legitimate result.
They were supposed to have $15,000 and $12,000.
But I don't know why I'm talking about a hotel room problem.
I have any idea.
Well, I know a lot of people do, even now.
Well, they probably figured there might be someone there.
A lot of it was just to be good, and then we're going to have to do it again.
It's got to be spectacular in terms of the personal, you know, it's got to be modern, sickening.
You've got to praise the president, praise the president's family and so forth.
But I suggest that it might be time now for a Dan Good article to be written on Jewish and Christian both, both of them now, even out of the Sun, but Christian is up there today for the article.
I don't know.
Or you don't agree?
Maybe we don't want to.
I was wondering if we could do this one a little later.
All right, wait.
We can get several of them.
We can't get a lot.
We can get several of them.
We'll call them.
But I'll tell you about their enormous assets.
The kids are such good-looking kids, fresh kids.
it's a very subtle way to, again, to relate us to the square man.
And also, it's a very effective way to play the goddamn hard-living man.
Let's face it, because they both, in each and every way, act like ladies, huh?
That's a good gun call.
I noticed that Brian and I, we started to marvel at the way you said that in Massachusetts.
Psychologically, people said that.
But then they didn't report it last night.
They thought it was because McCloskey got 30% of the vote.
We got 82%.
The government hasn't inflated that one any more than that.
They inflated it next to the one they expected.
Sweet.
Then they were saying, it's interesting, that what they were doing was saying that Ashbrook had a real blow, because Ashbrook was still a candidate who got only a third of the vote, or less than half of the vote.
Well, in Massachusetts, why wouldn't they get more?
And they made that vote in most television states.
But they said that McCloskey got a big vote because of the Republican Party.
That's what they said.
You've got to keep what we want to keep in the analysis.
If you've got adequately the people to keep the .
What team have you got?
I mean, you've got to scale to that.
Now he can help us out.
We've got this whole group.
All you see is the tip of the Colson Iceberg.
There's a very large machine there that works damn well.
These guys, he's got a Carolingus, a Virginian, a Buchanan's guy, a Washington Post guy, a Boston guy, a Scallop, and then a couple of the young guys.
There's quite a bunch of them who do a hell of a job of grunting at these things.
We get some cooperation.
We used to have both the National Committee and the Re-election Committee on ties out to people.
People would have to go to the volunteer organization on a local basis to stand out out of a collection for a letter writing about a professional gal
running the letters and phone calls that you really know what you're doing.
I mean, they're calling hundreds of followers.
I'm getting, for example, you've got all seven of the calls tonight, but I haven't heard them, so they have to come.
They will have to leave that position.
Well, you know, it's unexpected.
Or the less than we expected.
Then this reduction in the withdrawal rate.
Yeah.
You can feel the bad thing.
Due to the serious reversal suffered by the Army next month.
You're asking me to cut down on the withdrawal rate.
I don't think you'll get that.
You'll get that.
Bob?
I think they're petrified, basically, about Henry's trip for a reason.
They hate him.
You know, that's deep down.
One thing, River doesn't have adequately over there.
He ought to have somebody in that fresh quarter that he could mingle a month and give him a report.
He only gets reports.
Well, maybe they're wrong.
Maybe Kennedy's not in there.
I know exactly what those other fish are worried about now.
You've got to know how to handle it.
So the reason that it's necessary for you to know it is to see what curves and what curves they have.
They are very, very much concerned about how you're going to handle it.
So, yes, it's much easier.
But as I say, I think that, you know, I am glad, and I'm still glad that we did so well.
And it worked out in the morning.
Today, we were able to put it down.
The papers were going on purpose, but it helped us in some of the protocols.
The Russians have got the message now, and the Russians have got the message.
But I just don't want the American people to make too much of an impression that we're in this.
And I'd rather that, you know.
Would you agree with that?
Sure.
I think it had a good effect on the construction of the first, um, residential area.
This is the office, which is in here.
I wonder why.
Because they think, uh, they think we're up, we're not being caught with our, they think you're up to, to the, to the communist-type drugs.
They think, uh, they think you're,
Yeah.
Well, they don't like to just be in the bottom of the shelter.
They can't drink.
That's right.
They don't like to fight.
That's what I'm saying.
That's a bad point.
John did say he said he's got nothing urgent, but sometimes he can cover if he wants to.
That's right.
Let me see you today.
I'm here to have you here with me.
Whenever you get the thing back, I'll try to get the draft done.
So, if you want to take a minute just to run her piece and I'll make a little picture.
Yeah, run the governor and he'll help us.
I don't want to move over to the local office.
Just running in and get a handshake.
You've got to see the ambassador again.
I mean, that poor minister.
He can't agree.
Oh, would you agree with me that he had a date with the other man?
No, I haven't.
But tell me about it sometime.
For Christ's sake, I better know about it.
I'm very thrilled with him.
I'm glad he's come over.
My friend doesn't have anything on this.
He can't be...
Probably over there right away.
Yeah.
And I think it's 11.30 now.
Oh, whoever got the paper on the table.
It's probably very good going.
It's a very sweet movie.
You want a press photo of it at the end of the road?
No.
I don't think it's very good.
It's been a few days.
Uh-huh.
Uh-huh.
I don't think the people are opponents who are frustrated with the fact that they aren't stirring up the national W Center as much as they've ever occurred.
What do you think?
But yeah, I don't know.
Maybe they are.
Maybe they're, you know, they like to go wherever they want to, and the government's doing well because of the war.
That's encouraging.
No, I don't think they are able to gin it up.
I was talking to my UCLA son one night, and he said, that's the demonstration's code.
He said it was really pathetic.
They mobilized a group of a couple hundred, and they decided to march out of the Chancellor's office.
That was going to be the big demonstration.
And they got lost.
They couldn't find the Chancellor's office.
And so the headline in the paper was, Demonstration fizzles as route to Chancellor's office lost.
And it's the only thing they did that had any effect on the campus was some guy with a can of spray paint put a lot of stuff on the front of the library.
You know, the marble.
Saying stop the war and down with the president and stuff like that.
He said there's this huge indignation about everybody.
Everybody.
And like this is furious with him.
It's like he did it.
He did it over here.
That's right.
They've made it a beautiful building.
And it's prominent.
About the same thing.
About the same thing.
And it's people reacting to it.
That's what he said.
I said, are you sure that isn't just your own right-wing tendencies and not the left-wing?
They think they've hurt themselves.
That's the other thing.
I think a lot of them realize that even the ones that are super- Like John Hosmer.
Have realized that the demonstration has been doing more harm than good.
What then?
So far, I've been here carrying it out in heaven.
Yeah, I haven't found a lot of legislation.
By amazement, I think maybe we're taking it on for survival.
Oh, yeah.
Got it at 1130?
Yes, sir.
Henry, what's that on?
Well, you know, it's happening, sir.
I can't really, I can't give him 30 minutes if somebody made a mistake.
I don't, any board minister.
So, Tom.
That is a mistake.
Well, you know, it can't be.
It's 15 minutes and I'll be there at 45.
Talk to Henry.
This is so ridiculous, Bob.
I mean, the board minister comes in.
I mean, I haven't got that much time.
Rocky's got to get that through his head, too.
All of them.
We turned down more for it than he did.
Well, that's a little piece of money.
I was going to say, I wanted to say about, well, have him over there at 1250.
Okay.
Well, you'd think that all the cutters, fibers,
Yeah, I've spent some more time in the military, so I didn't know it was terribly hard.
Well, we've got that cracking as much as we can for now.
What we're going to do is just get another, get a boat out.
What do you have for him?
Reap him a little bit.
Keep Scali after him.
Yeah, Scali is back.
Give him that assignment.
And, uh...
They're shooting refugees on the road, going out and then on them.
Waving.
In our helicopter crew, there's a pretty good little story.
One of our car guys went and covered the refugees, which they had to do because the refugees were in danger.
There's another...
There's another potential amount that's in front of the revenue.
So you're going back into the money field.
Probably when you look at those daily battlefield reports, you can get all screwed up.
It doesn't matter whether you're winning or losing.
That's right.
And you don't know what... And you are going to know over a period of time.
We can take instances.
This whole business is about...
Pretty much
I think he's got a muskie.
Muskie, Jesus.
The other way up, the muskie comes straightly out and says, turn the corner now.
Pulled out of the tail.
The quack.
I don't know why.
How he faces that is beyond me.
But that's what he's saying.
He's going to say what he's going to say, and he definitely is.
I think Muskie's problem now will be the mass incarceration trial.
This civil rights guy deserted with a big bunch while on the ground.
So I think Muskie wouldn't talk about it.
He wouldn't listen to it.
He would.
He would.
He would.
I don't know.
He's with staff.
VIPs get along without staff.
But he had the people that endorsed him.
Yeah.
Martin Muskie Strangloff and Will Goldblum.
For Christ's sake, if you'd endorsed the son of a bitch, what would you be doing right now?
You'd be looking for another horse, wouldn't you?
I sure would.
I'd be trying to make a deal with him so I can get some blood work with the other guy.
I'd put that on Schaffer or Gilligan.
Would you tell John, incidentally, that I was money, you know, or something?
So I really want him to be sure to program that for all of his work.
I don't know about the men.
You know, they just simply provide for me.
And he sends the money in there.
He makes an incredibly sure job.
He has the responsibility to do it for me.
Unless that it does indicate that McGovern may be the candidate, that McGovern may become a service candidate.
How do you think that he could just find a bill account with Dr. Marsh?
I think the government will become a serious candidate.
The question is whether you can.
My God, you know, the following week you've got to say that the government did do well.
It must be in a neighboring state like that.
Without even doing a damn thing in Pennsylvania.
Brunswick?
No.
And, you know, they're all in the same 21%.
And that's what we did, because the whole thing really got the hardcore 11-point support from those guys right there.
It was fun.
It was fun.
It was fun.
It was fun.
Yeah.
Yeah.
to see how Muskie can hold it.
Maybe he can go a little higher.
But I don't know how he can hold that.
I don't know how he can hold that.
I don't understand why anybody would put a pinball into it.
What are you doing?
I don't think you should have all those high levels of support for people to get off fast.
This would be way too long to get off and get off.
Right now, Muskie, I mean, a gutter,
I would think it would welcome those guys.
You could make a little fight with them, I think.
So would Huber.
Wouldn't they be more likely than Muskie to be with Huber?
I don't know.
Some fight off the set of things fast.
I'm going to try to figure out which one's going to win.
Some of them may figure Muskie to win.
I don't know.
I'm going to try to figure it out.
Go for Muskie.
Go for McGovern.
I'm sorry.
Go for McGovern.
Or they might figure that Hubert is now on the way.
I mean, basically, they're not going to be in trouble because they can't figure he's on the way.
You know, it's good to have Wallace.
I think that he'd do well.
Yeah.
I think that he's delicate.
You know, he gets to maintain his psychological base.
He's a passing body.
No, no, no.
No, sir.
I don't think we need that song.
No.
Oh, Christ, no.
We need, we need the South, Gary.
We don't have the South.
We need two states.
We slipped through with one.
South plus some of the mountains, some of the plains states, which we should, yeah.
and maybe Vermont, and maybe without Muskie, you could get Maine.
But nevertheless, come down to the whole field of Maine, without Wallace, you also would have gotten that good chance at West Virginia, by the way.
Without Wallace, you'd get to Baselock, then you'd have a dang good chance of taking some big states.
I'll walk over to what you said, Mr. Mayor.
That's all we want you to say.
Well, I'll tell you, it's all in the line.
It may, I assume, be good.
I mean, there's war goals, but the more important thing in California is that the Democrats are bound to have one hell of a fight.
That's what we've always had to have in California.
If you think so, yeah.
How can they avoid it?
Well, they have to, because they're, this is where they're really going to be crunching, that's the one that matters.
Well, as a matter of fact, it matters not just psychologically, it matters undoubtedly.
I think it's going to determine, it's going to be a nominee, and you could very well, yeah, physically give them, definitely decide to have a first ballot, groundwork is late.
That's the way the press is trying to make whatever the pressure they want to do happen.
Yep, that's great.
I don't know if they're going to be able to hold that, though.
Well, we'll know that.
We don't want to ever take him off.
I mean, I don't think that the only way to take him off is to build him up.
Not so much taking him on, but we've got to take him seriously.
We've got to take him seriously.
Yeah, we'll take him seriously.
He's definitely a very, I mean, he's no longer to be considered as an outlaw.
The race lab's out of custody.
It's now must be.
Yeah, I would say it's either, it's either from government or from prison.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, that's what they're saying.
Yeah.