Nixon, Kissinger & Haldeman on Vietnam War and Soviet Union

3:12:08Keep up the good work.
3:13:44And file.
3:13:45Not that you can't drive.
3:14:32The two spans are completely down.
3:14:33So was the first span.
3:14:34But they're going to get the other spans tonight.
3:14:35And so they're littering the bridge now.
3:14:36I don't think it'll be possible.
3:14:37And now another bridge over there.
3:14:38So that all the loading stock is now trapped between these two bridges.
3:14:40And they're going to go get open tonight.
3:14:41The bridge on the other side tonight can trap all the loading stock in there.
3:15:45I was just at a convention and they knocked out the manager of
3:16:26April sent a cable and said, General Vogt is the best in the town.
3:16:29He's put in three squadrons of that.
3:16:30And I think that's just Vogt.
3:16:31Oh, no, Vogt knows what we want, Mr. President.
3:16:32We don't let the drum last for that.
3:16:33And he's doing it.
3:16:34I believe so.
3:16:34Newport Newsbook.
3:17:18I think we're going to send them this time, Mr. President.
3:17:19I think we've got these cameras.
3:17:20We've got those laid behind us.
3:17:22I accepted them yesterday.
3:17:23The next time from the press conference, the press conference to set the channel is over.
3:17:27But not if they're like passengers.
3:17:28It's not even our interest to talk to the press.
3:17:53They are absolutely rejecting the theory.
3:18:23That's what I thought, too.
3:18:24It was a question.
3:18:24Did we start with the interference in Chile?
3:18:26Yes, everyone, every expert in the government, you used it so very moderately.
3:18:28The Chinese have been bad at it.
3:18:29What is the situation?
3:18:29I don't know.
3:19:06One of the things that's happened to Matt is that Matt and I thought, let's start at 10 hours before our because we do something.
3:19:10Which means, in other words, that our because we just try to respond to hitting something that would run into them.
3:19:13Well, they stick up because we do hitting.
3:19:14And the North Vietnamese were so panicked that they ran.
3:19:38Our guys planned to have knocked out 25 hands here at the club.
3:21:05Now, if they're preparing a massive blow, the reception is so great that it must be overcome.
3:21:08And I can't quite seem to do this, but how will they do it?
3:21:10Have they got the resources, nor have they got the examples?
3:21:12What are they going to get?
3:21:13Unless they have made a secret deal with Hanoi,
3:21:34The public statements on behalf of Hanoi, I believe, Hanoi can not make any comments.
3:21:36We have to get, I'm sorry, I'm wondering if we have to finish your last show.
3:22:29Well, it can't be.
3:22:29He's told specifically what he's supposed to say and what he's not supposed to say.
3:22:32He shouldn't have a dress count.
3:22:33There's nothing but trouble that can come up with a dress count.
3:22:36Well, but the... Well, I don't like to have one, but you...
3:23:09legislation and all that the President's made a very generous peace offer, and Congress should be supporting the President's peace offer.
3:23:13Well, you got it.
3:23:14All right, now, if you don't want to do that, you got to face the fact that he was telling us that, which I already started, that he's got to be told that on an authoritative basis, that the line, right, that we don't want that.
3:23:25The legality of both the foreign and the Russian
3:23:53It is not worth thinking about the issue of what we will never do.
3:23:55I don't think it's necessary either.
3:23:56We might want to have a... And I've said what there needs to be said about the peace office.
3:23:58I think we are now so well positioned that we ought to keep quiet.
3:24:22You can get away with that.
3:24:23I don't think you want to say any more about the peace offer.
3:24:25Because that softens the position.
3:24:26I know Bill.
3:24:27He will interpret the peace offer in such a way that...
3:24:28He will.
3:24:29He'll phrase it to the Scots.
3:24:30He'll say, they'll say, well, does that mean they can stay in place?
3:24:32He'll say yes, or he'll say something close to being free.
3:24:33He gave a map of problems in Saigon last month.
3:24:54People were confused and not confused.
3:24:55And we really don't need it.
3:24:56The next problem is he's got to testify on the Hill.
3:24:57I'm not very much a business counsel.
3:26:45I'm just going to declare this notice.
3:26:47You just got to say no.
3:26:49No, Mr.
3:26:49Ambassador.
3:26:50I think we should say the president is going to campaign for this meeting.
3:26:56He's studying for the summit.
3:26:58And he's going forward.
3:26:59And we're going to do everything we can to avoid incidents.
3:27:04Your ship's serving that sort of mission.
3:27:07I'm actually a victim of the president.
3:27:10The defense that I can do is...
3:27:21summit because of you, to stay at the summit.
3:27:22What you said this morning, that was very powerful.
3:27:23Because it went beyond the big pattern and it showed the reality.
3:27:25The rest of it, I think, having waited three days now, having protested privately on the ships and on the other side, which was the army, I think
3:28:08Well, we have to stop noise of the 20 paddlers for a week.
3:28:11I would say.
3:28:12That's no problem.
3:28:12But we'll have to work.
3:28:14We have knocked out most of the bridges by then.
3:28:16We'll take them a week, and then we start again after the day.
3:28:19My God.
3:28:19I mean, just reach.
3:28:20When you're talking about this, I'd say, where do you want to go?
3:28:22Where do you want to go?
3:28:39I just don't like to go spend my waste my time every other
3:29:07Because basically the thing that kept it from being ratified is that Brown couldn't produce a medical issue.
3:29:11But if you want it.
3:29:12But Brown's position was that the Americans don't want to graduate.
3:29:14But so said, how do you know?
3:29:36No, but you see, another move we can make, Mr. President, which I thought of, or thought of today, was to meet you in Moscow.
3:29:38We could call for a plenary, Harry, to present you to a plan.
3:29:39I don't know if it was prepared, but it is.
3:29:40I have something in mind in Moscow.
3:30:13I don't know, I meant it.
3:30:14Well, I don't think you do that, because I think people will think you did something and will just let you try to discuss it.
3:30:17Well, if you have a plenary that week, you can have that.
3:30:19But we'll present it on Friday.
3:30:45without instructions.
3:30:46He didn't directly talk about the summit.
3:30:48He was very careful.
3:30:49It was implied throughout.
3:30:50But all of what you said is going to be done at the summit.
3:30:52You know, Sam, we're not going to be ready to direct until they cancel the summit.
3:30:55And that's for sure.
3:30:56None of this can happen on that same summit.
3:31:55And if the Russians were mining the harbors of Iraq, and an American minister was sitting there smiling along with Russia, I don't think the Shah of Iraq would get the sense of very support from us.
3:32:00If they're mining the harbors, if we start yakking about it, it should succeed.
3:32:25We had a regular, we had, I don't know, Thursday lunch with Landry Summers, and I told him, you know, I'm going to have a good time.
3:32:28He said, yeah.
3:32:29He said, really, I have a lot of business we're going to go over, the communique and the principles, and a lot of odds and ends.
3:32:31Why don't you get Rodgers in and just tell him that we,
3:32:51Well, he wants to know what's the line that he wants to know.
3:32:53All right.
3:33:18That president is going to give you credit.
3:33:20Well, we've got everything out in town now.
3:33:21That's where you want to leave it.
3:33:22Then they'll say that I just turned this up.
3:33:24By Monday or Tuesday, they'll have this thing.
3:34:21They're going to cancel it.
3:34:23They would want to do it with the maximum humiliation for you.
3:34:27Because they're going to hurt you.
3:34:30They know they're going to screw up their own position anyway.
3:34:32Get the most out of the place.
3:34:34I think we have a problem going from now on.
3:34:47I think you can take the hard action, but not because of the science.
3:35:17They're trapping themselves.
3:35:18They have trapped themselves into racing everything you've done up to.
3:35:42You need a sub-insert if your whole building is structured for sub-insertions.
3:35:45And they can freeze the hell out of them because they think the more they build out, the more they hurt you by saying, do rapid.
3:35:49In the process, they're pointing out that you build them too.
3:35:52So, if it stays on, there isn't going to be any big acclaim for the fact that it stays on.
3:35:55But if it builds,
3:36:12except that it will really strike consternation in the minds of our critics.
3:37:25Either that or he's letting his friend work for Williams, which he's probably more likely to do in his position.
3:37:27He went, he had Bob Semple in and told him all this stuff about how he was the guy that did the consulting with you on the side.
3:37:31That's a big problem.
3:37:32He doesn't, I can't believe he did that to them.
3:37:33I'm sure Semple asked him to do it again.

Nixon, Kissinger & Haldeman on Vietnam War and Soviet Union

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