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Bob, is there?

I'm going to call in Peter Lawson or somebody who did something to the effect that the first report of the interrogation indicated that a Beller, a Kennedy person did what he did.

Everything's going to, rumors are going to flow all over the place.

Put it on the left right away.

Can you do that?

Who can you put it to and how can it get out?

Okay.

Must get out fast before they pin this on the right wing.

Yeah.

What do you have?

Chuck?

But he's the one to do it.

Lukacs says he's still in surgery.

But one bullet.

That's the problem.

It went through both walls of his stomach.

I think it fell back.

No, I'm sorry.

One ball went through both balls of the stomach, brushed by the kidney, hit no other vital organs.

Liver is okay, you're right.

It's not hurt his liver.

It's lies close to the spinal cord.

They can't, they don't have it yet.

The x-ray shows it's close to the spinal cord, not in a vital area, according to the x-ray.

He can't feel any pain from the spine down.

The root care says you can't assume anything of that.

That could be a shocker at this point rather than anything else.

And they don't really know whether he's paralyzed or not.

He's back.

He's taken five or six units of blood.

He looks reasonably good.

He says the outlook is reasonably good because there is nothing that isn't.

There's nothing they can find that is preferable.

And he's 38.

He's 33.

What about getting out the idea, before the right wing, or the left wing, or the right wing, of a government supporter, or a government candidate supporter, or a candidate supporter?

Well, I said that, I just said to Mark, though, this guy's a man out there now, you know, behind us.

has taken over the case completely from anybody else.

I said to Mark that I had just heard from my office that there was some rumors to this event.

We checked that first night when they started questioning.

They went into that immediately.

to get to somebody.

You can't defend the equity of the house.

We don't have to receive that report from over at the hospital.

Get the defendant report.

Get a report to Clawson.

That he said he supported Kennedy and McGovern.

Yes.

You see that?

Of course, he's convinced us he's the one who called the University of San Diego to tell him that.

But in other words, let me say that they think that he's going to retire now, huh?

Or that I should.

No, no, we'll catch this.

Well, he says we're still on surgery, so we can't be sure.

And they haven't actually got the bullet yet, so they don't know exactly where it is.

The x-ray shows it was here in the spinal cord and not in the bladder.

It didn't hit the liver.

It did not hit the liver.

All right, but suppose this now comes out of his chest.

How do you see it?

It can't be.

You get a great emotional level for a moment.

If it's about his right, the more I think about this person, that it will scare people.

That this man could be subject to an assassination attempt.

He obviously is around.

He'll get some of these birds.

But it will frighten people after the first wave of sin.

Be sure to pin the assassination.

Just try to pin the assassination.

Look, we play the game of the smart group, Jim.

They have pinned the assassination of Kennedy on the right wing, the virtues.

It was done by a communist.

And it was the greatest hoax that has ever been perpetuated.

Can I respectfully suggest, can we pin this on one of theirs?

Don't you agree, Bob?

Sure.

We know Donald Trump is going to move the story in a hurry, but so is the student.

Right.

He's a revolutionary.

That's easy.

He's still going to be worried about that.

He's 21 years old now.

I wouldn't say he was a supporter.

Just say he was a supporter of McGovern and Kennedy.

Just put that out.

Just say you have it on unmistakable evidence.

They've got to release the rest of them.

I said there ought to be a record on it.

Screw the record.

Just say he was a supporter of that and that and put it out.

Just say we have an authenticator reporter in charge.

The thing is, tell your man, Rossum,

This is a hot tip, and give it to somebody who's a friend.

I'm a friend?

Yes, I do.

Okay.

Bob, the moment you get out of the business of whether to communicate it or not, you're dead.

What about Bob?

I don't know what I'm thinking.

I'm just trying to get to that.

Well, I hope you try to get me.

Eric, we've got you.

Don't worry too much about that.

Yep, they've got his identity now, so we ought to be able to find out something about him.

Oh, bad shot.

Thirty-five shots, thirty-eight.

Thirty-eight's a pretty good gun, isn't it?

I don't know nothing about it, but it's a big gun.

Thirty-eight would kill people, kind of.

Twenty-two would kill people.

Yeah, I know it hits.

You've got to hit it pretty straight.

Thirty-eight, though, was a hell of a gun.

I had a .45, a Navy, I didn't have any shots of that, except for the .30 caliber, your usual...

I really thought Kamaleo was very good in this sort of, you know, he's good at the immediate things, isn't he?

Okay, yeah.

Hello, yeah.

Right, Mark Bell just called and said that.

And that no one will unless they've got control over the thing.

He's got a question tonight, tonight, tonight, tonight.

OK.

Yep.

Okay.

What he's saying is the same thing.

He's confirming that no one's talked to him enough about anyone having him.

As soon as he's fighting the prairies, as soon as he's able to talk, they will get him.

No, but they're good.

It's not like they're... One of the concerns is to let the press or the local police or somebody else get him, to get him worried about him.

We don't have any control over him.

You sell it to him?

No, I don't.

You sell it to this fellow?

Of course.

Of course he's a student.

And I said, of course he's from Wisconsin, and he worked in McGovern's school.

That's what we're doing.

Okay.

I said, I'm sure he doesn't.

He doesn't.

You don't have to sell, do you?

He's having a good time.

Oh, yeah, he does.

He's a hard rock student.

But you know what?

I'm going to.

The Children's Brigade is going to blame us for stirring up the country about the bustling in Iraq.

We're responsible for this whole goddamn thing, what do you think about me?

There'll be two lines, Mr. President.

One is, why should our country sit and, oh yeah, Hawaii is, and we have a full strategy together.

That was the instant the government reaction.

Apparently today.

He's already said what a terrible night, but it's just an indication of what a sick country this is.

The other line will be that I'm delighted this is a 38, because this guy is not.

38ers, they don't buy those.

It's not a Saturday night special.

Anybody who went out and bought a 38er.

I think I did the right thing to call Conley in order for Kennedy to be protected.

Kennedy was so bad.

The mask was ruined.

I think we, I think as far as Wallace and I, he's going to think we're all in our 40s.

You think he's really frightened personally?

Yeah.

Any man who carries around the personal security that he missed has been frightened from the beginning.

He knows he's got to be on the web.

He can't whip up the information.

I think he is, but that's just a thought.

I mean, that's not a thought.

He carries the person's security around him to build up the excitement just like this.

But he also, as Bob, he's got to have in the back of his mind that Huey Long was shot there.

Same kind of person.

Then you don't carry around that steel building.

I don't carry around a lot of state buildings for a man.

Not that building.

Once you're running that ground, he's right in there in the building.

I saw him in the building.

Who else was in the ground?

Boss.

He just walked off.

Just walked off the place and walked down.

Well, not one thing I want to tell you.

Secret service is not going to be helped on me when I grow up.

I've got to take the risk.

I've got to do it.

I must not be afraid.

We have to connect.

We must not fear, be afraid, or be...

Yes, sir?

Otherwise, I should resign and go to a government

You agree or not?

I agree to a point.

I'd like to put this thing around its course.

Why are you letting me out?

The point is, and I absolutely confess to this, putting more secret service on increases the danger of the president being killed, not decreases it, because it stimulates all that stuff.

And they can't stop it.

You've got to go like this.

Like this guy, who is willing to take a .38 caliber gun and get into the middle of a crowd and shoot at them.

Basically point blank, blank, blank, blank.

There is no way to stop him.

I'm going to send somebody to the studio.

This guy fired five shots before anybody got to him and he has full Secret Service protection.

He had 20 Secret Service men there.

He hit 20 men and hit one agent.

He's got 50.

50 assigned to us, 20 all the way under you.

Hello?

John, how'd it go?

But how'd it go at the reception that day?

And didn't Pat Handler show up or anything?

No, of course he didn't.

Right.

I think it was, I think it was good I went, but you know.

Maybe better, I don't know.

I didn't think it was right, I don't think it was right.

I'm glad you're done.

How about Nellie then?

She's the actual host.

Ah, let me put her on the phone.

How was the room, Nellie?

Well, that's great.

I want to tell you that if you're going to write your notes, let's say it on the phone.

You got a minute?

That, as you know, when I had this announcement with John tomorrow, I just apologized.

But by God, we do appreciate what you've done.

You've made great sacrifice.

You've done a great service to the country.

I know that it's been terribly hard, too.

But by God, I want you to know that I'm going to send John to Latin America right after I return to Moscow on a little trip.

And I want you to go with me.

You're going to be here next.

I'm excited for the country.

Colombia, Brazil, and Argentina.

If he wants to add a country, it's okay.

The main thing is I want you to go to those places.

These are all countries where they've got God and protection.

Okay, John, I just told Nellie the countries we're going to send you to, three, Colombia and, of course, Brazil and

Okay.

Alright.

Yes, of course, you can call me any time.

Okay.

Okay, Jordan, good shape.

Tilly brain is fine, as you say.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to...

We've got it all stirred up and covered.

I think you've got all of that covered, but if you want, you've got it under control instead of everybody passing around.

Right.

at the end of the eye.

The Bureau has complete control of it now, so I think that they could just talk about it.

As soon as they can get in and start questioning him, we'll do it.

We'll do it.

Yeah.

We'll do it.

As soon as they can.

They've got the picture early and hit him, and he also told them he was holding them.

institutionally responsible for the guy's safety.

Also, the judge for me ended up chucking him on that.

And I'm going to go to the acting director for you and let you go.

So in the room, as we heard, he said, oh, my God.

He'll take you to court.

And we are trying to cause him to put up with what he's done.

Right?

And we know that's going to move very fast.

Now, if they want to continue the reports, well, yes, I want to know about his condition.

Anything about his condition, I want to know at midnight, you know, okay?

After that, if you want any report on the FBI interrogation, oh, hell yes.

Anything until midnight about any of those things, I need to know, because I've got to be a compliment to the other one who said he didn't care.

Very good.

As soon as they can get in and start questioning the game, we'll do it within an hour.

They've got the picture of the hitter, and he also told me that

responsible for the guy's safety.

Also the job information.

Ended up chucking him on that.

And I'm going to hit go, because the acting director really liked it.

There you go.

So in the room, as we heard, he said, oh, I got it.

He'll do it.

Now, anyone continuing the reports?

Well, I guess I don't know about his condition.

Anything about his condition, I don't know until midnight, you know, okay?

After that, we'll see what happens.

Do you want any report on the FBI certification?

Oh, hell yes.

Anything until midnight.

About any of those things, I need to know, because I've got to be a compliment to everyone who said it.