Nixon, Haldeman & Kissinger on Vietnam War and Haiphong blockade

19:15So they say that really it all sorts out.
19:19The guys that are against you are going to be against you.
19:23The guys that are for you are going to be for you.
19:28Maybe a few would be mad about not notification.
19:36So all we do then is we get on the farm.
19:38But we just see that it's so that I go to the farm and I'll see if it's healthy.
20:10Yeah, I think the others would be, the others probably won't.
20:15I'm sure they won't, because the security cannot go through this.
20:21The president must be sure he won't.
20:24Yeah.
20:24I appreciate your support.
20:27And what he has to say requires no explanation.
20:31It's absolutely clear.
20:33Which is true.
20:33It's not like some of the others, there's nothing to do with one.
20:45I don't think a lot of people probably don't see her.
20:48Oh, I don't know.
20:48Oh, I don't know.
21:17He realizes to himself what his own actions are.
21:19Oh, gritty.
21:20He's really not very far away.
21:21Yeah.
21:21Yeah.
21:51The only nagging doubt anybody could possibly have was the one about the acceptability of the song.
21:54We couldn't have weeded out a good song.
22:28But the rest of it is
22:59The boy fell while you were there.
23:29Gary's gonna need that, don't you?
23:32I wonder what day it is.
23:36Did that report that you... walked into a tough negotiating meeting with Fred and Ed?
23:43Well, uh... Father should be back before he forgot what argument he had to take over here.
24:00You see, it's not a matter of how or what credit it's owed.
24:03One of events was Henry Street, the barracks.
24:04He's coming back.
24:31Well, you have suffered the problem, I guess.
24:36But she also, I mean, she was going to the summit without having done anything.
24:40What posture you're in at the summit.
24:45And others, you didn't do anything.
24:48Yeah.
24:48But you're coming out with an agreement of principles while they're still fighting in Vietnam.
25:01It has to sit.
25:02It's working.
25:43Fifteen minutes.
25:44Good.
25:44Half hour.
25:45Three points.
25:45Good.
26:14They haven't.
26:15That isn't their decision at this point.
26:17That was what they were talking about the other day.
26:45St. Fulbright and Stennis say the consensus still seems to be that the vote should be deferred by the end of the summer.
27:18You've got to see where the medium is.
27:19So, in this way, it's falling down here.
27:20If you're at the summit working, alternatively, it solves the problem.
27:22If you're working forward, alternatively, it solves another problem.
27:47So you get a couple days right on that, there would be no reason why you couldn't come back and try to follow on that.
27:57So a way of all, some Vietnam, well, yes, some Vietnam couldn't come.
28:02The whole thing probably would have a real problem.
28:08And the fact that you're being there, they argue, is a bad morale factor for some Vietnam.
28:15And that their morale was one of the
28:20Yeah.
28:20But if you follow the other way, so you leave the summit off, you don't do this.
28:26If Vietnam falls between now and the time of the summit, you can always do this at some other point.
28:42This is something you can set up on a fairly short notice.
28:52The reason for doing it now is that they closed the negotiating contract.
28:54In terms of time, the other reason for doing it would be that they had won a military victory.
29:20you wouldn't have as good a reason for doing it.
29:22You might want to.
29:22Yeah, they want a military victory, so then you're just doing it out of wealth, you know, troops' problems.
29:25Say, if you get out, it's the age of your exam.
29:27But it is, it's no longer a vital act, really, because it doesn't, you know, put notes in his mind.
29:53Well, a lot of times, you know, I don't know.
29:56I don't know.
29:57I don't know.
29:57I don't know.
30:24I've gone early on this.
30:52What happened on that other carton, of course, was a really elegant carton.
30:55Yeah.
30:55I'll just get off and I'll come and write it down.
30:57Yes.
30:57He wrote it down in steps.
30:58He wrote it down in steps.
30:59He wrote it down in Mitchell's steps.
31:01Captain Cannon jibbed it up.
31:02It was a reply to a letter from the carton.
31:05Cannon wanted to do, you know, recommended he do this.
31:07In this case, as I said, not unless Mitchell and Earl, Mitchell...
31:22Well, you shouldn't do it.
31:24The campaign people wanted you to do it on purpose and said you should do it, but we should not release the letter, which we did.
31:32And Flanagan said that you should, that the letter was okay if you were going to send one to the depot.
31:40There was no need to send one.
31:41We were already on record.
31:43You can't, sorry, because we're on record, so if not, we'd have to travel forward to Carleton.
31:49so the right of the letter was sent.
31:51Then, Carlin has to follow up.
31:53He's done.
31:53Unbeknownst to anybody, the Cardinal called Buchanan after he got the letter and said, thanks for the letter, and I put it out to Buchanan and said yes, so he did.
32:02That's when it hit the man.
32:03The Cardinal thought that the view is that, as a result, the legislation to repeal will not pass.
32:11In other words, the Cardinal's defeated his own.
32:14because there's a great high-judging in the New York legislature about the president interfering with their responsibilities.
32:20And I hope it's good for Rockefeller.
32:23It's good for Rockefeller because then he won't have to veto it.
32:26If it does pass, he'll veto it.
32:28If it doesn't, he'll just do it anyway.
32:30But his position was different from mine.
32:31That's right.
32:32But John said he was, John explained it as being a staff error.
32:44We made a mistake.
32:45There's nothing we can do to rectify it.
32:46We're sorry.
32:47We talked about that.
32:48So I thought that's the only thing we could do.
32:50At this point, we can't go in and say it didn't happen because it did.
32:53And you can't say that the presidency made a point that it didn't happen.
32:56It was assumed, of course, that either of us did the wrong thing.
32:59We don't do anything that we ought to do about it.
33:02That is our policy, and we'll continue to do it.
33:14He's a doctor who's fine, you see.
33:15I do not believe he makes speeches for the burden and all for it.
33:17It doesn't change that in any way.
33:18It creates that little problem in the Navy who is actually the opposite of what the burden wants to do.
33:22I don't want to be in the position of the people who are on the burden.
33:24They're behind you.
33:25They're on the world.
33:25They're behind you.
33:26You've got to watch that for the push.
33:44We usually do.
33:45We usually fight those down.
33:46We sure make a little clear to the doctor about hardly anything that he ever does takes on, whether any political thing that he takes on or not takes on.
34:46They forgot about everybody except some of the anti-abortion people
35:14That's one of the rules.
35:16The rock floor said this is a very tough situation.
35:19We've got American clothes at the state capitol today.
35:22Visitors, because of the demonstrations.
35:25Activists, they're all gathered on both sides.
35:28They've got a lot of things.
35:30I'm sure there's different types of strings.
35:32It's a terrible thing for you to do before you can tell everyone what you said to their bodies.
35:43Take care of yourself.
35:45I'm sorry I couldn't get you a phone call at one o'clock.
35:50Father, he wants a message from you from the trees.
35:55And I said, well, he's not this morning.
35:58He's very tired.
35:59He should call me again tomorrow morning.
36:03I've got to tell him to bring it tonight.
36:08Good.
36:14I didn't tell him you decided this.
36:15He said...
36:43should I support the president or should I raise the question?
36:45And I said, I think you better support the president.
36:49Which is our main one, Secretary of State.
36:53Well, I've got a rather undead to ask.
36:55I don't know if you know what he said.
36:58Yeah, he told me that the problem was, he said, I don't agree with it.
37:02It'll work, but I don't trust him.
37:04Well, that's what he told me.
37:05He said it would be against it.
37:10I'd like it.
37:11He will.
37:12Well, if he will, then we can use him to do the gap.
37:22We want to talk to him.
37:23We've got to get through with Washington all the way here.
37:29Bob, Rachel and Henry at last.
37:34You know, of course, it's a time.
37:37No, no, no, no.
37:46the original assumption that we cannot go to the summit with the condition of Vietnam the way it is.
38:00So we're taking this action instead, which will probably save the summit, right?
38:12Hello?
38:13Yes, how are you?
38:14Well, uh, you'll see they're going through the... You know, a bit of a...
38:41Uh, I'm the president of the Council of Maine, Captain.
38:44Right.
38:44Uh, Ken, what I called you about is to see whether we could get that German boat to land for me.
39:01The German boat, which is now set for Wednesday.
39:04Do you think we can do something without getting caught at it?
39:16Thank you.
39:52Pressage from our president, but I don't want to waste the presidential message on this guy.
39:55Good advice.
39:55Good advice, my friend.
39:57Good advice.
40:58I think it's... Mm-hmm.
41:26He's probably the one who would say, there's a constant thing that helps.
41:31I've got to see the president.
41:33I'll call you in about half an hour.
41:36We can get some more talk to him.
41:37I've got to see him.
42:03I felt pleasure about the point.
42:05So one of the premises we had is we couldn't go ahead with the summit.
42:12We had to take this action.
42:14But what if you went ahead with the summit?
42:17And then take this action when you come back.
42:32recognizing that some of the arguments against the summit don't hold totally.
42:36In other words, if Coy fell while we were there, that would be a problem.
42:44But would it be a survivable problem?
42:47If all of the summit did not crumble while we were there, even that could be a survivable problem.
42:53If we pretend that what we're doing at the summit not is pointing glasses at the jury but
43:02are working on the whole structure of World Peace, of which Vietnam is one small factor.
43:07There's still only one factor.
43:09I played with that myself on Saturday.
43:31I played with that on Saturday.
43:39I was playing on Saturday.
43:41And again, if you do this bucket after this, the gun's reaction is going to be more than just a gun.
44:02Quite sure.
44:33But if you do the blockade after the wave and there it goes.
45:02I think that we're going to do the blockade.
45:09I don't say that.
45:12We've got to do it now.
45:15We've got to do it now.
45:18No, Bernie.
45:20I don't know what you're going to do with it.
45:25It's all right.
45:32I don't see any good time to do it, because I agree with you, after they've got the German treaty,
46:04I just think what I mean is that failing to act now means that we would then act only if the situation in South Vietnam deteriorated.
46:17Then the reason for our acting is not as good as it is now.
46:21Now the reason for our acting is not the failure of the situation in Vietnam only.
46:26It's the fact that they've kicked us in the teeth diplomatically.
46:32Later on, you would have only the fact that, well, we've now lost in South Vietnam.
46:38And so we're acting in violence and so forth against this loss.
46:42Is that the point?
46:44Isn't that really the argument?
46:45It is.
46:46It is.
46:51Because there's always a chance.
46:55That's it.
46:55That's Larry's argument.
46:57Larry thinks maybe if we're going to win, we might hold for a moment.
47:03All right.
47:03I'll carry you home for a month, all right?
47:04My son has to eat for a month.
47:06He needs to eat before he goes.
47:06He needs to eat before he's gone.
47:07Don't you want to go home with me?
47:09I'll take it.
47:09Dave, I'll drive you past the maximum number of events you've had.
47:36to the center of the government.
47:38And I think it started to turn not quite off.
47:41Because they made clear the pressure to the center.
47:45Right.
47:45So the psychology for the chances of bad news, the probability of bad news, is bad today in the sense that it comes through.
48:06Particularly the way the goddamn thing was being reported to.
48:12See, it isn't just the bathroom he bought, it's the way that it was reported.
48:18So we fly out to Moscow, even con tone falls, I think, to go eat here.
48:31Now, I'm the one who made it, and he knows I made it terribly strong in the day with these characters.
48:36I didn't want anybody to think we could have the son of him.
48:40And, uh, and I didn't want to.
48:43Well, Connery saw us going behind him, and Connery said after the meeting, he said, well, you have Riser solidly on your side, and he's so delighted to lose the son of him that he preferred me to make that one.
49:01As far as our bargaining position at the summit is concerned, Henry, I'm not concerned about that because we've already made all the deals.
49:10It isn't that.
49:11It's the impression at home.
49:13And it's the bargaining position after the summit.
49:16Maybe we've made some pretty blood-curdling threats.
49:19Maybe it's through that thing.
49:24You mean about Vietnam?
49:26We would have to bargain with Jesus on it.
49:28You know, I thought...
49:31Well, I don't agree with that, although I think that, well, you know, no, no, they aren't going to cancel the summit for bombing Hanoi.
49:46I won't agree with any of it.
50:02But the Northern Chinese will know that all they'll have to do is three or four days, and that is bowing.
50:13No, you can't bow.
50:14I mean, if you play for the summer, you'd have to knock off the bowing in the morning, not on Sunday or Monday.
50:23You just introduce it all because you bowed one extra day.
50:27You couldn't bow one extra day.
50:33The point is that
51:02But I think what bothers him is the fact that he made his own mistake.
51:11The impossibility of having a son with Vietnam down the street.
51:16That had fun every year.
51:18He could make a case that way.
51:30You could all, you could actually argue, go further than that.
51:33You could argue that it's more, it would be, and I'm down to two seats, more important than Edison.
51:41Not from a foreign policy basis.
51:43You've got to, you're saying you look like you can't believe this.
51:49No, I'm not saying this.
51:50I couldn't agree with you more.
51:52I have to believe, but you've got to be neglecting.
51:58That's what he can count on.
52:00It's a...
52:01I mean, it's really a nationalist message that we need to have.
52:10Well, I mean, you know we're putting all on the line.
52:13I know.
52:14I mean, that, that I must say is an overwhelming...
52:16It's probably great for the summer thing because it makes the summer helps with the nationals.
52:22Yeah.
52:22Or going the other way, that the loss of the summer hurts the...
52:29Because he built a good argument that we risked everything for me.
52:37I'm so excited about playing the board games that he did with the son of me.
52:46All right, go ahead.
52:50On the other hand,
52:59They put it to us in India.
53:01They put it to us on the southern stage.
53:04We've been effectual in both places.
53:08I mean, I'm putting it to you cold.
53:11It's up to you.
53:27You know, I really nailed Laird Harville, didn't I, on those tanks.
53:46Son of a bitch.
53:53He did oppose signing the big tanks.
53:57And they had 300 big tanks, and we had 60.
54:00What the hell do you expect?
54:04We sent 60 tanks.
54:05We ordered the last 7% over the director.
54:09And he was screaming like crazy, saying that they wouldn't know how to use them.
54:17Those figures they had were so funny.
54:19Everything was funny.
54:21It was, it was really one of the, when I'm talking to this man, one wonders how he would do it for a year.
54:30Well, let alone three hours.
54:32Well, you, you hear him.
54:34So, from a foreign policy point of view, he just shouldn't do it.
54:39That's the point.
54:40See, Bob, the convention to me is that it was so dynamic for us to go to the summit at this time.
54:49So that's that.
54:50But I can see, I mean, we can make a cold blooded change.
54:54In one sense, the whole thought is that if you bomb, if you cheat this out of the business, you've got to do that money, because you cannot do less than that.
55:05You just order a tax on annoying our boss every now and then.
55:08There's too many of those.
55:09But then you blockade, and you pull the place away from the South, and you lose the South in the process.
55:15That was another argument we used last week with the blockade.
55:18We said it's safe.
55:20It doesn't require money like this.
55:22But the basic argument, though, for the blockers is that if they've ever got a chance to get strategy through, here they are in the ninth year of the war, which they've had.
55:36They've had losses, and now they're saddled with something which is pretty irrevocable for a while.
55:43Because those mines are set for six months, four months, and they don't know that, but they know it's going to take a hell of a long time.
55:50I tried.
55:53We kept them real confused.
55:56Yeah.
56:19They don't cancel the sun.
56:28I think we'll use the base policy on that.
56:35We don't base policy on the sun.
56:40I think there is a 20% chance that they will not cancel the sun.
56:48It's almost inconceivable.
56:50Good God, I mean, Bredman might be in the same position as LBJ.
56:53He might be candid now.
56:55Even LBJ had a chance with her.
56:56I would think so.
56:57Well, William is a fine thing, though.
57:17Let's, let's re, re-look that.
57:19Oh, that... That, to an extent, would satisfy Collins, if he would have done it.
57:32Yeah.
57:35He just wanted to do something.
57:38On the other hand... Yeah.
57:58Nor is it probable that you'll be able to do it one day.
58:05Nor is it probable.
58:10If they've held, then the argument, why do they, would be stronger.
58:17What's that?
58:17If they have held.
58:19What I had is this.
58:22Looking at cold turkey in terms of the South Vietnamese
58:27ability to survive, and Henry all rides on that.
58:34The blockade has a better chance to affect that than does the bombing.
58:42Do you agree with that or not?
58:46That's for me the big thing.
58:49And then it gets back to communism.
58:51If we can avoid it, we must not lose Vietnam, right?
58:58Of course, not even the demon has to find John or Bob.
59:02If we do this,
59:03And the South is, and it still is, we just don't survive.
59:06Because if Robertson totally disagrees with that, Robertson is in a better position to deny it.
59:11Well, I think my view on that argument is that Robertson is totally wrong.
59:16I mean, totally right.
59:17Right.
59:18Because I think that if he left Vietnam, I don't think you're going to lose as much by doing this in this country as you think, just as everybody else used to think.
59:29And I think that
59:31losing South Vietnam without having done everything.
59:34And I see there's been a lot of public discussion about .
59:37If you haven't done all the things that you should do, in the first place, in your own mind, you're in a bad position.
59:43And a candidate for president to try and run a campaign knowing you've done the wrong thing, which you would think you would have done, I think would be a very tough thing to do.
59:57And I think you've got it.
1:00:01You got a better case, you did everything you could, right up to the mic.
1:00:05And I still get it back, Henry, to my point.
1:00:07You don't.
1:00:07I know Larry doesn't care about the field ovens at all.
1:00:11He simply should have it carried.
1:00:14But by God, I think, as I say in this speech, that it was only for the purpose of having a bargaining leverage to get those fuel ovens back.
1:00:22I would blockade them back.
1:00:23See my point, Henry?
1:00:26How else are you going to get it back?
1:00:28That I don't agree with.
1:00:30I don't know.
1:00:32I would just say hundreds.
1:00:34But don't you think it does give us leverage there that we would otherwise have?
1:00:46It gives us leverage to get up.
1:00:51It isn't just who I am, B.O.W.
1:00:55or whatever it is.
1:00:57to 60,000 or 50,000 children.
1:00:59How does it get to that point?
1:01:02Well, because as to where we can at least trade that for gold, we're supposing to something that we would for that.
1:01:18Now, I have, I have become very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very,
1:01:262 o'clock, time's up.
1:01:28We go over.
1:01:29Now, second point is...
1:01:38No, no, no, I want to get the word in the speech and get in the mind of other things.
1:01:43But I must say, Bob's argument is one I was very few to get to decide myself, but on Saturday, I know.
1:01:51It's all a close decision.
1:01:53Now, the other thing, though, is that this thing of Manfield's, and I mentioned that to Henry again,
1:01:59Maybe Henry can brief the leaders tonight or we can do it at the California House.
1:02:03I don't know if that's a good idea.
1:02:05The leaders have a formal email.
1:02:07The Democratic office has formally instructed Nancy to ask for a session with the president and co-leaders and chairman of the reigning members of the Armed Services Corporation.
1:02:22They're holding off on it.
1:02:24on their head in the war resolution.
1:02:26And then the consensus is that they should do virtual after the President's summit meeting in Los Angeles.
1:02:37And so Nancy looks out, has probably called by now, seeking this meeting with the President.
1:02:44We've got to either come back and say the President will meet with the five leaders at eight o'clock tonight, then hear out with a blast from Mo Bryce
1:02:55Maybe even sentence that the president took this action without any consultation.
1:03:02So the question is, should we not invite them all?
1:03:06Or if you don't know what they're going to do, why not?
1:03:13Because they're going to say, so, bullshit, he called us up at 8.
1:03:17He asked them to confirm that he called us up at 8 o'clock and runs out of a TV account.
1:03:26The answer to that is, of course, you have to go through the operation.
1:03:32The answer to that is, why not wait until they go out?
1:03:37You can't wait 24 hours.
1:03:38I suppose that the real question is whether or not we can go forward with the, whether we should invite all of them here.
1:03:48This could go to your place.
1:03:52What this means is you will have one habit of appearing in the locker room and then do this.
1:04:04Why don't you?
1:04:04The other hand, if you don't do it, then you'll be going again.
1:04:34I'll walk out.
1:04:38I don't think so.
1:04:41Thank you.
1:04:57That's actually cool.
1:04:58It hasn't cost us that much.
1:04:59I just think I want to go for the census.
1:05:02I think for briefing, concrete, God would have led us better than I. I'll be decided to do it.
1:05:07I'm not too depressed in anything else.
1:05:09Only reason I say not I is because of this executive.
1:05:13Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:05:16I know, but I mean tonight.
1:05:17Tonight, then.
1:05:17How about inviting more than Mansfield and then a big five?
1:05:20I don't understand.
1:05:21I have a question for you, sir.
1:05:23Why should I call you?
1:05:24I'm just going to talk to him and get out.
1:05:25I think if you do the whole group, you've got to be very man-firm on doing that.
1:05:31You should say what you've got to say.
1:05:34You should say, I would like the secretaries of the men's estate to answer any of your questions.
1:05:40I don't want to hear from the operation anymore.
1:05:44Excuse me, and just walk the hell out before anybody.
1:05:46Don't let go.
1:05:47What did I say?
1:05:47Just a minute, Mr. President.
1:05:48One thought here.
1:05:49You ought to be gone by the time you get sent.
1:05:53That's what I had in mind, out of his mind.
1:05:55Because I do think it would be bad if you're going to get tempted to stay there.
1:06:00I think it would be bad for you to go in the air after going and getting into a hassle with Fulbright.
1:06:05Well, that's the way I did it.
1:06:06I did it left.
1:06:07And I think I've got to do this and leave.
1:06:10And you
1:06:12Should Alex or somebody be there because one, they don't get into it so that it's a legal case for another.
1:06:26And other writers can't handle that.
1:06:29They're going to be killed.
1:06:31Oh, they're going to be killed.
1:06:34Well, writers can handle it.
1:06:36They're not going to get into it.
1:06:38Well, they wrote me that.
1:06:43Well, I really think...
1:07:02I'll do, I think it should just be armed services.
1:07:06I wouldn't have appropriations if we can, can we get, I'd rather not have the author and his appropriations.
1:07:13See, that's the way we get the hell out of it.
1:07:16We don't have appropriations, see?
1:07:18Okay.
1:07:19I tell them, the news, the report we got was that they were asking for a million appropriations in their request.
1:07:30report just says, just invite our services and the rest.
1:07:34We don't have to have all of them.
1:07:39But George Mahon should be called.
1:07:41I went and I dropped in on a dinner last night just to show I'm concerned at Brayton's house in Fulcrum.
1:07:47And they were making very consensual remarks about David Kruski and that.
1:07:52That's nice of them.
1:07:53Yeah, I mean, they were telling me they'd been trying to get the report.
1:08:01Well, you know what we have in this?
1:08:04We have a peace offer in this.
1:08:10We will lift the blockade, and we will withdraw all Americans in four months.
1:08:24That was in a gun spot.
1:08:26Okay, we go.
1:08:27Let's get Bill back.
1:08:30All the other questions is cabinet, whether you... Yeah, I want to pull our people together.
1:08:38I think it is important.
1:08:39Patrick wouldn't mind doing the cabinet.
1:08:42Well, the only problem is I didn't do the cabinet.
1:08:44No, I didn't do a lot of the...
1:08:46The question is whether you want to do anything with them after the broadcast.
1:08:52What I would do is assemble the cabinet to watch the broadcast together.
1:08:55I don't want those guys watching at home and deciding, oh, Jesus, look what he's done now.
1:08:59All right.
1:09:00I want to tell them what you've done now.
1:09:02All right.
1:09:03Get the cabinet in the cabinet room, and I will come in afterwards and meet with the cabinet and say, here we go, boys.
1:09:14Now, if you don't mind doing that, that's the best thing.
1:09:17No, it's fine.
1:09:17It's better if you do it.
1:09:19You've got to have it, Mr. President.
1:09:25Anyone steps out of line, he's got to get by.
1:09:27Because we were.
1:09:30And I think that's what you've got to say today, Captain.
1:09:33Because we're not on an optional course now, and I'm not interested in duties.
1:09:38I'm only interested in 101% support.
1:09:42And it's my balls that are on the block, not yours.
1:09:47Shakespeare.
1:09:49Yes, sir.
1:09:49Captain Shakespeare.
1:09:50You can make it a fair way.
1:09:52A fair way.
1:09:52I'm committed to it.
1:09:54Now, you can go ahead with the notification now and let all of them know the minute the notifications are out.
1:10:24And you give Laird a message saying that now the president expects us not 100% to vote.
1:10:33And then get the bus up together for 3.30.
1:10:38Let me say something.
1:10:41We just have to go forward.
1:10:47I'll do the best I can.
1:10:54Uh, next to you, I've got more to lose than this, than anyone, because this is my home.
1:10:59It's a river from heaven to heaven.
1:11:01Plus we win.
1:11:01We win.
1:11:02Well, the win will be bad.
1:11:06Because then we have to, we have to do the other thing.
1:11:11That's right.
1:11:12So we are.
1:11:13Uh, what do you have on page one?
1:11:15I will put it again, since you forgot about it.
1:11:24All right.
1:11:24I thought it was more conciliatory when you walked out.
1:11:33Well, it's the ultimate effort, isn't it?
1:11:37It is.
1:11:37Well, no, it's over here.
1:11:38We say, where I talk about the Soviet Union, those that are allies are Vietnam.
1:11:49I'm directing it right there.
1:11:53Yeah, but...
1:11:54Okay.
1:11:55Okay, put it in.
1:11:56Fair enough.
1:11:56Well.
1:12:21We wanted a different, we wanted to start better, but I understood that you'd gone over this a whole year earlier, but you wanted an open sentence that just wasn't like the one we had before.
1:12:35I was going to start five weeks ago.
1:12:36I would prefer to start today.
1:12:37I'm going to start that way.
1:12:40That's what I would do.
1:12:41All right, let's take it up.
1:12:42I don't know if that is appropriate.
1:12:47That first paragraph that came out.
1:12:49All right.
1:12:53Let's just start out cold, OK?
1:12:57But we had an invasion that would make it possible for a tank to do another attack .
1:13:10I'm telling you to get this over the roads.
1:13:15All right.
1:13:24Uh, there's more gravity with it.
1:13:27They have to be over 20,000 civilians.
1:13:29Fine.
1:13:30Will that close in?
1:13:32Yes, sir.
1:13:32Thank you.
1:13:55Uh-huh.
1:13:57Uh-huh.
1:13:57Uh-huh.
1:13:58Uh-huh.
1:14:29Do you think we should go any earlier than 8 o'clock tonight?
1:14:31No.
1:14:32An hour is enough.
1:14:38That's all Kennedy gave us.
1:14:42Maybe two hours.
1:14:44An hour or an hour and a half.
1:14:50You'll get it in 12.
1:14:55It doesn't take that.
1:14:55No use without it.
1:15:00I, I think it, I think it, I think it, if it reads faster, it's definitely going to be a little quicker.
1:15:06The only thing, there was one pattern that, that you forgot.
1:15:14You said that it would not be nice then if I saw it in the air, it would be very escalating.
1:15:31It's just a little indignation.
1:15:36It's just a one.
1:15:38It's one.
1:15:40That is nothing, I said, so I've been having this all day, investigating for it.
1:15:45That would go into the bottom page, page three.
1:15:49Yeah.
1:15:50Or it would go into the top of page four before they open it.
1:16:02Well, they're asking for every piece of it.
1:16:04They may escalate the war.
1:16:06I don't know how they're going to do that.
1:16:10But the only, it's really, your people will be saying it's better for me, it's better than mine.
1:16:15I think there's a little rhetoric that says... Well, then, why don't you put it in?
1:16:21They're asking for every piece of it.
1:16:24Well, then, put it in.
1:16:24They have flatly and arrogantly...
1:16:27refused to negotiate an end to the war to bring peace, volunteers, you know.
1:16:32Did I put him, I think.
1:16:34Yes.
1:16:35And your sentence is what?
1:16:38Well, he wouldn't have done it.
1:16:39It's not the United States.
1:16:40Don't put the word nothing.
1:16:57Go ahead.
1:17:2559,000, actually.
1:17:2660,000, if you're hiding under, less than that.
1:17:36There are only 55,000 there now.
1:17:40Well, more than 50,000.
1:17:41The lawyers as well will say 55,000.
1:17:43I've never had any money.
1:17:45Is that what it is?
1:17:49Yeah.
1:17:57But just say 60,000.
1:17:59Let's say 60,000.
1:18:00But that number, we have an actual number.
1:18:09Okay.
1:18:26Okay.
1:18:57Do you want to leave that?
1:19:05I did not send a woman.
1:19:08I have brought, I can't say I've brought over, but I have brought 500,000 homes.
1:19:13All of those families.
1:19:18I wish I could take it out.
1:19:30I will say I have brought $500,000.
1:19:32I have brought $500,000.
1:19:32Good.
1:19:33I will drop the first step of $50,000.
1:19:36Where is it?
1:19:37I will take out the first step of $50,000.
1:19:56It's all right to refer to an American compete, but not say it would be an American compete.
1:20:16It's very good to sell the country.
1:20:19Go on.
1:20:43Incidentally, on the case that we overstayed, you don't mind keeping the weapons of war out of the hands of the others?
1:20:59I think you're right.
1:21:01That's a good question.
1:21:03Well, I would say that .
1:21:04Keep the war out of the hands of the .
1:21:12OK.
1:21:18Now, the term of the hour which I have chosen absolutely must be in what age?
1:21:24Seven.
1:21:24You'd have to say, in that case, you'd have to sing in conjunction with the Republic of Vietnam, in other words,
1:21:48What we need is to go in there.
1:22:21Do you mind if I check that sentence?
1:22:23Yeah, now, ladies.
1:22:26All right.
1:22:28The way this sort of pleases the person, all entrances to those meetings towards will be mine.
1:22:52All right.
1:22:53All right.
1:22:53All right.
1:22:55All right.
1:23:17An anti-rail and other, all other communications will be cut off at the maximum extent possible.
1:23:21We don't have anything in and out of the agreement because the problem is... All right.
1:23:32What is the problem?
1:23:33The problem is in and out of the agreement.
1:23:38Because the fear... Yeah, I get it.
1:23:40People think that you're saying you're going to bomb outside.
1:23:44Okay, I got it.
1:23:45I got it.
1:23:49I personally think this is so tough that you don't need to search for it.
1:23:55And I think that goes without saying, all right?
1:24:06And then on the point, countries with ships.
1:24:11Not ships, you can't know the others.
1:24:13Countries with ships, it doesn't matter.
1:24:14It doesn't make a lot of sense.
1:24:16It just doesn't matter.
1:24:40They would not require surrender, humiliation, or dispassion of any kind.
1:24:47And instead, they would be made for hate, protecting all those wives which have suffered in this lawful.
1:24:58Those are the only comments I have.
1:25:19Okay?
1:25:20You want to take a quick look at that letter to President?
1:25:29You will, huh?
1:25:30I'll get it, Sabrina.
1:25:47You'll get me, you'll get your changes made.
1:25:50Get them to write it so she can type up a copy of the name.
1:25:53I'll do it by about three days.
1:26:57Well, well.
1:27:29as I understand it, in the event of the NNA, which is about to cease fire, first of all, is to rot in North China.
1:27:36And so all other military actions like the United States won't go to China.
1:28:48I must say, though, that that meeting went about as we expected it to.
1:29:18Except I didn't think, I thought Larry McKedge a little more.
1:29:22But he is obviously hard, he doesn't give a damn.
1:29:34But, he'll support it.
1:30:08Don't let him get in the way.
1:33:08Sir, yeah, I just want to check this word.
1:33:11I'm going to, you know, the question's coming up.

Nixon, Haldeman & Kissinger on Vietnam War and Haiphong blockade

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