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No!

Where is it running?

What?

What does that mean to think?

They're right on it.

They just can't figure it out, you know.

What we said there, and I talked Russian to the son of a bitch, you know.

And they all said that we're out in the woods, and I'm calling myself an ocean rat, but I said, you know, your language is much easier.

Well, it, you know, just, as I told you, try to get people to go down here.

When he goes up and down, they cancel a summit.

There could be a lot worse thing.

It's common sense.

A lot of people wouldn't like it if they canceled a summit at this time.

That's right.

That's true.

They kicked a piece in the ass, not us.

But we're still, we're on the right side of that.

Well, after all your, uh, your, your things, your polls began to have any effect on the morale of those back here?

Yes, sir.

Darling, Wilbur Mills did have an interesting point.

He said, uh, Rich, why don't you go?

I know you're having a hard time with the, uh, this difficult time.

You've got to run, you know.

I'm tired of hearing from him.

You see, that's why I wanted that poll to contribute to the Democrats and the Republicans.

They all had a history of .

They may not have been over it personally.

Well, right.

In his office, because they did it personally all the time.

It was on TV last night.

The ORC poll made one network.

I certainly wrote what I had in the Times about the state of the country.

It's important to tell about this, Mr. Editor.

Bob said that Scott looked fine on set number three, right?

I really think this time you ought to do what you should call both you and Bobby Griffin, because both of them, they really did spectacular jobs.

Would you get me Senator Scott?

He's done it.

He outdid me.

One of the questions, Senator, what you're really saying, Senator,

So they gave up all the ammunition?

The ammunition they need.

But Scott, they hit Scott.

Senator, weren't you upset that the President didn't notify the Congress first?

Scott said this was the kind of a matter where if the President had notified the Congress first, they would have run right out and informed those peacemakers who would have been on the phone in ten minutes to not have been.

A big call would have known about this long before the American people.

Also, with the danger of the operation, they lost about 30 planes.

Okay, but that's the solid line.

He made the dirty line.

Would you say how about that?

Would you say we would have run out until the end?

Would you put down, Bob, this line?

I don't want the line to be used.

Just put it plain out.

Those who got us into the war are sabotaging the President's efforts to end the war.

That's exactly what Scott said.

So I said, this is our ward.

This is John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson.

These senators who got us in here are the ones who are standing in the way of sabotage.

He didn't say sabotage.

He used the word sabotage.

Undercutting.

The president's efforts to get us out.

The interesting thing is for them, all three outlets picked up the scouting.

And he used parts of Larry, too, Larry McDaniel.

Now, I'm interested in what they took.

They took that portion of the Larry press conference, and all two of these, and he gave, he almost was a five-point opening statement.

This was the fifth one.

So in their editing, they went right to this point, and ignored the earlier statement, which shows you my quite a lot of colorful lines, doesn't it, Chuck?

Absolutely.

That's just kind of, well, and some of these from Scott and his way of using it.

where he was using words, and, you know, because he, he'd imagined correctly, naturally.

Yeah.

Totally.

He said, he said, we're the apostles of the truth.

Yeah.

And everybody laughed in the press corps.

He said, it's time for us to set this stuff straight.

He said, we're the apostles of the truth.

And everybody laughed, and he draws himself up, and he says, we are the apostles of the truth.

And every now and then, we have to go out there on a television screen and just sort of wipe it.

So the American people could see the truth.

He just, I mean, he and the media could get right off the tube.

Right around.

And that kind of, the value of that is not only to the people, but...

Could I ask you to do that almost really superb, superb thing?

You know, there may be some times you've got some words that you don't want to use, you know, that are a little rougher.

And could you, you know, the phrase may be, remember like you did with me on the plane in 1960?

Would you mind beating the world to it?

Because you see, we don't have, we have good riders on here today.

They are not horrible riders.

Dick Chalkoos, is that all right?

And we'll protect you on it.

But this is now a great, but if you've got a good one, you use it yourself.

But give us your, wait a minute, the table, okay?

Good.

And, you know, you saw that OIRC pole, you know, that was, that's right on the nose, you know, we don't build poles that are totally accurate.

Same thing here also, you know, came out the same thing.

Right, right.

Good.

Well, keep, keep having them.

Good luck.

Fine, fine.

I mean, it must be your kind of radio program.

That's what we're working the campaign organization on now, is not only getting them out, but first of all, getting .

Cider.

He's having his impact.

He said, Jerry, I just wanted to report to you, Jerry, a very interesting thing has happened.

For the first time since the Vietnam War began, I'm getting a hell of a bunch of girls from all over America.

And every previous instance .

But he said, since I've been in the Senate, all I've been getting are calls from the goddamn local troops in Montgomery County calling me to look out in the west.

And he said, now they're calling me from all over the state.

And he said, got it.

He said, I've been running a little heavy from trying to win.

He said, something's happening.

I said, you see, that doesn't affect them.

And you're doing that.

Yes, sir.

I think some of the spontaneous stories you've asked, we can't, we aren't capable of generating as much.

I think it's, I said, I think you're kicking the shit out of the network, too.

Yes, sir.

Of course, we couldn't, we couldn't do it.

I think in this instance,

Just in fairness, the network should not be out of step with the country.

They've got to report.

They've got to report the polls.

They've got to report the public.

Congratulate where they've gone wrong.

Just say that your commentators are going to be out of step with the country.

We don't want to pick the media at all.

Let's put it this way.

What do you think about that?

I think a lot of people have mentioned that .

That's what I mean, people .

And the way they handle it, the way they do this is to call CBS and say, we really do appreciate it.

Right.

You're giving a lot of coverage for an hour exactly.

Right.

Anybody that's got the right name.

That's pretty good.

He won't work.

No, no.

Maybe he made the wrong decision, but he's fine.

Well, he thinks that he believes in a permanent .

He says he prays it works, but he doesn't think it will.

And he wishes the Congress would do it.

Wishes it could be put in place.

Well, he was there last night.

But Howard Smith is going to see him this afternoon.

Here at the upfield poll, the only time to grab a front page story that shows that 53% approved this policy from Vietnam as contrast to 41% 10 days ago.

32% disapproved as contrast to 50% 10 days ago.

Failed to such a point.

As a conclusion to the story question, Nixon has virtually overnight re-won a large major confidence in his policy.

It's going to work, huh?

That's the main thing.

All that matters is whether it's working and it's going to work.

Right.

Well, I appreciate it.

Keep 13 to the fire.

I heard about that, right?

Undercut.

Well, undercut, see, so he wants to kill him to go on.

That's it.

Don't let him get over that.

I've been in Texas for almost 30 years.

I've hated your guts, and I got yours.

If I may help, please follow along.

I'm 54, and for the first time in my life, I would probably vote for a Republican president.

Scott and Herman, those poems.

Oh, you see, uh, repeat the whole thing over.

He was very kind out about that, I think.

You got a church you're gonna have to go to.

That's nice.

Yeah, the minister of the National City Christian Church in Thomas Circle, that big church in Thomas Circle.

That's, uh, that's Johnson's church, is it?

He's a Christian.

You know, a Christian church.

George Davis being an LLV minister.

This is Father Lee Redwell in the area.

Your secretary will discuss your reach.

I want elements here.

Hope your secretary will not take the time to respond.

I considered your address last night to be the finest of your career, and I was even more proud to be an American as I heard you make the very rational, direct, strong, and inconsiderate presentation.

I have believed from the beginning that we have not only the right, but the moral obligation to be in South East State, and as I have stated many times, our trade is both abroad and at home.

Not only once out of Vietnam, but once out of the world.

You may have taken some risk in the stand expressed in the address, but it seemed to me that such a risk did not seem to concern you politically, and that fact added

As you know far better than I, there are no good choices left for us on the international scene, and so we have to select the best of bad choices.

This is, of course, only one last opinion, but I truly believe history would justify what you have to say, and also would justify our position, or would that be a good way to see the important part of the secret protest we have tonight?

I hear you in the thoughts and prayers of many people, but it will have an end to the church in the same day and month, and I hope you do the same.

Christian church?

No, no, no.

You know what the Christian church is.

I mean, you probably don't.

We haven't put it here.

It's a very, it isn't a very large denomination.

Oh, no, no, no, no.

They're not that far.

They're more fundamental than, say, the Presbyterians.

But they're somewhat liberal at times.

But that's Johnson.

Johnson was a member of the Christian church.

This is a nice church.

The old church is not a church.

Oh, sure, absolutely.

Let's see if that way they can justify their problems with this one, the risk to the whole East-West.

You know, I said it best in Tennessee.

He's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's,

They never had it with the Soviets until they agreed to.

A lot of these like to wear out on November 30th.

Congratulations on your verbal decision to protect the integrity of the United States.

Jay Howard and Shirley Evock, parents of a son who did not come home from a second tour in Vietnam.

Our son is just enlisted in the Air Force.

We're proud of him and that he has a commander in chief.

Bakersfield City Council last night by 7 to nothing vote with one abstention on a motion by myself or a council voted as individuals to support direction of Vietnam.

Could a key leader council in the city of Bakersfield?

That's Democrat next time.

Yeah, right.

The ballot, a lot of this is Democrat.

And if a lot of these people say I'm a Democrat, you know, are they quiet?

Yeah.

That person was a letter.

I think we're going to get a lot of them here.

Especially because we, and we've got a lot of college freshmen.

Here's the president of Dakota State College in Madison, South Dakota.

And he's going to voice my support of your policy on the roads and Middle East crisis, more especially the east of our country here in San Diego.

More especially the Vietnam situation.

Further, we should make you a Monday evening television presentation.

National Isle Association.

They are not an inconsequential group, but when they turned their whole machinery into stuff.

They've got 25 people who are making corals.

Cuban educators in exile.

Roberto Espinoza, president of Miami, Florida.

There's a doctor and his wife in Murfreesboro, Tennessee.

Our son reports to the United States Navy this Friday.

We thank God that his commander is a man of such great courage and honor and integrity.

Scottsdale College Republicans support your action.

Totally agree with your great American standing against North Vietnam.

Congratulations to lifelong Democrats and liberals.

Democrats and liberals, that is a hell of a thing.

Here's the president of Central Missouri State, Colin Warren.

I would commend you on the courage to stand and be taken on a Vietnam crisis.

I consider the policy we've drawn.

I know why you're in Washington.

He writes a letter to the Democrats who are disillusioned with the present leadership of the Democratic Party who have an arm-wrestling part of the most expensive national union in Vietnam.

Well, Mr. Farage, I have quite the encouragement to turn that case back on on Christmas.

I was a young girl.

Two roads diverged in a yellow wood, and I, I picked the one less traveled by, and that has made all of it worse.

And she said, as a young voter, I strongly support the very despotic statement that was last evening issued concerning how too few people take positive actions such as we all need to not serve being undressed.

Your positive action, the road less traveled by, will make all of it worse.

Oh, congratulations on your courage.

It's like people stand up Vietnam.

Kitty and I listened to your speech to the American people and to the world this evening.

and enter an award.

It takes courage to win an award.

Thank you for your personal courage and the value you exhibit in causing freedom.

Above all, thank you for your leadership.

That's very important, Bradley.

You know, it's sort of a time to wrap.

That's pretty good.

He was on TV.

What did he say?

He said it was all right.

Exactly what we're going to do is absolutely necessary.

As a matter of fact, why are all the spools coming from the people in here?

He took a good part in the race.

Good part of why.

The interesting thing about these telegrams is whether it's an equal number of interseed coming out of the deal.

They're running the same percentage, 4-1.

The Hill wants a 4-1 in favor of you.

Now, those are getting through to the ship.

That's better than number again.

The hill stays solid because it's getting arched up.

What I think is significant is with all these telegrams arriving and with the polls, at least reading this morning's news summary, the average, almost all of the comments, most of the comments have been from the polls.

and strongly supported the Democrats.

Yesterday, he went silent.

The day before, yesterday, they felt silent.

I didn't know what they were doing.

Yeah.

I don't understand it.

I'm not feeling it.

What about Hoover?

Hoover was very defensive.

He said, I had no intention of being silent.

So I think it's very dangerous.

Yeah, well, Huber said something to me.

Very good.

He said the Democrats are using the same scare tactics against you that they're using against Goldwater in 64.

And in fact, that little girl picked a face and said, oh, he's fine.

But that kind of terror tactic is just as repulsive now as it was eight years ago.

It was slow progress.

And he said it was all of his old friends, the former president, and maybe that's Kevin, are working very hard.

And I think it's very clear.

He sent you with us.

Oh, he's having a rally.

He's having a rally to support you.

God bless the president.

You know, he's been knocking the hell out of us.

He wants you to come to a job.

And he wants you to come and address the rally.

And he said, our whole faith has been the steward.

That's the birch.

You know, he's to the right of the birch.

But, well, he runs beyond the war rally.

He's a leader.

What happened to that prayer table this morning?

They had a lot of other people to do it with.

And they did, or they prayed in the hill, Capitol steps at 7 a.m. on the 9th when that happened.

The purpose of the vigil was to pray for the poor, the needy, the needy, the needy, the needy, the needy, the needy, the needy, the needy, the needy, the needy, the needy, the needy, the needy,

The only place yesterday that the peace groups made really much of a show was in Wisconsin.

Terry, how long ago was that again?

Madison.

Yeah.

Nobody got killed, though.

No.

Good job.

What did they do?

We got it at the Sturgeon's.

I don't know if you can do that, and I think I'll throw out a ransom.

They look so crappy.

They had a lot of film demonstrated on the TV last night.

They're such crappy looking people.

It's the people you want that are in the street.

It's not the good wholesome Americans.

They look crappy and they were shouting 1, 2, 3, 4, we don't want your fucking lawyer.

They're not getting the moderates to join them as they did before.

Two or three marches before, they allowed middle-aged suburbanites to be kids.

I don't think so.

They have to deal with things as an emotional spark, and the emotional spark is on their side.

And I'm not sure we're going to handle this in Kent State.

Kent State is alive.

You still get that thing.

He feels that he, you know, I mean, he should be with me today.

So I just hope that he's very concerned that I'm here to be so bad.

And what kind of crisis is he in exactly?

Well, he's going down to do the business council Saturday and then he's going to testify on Monday and Tuesday and he wants to have a press conference tomorrow.

The purpose for the meeting would be to be on the Soviet response.

Right.

He feels that, well, that's what's got to be decided.

He feels that his press conference, that he should make clear, first of all, that we're not doing this, we're not doing that.

No, but what we're doing is in accordance with international law.

We should answer the Soviet charge.

They did a lot of false things about high seats.

Then, and this is the worst one, he thinks that we should, that he should do the positive side.

He said, no, Larry did a very good job on the tough side yesterday.

And that he should now pitch the reasonable side.

And then what he wants to do is hit the Congress on the basis that they're trying to enact legislation now that it's already taken care of by the president, and the county should be applauding the president, the president's work, and the legislature.

He wants to be sure you fully understand your view.

I have encountered the side of that that's pitching just how good the president is already.

You see, our theory is,

He wants to know what

The other thing I really want to get

If we want to go that way, we can get the Senate to move immediately in the House within a few days to approve, to give you the fund file, and there's no problem.

To say none of these funds shall be used to finance any other action.

And then they put in exactly the

It's offensive military action.

I don't think it bothers me.

Yeah.

We can hold it over England, Mr. President.

We're not too present.

I think the Russians are fine with it.

And the onslaught of our ability is...

The beauty of the polls is they're gone.

I used to be able to run out of steam, but I'm terrible at it now.

I'm going to go with the flow.

Johnson will be in with me.

Well, all things in terms of, frankly, the main thing we've got to remember is we've got to win the war.

And if anything, it doesn't mean we've got to fight.

We've got to win the war.

Mark, there's an influence.

There's an influence.

I want some more of this one.

Is he better than me?

Yeah.

Why in the hell did I get fined?

They, they struck me trying.

I said, we don't, we don't, we don't, we don't, we don't want to put stuff on the fence.

That lost somebody.

What if somebody hit you in the neck?

Are they hammering you?

Let's get back to work.

Probably.

That's totally an argument.

That makes, like, a lot of sense.

Right now, that is, that's a great issue.

That's a great issue for me.

Of course, I had a bit of a busy week last week.

I had a little more than 15 minutes left.

The main thing is, she was just a little bit of an extended mother to me.

She's got a subtle effect on people.

She's not even close to making any sense of stuff.

I had to finish a program down at the school page.

I had to get to the school page, share it, and put it down there.

And I was just a little bit, a little bit stupid.

It's a very rough attack on the agency.

I think they were crossing those, quote, network executives and editors who were running, you know, the amount of propaganda they were putting, putting propaganda on here.

You know, they're insisting putting propaganda.

It's not necessary.

He's working on a special... ABC is heavy for an hour.

Thank you.

I think the big part of it was carrying on.

Carrying on the entire Ziegler story, and not having a common story.

Finally, I was paying attention to the response to this Ziegler's story yesterday.

I don't know.

Reinforcements.

You're the president.

What would you give up?

Yeah.

It's been going on for a long time.

Last night, we were in the cold, so I got a video.

Nail count.

We're in the program count.

Backwater figures.

What was going on there?

I don't know.

Thank you.

I'm telling you, you have to hang around.