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Conversation 355-020

TapeTape 355StartThursday, October 5, 1972 at 8:08 AMEndThursday, October 5, 1972 at 9:16 AMParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Ehrlichman, John D.Recording deviceOld Executive Office Building
AI Summary

President Nixon and John Ehrlichman met to discuss the administration's legislative strategy regarding railroad retirement vetoes and ongoing welfare reform negotiations. The conversation focused on the political implications of potential veto overrides and the complexities surrounding the Family Assistance Plan, including proposed amendments by Senators Ribicoff and Stevenson. Ehrlichman updated the President on current legislative developments and testing metrics to determine the administration's tactical approach to securing support.

Railroad RetirementVeto strategyWelfare reformFamily Assistance PlanLegislative affairs
AudioNARA Description

On October 5, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and John D. Ehrlichman met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 8:08 am and 9:16 am. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 355-020 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 355-20

Date: October 5, 1972
Time: Unknown between 8:08 am and 9:16 am
Location: Executive Office Building

The President talked with John D. Ehrlichman.

        Railroad retirement legislation
            -Veto

        Welfare reform legislation
           -Abaraham A. Ribicoff amendment
           -Adlai E. Stevenson, III amendment
           -William V. Roth
           -Title I
           -Family Assistance Plan [FAP]
                -Amount of money
                -Length of assistance
           -Strategy
           -Roth
Transcript (AI-Generated)

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John, on a couple of points, on my oral retirement, I assume that that was a veto, I mean, a message that we expect to be overwritten.
And the question, is that second ahead?
So it's not overwritten?
I don't expect it to be overwritten, but it is.
Yeah.
That's fine.
That's fine too.
What about the situation on welfare?
What have they done so far?
They put in the, they went out to the test and they turned down the cost.
And see if we can get that.
That's good.
That's good.
So now rock.
That's good.
Good.
Now.
Start to rock.
Yeah.
The first three are in the center and the second is in the fourth.
This is kind of what?
Oh, I see, fine.
In other words, family assistance is kind of four.
Right.
What is that amount of money, you know, six and a half years out of the state?
That's for one year annually or over three or four years or what?
Right, right, right, that's all.
Yeah, right.
This does not provide result any better.
So.
So, lift.
And then we hope what?
What?
Do I pay it or not?
Oh, we're getting some of that.
I'm telling you.
Well, I don't know if we can do that.
If I say it's for her, that would be a mistake.
Yeah, all right.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
So we like to say that we don't get the satisfaction that we should in the background.
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