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It's, uh, 6 days left.

Yeah, 6 days left.

It's been holding very well.

You know, I was thinking, uh, people close to the, uh, the fire people.

We saw them.

I know we tried to take advantage of, uh, you know, older reactions to the other side, or other issues.

That riot in the back, Boston, goddammit, that was just...

In 1960, we lost Texas because of that asshole congressman down there, you know, who was...

Yeah.

In this case, it was these two people with the mother.

And then the $7,500 driver, the two people inside the car.

He yelled out, I was not an agent, so to speak.

He yelled out that we're crawling out?

Right.

Now, this kind of assaulting kind of thing.

What do you think?

I agree with you 100%.

That's where everybody belongs.

We're going to have it.

I go, we're going out, and the brown bastards will be down there.

I don't care.

I'm just kidding.

That's all I'm doing.

I'm just telling folks I'm going to do that.

I don't think I care.

Tell them you got the First Lady coming to town, or even the Democrats.

That's all.

That's just outrageous.

I don't know.

How do you believe they're going to win those races?

I don't really understand that stuff.

Well, if you go to the county, it isn't for people to call.

It's just a goddamn outrage.

It really is, you know.

And they've been very rough on Chris.

He's handled it beautifully, but the Wisconsin Chief, he puts them down.

And if you go and have a more closed base, and look at this man's stuff, he's getting out of hand.

I'm going to call him if people put it down.

Yeah, we do call.

We demand that.

At least, I mean, it is.

He's assaulting the First Lady and his daughters.

The First Lady and his daughters.

It's just too far.

It's gone too far.

Nothing is happening to him.

And he's responsible.

We hold him accountable.

He's ready to call out his mad dogs.

Now, the same word, condemnation, comes from a government that we reference.

Yeah, he's not commended.

He's not commended.

And then again, that can put in the $15,000 for the destruction of San Francisco, burning the headquarters.

And it's, you know what I mean?

Right.

Violence is a commandment.

Not one word, condemnation.

Not one word.

Everybody's trying to turn that thing to chaos.

They've never shot him.

You've got to ask him questions, but they've never shot him.

There hasn't been any of that.

No, there hasn't been any of that.

No, there hasn't been

I think the only way to get at it is to accuse the press of another standard.

How about that?

That might go to him.

I agree with that.

The press is a very guilty number.

It's a guilty of a shocking, shocking temporal double standard here.

They are, it is their responsibility to raise the question when they think

But why are they getting totally silent in terms of condemning this outrageous conduct, this outrageous conduct of denial of re-speech, attempting to deny re-speech and violence of sanity, and so on?

And, uh, and also have not, have not, and, uh, and that's the second one, is demand government duty, sending wires and all that sort of thing to call off the government.

Right.

But at least after this, you can say after this pitiful, uh, after, uh, after, uh, what his, what his own people are now calling him.

a record campaign on his part, or a political campaign, at least he ought to benefit with dignity and decency.

I mean, he ought to have some authority.

I've got to get a real tough prospect in my mind.

What do you think of that?

I mean, it's a good thing.

There's one of the things, you know, some of the signatures you're saying, you know, the place you're going to play, like the...

I don't know.

We have stayed out of it.

We've stayed out of it, right.

And it's burned their ass that we have.

They're always there to buy when we come out.

The moment we get into the White House, it's real.

We've got copies and copies of the business.

Yes.

Maybe we can check all of these guys, get something ready, and then just push that line ahead with them.

Well, you can try.

You can get over to Compton and they may have something you might want to consider.

I don't know where we are right now, but you know, you might want to consider it.

But I think it's, I think it's really gone beyond the pale.

I mean, if they up there look to be able to check and play in terms of television and do things up there, that's sort of that.

It's got to be, you can't even have that in action.

I think they did.

Yeah, I mean, we'll find out tonight what would happen.

Last night wasn't.

No.

I think it was people getting that work done.

They played it last night.

It wasn't on the network, so.

Do you think it will roll?

Oh, it's got to.

I mean, nobody, Democrats just, I mean, nobody likes that stuff anymore.

These guys, those demonstrators and those, uh, Arsene, these guys, these popular guys have come.

And the long-haired, black-and-white, you know, there are rallies that all these young people really just hurt it.

Doesn't help it.

No, no.

They never show their pictures in the press in person.

They hurt it.

But they probably have this objection in other respects, like that the, the, the...

The television has been very careful never to show any of these assholes how terrible they look.

They don't get them on.

They don't show the pictures of the long-haired.

The problem with the shooting today is that they don't have to mention at all.

That's something.

How cool they look.

They got it mixed and packed and done.

Yeah.

Yes.

That was great.

It was a great picture.

It was a wonderful picture.

Yeah.

And they get to sing.

Well, these are well-behaved people, this group.

And all of a sudden, that convention turned out people were in it.

They're different lifestyles.

I had a couple of other problems that I've already passed on to you.

I'd like you to work on it.

I'd like for you to, uh, to have your staff.

I mean, we've always talked, you know, about this smears on Nixon, you know, the deal went out.

I think you've got a, uh, you know, a record campaign, you know, the smears, right, through the years and so forth.

What do you think of Duke?

I mean, what do you think of some of the striker stuff, you know, like, the monster of the kid?

but what do you think i agree about time and now look dude let's let's just talk about it but in this case the spares are really

You know what I mean?

They ain't called up.

They're so far from going.

Okay, so we're thinking, Pat and I need to do an explanation.

Take what Hagen said to the street next back, yeah?

The mistake in where he pulled on himself on top, and all of which he apologized for in 68.

Those three things, that they made so much of, hurt what Shriver's been saying.

They call it, you know, what a petty candidate this Schreiber is.

Isn't that great?

And also, they're now saying, my governor now is sounding like a real Democratic candidate, but he's attacking so hard.

How about in the name of God?

Is it a name of Jesus?

Are you going to do the double standard thing?

His great birthday asked for the president.

Now, for example, would you go in the stairs, the heckling?

rule of, you know, the vicious editorials and so forth, you can go back and pick up the most vicious things in the glory, I would say, you know.

But if you get somebody on it, I don't know how you're going to use it.

I don't know how long you get it printed.

You can certainly get it every other year and all that sort of thing.

Do you have any idea on that?

Well, you'd have to do a...

I don't want to be attacked by somebody at the White House, but we should.

Well, you'd have to get someone to write, say, an op-ed piece.

They'd all put it up in one spot.

Right.

And then they ask us to do it.

Maybe, rather than an op-ed piece, it has to be probably a little more lengthy than that.

And then you could probably do it.

I think that's maybe a path or something of that sort.

Okay, I'll tell you who the person is.

How would that be?

Where's Ronald?

Right, right.

The most maligned president since Lincoln.

That would be a good line, wouldn't it?

It sure would.

Most malignances like that.

And also then go on and throw in actions, too.

We have to get a lot of this stuff pulled together.

Pull it together and then it has to be written down in an effective way.

Now I have another one.

It's a little more interesting in that respect.

I think that it's time for someone to press down.

Maybe at 10 a.m. or something.

I just think it's got to be on the record.

And then mail everybody that is affected by it.

But if you can get it on the sky, I mean, maybe you can have a close formation on his day.

Or who have you got at that time?

Jeff Hart.

And here's the point.

Now, this is a diabolical thing.

When Goldwater lost in 1964,

his supporters and his, you know, respect with him, if you remember.

Right.

I mean, in the press, I mean, maybe in the rest of the... Well, I got over it, you know.

Right.

But now, that's... Maybe we don't even want to bring it over.

What we want to say is the utter cruelty and hypocrisy of the McGovernites and the press, which is the first Eastern establishment of press.

Here, they are now electing the threat of being alive.

And Blaine is going down on him because they are desperately trying to cover up the truth, which is their ideas are being protruded.

I did that sound again, but I haven't seen it written in any place.

Is that a favorite of yours?

If they're ideas, that's good to be in.

He stands for the bug out in Vietnam.

He stands for the new lifestyle.

He stands for pot.

He stands for a whole lot of softness and permissiveness.

He stands for an increase in welfare.

He stands for bussing.

Now, here we have him.

He is, uh...

But the real message of this campaign is that it's going to be a massive repudiation of the ideas, and then the statement, the White, the New York Times, the Two, the Times, Newsweek, and the great networks of the top command in the department.

You get my point?

Exactly.

And they ought to be said.

They ought to be written.

That's what we need.

Your point is making it all successful.

The thing holds up as it is.

Uh, the press, of course, desperate to ask, what does it all mean?

And whatever you say there, in that first little discussion, you can roll in that stuff, huh?

And that's going to go right into all the mystery books, what it all means.

Because just like the press, they said in 1970, in fact, it was a great thing.

They said, here's what happened.

They said, oh, is there any Twitter that's all this works?

And that was all the people.

In other words, they've been realizing the 70s are really quite successful.

Until we have to...

stupidity of running a bad TV show.

Right.

Down, down, down.

Well, even at the national level, they say it's a massive defeat.

Well, you didn't get that 5% percent, lost 5% of the House in an all-year election at the bottom of the recession.

Yeah, and with the minority party.

The minority party, and I just get in, they say, what a horrible...

I am not going to let them get away with this.

You see, they have a feeling that we'll do like we always have.

In other words, we'll come in and be nicey-nice to them.

Understand, there's not going to be any suppression or anything in the press.

But you've got to be damn sure that this business of always sucking around the New York Times and the Washington Post and the Times is going to stop.

You have to suck around the networks and those of you that you have for obvious reasons.

Because of the need for self defense.

What the hell, Preston?

Do you agree?

I agree.

And boy, from now on, we play our friends.

Jack Marner may not be the brightest guy in the world, but he's the star.

So you play him.

Right, right.

You're not going to, my view is that you're not going to win by the amount that Harris is pressing.

The attrition obviously sets on Sunday.

I'll tell you what it is.

Part of it is, as I told you, people always got to remember that goal line right here in 64.

Gallup's last goal was almost exactly what Harris is in 61-32.

And it ended up 61-39.

My point is, there's just a hell of a lot of people who, when they go in there, are just going to vote for the guy.

Well, right, it doesn't matter.

He's not going to win anyway.

So, that's my point.

So that's what I think will happen.

On the other hand, in terms of the state stations, we may do quite well.

We're at the present time in the states because we lose Massachusetts, maybe Michigan, maybe Wisconsin, and maybe a couple of countries as well.

So it's a win for Massachusetts, which is winnable, but a long shot.

You're not going to win New York, but the amount of data that's pulled is 535,000.

That's behind the 3 million votes in two and a half years.

On the other hand, let's cut it by 15.

Let's say that you win 315,000.

That's 1,300,000 votes in 30 years, right?

So, but my point is, I feel that, I feel that it's very important that the 11th Wing opinion makers be really safe on this.

Now, I will, I will help.

I'm not going to do it with any of them.

I'll do it, frankly, not on television.

I'm going to do it very quietly, you know, and so forth.

And I might do it, actually, on the way back from the plane.

And I'll say, well, really, what the real test here is reviews.

And they'll send assholes and guys...

They'll start joking if they put it that way.

That's right.

I did.

John, I mean, to be sure he was honest with you, we realized that.

But the views of Senator Bevin are frankly the views of all of those who frankly believe.

made through the so-called respectable publications on three networks.

I said, I understand that.

I don't know.

I don't know that it's about harassment.

You've always told me before, and I understand that.

But I said, now you have the test.

And you have your candidate.

If he wins, I'll accept his graceful.

But if he doesn't win, then you've got to accept his graceful.

I just think they don't, I don't know if they would sit down right there, but, you know, if you can't, that's it.

No, why not, Bill?

Yeah.

What do you think?

I think that's just how it is.

I think it's just that way that they don't smile.

No.

Yeah, I'm done.

You know, because every time, every time you really take a toll on them, it really burns their ass when I hear them come out there and be, uh,

I was talking about everybody.

I wasn't.

I was just talking about his opposition.

But the point is that if any of the makers in this country, the so-called, frankly, fashionable leftists,

They are terrified of this.

It is because they recognize we love bullshit.

You know that.

They're terrified for a reason.

They know their ideas, their views, are going to be retaliated.

But I don't even know what I say.

on the page and I think how that reporter from Washington posted the list may be good news for McGovern and his election agenda.

How's it going to be good news for McGovern and the conservatives?

Oh, I know.

You said that?

Yeah.

At least the rest of the candidates are saying that it looks like, you know, the left is getting beat everywhere, you know, with, uh, Mr. Trudeau and the rest of them, Grant and Trouble, et cetera.

When somebody said that, that was a good sign?

Yeah, yeah, on the ground, his first day on the ground at the polls that showed that Trudeau was going to win there for McGovern.

Well, of course, the polls in Canada, they heard these points maybe.

Something like that.

I don't know that.

Then, of course, that piece of things they wish they hadn't said, that is going to be done now.

If you're working on that.

Right.

We've got to talk about that again.

That Baron from this week, somebody's always been working on that second one.

I mean, I have a little problem.

I don't know if they're gonna do it.

Well, I don't know if they're gonna do it.

We should be able to tell them exactly what they wish they had to say to him.

Right.

But Ignite, you can't come from the White House.

You've got to come.

Because now if there are other guys around here, there must be panic.

We've got stories.

We want to write something.

Help them write the story.

We'll write it.

We're, uh, we're talking about it.

We'd love to write this story.

You see what I mean?

Find, next time you should build up some of these guys.

But you can also find this on there.

And then you can say the hypocritical, uh, vicious thing.

and say how cruel they are.

He's their candidate.

And they're blaming him.

When actually, they should look in the mirror and blame themselves because it's their views.

And they're coming at McGovern.

They're making McGovern to go when it's their views are to go.

That's the point.

They're trying to make him to go.

Or they're saying that he's a loser or something.

Now look, the deal with them may be about costing people from someone.

It isn't that.

It isn't the government's manager.

It isn't the government's style.

God damn it.

It's his view.

Do you agree?

I agree.

Right.

Exactly.

I think he's gonna have a lot of fun with it.

By the way, and cruelly, the McGovern might be a piece of somebody who runs a house, you know, a certain kind of machine.

What a terrible thing to do to McGovern.

After all, in the last week of the campaign, he's working hard.

And here it is, the Liberals and the Christians are tearing him apart.

Why?

Well, they're tearing him apart in order to deflect attention from the truth.

Which is that they are responsible.

It is them that are going down.

They are the ones that are going to be repudiated.

They're going to be handled there for the bug out of Vietnam.

I just said the bug out of Los Angeles.

But they're going to wait for messages.

They're going to go our way out there.

That's an obfuscation.

Right.

But all in all, at least we have it in the networks that are ready to get it.

We've built it quite a bit.

It hasn't been that separate from CENTRAL this year because of that expansion.

Well, because we've got some good vehicle stock in there.

Yes, yes.

But at the same time, some of our partners have been taking over the grass since 1968.

Because we have projected every single night.

Yeah, we're all three of them.

How would you expect us to go up to the post?

No matter what you do, you hope they have a breath or something like that.

At the present time, of course, we've been hanging around 60% of what people love.

Oh, wait.

Well, particularly Republicans.

And the whole Democrats.

A lot of them have stood out.

The line to them is kind of, yeah, I know you've written in there.

That is, that's a fake line, number two.

I was looking at the Atlanta-San Francisco football game.

I just happened to flick it when I was doing another game.

And it was the last quarter.

Atlanta is a football-crazy town.

And the majors were empty because the score was 49-12.

Now, the point is that when you've got a football game or an election,

They wish there was no contest.

Obviously, they're excited to do it.

But these assholes say, gee, isn't it terrible?

Isn't it exciting now?

You know what this is?

Because they call it a side A camp, and it means me and the dog are over there.

And honestly, do you agree?

I agree.

Also, this is half of the thing.

This camp came up at 6-4, came up at 6-8.

Every time you get close to an election, the police say, well, it's not the choice.

The lawyers are really not.

Yeah.

I mean, if they didn't go order jobs, they didn't do it.

We don't know what they're going to do.

A lot of those guys get fucked.

I think that's when Bernard Johnson wrote that new piece that the politics are coming.

It's the way he put it back.

Whatever his dad must have written.

And those are the future and all that stuff.

That's right.

All the young, black, and so forth, shouldn't have ever read it, believe me.

I mean, that piece, it was written to move his head, get back, and get better.

Remember that one?

Yeah.

This is what happened.

As a matter of fact, in 68 the movement really had it.

Because the walls, the walls that they're destroying them, we were one by ten points in 58.

So without a question, those guys would be even more anti sort of thing, aren't they?

Sure they are.

You know the students, you know that they're busting problems in New York?

I think that'll help us.

We've been, we've been criticized for just getting so far along the bus.

Amnesty and all these other things.

But you've got to draw the line with some of these things.

You get the amnesty thing.

It's the present real life.

There's no difference.

I say there will be no amnesty ever.

Let me tell you what amnesty is.

Amnesty means forgiveness.

And there will be no forgiveness.

If you send a man to prison, you're not forgiven.

He's got to serve his prison sentence.

That is forgiven.

See my point?

All right.

Well, I have the other side.

I'm telling you, the state might bring that thing up for discussion.

All right.

They have coverage.

It's hurting my job on the issue.

So they say, wait a minute, Bob.

Who has this problem with you?

It's in our alibi on that issue.

As soon as you bring it back up, they're going to say, yes, this is not an issue.

You can also get rid of it.

There's nothing more important about it.

It's just a disadvantage.

I mean it very politically.

be as honest as Trump was for us at the moment.

There's not going to be any settlement.

That, of course, is something I've been sitting on.

The real question is, to the extent to which our people... Did you get the ziggler lines from the other day?

I need that going on.

But I want the ziggler lines.

But I'm wondering if, even the Trump around the settlement, how much it's hurting them.

First to the right, I'm wondering about that.

Well, what it does to the right is, you go to the right, you join all the folks on the government, go to the program, that's their whole name is the nation itself.

You say, wait a minute, what is this?

I'm sorry, you said it hurts their attention.

With the others, there is that impact, I don't know.

I think it's easier first that there's not going to be any settlement that has an election deadline.

We are on the right side of the settlement.

Second, there's not going to be any opposition from the communist government to sell Vietnam.

We have had settlements before to win in 1968 based on understandings, which were broken.

We're going to have this one nailed down.

That's why it's just that we get the right kind of a settlement.

I think that's exactly right.

We're so close to this thing right now.

A strong line is politically advantageous.

It's the right thing to do.

The wrong kind of settlement would be... Well, there's got to be a settlement.

Yeah.

The idea of the animated mix is because of this election that you get more concessions than are available and they're just not going to get the concessions.

That's always true.

But I think the apartment's in the spot.

They're going to come this far, they're this close, and they're not going to throw away the ball game in the last minute.

So do you think that's because it's the same concept as the election?

Well, that one was down on her.

Who should write these things?

I don't know.

Now, one other probably who does tend to make history is that asshole Kay White.

Right.

But, uh, can you talk to him?

Sure can.

Who do you want me to talk to?

Well, I'll be talking to him, but I've got to be a little bit... See, I'll have this left-right thing with him.

Right.

He won't agree to it, but, uh...

At least you'll have to report that I slumped on it.

But I think that it was pretty hard.

It seemed to me, too.

I thought I had a verdict, but it feels funny.

The whole damn Watergate business, you know.

I mean, finally get the goddamn thing in perspective.

We can't talk about accomplishments.

But that's a good place to have the record laid out, if you think so.

And twice, thank you so much.

That was very close.

You said, well, I don't know.

I don't know how to do it.

That was the thing.

I didn't want to break the record.

But I think a few right now, this idea is burying trees on the left and taking on the left wing supporters.

Burying in their burrow.

Why don't you say that?

Burying in their burrow.

follow the last bird of the eastern establishment.

Get a real tough one there, right?

Huh?

I want you to tell us how the last bird of the eastern establishment, I'd like you to hold it tight for me, and say how shameful is their effect on the establishment.

All morality is stripped away.

All honesty is stripped away.

It's a double standard.

But the main thing, here they are, attacking MacGyver.

But really, they should look in the mirror and say, it's their view that they're going down to.

Now, there's the column.

That's a hell of a column to have on there.

It's kind of a safety cell.

I can't do that.

I'll tell you what I think it has to be done.

I think that, well, people will say that, well,

They just don't have to dress mad and so forth.

They're mad at you.

You agree?

Yeah, they're just bitchy and mad at you.

Yeah.

And don't you really feel that maybe, uh, don't you really start to feel that this sort of makes them a little worried?

It's like having to sit back on the bench.

What do you think?

The interpretation is the same.

Huh?

The interpretation is that they're mad at you because you said you were important to yourself.

If he doesn't get away with saying, well, Governor, just half the ideas are basically good ideas, then the rest of the future, if the Governor didn't articulate about what he thought he could, but if it's just credit that the whole movement and everything represents, then it's better to do that today.

There's no hurry, I think it's going to be fine.

I lost it.

Somebody ought to really brutalize those goddamn government people and demand that I apologize or demand that you call off his mad dogs.

Why don't you call off his mad dogs?

Okay.

How's that?

Okay.

All right.