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And he had more state visits here.

Because he had all those travels.

But I had 20 years.

But I had to try so to keep him traveling.

But China, you see, and the Russians, they add a dimension to ours that his and no other president will ever have.

It can't be repeated.

Well, the only president that they don't think that can be compared with it is, of course, the warriors, Roosevelt, visiting all the Potsdam, the Quebec conferences and all the rest.

Even so, that was before you could get around the way you could get around Roosevelt.

He had some major visits on the end of his sentence, but he didn't have the extent of travel as you would have liked him.

John has spoken to you about the American problem.

The question I ask is whether I really ought to speak to you about it, after what I've written about it.

Well, it's different.

I actually worry, not so much because of the effect on me, but because of the effect on him.

And on her, too.

I don't want to see her hurt.

Did you talk, you did talk to her, but I remember you talked to her, yeah, you did, after the election, about coming down here.

And you made the point that it would be good for her to come down here and get in the limelight and all that.

And it was.

You were absolutely right.

Because during her basic years here, she's done damn well until we got back into the campaign.

What the hell caused the trouble in the campaign?

I think the main problem is it takes more of John.

He spends time in the campaign than she does.

She wants him home.

He has to be traveling.

He won't take her with him.

Or he did, as an attorney general, because he, you know, took it at a slower pace.

Part of the stuff, there was the ceremonial stuff.

She was a star.

There was a lot of fancy stuff going on.

He's not on the list, I'm sure.

There's a lot of power lists.

No, but I mean...

It's not the embassy.

He doesn't go to all the embassy balls anymore, probably.

Even if they're invited, he probably doesn't go, because it's a waste of his time.

His attorney general thought he should be.

He's got any alternative to lock it up.

There's no way.

Unless he can put a keeper on it, a community keeper.

No way.

But I don't see how he can do that.

People will get out.

Well, this way, this is blowing now.

It's getting pretty big.

Destroyed.

Great.

Well, yeah, if they run their stuff and throw it on their bed, they're sticking it in the middle of their behinds and that kind of stuff.

It's a lapper off a little bit.

I would raise the point this morning that he was concerned about the potential.

We're nowhere near where we could get to potential problems on the other end.

What are we doing this time?

We use this as a basis for Mitchell pulling out.

You have to fix everything all over the floor at the same time, so it can kind of put a new structure together.

This is going to turn the other off, so Mitchell pulls out, so it's still with the former attorney general and your former campaign manager, and they're not going to let up on it.

This is the manager now.

And then,

The only way you can do that is to hang someone.

Say, well, I had a day, and that's why I didn't hang her.

I'm not going to do that.

I won't do that.

I won't.

I should lose the election.

I don't think you can do that.

You wouldn't.

You won't let me do that.

No.

You'll control it, brother.

Oh, yeah.

No.

I'm sorry.

You know, what you're supposed to have to eat to remind you what was going on, you know what I mean?

It's the same with us.

We know that.

In comparison with our limited resources in that area, we use the same people for a wide range of things.

So you've got them all.

You've got cross-ties, interleaving and all that.

That's where you...

These guys were only on this lane.

We could cut them loose and sink them when they went out of the train.

I mean, they've been on IG&T and other stuff.

Blackpool.

Apparently a lot of stuff.

There's stuff I don't know.

We don't have much left, but I can go with the lines run.

Right.

Any other candidates?

Yeah.

Apparently this is part of the apparatus that's been used for some of these surveillance projects.

There's various lines of interruption in the whole damn business.

I don't know.

Emotional people movement.

I don't know if anybody would care what was happening to the Democratic community.

There is one glimmer of hope, apparently.

One of the things that might be a possibility is that there's apparently in their photographs the stuff that they were taking.

They have some documents, photographs or documents that were at the Democratic Committee there that classified the Men's Department documents.

In fact, that's true.

They've got a tender case to go on.

I don't know if these people knew that something was, that CIA agents or something, something was going on when they were...

I don't know if those doesn't depend on papers from Jack Anderson and a lot of things like that.

I see a good step back.

No, just because you waited until you get into the campaign and then are pulling out a device you haven't used for a year or a year.

You're set up to do it last week and this week.

You're not into the convention today.

You're into a big congressional mishmash and wrap-up.

You're going to have to go into that.

Does that seem to extend to your question?

Is that a public question?

A couple of columns.

Let me say this.

John on that is over-sensitive anyway.

If the magazines around cover stories on it, they don't make that much difference anymore.

Does John realize that?

No.

It's only in this town, but not in the country.

The goddamn magazines don't have any influence.

That's true.

Or would you agree?

No, I would agree.

It makes less difference there.

Of course, it does stir up this town.

It stirs up the media.

They have a

Basically ties it to the CIA.

I think it's got to bother us to know that everything is so good

And all of that, this stuff is so unnecessary, you know, that it just, it's kind of ironic and frustrating to have people just sort of be over there, and the way they're stuck with the drafts, filled with unadjusted honor.

You raised a question or something.

On Saturday.

Yeah, on Saturday.

And I did that.

I just kind of liked the idea.

And as I do the fact that Pat is not going with me, I just thought I'd be happy to come around.

We have a bunch of things.

I'm not...

There ain't anything to do on the way out.

Yeah, but you don't want to do it.

On Friday there is.

We should have a push in the square yard.

I don't want you to go to that Mexican American place.

I don't think so.

I'm afraid of it.

I just don't know what will happen.

But they are Mexican.

It's a deep Mexican organization.

I'm sure it is.

That's one of the most vulnerable.

Why run a risk?

Why run a risk of a negative story?

from the Mexican-American group just before the Democratic convention, and that's what I'm concerned with.

We walk right in the middle of it.

The Democrats know you're there.

They're going to go all out and screw you up, obviously.

The... Well, I think we should... One Saturday thing... What century did you feel like we were in?

I don't know.

I'm not sure.

I guess that would be the thing on the way out.

You've got a problem with not knowing when you're going to go.

Anyway.

What do you got Saturday?

Well, Saturday there's one guy I was having marina with him.

He's reporting it on the food price thing as it's going in there.

I can't do that anymore.

And you talk about presidential.

I know, it's really funny, but...

But tell me, what the hell do you think of that?

I don't know how it's going to come out.

That's the point.

And I'm sitting there, the president of the United States, arguing with some poor asshole about the supermarket, trying to talk about meat prices, and now you'll get him down and shake my finger at him.

Yeah, yeah.

Other problems, the most picture industry leaders, you know, I don't think... No, no, no, no, no.

Saturday, which is July 1st, is the first anniversary of the certification of the 18-year-old vote.

And one possibility would be to meet with a small group of young people, maybe young officeholders who have been elected since last July, to talk about using the government voter registration to just be a gimmick, where you get a group of men to talk with you about the whole success of using the government on the anniversary of the 18-year-old vote day.

That's part of the people's justification.

Another possibility that looks better, repeated, and would also commemorate the youth vote, would be to visit the vocational education training center in San Diego, where the trainees are all in the 18-21 year age category.

They symbolize that 80% of the young voters who are blue-collared, as contrasted with students, college students,

And they're working up a veto proposal on that.

And that, to me, is the most promising thing.

You better do it unannounced.

Do it like you did the blood thing last Saturday.

Absolutely.

Under no circumstances would you do it with an announcement.

You've got San Diego State Summer School there.

You know, it should be over there.

There's a wild bunch down there.

And I do it, you know, just throw it on Saturday and see what happens.

The thought of meeting with Hodgson and David to conclude your honor,

Unemployment and sciences, science and engineers, but all you're doing is focusing on employment, because this report is a democratic thing, and not an important one.

I mean, it's important, but it's not.

In other words, talk to the VA, Johnson & Hodgson, about the training veterans thing, or visit the Project Transition Center, where they have the on-the-job training of servicing the veterans.

If you had to do one of those, this vocational thing would be better.

I must give him credit, I might do that at some other time, I don't believe it, but we can do others, but go ahead and do them all, sadly.

It's a thorough thought.

Tuesdays, the 4th of July, the celebration of Monday and Tuesday, the 4th, basically the 4th day of the holiday weekend.

The thought of having, we have this Citizens Medal that we've never given them, but we've done the first five recipients, we could use the 4th of July, or we could use that Saturday the 1st, have the first five in and present them with the Citizens Medal of the World.

Sampire has come up with a speech that ties to your quest for peace, and the 76th bicentennial, which we tie in with the 4th of July.

We did launch the bicentennial here last July.

You would make that on radio?

His idea is a nationwide telecast.

Well, my idea, looking at the speech, is that it would be a hell of a good radio station.

It refers back to last year at the Cape, when they ran S.J.

Berger and Albert and I and the others.

Everybody wants a nationwide telecast, but as far as that is, that is out.

Don't you agree?

Trying to dominate television at that particular time.

Well, in the first place, I think it's a mistake, because you won't get much television audience here.

That's the best answer.

We didn't on the other one.

The one we did here, and that's pretty important.

I'm perfectly timed and staged, and a lot of telecast, and we didn't get a very big audience.

You don't get a very big audience in July.

And on July 4th weekend, you especially don't.

So radio is not a bad thing.

I would think maybe doing a radio address to the nation on independence might be a hell of a good time.

His pitch on it is a pure...

He had the idea of going to the United Nations to do it.

Holy shit!

But...

It doesn't have to be rewritten a little bit, but it talks about the goal of global peace in 1976.

It talks about the opportunity for white people.

All right.

This is what I will do.

I'll schedule a broadcast.

It talks about a new declaration.

Would you do it?

Probably live.

Yeah.

I think you really have to get the audio prepared in time.

Well, or do it in tape and release it immediately afterwards.

I'm just taking it easy.

I'm not sure if it's different, but anyway.

What time of day would you do it at night?

I'm going to look into how the holiday works.

You might do it Monday night, the 3rd, on 4th of July, in other words, the evening.

I have this drawer that I haven't kissed you to put a scanner in it, to fix it for radio, do it the night of July the 3rd.

Excellent idea.

I can do that.

I see no reason not to do little troll ways of that stuff.

You never know when one of them is going to catch on to it.

Now what he does, he ties this to the bicentennial and says it's inviting, you're inviting every individual in every country in certain senses along the journey to come to America in the bicentennial year and celebrate those in the cause of peace.

Asking for customs and transportation to expedite this.

U.S. industry to subsidize a lot of meals and travel for everybody here, airlines.

Now it's advising, trying to make sure that we're doing all this.

I don't know.

Well, I think it's an idea.

But I said we can't hurt you in this kind of an intriguing kind of a thing.

Yeah, let's throw it out, and we can later pop it down.

I asked all the young people of America to join in a massive movement of people policing for peace, to learn another language, volunteers, interpreters, and guides at airports, railroads, bus stations, and storage sites and parks across the country.

You know, it's sort of an exciting thing.

Something's going to happen.

Good.

This is a time for the main posture of the Arab government and so on.

Good.

To help to know each other.

Good.

Very good.

Not tall at all.

That's good.

Another thing you could do with that, if you want, is to do a television outtake earlier in the day and give it to the networks to put you into that.

It would work well.

Let's look at that.

I don't know, but now I'm going back to Saturday.

The best Saturday shop, I think, because I don't think you want to schedule anything, because it may possibly be stuck here over Saturday.

Is that vocational?

Do you know where you can shoot it down?

It's local.

It's not a bad idea as soon as you get out there to do something in San Diego.

I think Pet Bob sounds damn good.

I want to do something with the Mexicans at some point, but I don't think you need to do it in a huge crowd.

I would be inclined to have Mexican leaders, a whole bunch of them, come out from California when I'm there, you know, and meet them, and have a round of swimming pool, and wish you very well, and so forth.

How would that be?

In other words, to identify them.

Then you got July 5th, Julie's gonna do the Tonight Show, apparently, with her book, The Eye on Mason.

The Tonight Show with Jenny Carson.

Oh, Christ.

Apparently she was gonna do that as a, well, I was talking to her yesterday, and I said, I'm gonna show her Paul Keyes, to see whether or not she, and to see whether or not she could get a decent reception.

And we ruled out those days, yeah.

That was for Trish.

If she does that show, she has to tape it.

You might want to take her out to dinner.

It's her birthday.

Go out publicly.

Go to L.A. Dote.

In that art, or maybe if you want to do a lot of music, you can go over and do a show there.

That's it.

And then we have...

Several people were the intellectual types that he wanted to get into spending any time.

There was a conversation I called Seabury at Berkeley, but that was one of the ones we had.

And then this guy was at Riverside, and he hauled that in.

All right.

And then you've got this guy, Bob Allen, who's doing it.

He wants to come in just to get a picture.

He's the guy that was a marine captain when he was captain.

He's been in the boat when he was captain.

Well, I don't know anything about that.

I could read an article that he was a marine captain.

That would be the...

I don't know what it is.

I could read an article on your wartime show in Southern City.

Okay.

He wanted an interview with me, of course, but he's the guy I guess Old Rose has been pushing him to do that.

You guys can write a very capable, good story for people to type this and like or talk about this.

I do, yeah.

So those are my stories.

Then we have the question of whether you go up to that gateway recreation area in San Francisco, which is, you know, we're departing all the federal lands in the heavens of San Francisco Bay as part of the National Park System.

Yeah.

I think so, but to be in the area, that would be the question.

We don't need to be concerned about having a crowd.

It doesn't need to be a crowd.

It can be a small group, but it gets you into San Francisco and loves this area.

Yeah, like that Redwoods thing we did a couple of years ago.

We had to set up ahead of time for that deal.

I thought we were going to do that on July 7th or something like that.

There were very good suggestions.

I thought of whether you wanted to go to Angels baseball game or Senior Citizens game, but I don't know.

I'm not going to do any sports events during the campaign.

I'm thoroughly identified with something to shoot at.

I think the article on sports is a different thing.

Ron says incidentally, he's kind of looking into it, but we have an AP guy who's been following on this for some time and wanted to do this, and he thinks he can give it to him on the basis of the recall of his request.

And then give it to the other guys.

Like written in an article, there's an exclusive for the AP if you want it.

Helen Thomas gets one hell of a lot of exclusives for UPI.

It's just as well that AP has an exclusive.

It's bigger anyway.

And the AP will give it to the writer.

Then I get through with it.

It's a long article.

I mentioned eight names.

In fact, I mentioned 120 others.

I mean, I don't discuss each name.

I mean, 80 are listed, 20 more are discussed as one of the features.

It could be for a sports page, you know, a column or so forth.

They always try to find some little angle where they can underwrite certain things.

I think they would find this extremely interesting.

It seems to me, I talked to him back in the other campaign.

He knows I know what he did before and all that.

He did talk to me back in 1968.

He talked to me.

He's never made any attempt not to let me know what was happening.

He didn't tell anybody else when he put her up there.

He did tell me.

He knew I knew when he was up visiting her and things like that.

He was amazed by her job.

I didn't talk to him earlier.

I think she's in a hell of a shape.

That's my guess.

These two outcasts.

You're so right, though.