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Yes, he closed it.

Close it, please.

I'll see you later.

I'm going to check.

He's not around?

Yeah, he is.

You never know.

It's hard to bet you could be faking.

Oh, oh, oh.

That bullet neared his spine.

I'll find out soon.

Maybe not a pal-a-dell, it may be worse than she knows, but a pal-a-dell is the way to go.

What do you think about a man hitting a shot on a shot on a bucket?

He could be.

He recovers.

He recovers, he's going out and shotting again.

People will want to take a very good shot and prefer their language.

I don't think you're going to want him to campaign.

You've got a hell of a problem.

Well, Colston, God damn it, you've done it again.

Screwed up my week.

He's got me money for it.

You're going to have to be handed people.

You tell them to rub up Wallace a little bit.

You know, how often am I saying the Bible?

How often am I saying it?

I don't hear you, sir.

I said it this morning, that's what's so frightening to me about this.

It really hurts people up.

It's one of the amazing things.

It's one of the amazing things that somebody has tried to assassinate.

What does it do to make him a third party candidate now?

Well, I don't know what it does.

He's alleged to be a spy.

That's not certain.

Well, we're not sure.

They don't know.

One report is that they're operating now.

He's got three wounds.

One in his right elbow, one in his upper chest, one in his lower chest.

The lower chest, here's the liver and lodge near his spinal column.

You can't tell him it's not a center, but he is now paralyzed and leads down.

Well, he's a gastroenterologist.

He's the best kind of specialist.

Let me ask you this.

Now, can you really compare anything to Pat Gray?

I want to find out who the son of a bitch is in China.

You know, who is this FBI secret service?

Can you get a hold of Rowley?

The president wants to report on who it is.

We just got a name.

Ken Russell just got a name.

Yeah.

Did I ask you where?

J.F.

Rowley.

That's Rowley.

The president is here.

I'd like to have a report on who this man is as quickly as possible.

Before they cover it up, you know what I'd like?

If you want to be done with that piece.

Oh, I think it's likely that he is.

Could be one of the same people.

Well, they wouldn't shoot that many bombs.

No, they would have shot him before, you know.

Well, I think that's enough.

There wouldn't be someone like people shooting themselves.

It's too easy to kill.

Oh, I think the guy, the guy has to be a son of a gun.

I just don't think it's the right point.

Yeah, I like that.

Silly, I think it's Kennedy.

where it was really the left wing rather than the right wing.

They tried to make out what was on it.

But the right, they blamed the right wing even though it was the conference.

But how the hell did you do that?

It shows you the twist of the story of the college.

Well, at least one thing, the last couple of days, Chuck, Vietnam has been a little better.

Sure it has.

It may not hold, but you know, if it is better, what we did did it.

Change of morale.

Absolutely.

I don't know if you can ever get it across to these sons of bitches in the press.

They're all saying, that probably not going to happen anyway.

They were down for two.

They made too much of a case before.

The week before, Newsweek, Life, New York Times, couldn't have been worse.

We've gone through the days.

It was over here.

They'll document every single statement that they've released.

It really makes no point to do it if you see what they were saying.

The thing is, the buildup over that week probably would have been a deceit.

It was never a deceit that I made, and I'm more comfortable with it now.

Even if it had lost.

Right.

What was interesting was the fact that I asked Bill and said, I don't know, because it was so awkward, I don't know.

But that shows that he smells what that means.

Are they going to undercut the president before he goes to Russia?

Hit him hard, he's going to Russia.

Are they going to undercut Margo Hunts and the FBI?

You know, this might be it.

I think we've got these people.

We're going to squeeze them now.

I don't mean to say, but I think we're going to squeeze them.

The stage was so beautiful, the media went down to do some of these closets.

Now that they realize the media grinding their teeth now, it's hard to really show you this.

They can't quite figure out what's happening.

They can't quite hate the fact that the Moscow church is still on.

Almost as cold as the matter is.

Well, I opened the blue room, but I didn't have shaking hands.

This is what it looked like.

I thought this was all a false story to get you out of bed.

You see, Clark was living here at five.

They didn't get it.

It'll never happen again.

I swear to God.

I make it up.

No, I, the President, none of us, unless we can, will ever be in the White House again for anything.

Anything.

I agree.

Let's see.

I want, I want now.

Oh, this year it rolled down this much.

In whose custody is he in?

Calm down, I want him to question right away.

Who's his lawyer?

I don't want to give it to your people.

They're your people, aren't they?

No, it's a...

It's a terrible thing.

We never let her know the details on this before the press set up for it.

Yes.

Stand by for the company.

Okay, watch that.

They're going to get us a full run and listen to him.

He has to be the head of the police.

fears and suspicions.

Yeah, I know about that.

The thing now is the identity of the assailant and all the particular times before they said, wait, I was there.

I didn't have right of way.

Ford knows where he's going.

The big question.

You don't know about that.

I don't want to get away with this this time.

They are to report to me directly.

I don't want to read it in the press.

I don't want to hear it in the radio.

I don't want to report it.

I don't want any cover-up.

You know, this could be like Kennedy then.

This son of a bitch probably is a dumb bastard, you know.

He is dumb as hell.

We've got to get somebody over there right away.

Get early, Bob.

Get early over there right away, Bob, to work on it.

Don't you agree?

The Secret Service will pop this up.

They do everything.

It isn't that they're not investigating this compared to the FBI.

No, no, no, no.

It's the Secret Service.

There's no federal modeling.

FBI, this man ain't here, so they can be sure.

I thought we changed the statute.

Yeah, yeah.

Get the FBI.

Order at my direction.

The FBI goes in.

Certainly, even the President can order them.

I'm directing them on the suspicion that it's in.

I have no confidence in the Secret Service, Bob, and you know it.

I've never had that.

You've got other bases.

We're at one band.

The Secret Service official was shot.

He's a federal official.

That's right.

That base is linked to him.

How much confidence do you have around him?

It doesn't make any difference.

I'll direct the FBI.

I'm directing them.

We've got to get going with these things.

Is he on top of these things?

Tell him to order the FBI into that damn thing.

Don't just sit at it.

John?

We are not getting much out of the Secret Service on the BSA on the President's concern that- On the FBI right away.

We need to know who it is, what's going on, and all that, because the FBI ought to be working right away.

Yeah, Crowe over there had a question.

Who's he talking to, Monday's team?

Okay, question now.

I just had a comment on this, and I'd love to hear what he's talking about.

Earlier, yeah.

John, just let me interrupt you a minute.

You remember the horrible screw-up on the Kennedy assassination.

We don't want to do that anymore.

Rowley will know.

He's going to accomplish it.

He knows.

He's carrying it.

We don't have anybody to say what it was.

I think you're a white house man.

I know you know perfectly well yourself.

get over there and question this son of a bitch right away before some communist lawyer or somebody gets on him.

You see, we ought to know.

Now we've had two hours of these shots.

Where is the son of a bitch?

Yeah, but what in the world should we know here?

We're asked every minute.

All right.

Would you take charge?

You take charge.

You're to order.

You order these people.

I mean, first of all,

I have no confidence in secret service.

Order the FBI into the case on the ground, any ground.

A better option than to order them into the case, they go out and call Pat Gray, tell him to put in 100 FBI agents if necessary.

Find out.

Now, John, you get over there.

You get over to, and you question this man yourself in the direction of the president.

Fair enough?

I do order it.

Why not?

So what are you going to do then?

Well, can you get Gray to do it?

All right, Gray is better.

Gray is better.

Get Gray over.

But what I meant is I don't want our people questioning him.

I do not trust these incompetents of the Secret Service.

All right, if you tell Gray, I want this is his first big case, he personally is to go over and question this son of a bitch.

Fair enough?

Good.

Okay.

Uh, I had the president just talk to her earlier, and she'll be calling you on, uh, whether Patrick is getting the FBI into this, and we're concerned about not getting the identity details on this, uh, getting the identity and details on the assailant.

I'll be coming.

Okay.

Uh, hello.

Dick.

You probably have forgotten the Kennedy assassination.

It was a secret service.

It wasn't a wipe-out.

It will be a wipe-out this time.

I have directed the FBI to get to this case because there was a federal law that was under the Presbyterian Reserve Plan, John's second one.

The main thing is to get somebody over there, I think it should be Pat Gray, and if not Pat Gray, yourself, on our side, who gets in and questions some of the batch before they left-wing press and rescues and doesn't, I mean, yes.

What are they doing?

But my God, you mean nobody can go in and question me?

Why not?

Because of Miranda and all the rest of them?

We've got to find out the situation in place and we've got to put in there to see if a lawyer

He said it what he is.

Does anybody know anything?

All you're dependent upon is the Maryland police.

Now, good God, we've got a better FBI, huh?

What are they doing?

What have they found out?

But the three teenage boys were doing something, too.

Yeah, but I mean, this was the teenagers, the child.

Well, the thing that we got here, Goliath was a 35-year-old man.

Incorrect, they were teenagers, huh?

All white.

That's the point.

You've got to be sure.

Let me say, the first news must not be in the Washington Post.

Just make sure that, God damn it, be sure that the FBI gets there before they do.

That's all I ask.

What are you going to do to sleep next?

Okay.

Jesus Christ, they're so screwed up, they don't know what to do.

Now it's teenagers.

I was a 35-year-old.

This is funny.

It's a story.

You said that word is much better.

It doesn't have a good sound to me.

I don't know what I'm talking about.

Is that crazy?

It's crazy.

Absolutely crazy.

President Hill claims to get on it and get Gray out there and get moving fast.

Yeah, but I think... Mike is going to try to do a thing for Lamar.

He's going to claim that he's going to do anything for Lamar.

And President Hill is going to be assassinated before the fight tomorrow.

And they will have made a story out of it.

He's the right-wing guy.

All right.

Okay.

Erdman.

Erdman sees this problem.

Does he have any confidence in the Secret Service?

So, actually, I don't have any confidence at all in Rowley, but I do have some confidence in some of the Secret Service.

Oh, I agree.

But Duncan, if I recall, he didn't do what I said.

Rowley?

Well, Rowley says that they had to...

a guy named Arthur Bremer who purchased a gun in Milwaukee, and he's identified as Arthur Bremer, and a gun purchase, and I can check that.

And he's, they've got him at Prince George's Hospital in the Czech Republic now.

And, uh, right off, he's in the jurisdiction of, of both, uh, Montgomery County and Confucian Secret Service.

Bob, Bob, you've got to tell Earl that the Confucian here will kill us.

We must get that to Confucius.

He's responsible for that.

He must have described it.

He says, it's not really on.

I can see that.

He's talking to the Galileans.

Well, I don't know.

He got Miranda.

He got these other names and all that.

Does everyone realize that he's responsible?

If they got Miranda and all that, they could still put a solid armed guard around the guy and hold him in a row and don't let anybody else at him.

Well, Miranda, you can only care about it if you worry about me.

Well, the hell with Miranda.

The main thing is somebody from our shop has got to get in there.

That's what Klein used to get through his goddamn head.

What did John do?

What did John work on?

I don't know.

Well, anyway, it never goes.

Jeez.

Did you know the way to do it?

No, I have to go.

I don't know.

What's your analysis?

I think it would be

The injury is not serious, as far as he will be.

Otherwise, he can recover in time.

He can't pay.

Now, after this, he can stay in all the way.

Third party.

Why don't you agree with me?

What's that thing?

Even though he's got that little branch, this makes it smaller and not bigger.

Scares the shit out of him.

90% of the people, it stimulates them a lot at 10%.

And because of that, he won't be violent.

As a matter of fact, Bob has made a point.

I think a hell of a lot of people will be afraid to do it after hours.

They won't go in there.

They'll get shot.

That's right.

What it does, Mr. President, is it makes it clear that he's a radical polarizer.

I'm sure he is.

I'm not sure if it was Bobby's case.

Bobby was shot because he was a non-dan polarizer for the same reason.

Same thing with Robert Kennedy.

He could get away with things if they were in Wallace's hands.

Now, the New York Times tomorrow will blame, some of them will blame me for it.

Because they blame us on gun control.

That's the way the attack was going.

But we haven't done enough on gun control.

Of course, there are damn good answers, but that's the only way to do it.

That's our, that's the one area that's in trouble.

What in the hell if we don't have gun control involved here?

It depends on what that gun is.

What they call a Saturday night special, which you can buy.

for 25 bucks, then they'll save you the negligence of legislation.

That would be the point.

That would be the line of defense.

He's not going to recover.

If that went through his liver, his liver, do you think the liver makes a difference?

Sure it does.

The liver, of course, makes a difference with everything else, but does it with a bullet chunk?

It depends on what it does to it, but if it went through that far,

It was fired at close range.

That's not a lot of damage.

It has to do with, it never started at .1.

It was a hell of a lot.

What kind of a gun was it?

.38, .45, .62, .22.

.22, well, that's not a .22.

God, you can't even tell a goose with that.

Well, how close are you?

And where it is?

You ever say, oh, you know, I've got a sickening thing.

It's that goddamn McConnery.

to take some planes to come back to see him.

Now, isn't that any more of a nice thing?

I'm not going.

I call her on the phone.

That's good.

I said to my doctors, I'm going to call her on the phone.

I made a little statement out there, but I'm not going to go out there.

You've covered it now.

You shouldn't do it anymore.

That other stuff that said the very old grandstanding,

Yeah, and I think most people see through that immediately.

I mean, when Humphrey said, take me to the hospital, he was like, for Christ's sake.

Every single one of them.

They stayed in Wallace all over the state of Maryland.

That's raising these hatreds.

Well, everybody knows that the last thing you need at a hospital when a guy's in some serious condition is a bunch of more people calling you.

Right.

Secret service agents.

Like when they wanted you to go down to Houston during that Apollo 13.

The worst thing you could have done is go down there and screw up the rescue operation.

That's right.

No, I think people see through that, baby.

The political cause, Mr. President, is that these guys have been attacking Wallace.

They've been calling him all kinds of names, having, offending his factors.

They, however, you're not.

You've never, you've ignored it.

You haven't said, well, I said a nice thing about it tonight.

Well, you did when you were in, you did when you were down with him in the, however, that started this case.

So you will not draw any of the eye of his people, Mr. President.

You said nothing nice to keep his people happy without saying so much that you make him... No, I told him quietly.

I said, well, he's a fighter.

We all admire a fighter.

I said, he's got courage.

He believes his convictions.

He believes them.

Well, I said, I think he's going to get up.

He's going to be running against you next November.

Is that what you said?

Today?

Yeah.

She was kicking the pocket out there.

Yeah.

Let me say, there is any other person in this century except T.R.

who would have done

What you did, the best thing we did, what I did a week ago, Monday night, with no support, a week ago, I spoke to you about this and that.

And Tom is right.

He's right.

And I am, too.

And nobody else.

And all of you, bringing it around to the Hill, and Brock, and Larry, and all that.

But it not only was the right thing on the merits, Mr. President, but even though you couldn't foresee it, it brought the country together in the right way.

You think it did?

Yeah, absolutely.

Well, if it didn't, it's okay.

It was the right thing by God, and we did it.

Well, I think it did in a way that it kind of knows if it works.

It's going to work.

Well, don't worry about that.

I'm confident of that.

We're going to screw these bastards.

And then we've got to crucify them.

Believe me.

These saboteurs and the rest have got to be crucified.

This is the time.

There ain't no way for the Matthiases to come back.

Believe me.

No way.

Or the Persis.

He's never going to get back.

If this works, Mr. President, this is when you get on the ground and you push your heel right through there.

They don't deserve it.

No.

I don't think Matt Mathias and Chuck Bush do a little work.

I'm going to Moscow.

I'm scared to death.

Well, Mathias, when he called me, he said, he said, you fellas have sure done a fine job.

I said, what do you mean, Matt?

He said, well, I never would have believed that you could keep the country in the mood it's in right now.

I said, well, Mathias said that?

Yeah.

You see, where you fooled was that you put your case across very easily.

That's right.

That's the money.

And the people responded in a way that the Doves still brought back to Cambodia.

They responded then, but Kent State intervened.

This time they did it, thank God, against Kent State.

That's right.

And, of course, bigger now because they did a bigger thing.

Well, what's the thing?

We've let go of that case up to this point by ordering the forthcoming piece of... We've done everything.

We've done everything.

And that was the prevailing strain that sounded all across the country.

And what more could anybody expect us to do?

The American people, well, we've offered ceasefire, EOW, but we will not impose the communist government against the liberal people.

That's the only thing we have in our government.

Do you want to do that?

So they're on the side of communism, we're on the side of freedom.

Who the hell could be on that?

Is it going to disagree?

The American people can be pushed just so far, Mr. President, but then all of a sudden they'll step on their backs and that's what we've done.

I don't know if that's a very good sentence, if you don't think about it.

Do you want it?

He thinks about you.

He's worried about me.

Don't add to the secret service in Russia on this trip.

No, I don't give a shit what those bastards say.

They're wrong.

Same as place I can be, it'd be in Austria and Russia and Iran and Poland, not us.

That's it.

All right.

Get him the hell out after Austria.

I don't want a lot of Secret Service around me in Russia.

It would be the most horrible thing to have that big open car riding behind me in Russia.

Believe me.

That's not going to be done.

Do you understand?

We don't need it.

Nobody shoots anybody in Russia.

You ever heard of that?

Only when they lie.

Have you ever heard of a guest that do what they did to Kosygin?

No, sir.

It won't happen in Iran.

It won't happen in Poland.

Now, we're not going to have the Secret Service have 150 assholes out there bothering me.

I'm going to be done.

I'm sorry.

That's understood.

That's what we did.

Well, it's hard to figure.

God works in this mysterious way.

Who in the hell did this?

It's probably a lot.

You've always got to figure something's going to happen that you haven't thought of or that you wouldn't.

You can't say, well, Chuck this morning said, Chuck this morning said, oh my God, somebody's going to shoot him right now.

We've just been talking about it.

Do you have your staff in here?

No, I just said, I'm working back to the meeting with the president.

I said, all right, God, please, it's amazing so many things.

He is a radical.

He does rank them up, and he does it on purpose.

He stands up there, you know, winding it up, building it up higher and higher, hitting the point he has demonstrated.

He still does rank like an organ.

All right.

And relishing it.

Well, he loves it.

He concedes it.

Incidentally, Mr. Wallace is an evil man.

He's an evil man.

And I think it's lovely, and I think McGovern is too.

Because if McGovern believes in evil, Wallace uses evil, that's the only difference.

You know, there's another thing, Mr. President, that made that Wallace, and that is that he's been the most security conscious of anything.

He carries that big bulletproof, bulletproof, that he may have, he may have said, you know, this game.

That made us scared.

Because, you know, once there's an attempt with it,

He also remembers another demagogue from the South, Julian Long, was shot and got through.

They're going to kill him one day.

Maybe he keeps it up, I don't know.

That's the reason why I think maybe he may not go on.

Because whatever happens, by the way,

unless he just doesn't care he ain't gonna get the vote so now he's not that he's not that kind of an idealist he's out there because he wants to stir up the crowds to make the money he found out about any of that but one of the things I wish for this attorney to say to him is why?

because of Aaron?

yeah because he has fright in his soul that's why he

We often said, you know, I hate to see the church tonight.

Excellent.

We have an idea.

I just ordered Joe Conley, and I directed it.

He called the little bastard while he was in my office.

Conley was bringing it.

Huh?

Yeah, do they have the food, please?

Yes, sir.

We have it.

Thank you.

Just for... What do you have?

Oh, we have our ham.

Ham, I think.

Ham.

For how many?

Oh, for two, sir.

Oh, you've got two, you've got enough for three, or just two?

Two, but I can get one right where the other one's at.

Wow.

He's in great spirit.

You've got to end this right.

You know, that's the whole question.

What's the story about the three teenagers?

He knows we've got the right thing for all of them.

And he's great that you've graduated.

Who haven't I seen?

You've seen him first.

I've seen him in my office.

and we'll go off and we'll go off and we'll go off and we'll go off and we'll go off and we'll go off and we'll go off and we'll go off and we'll go off

The other thing is, how are we going to do that?

The Secret Service has no knowledge of three teenagers at all, can't figure out what the hell they're talking about.

They've got another place for him.

Yes, sir.

This is a guy by the name of Arthur Bremer from West Michigan Street, Milwaukee.

He has a previous arrest on November 71 for carrying a gun in Milwaukee.

They're interviewing him now.

Secret Service, FBI, and Prince George's police.

They had to treat him for an injury because he had a severe head wound because a Secret Service agent hit him over the head with a gun.

And they've taken him out.

Now they're interviewing him.

CBS had a, they had not released his name or identity to the press.

CBS had a picture of him.

They picked him up in the crowd.

15 to 35 years old.

Something around 30 to 35.

There is God damn it.

The attorney's job is to know the God damn thing about him.

Now, the Secret Service is reporting that there was a

Okay, they say that the assailant is Arthur Brampton.

There was no walking by that previous rehearsal.

They had a good regard for that.

It's coming from there.

We're doing it now.

I'm scared of the police.

Again, he'd be treated for a head wound first because the Secret Service ain't going to get him on the bed.

And now they're going to get him on the bed.

They say they've set up adequate...

If we haven't heard the damn thing, let's show them.

For the record, for the record.

Okay.

That's all right.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

Okay.

Okay, good.

Good.

Yeah, I'll see you in a minute.

Okay.

Well, that's one report that we just didn't have on the working level in Europe.

I'll bet you we'll find out.

We cannot let the Bureau.

And, look here, it's 7.20.

I'll bet you shot four or three hours ago.

We don't know 8.00.

I'll bet you.

I don't know.

I don't know a damn thing.

I don't know why the Bureau would have any hesitancy at all just getting ready to do that.

We've got to, we've got to, it's a legal basis.

Right.

Clindy's just very unsatisfactory.

Well, we've got a strategy, but I suppose that wasn't the problem.

Well, Kleenex doesn't have any knowledge, but the Bureau does, fortunately.

He got away with Gray, or was Gray off to vacation?

No, well, he's on his way back from Connecticut, but he talked to Bell, and they have a crew over there, have had a crew over there for some time.

Do they know they can report to me here directly on the phone?

That's the thing I want them to know, that I am watching it every hour on the hour.

You get ahold of Gray and tell him I want him to report to me everything he knows.

John, what the president would like to do, and I guess what else we could do, is to have a periodic report that he's done every 15 minutes directly to him.

I've got a bell calling to just give him a periodic report.

It says every 15 minutes, right?

Whenever they have something.

But certainly if we have problems, we don't want to read it in the paper.

There's John on top of it.

Mr. Bell from the FBI will be calling the president from time to time this evening.

You should put the call to him.

Thank you.

He's been spending too much time reading the New York Times again, I think.

He's got four kills, busing, and abortion.

Three interests, I think, in exactly the opposite of the other five.

I don't either.

I think he does.

You know, he gets more likes.

You know, basically, Rockefeller gets conservative on foreign policy, but he has liberal and conservative policies.

He's got people around him that are liberal as hell.

He gets conservative near the election time, because I think he reads the polls for him.

Basically, he has people around him.

He goes out to Manhattan with the goddamn establishment press and

i said i've just checked my schedule 75 for all the appointments that i've had and all the meetings i've attended and been present with the businessman and i said yes

The crime came on this decision.

I received three telegrams.

One from you now.

One from us beyond.

The other one I can't remember.

And I received universal support from labor, except it wasn't mine.

Well, where the hell were they?

It shook the hell out of me.

Pete, of course, is not a very strong man now, I'm sorry to say.

He wouldn't stand up, you know, for Christ's sake, he wouldn't.

Did you understand it?

But Pete's got the little man, he runs with his fucking crowd.

He doesn't understand toughness and strength because he grew up in a liberal atmosphere.

He wants to be, he wants to be, but Pete, you know, he skis with them and asks them and runs around with them to other places.

Good God, when do they realize it?

The businessmen are part of the establishment.

They're part of, and they're no worse, meaning they're worse, because they know better.

The professor, you can't blame.

The college professor, you know, the college doesn't care.

But the businessman knows better.

Not that Pete is buying on the issue, but he said, Christ, you should have gone to the business council.

All he does is, I said, how many times have I been to the business council?

I've done it.

Eight times at the men's president.

And they have never supported me once on anything.

Never.

And everybody in the staff except I was opposed to going this time.

Why?

Because they don't support me.

We've got to understand.

Poor Kendall, you know.

I said, now Don, let me tell you an interesting thing.

It shook him.

It really got to his heart.

Why are you married to me?

He said, because he would recommend me.

I said, that's right.

You wouldn't be a married man.

They don't respect you.

if you came up the hard way.

Well, let me tell you somebody else.

I said, let me tell you about a couple of guys you know that the business council wouldn't expect.

There's a fellow named Walt Cage.

He's not a very rich man, but he's got $60 million in cash.

See, there isn't a member of the business council who has as much as Cage, and none of them will give more.

There are five and ten, five and ten.

They're the rulers.

Let me tell you about another guy.

These were $150 million in cash.

There is nobody in the business council in England, won't you say?

They shook Don, because he'd been down there, and he'd been romancing his son's place in the business council.

And also, it was good to hear Pete here.

Pete has grown up with all these people, but the silver spoon was gone.

But he's never had to work his ass off.

Not ever.

And he had no guts and no strength, except, you know what I mean, he had to go through IT&D, which then they're destroyed.

Why?

Not because he's a weak man.

It's because he was growing up in a weak environment.

And I am getting sick of these people, Bob.

Kendall came in and said, he said, nobody's told me how much time I have.

Well, Christ, I thought I had.

So he took 80, I mean,

55 minutes and I had it finally drawn out.

He really said nobody told me.

He said nobody told me how much time I had.

And I said, man, I hear Pete sitting there.

God damn it, that's Pete's job.

You know, Mr. Bristol, they're not businessmen.

They're professional managerial clients.

I told Don, that built him up.

I said, Don, you started as a...

guy running a little truck and i said you did a hell of a job and he had don kendall's a hell of a phone he's definitely strong etc but let me say i have no respect for for nelson rockefeller's brother david i have no respect for the whole god damn crowd in the business council they shared bill rogers like because bill rogers talked about peace peace

What this is about is war and winning a war.

And I don't know why we can't get it across to some of our staff.

God damn it.

This is not a soft line of administration.

Does anybody understand me?

Huh?

Yeah.

I know they're also here running around, crapping around, saying, Jesus Christ, isn't this horrible?

No, sir.

No, Schultz said, and I saw it, noticed he was all right.

Schultz was great.

I saw it.

He was out there wrestling.

On the first second, Schultz was the one who said, let me call George Meany and set him up for Henry Kissinger.

And Henry Kissinger called and set him up for you.

You called him in Georgia, and he came out.

He said, well, you arrested me.

You got arrested on a daily basis.

Did Simmons do all right, Pitts and all the rest?

Brennan, they could have all got Brennan.

Brennan's boys were fixing it up with the protesters and passing out, so I didn't get arrested.

One of them, two of them, spent the night in jail.

You didn't get arrested.

Yeah, but they had some money.

They did.

That's why they were arrested.

You know, the Wallace thing will stir up the heartache, won't it?

But the other thing is that

You'll never persuade the hardheads that this isn't part of the county's plot.

Otherwise, it is.

I think it is.

Well, we've got to strengthen our own staff and kind of harden some of these groups and take the research back.

Well, I agree.

When I signed the little thing with Christ in the present, I had to do it a hundred times.

I said, God damn, we could have done better than that.

Crackles, sapphire, and the priest all around.

Jesus Christ, they got a real, real battle to the finish with the enemy.

The communists and the enemy.

The press are the enemy.

Great Christ doesn't understand.

The press are the enemy.

Zipper doesn't understand it.

Oh, yeah.

Zipper.

Well, maybe.

Where's Sapphire?

Sapphire kind of does that.

Climb?

No.

But Sapphire's view is they're the enemy, but the way you, because they're an ever-present enemy, that you can't...

You know, his is the rocket attitude.

Suck around and kiss their ass.

Suck their cocks.

I don't know.

No way.

It ain't gonna be that way with me.

I ain't got nothing to do with it.

What do you think, Chuck?

You agree or not?

Oh, I agree that, yeah, I agree with that.

You destroy it every chance you have.

In a way, she helped him destroy himself in many.

Remember this, I don't know whether you've got the wrong credit, but the point is, be sure you've got all the memos I sent it in, and follow up, ruthlessly, toughly.

Don't take the climate that destroyed us in 1960 and 1962, and frankly, there wasn't power number 58.

The press is the enemy, period.

Do we all understand that?

I sure do.

Alan Curry should not do...

He's got to do the book.

He's got to do it in this book.

He's a real estate agent.

I don't know.

A book like this.

A book's going to take too long.

I think we've got to think of a good article.

We can do both, but I think the article we can get in.

Yeah.

Send him out with it.

Oh.

Right in.

He's agreed to do it with Roche.

Yeah.

I don't know what's going on.

Right.

And what other do you follow?

We follow two more.

OK. OK.

I'm sorry, I better run.

Yes, right away.

Perfect.

All right.

Chuck, I have sat here for three and a half hours since a man was shot.

And I haven't heard one goddamn word about the man shot.

Now, this is a terrible affront to be inclined to each other.

Well, we can't do it because of this.

And Pat Gray is all fucking around up in Pennsylvania or Connecticut.

We've got to have more control of this thing.

By the end of the night, we're going to be goddamn guilty of not following up with George Walsh's assassination.

What do you think?

I think that's very important.

Rob, the other thing.

Tom, you're calling for the president.

get a hold of Luke Cash and say, I want an immediate report on his physical condition.

And get up in front of him and get off his fat ass and report it immediately.

I don't want any crap.

Okay?

You know, don't worry about the prosecution.

What they do worry about now is the identity of the people and the way the press is handled, so this doesn't come from them.

I was another telemarketer.

Very bad at the time.

Very bad.

It looks like we don't know a goddamn thing, and we've got to get going.

All press.

Screwed up again.

No, he says he's got them all.

He insists there are two other people.

Well, apparently he does.

They've got two in jail, plus the one in the hospital.

And the two in jail were involved.

He said, the justice guys in the jail were also involved.

Is he conservative?

They didn't shoot them.

Well, I don't know.

So what?

What the hell did he have to do?

What the hell is Piney to do about acquiescing?

Well...

You can't do that because they're illegal.

Well, somebody else will get caught.

No, he's got a problem.

Because they are in the custody of the Maryland police, what he's trying to do is keep anybody from getting to them and get them secluded, get them protected, and get charges against them, which they've got.

U.S. attorneys have got charges.

They're solid.

And then he's got to turn over.

He's got to work with the police to get his agents out of the hospital and jail to seclude him.

The Kennedy thing was scripted.

because nobody's really worked on it.

It's three and a half hours, and I haven't learned a goddamn thing, and I'm supposed to be the man in charge.

I don't know a damn thing.

I don't even know what the poor goddamn Wallace is alive or not, do we?

Well, he was.

Well, that's a half hour.

Don't get right over it any time soon.

Now, look, we really got to get a hold of him.

He's the early man in charge.

I'm going to talk to this person now, because he knows about the findings of the program.

I hope you really think Roger's next.

I mean, I can't do it this week.

I'm so busy.

We've got an arena.

We've just had a big break.

Don can't be so recorded.

We've had hundreds of calls.

Scores of calls.

What do you do then?

I ain't gonna call him.

Okay, will you handle it?

Well, I agree.

You'll have the time, but I don't have the time to call Rogers to tell him he's a great young businessman, which I'm sure he did.

Thank you for the recall, Stuart.

Right.

Our problem with Rogers is the question of his going to Poland.

He is absolutely dead determined that he has got to go to Poland.

And so I guess we... Ah, yeah, go.

It's an attempt about that thing.

So, again, I...

I just couldn't understand it.

And he's going all around, well, we're going to get another flat if I'm not there.

And I said, well, you don't seem to worry about not being in Iraq.

And he said, well, all is different.

He doesn't want to be in a row.

I'll send him to Poland.

So I guess we've got to, for Christ's sake, he isn't going to be on this plane.

He isn't going to see me, period.

Because, God damn it, I'm sick of this bullshit.

I'm really sick of it.

I'm sick of the Kendall thing today.

Bob Pete is not a strong enough man for that job.

He's a sweet guy, a nice guy, and at times, very often, when he gets strong, he gets in trouble.

He doesn't have the soul.

He doesn't have it.

It seems to me that we are running into a very great problem here.

I've been here for four hours.

I haven't had any report with regard to this condition.

And my niece said it was a 32-year-old man, and I now understand that it was a 32-year-old man.

I already don't know.

Nobody is questioning it.

Nobody is there.

I'm simply going to surround the jailer and be sure he doesn't get shot and arrested.

Now, John, this is being handled in a terrible way.

You've got to get competent.

I'm ordering you to get competent right away.

And my niece, don't let that goddamn rally have any of your doings.

And Pat Gray is on an airplane.

He's been up in Connecticut and all, you know, up in his beach or whatever the Christ he goes to.

He came out of it.

But we have got to get a hold of this thing.

Do you understand?

The record is being made now.

You may not understand.

Did you ever read the file of the Kenzie thing?

I mean, it's the three hours afterwards, and we haven't done a goddamn thing, but I'm sitting here waiting, and I don't know anything.

Do you?

What do you know?

You see that one is deeper, I think.

Yeah.

All right, so what I mean, I don't want his safety, I want to get his.

Yeah.

Great.

John, you stay, you stay right on them because, right, right, I want you to do it because if I'm not here, you do it, but keep the heat on them because don't let us make the mistake that we made at the Kennedy Center.

And the, you know, that's not good, it's not necessary.

You don't realize the force of this, because that loose is trying to be strong.

This fellow is a goddamn demagogue, a hate-monger,

to met those horrible horses, and we have got to be doing the right thing, John.

That's what you've got to understand.

I know the New York Times will understand this.

Your staff will understand this.

The six lawyers have resigned from the Justice Department.

The back that we appointed will understand it.

But for Christ's sake, let's understand it.

Okay.

All right.

That's, of course, the other side of it.

The Wallace followers are going to expect us to have...

federal agents all over this country tonight to track this down.

They're going to want revenge on whoever did this.

Which is another reason for us to be pushing Gandhi and Hart.

It's too bad, you know, that bureau, Mr. President, the bureau's a mess.

It became a one-man show in Hoover.

Now we ain't got anybody.

We've got poor Gray up in a fucking airplane.

Oh, Christ.

Well, it's not his fault.

I know, Cindy.

On the ground, fighting this out.

That's what made good.

He was out whenever the action was.

Yeah, he was there himself with the machine guns.

Well, they're getting great.

I think once he gets on it, he'll start tracking us from his background.

We know where he's from.

Wisconsin.

He's 22 years old.

I just had one of my fellows check the University of Wisconsin.

He's not from there.

I'm really crazy.

I'm only 22 years old.

Well, he must be one of these goddamn new directors.

And let's get that out.

Let's get out the idea to get the word Vietnam.

Sure.

Absolutely.

Call somebody and tell them, I want to know what it feels like to work in Vietnam.

Now, tell them early that that question must be asked, and I direct it.

I direct him.

I direct that he must find out what he thinks about the war in Vietnam.

And I want that within 15 minutes.

Ask the son of a bitch.

Let me know from the other journalists, please.

They won't do it, Chip.

They have no goddamn brains.

None of them.

Yes.

Oh, yes.

Yes.

Okay.

No license.

I get you.

Thanks.

It's gone.

Now, Bob, let's talk to him on this one.

I'm going to check right now.

I think that's a car.

It is.