Nixon, Haldeman & Sanchez on Watergate scandal and John Mitchell

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2:51:58And he had more state visits here.
2:52:00Because he had all those travels.
2:52:02But I had 20 years.
2:52:02But I had to try so to keep him traveling.
2:52:07But China, you see, and the Russians, they add a dimension to ours that his and no other president will ever have.
2:52:21It can't be repeated.
2:52:23Well, the only president that they don't think that can be compared with it is, of course, the warriors, Roosevelt, visiting all the Potsdam, the Quebec conferences and all the rest.
2:52:34Even so, that was before you could get around the way you could get around Roosevelt.
2:52:38He had some major visits on the end of his sentence, but he didn't have the extent of travel as you would have liked him.
2:52:52John has spoken to you about the American problem.
2:52:56The question I ask is whether I really ought to speak to you about it, after what I've written about it.
2:53:03Well, it's different.
2:53:05I actually worry, not so much because of the effect on me, but because of the effect on him.
2:53:10And on her, too.
2:53:11I don't want to see her hurt.
2:53:13Did you talk, you did talk to her, but I remember you talked to her, yeah, you did, after the election, about coming down here.
2:53:21And you made the point that it would be good for her to come down here and get in the limelight and all that.
2:53:26And it was.
2:53:27You were absolutely right.
2:53:28Because during her basic years here, she's done damn well until we got back into the campaign.
2:53:34What the hell caused the trouble in the campaign?
2:53:39I think the main problem is it takes more of John.
2:53:44He spends time in the campaign than she does.
2:53:48She wants him home.
2:53:49She wants him home.
2:53:50He has to be traveling.
2:53:51He won't take her with him.
2:53:53Or he did, as an attorney general, because he, you know, took it at a slower pace.
2:54:02Part of the stuff, there was the ceremonial stuff.
2:54:03She was a star.
2:54:06There was a lot of fancy stuff going on.
2:54:08He's not on the list, I'm sure.
2:54:10There's a lot of power lists.
2:54:12No, but I mean...
2:54:14It's not the embassy.
2:54:15He doesn't go to all the embassy balls anymore, probably.
2:54:17Even if they're invited, he probably doesn't go, because it's a waste of his time.
2:54:22His attorney general thought he should be.
2:54:27He's got any alternative to lock it up.
2:54:29There's no way.
2:54:30Unless he can put a keeper on it, a community keeper.
2:54:32No way.
2:54:32But I don't see how he can do that.
2:54:34People will get out.
2:54:35Well, this way, this is blowing now.
2:54:38It's getting pretty big.
2:54:39Destroyed.
2:54:40Great.
2:54:43Well, yeah, if they run their stuff and throw it on their bed, they're sticking it in the middle of their behinds and that kind of stuff.
2:54:47It's a lapper off a little bit.
2:54:48I would raise the point this morning that he was concerned about the potential.
2:54:52We're nowhere near where we could get to potential problems on the other end.
2:54:54What are we doing this time?
2:55:14We use this as a basis for Mitchell pulling out.
2:55:18You have to fix everything all over the floor at the same time, so it can kind of put a new structure together.
2:55:28This is going to turn the other off, so Mitchell pulls out, so it's still with the former attorney general and your former campaign manager, and they're not going to let up on it.
2:55:39This is the manager now.
2:55:40And then,
2:55:44The only way you can do that is to hang someone.
2:55:46Say, well, I had a day, and that's why I didn't hang her.
2:55:48I'm not going to do that.
2:55:50I won't do that.
2:55:50I won't.
2:55:51I should lose the election.
2:55:52I don't think you can do that.
2:55:54You wouldn't.
2:55:55You won't let me do that.
2:55:56No.
2:55:56You'll control it, brother.
2:55:57Oh, yeah.
2:55:57No.
2:55:57I'm sorry.
2:55:58I'm sorry.
2:55:58I'm sorry.
2:55:58I'm sorry.
2:56:11You know, what you're supposed to have to eat to remind you what was going on, you know what I mean?
2:56:16It's the same with us.
2:56:17We know that.
2:56:17In comparison with our limited resources in that area, we use the same people for a wide range of things.
2:56:23So you've got them all.
2:56:24You've got cross-ties, interleaving and all that.
2:56:26That's where you...
2:56:39These guys were only on this lane.
2:56:40We could cut them loose and sink them when they went out of the train.
2:56:44I mean, they've been on IG&T and other stuff.
2:56:48Blackpool.
2:56:48Apparently a lot of stuff.
2:56:50There's stuff I don't know.
2:56:50We don't have much left, but I can go with the lines run.
2:56:54Right.
2:56:54Any other candidates?
2:56:57Yeah.
2:56:57Apparently this is part of the apparatus that's been used for some of these surveillance projects.
2:57:11There's various lines of interruption in the whole damn business.
2:58:09I don't know.
2:58:38Emotional people movement.
2:59:10I don't know if anybody would care what was happening to the Democratic community.
2:59:16There is one glimmer of hope, apparently.
2:59:17One of the things that might be a possibility is that there's apparently in their photographs the stuff that they were taking.
2:59:33They have some documents, photographs or documents that were at the Democratic Committee there that classified the Men's Department documents.
2:59:39In fact, that's true.
2:59:39They've got a tender case to go on.
2:59:41I don't know if these people knew that something was, that CIA agents or something, something was going on when they were...
2:59:46I don't know if those doesn't depend on papers from Jack Anderson and a lot of things like that.
3:01:38I see a good step back.
3:02:31No, just because you waited until you get into the campaign and then are pulling out a device you haven't used for a year or a year.
3:02:36You're set up to do it last week and this week.
3:02:38You're not into the convention today.
3:02:39You're into a big congressional mishmash and wrap-up.
3:02:41You're going to have to go into that.
3:02:43Does that seem to extend to your question?
3:02:44Is that a public question?
3:03:03A couple of columns.
3:03:26Let me say this.
3:03:26Let me say this.
3:03:27John on that is over-sensitive anyway.
3:03:31If the magazines around cover stories on it, they don't make that much difference anymore.
3:03:36Does John realize that?
3:03:37No.
3:03:38It's only in this town, but not in the country.
3:03:40The goddamn magazines don't have any influence.
3:03:44That's true.
3:03:45Or would you agree?
3:03:49No, I would agree.
3:03:49It makes less difference there.
3:03:51Of course, it does stir up this town.
3:03:52It stirs up the media.
3:03:53They have a
3:03:55Basically ties it to the CIA.
3:04:29I think it's got to bother us to know that everything is so good
3:04:57And all of that, this stuff is so unnecessary, you know, that it just, it's kind of ironic and frustrating to have people just sort of be over there, and the way they're stuck with the drafts, filled with unadjusted honor.
3:14:25You raised a question or something.
3:14:28On Saturday.
3:14:29Yeah, on Saturday.
3:14:30And I did that.
3:14:31I just kind of liked the idea.
3:14:32And as I do the fact that Pat is not going with me, I just thought I'd be happy to come around.
3:14:36We have a bunch of things.
3:14:37I'm not...
3:14:39There ain't anything to do on the way out.
3:14:42Yeah, but you don't want to do it.
3:14:46On Friday there is.
3:14:46We should have a push in the square yard.
3:14:51I don't want you to go to that Mexican American place.
3:14:56I don't think so.
3:15:01I'm afraid of it.
3:15:04I just don't know what will happen.
3:15:06But they are Mexican.
3:15:09It's a deep Mexican organization.
3:15:17I'm sure it is.
3:15:19That's one of the most vulnerable.
3:15:21Why run a risk?
3:15:23Why run a risk of a negative story?
3:15:26from the Mexican-American group just before the Democratic convention, and that's what I'm concerned with.
3:15:34We walk right in the middle of it.
3:15:35The Democrats know you're there.
3:15:38They're going to go all out and screw you up, obviously.
3:15:44The... Well, I think we should... One Saturday thing... What century did you feel like we were in?
3:15:55I'm not sure.
3:15:59I guess that would be the thing on the way out.
3:16:04You've got a problem with not knowing when you're going to go.
3:16:10Anyway.
3:16:12What do you got Saturday?
3:16:13Well, Saturday there's one guy I was having marina with him.
3:16:16He's reporting it on the food price thing as it's going in there.
3:16:20I can't do that anymore.
3:16:40And you talk about presidential.
3:16:41I know, it's really funny, but...
3:16:43But tell me, what the hell do you think of that?
3:16:45I don't know how it's going to come out.
3:16:48That's the point.
3:16:48And I'm sitting there, the president of the United States, arguing with some poor asshole about the supermarket, trying to talk about meat prices, and now you'll get him down and shake my finger at him.
3:16:59Yeah, yeah.
3:16:59Other problems, the most picture industry leaders, you know, I don't think... No, no, no, no, no.
3:17:05Saturday, which is July 1st, is the first anniversary of the certification of the 18-year-old vote.
3:17:11And one possibility would be to meet with a small group of young people, maybe young officeholders who have been elected since last July, to talk about using the government voter registration to just be a gimmick, where you get a group of men to talk with you about the whole success of using the government on the anniversary of the 18-year-old vote day.
3:17:35That's part of the people's justification.
3:17:40Another possibility that looks better, repeated, and would also commemorate the youth vote, would be to visit the vocational education training center in San Diego, where the trainees are all in the 18-21 year age category.
3:17:56They symbolize that 80% of the young voters who are blue-collared, as contrasted with students, college students,
3:18:05And they're working up a veto proposal on that.
3:18:07And that, to me, is the most promising thing.
3:18:11You better do it unannounced.
3:18:12Do it like you did the blood thing last Saturday.
3:18:16Absolutely.
3:18:16Under no circumstances would you do it with an announcement.
3:18:19You've got San Diego State Summer School there.
3:18:21You know, it should be over there.
3:18:23There's a wild bunch down there.
3:18:26And I do it, you know, just throw it on Saturday and see what happens.
3:18:31The thought of meeting with Hodgson and David to conclude your honor,
3:18:35Unemployment and sciences, science and engineers, but all you're doing is focusing on employment, because this report is a democratic thing, and not an important one.
3:18:44I mean, it's important, but it's not.
3:18:47In other words, talk to the VA, Johnson & Hodgson, about the training veterans thing, or visit the Project Transition Center, where they have the on-the-job training of servicing the veterans.
3:18:59If you had to do one of those, this vocational thing would be better.
3:19:04I must give him credit, I might do that at some other time, I don't believe it, but we can do others, but go ahead and do them all, sadly.
3:19:28It's a thorough thought.
3:19:33Tuesdays, the 4th of July, the celebration of Monday and Tuesday, the 4th, basically the 4th day of the holiday weekend.
3:19:44The thought of having, we have this Citizens Medal that we've never given them, but we've done the first five recipients, we could use the 4th of July, or we could use that Saturday the 1st, have the first five in and present them with the Citizens Medal of the World.
3:20:01Sampire has come up with a speech that ties to your quest for peace, and the 76th bicentennial, which we tie in with the 4th of July.
3:20:13We did launch the bicentennial here last July.
3:20:16You would make that on radio?
3:20:18His idea is a nationwide telecast.
3:20:20Well, my idea, looking at the speech, is that it would be a hell of a good radio station.
3:20:24It refers back to last year at the Cape, when they ran S.J.
3:20:28Berger and Albert and I and the others.
3:20:31Everybody wants a nationwide telecast, but as far as that is, that is out.
3:20:35Don't you agree?
3:20:36Trying to dominate television at that particular time.
3:20:39Well, in the first place, I think it's a mistake, because you won't get much television audience here.
3:20:46That's the best answer.
3:20:48We didn't on the other one.
3:20:49The one we did here, and that's pretty important.
3:20:51I'm perfectly timed and staged, and a lot of telecast, and we didn't get a very big audience.
3:20:58You don't get a very big audience in July.
3:21:00And on July 4th weekend, you especially don't.
3:21:04So radio is not a bad thing.
3:21:05I would think maybe doing a radio address to the nation on independence might be a hell of a good time.
3:21:13His pitch on it is a pure...
3:21:16He had the idea of going to the United Nations to do it.
3:21:21Holy shit!
3:21:22But...
3:21:24It doesn't have to be rewritten a little bit, but it talks about the goal of global peace in 1976.
3:21:31It talks about the opportunity for white people.
3:21:38All right.
3:21:39This is what I will do.
3:21:40I'll schedule a broadcast.
3:21:41It talks about a new declaration.
3:21:47Would you do it?
3:21:56Probably live.
3:21:57Yeah.
3:21:57I think you really have to get the audio prepared in time.
3:22:03Well, or do it in tape and release it immediately afterwards.
3:22:08I'm just taking it easy.
3:22:10I'm not sure if it's different, but anyway.
3:22:15What time of day would you do it at night?
3:22:20I'm going to look into how the holiday works.
3:22:21You might do it Monday night, the 3rd, on 4th of July, in other words, the evening.
3:22:29I have this drawer that I haven't kissed you to put a scanner in it, to fix it for radio, do it the night of July the 3rd.
3:22:36Excellent idea.
3:22:37I can do that.
3:22:39I see no reason not to do little troll ways of that stuff.
3:22:43You never know when one of them is going to catch on to it.
3:22:49Now what he does, he ties this to the bicentennial and says it's inviting, you're inviting every individual in every country in certain senses along the journey to come to America in the bicentennial year and celebrate those in the cause of peace.
3:23:02Asking for customs and transportation to expedite this.
3:23:06U.S. industry to subsidize a lot of meals and travel for everybody here, airlines.
3:23:11Now it's advising, trying to make sure that we're doing all this.
3:23:19Well, I think it's an idea.
3:23:20But I said we can't hurt you in this kind of an intriguing kind of a thing.
3:23:25Yeah, let's throw it out, and we can later pop it down.
3:23:27I asked all the young people of America to join in a massive movement of people policing for peace, to learn another language, volunteers, interpreters, and guides at airports, railroads, bus stations, and storage sites and parks across the country.
3:23:38You know, it's sort of an exciting thing.
3:23:41Something's going to happen.
3:23:42Good.
3:23:43This is a time for the main posture of the Arab government and so on.
3:23:46Good.
3:23:46To help to know each other.
3:23:48Good.
3:23:49Very good.
3:23:50Not tall at all.
3:23:51That's good.
3:23:53Another thing you could do with that, if you want, is to do a television outtake earlier in the day and give it to the networks to put you into that.
3:24:12It would work well.
3:24:17Let's look at that.
3:24:20I don't know, but now I'm going back to Saturday.
3:24:24The best Saturday shop, I think, because I don't think you want to schedule anything, because it may possibly be stuck here over Saturday.
3:24:33Is that vocational?
3:24:35Do you know where you can shoot it down?
3:24:38It's local.
3:24:38It's not a bad idea as soon as you get out there to do something in San Diego.
3:24:48I think Pet Bob sounds damn good.
3:24:51I want to do something with the Mexicans at some point, but I don't think you need to do it in a huge crowd.
3:25:00I would be inclined to have Mexican leaders, a whole bunch of them, come out from California when I'm there, you know, and meet them, and have a round of swimming pool, and wish you very well, and so forth.
3:25:17How would that be?
3:25:19In other words, to identify them.
3:25:49Then you got July 5th, Julie's gonna do the Tonight Show, apparently, with her book, The Eye on Mason.
3:25:57The Tonight Show with Jenny Carson.
3:26:00Oh, Christ.
3:26:00Apparently she was gonna do that as a, well, I was talking to her yesterday, and I said, I'm gonna show her Paul Keyes, to see whether or not she, and to see whether or not she could get a decent reception.
3:26:16And we ruled out those days, yeah.
3:26:19That was for Trish.
3:26:22If she does that show, she has to tape it.
3:26:25You might want to take her out to dinner.
3:26:27It's her birthday.
3:26:28Go out publicly.
3:26:31Go to L.A. Dote.
3:26:33In that art, or maybe if you want to do a lot of music, you can go over and do a show there.
3:26:47That's it.
3:27:30And then we have...
3:27:59Several people were the intellectual types that he wanted to get into spending any time.
3:28:05There was a conversation I called Seabury at Berkeley, but that was one of the ones we had.
3:28:14And then this guy was at Riverside, and he hauled that in.
3:28:19All right.
3:28:21And then you've got this guy, Bob Allen, who's doing it.
3:28:29He wants to come in just to get a picture.
3:28:33He's the guy that was a marine captain when he was captain.
3:28:36He's been in the boat when he was captain.
3:28:38Well, I don't know anything about that.
3:28:40I could read an article that he was a marine captain.
3:28:42That would be the...
3:28:44I don't know what it is.
3:28:45I could read an article on your wartime show in Southern City.
3:28:48Okay.
3:28:49He wanted an interview with me, of course, but he's the guy I guess Old Rose has been pushing him to do that.
3:28:58You guys can write a very capable, good story for people to type this and like or talk about this.
3:29:05I do, yeah.
3:29:05So those are my stories.
3:29:07Then we have the question of whether you go up to that gateway recreation area in San Francisco, which is, you know, we're departing all the federal lands in the heavens of San Francisco Bay as part of the National Park System.
3:29:27Yeah.
3:29:28I think so, but to be in the area, that would be the question.
3:29:38We don't need to be concerned about having a crowd.
3:29:45It doesn't need to be a crowd.
3:29:48It can be a small group, but it gets you into San Francisco and loves this area.
3:29:58Yeah, like that Redwoods thing we did a couple of years ago.
3:30:00We had to set up ahead of time for that deal.
3:30:02I thought we were going to do that on July 7th or something like that.
3:30:05There were very good suggestions.
3:30:06I thought of whether you wanted to go to Angels baseball game or Senior Citizens game, but I don't know.
3:30:26I'm not going to do any sports events during the campaign.
3:30:33I'm thoroughly identified with something to shoot at.
3:30:34I think the article on sports is a different thing.
3:30:38Ron says incidentally, he's kind of looking into it, but we have an AP guy who's been following on this for some time and wanted to do this, and he thinks he can give it to him on the basis of the recall of his request.
3:30:56And then give it to the other guys.
3:30:58Like written in an article, there's an exclusive for the AP if you want it.
3:31:09Helen Thomas gets one hell of a lot of exclusives for UPI.
3:31:15It's just as well that AP has an exclusive.
3:31:20It's bigger anyway.
3:31:21And the AP will give it to the writer.
3:31:22Then I get through with it.
3:31:24It's a long article.
3:31:25I mentioned eight names.
3:31:28In fact, I mentioned 120 others.
3:31:29I mean, I don't discuss each name.
3:31:31I mean, 80 are listed, 20 more are discussed as one of the features.
3:31:40It could be for a sports page, you know, a column or so forth.
3:31:45They always try to find some little angle where they can underwrite certain things.
3:31:49I think they would find this extremely interesting.
3:32:24It seems to me, I talked to him back in the other campaign.
3:32:27He knows I know what he did before and all that.
3:32:30He did talk to me back in 1968.
3:32:31He talked to me.
3:32:32He's never made any attempt not to let me know what was happening.
3:32:36He didn't tell anybody else when he put her up there.
3:32:40He did tell me.
3:32:40He knew I knew when he was up visiting her and things like that.
3:32:44He was amazed by her job.
3:32:46I didn't talk to him earlier.
3:32:53I think she's in a hell of a shape.
3:32:54That's my guess.
3:32:54These two outcasts.
3:32:55You're so right, though.

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