Conversation 382-002

TapeTape 382StartSaturday, December 16, 1972 at 11:30 AMEndSaturday, December 16, 1972 at 12:45 PMParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Colson, Charles W.;  Bull, Stephen B.;  White House operator;  Butterfield, Alexander P.Recording deviceOld Executive Office Building

On December 16, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Charles W. Colson, Stephen B. Bull, White House operator, and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 11:30 am to 12:45 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 382-002 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 382-2

Date: December 16, 1972
Time: 11:30 am - 12:45 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with Charles W. Colson.

       Second term reorganization
            -John A. Scali appointment
                  -Announcement
                        -Italian-Americans
            -Changes
                  -Press relations
                        -The President’s conversation with Ronald L. Ziegler
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                 -William P. Rogers
      -Retentions
             -Richard G. Kleindienst
             -Rogers
             -George P. Shultz
      -Number
      -Scali
      -Number of Catholics in Cabinet
             -Roy L. Ash
             -Claude S. Brinegar
      -Regional representation
      -Sub-Cabinet
             -Lyndon B. Johnson
                   -Conversation with John B. Connally
                          -Marianne H. Means
                          -Post-1964 election
                          -Schedule C
             -Press relations
                   -Ray Cromley article
                   -Washington, DC, reporters
-White House staff cuts
      -Press relations
             -The President’s conversation with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
             -Announcement
-Symbolism
-Public relations [PR]
      -Plan
-News summaries
      -Patrick J. Buchanan and Lyndon K. (“Mort”) Allin
             -Compilation
-PR
      -Bureaucracy
      -Peter J. Brennan’s conversation with the President
             -Brennan’s visit to Labor Department
                   -Display of the President’s portrait
                          -Labor offices
                          -Shultz
                          -James G. Hodgson
                          -Brennan’s view
                          -Rogers’s office
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                             -State Department
                       -Press relations
                       -Brennan’s Democratic Party affiliation
-Politicans as managers
       -John G. Veneman
             -Performance as Under Secretary [of the Department of Health,
              Education and Welfare] [HEW]
       -George W. Romney
             -Compared to Brennan
             -Governorship of Michigan
       -John A. Volpe
             -Performance
                   -Colson’s meeting with insurance people
                   -Truckers
                   -White House staff
             -Loyalty
-Volpe
       -Ambassadorship to Italy
             -Secretary of Transportation
                   -Interest in retention
             -[John A. Volpe, Jr.]
       -Exhaustion
-Politicians as managers
       -Robert H. Finch
             -Performance as HEW Secretary
-Changes
       -PR
       -Compared to other Presidents
             -Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1936, Theodore Roosevelt in 1904, Dwight
             D. Eisenhower in 1956
       -Lower level positions
             -Rogers C. B. Morton, Shultz
                   -Under Secretaries
             -Internal Revenue Service [IRS]
             -Rogers
       -PR
             -Herbert G. Klein
             -Announcements
                   -Press relations
                         -Buchanan’s and Allin’s view
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                              -Brennan
                              -Scali
     -1972 election
           -George S. McGovern results
     -Blacks
     -Jews

Domestic issues
    -Democratic Party
           -Blacks
                -Reception
                -Welfare
                     -Colson’s conversation with Peter Fosco

Second term reorganization
     -Black ambassador
           -Need to appoint

Domestic issues
    -Blacks
           -Welfare, busing
           -Robert J. Brown

Second term reorganization
     -Brennan
           -Confirmation
                  -Effect
     -PR
           -Colson’s work with Kenneth W. Clawson, Richard A. Moore, William L.
            Safire
           -Safire’s work on historical research
                  -Publicity for second term changes
     -James T. Lynn
           -Commerce Department
           -Political background

New Majority
    -Press relations
          -Helen Thomas
                 -Reception
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                           -Democrats
                               -Colson
                -Reception
                      -Colson’s conversation with an unknown woman reporter
                            -Aristocracy
                      -International Brotherhood of Teamsters
                      -Unknown person
                            -Teamsters
                            -Philadelphia
                            -Children
                            -Italian-Americans, Catholic background
                      -Women reporters
                -Christmas
                -Visits to White House
                      -Analogy to “Age of Jackson”
                            -Republican President
                      -Labor leaders, Italian-Americans, Polish-Americans and Democrats
                            -Church service
                            -Republican President
                                   -Thomas
                            -Church service
                                   -Guest list
                                         -Duplication
                      -Richard M. Scammon
                      -Labor leaders

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      1972 election
           -Richard M. Scammon
           -Results
                  -Arizona
                  -Missouri

      New Majority
          -The President’s view
                -Compared to Republicans
                     -Arrogance
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             -Peter H. Dominick
             -Clark MacGregor
             -Republican candidates
                   -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon, Julie Nixon Eisenhower, Tricia Nixon Cox, and
                    other surrogates
                   -Campaign support
             -White House Christmas tree lighting reception for the President’s supporters
                   -Michael P. Balzano, Jr.
                   -Donald F. Rodgers
                   -Salvatore Provenzano [?]

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       Second term reorganization
            -Mickey Gardner
                  -White House staff
                  -Public Information Officer [PIO]
            -PIO officers
                  -Executive Office Building [EOB]
                  -Gardner
            -William J. Baroody, Jr.
                  -The President’s conversation with Haldeman
                  -Background check
                  -Labor groups
                  -Lobbies
                  -Conservatism
                        -Colson’s conversation with William P. Rogers

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 11:30 am.

       Haldeman’s schedule

       Vietnam negotiations
            -Henry A. Kissinger’s press conference
                 -Timing

Bull left at an unknown time before 12:11 pm.
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       Second term reorganization
            -Baroody
                  -Conservatism
                  -Intelligence
                  -The President’s trip to the People’ Republic of China [PRC]
            -Managerial skills
                  -Frederic V. Malek
                  -Typical manager
                         -Harvard University business school
                         -Loyalty to the President
                              -Unknown Polish-American lawyer
                                     -Compared to White Anglo-Saxon Protestant [WASP]
                                     -Education
                                           -Loyola University

Bull entered at an unknown time after 11:30 am.

       The President’s schedule
            -Kissinger’s briefing
                  -Timing
            -Haldeman’s schedule
            -Meeting with Kissinger
                  -Timing
                         -Kissinger’s briefing
                               -Duration
                               -Possible telephone calls

Bull left at an unknown time before 12:11 pm.

       Harvard University
            -John F. Kennedy Center
                  -Teachers
                        -Background
                        -McGovern supporters
                  -Republican participation
                  -John D. Ehrlichman
                        -Conversation with Colson
                  -American Enterprise Institute [AEI]
                        -Colson’s efforts
                        -Funding
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Press relations
      -Columbia Broadcasting Company [CBS]
             -Colson’s conversation with William S. Paley
                   -Haldeman
                   -Paley’s request for a meeting
                          -Timing
             -Dan Rather, Walter L. Cronkite, Jr.
             -Rowland Evans
             -Peter A. Diamond
                   -Massachusetts Institute of Technology [MIT]
                   -Political orientation
      -Social events
             -Coverage
                   -Women reporters
                   -Reception
      -Reception
             -Patricia (Hughes) Colson’s comments comparing coverage of the President
              to Kennedy
                   -Human interest
      -CBS
             -Cronkite

Second term reorganization
     -Agencies and Departments
           -Loyalty to the President
                 -Colson’s work with Brennan, unknown person
                 -Brennan
                       -Labor Department
     -Shultz
           -Conversation with Colson
                 -Morton
     -Laurence H. Silberman
           -Judgeship
     -Egil (“Bud”) Krogh, Jr.
           -EOB
     -Internal Revenue Service [IRS]
           -George D. Webster
                 -Confirmation
                 -Conversation with Colson
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                        -Confirmation
                             -Tennessee farm
                             -Howard W. Cannon
                             -Howard H. Baker, Jr.
                             -Background check

       The President’s official portrait
            -Colson’s conversation with Haldeman
            -Embassies
            -Distribution
                  -Public buildings
                         -Government Service Administration [GSA]

       Press relations
             -“Things They Would Like to Forget”
                    -US Information Agency [USIA]
                         -James Keogh
                               -Conversation with Colson
                                     -McGovern
                    -Accuracy in Media [AIM] report
                         -Distribution
                               -Congressmen, editors
             -White House press corps
                    -Ralph Nader article
                         -Response
             -Nader’s taxes
                    -Audit
                         -Webster’s assignment

       Connally
            -Conversation with Colson
            -Schedule
                 -Cabinet dinner

The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 11:30 am and
12:11 pm.

[Conversation No. 382-2A]

[See Conversation No. 34-96]
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[End of telephone conversation]

       Connally’s schedule
            -Cabinet dinner

The President talked with Alexander P. Butterfield between 12:11 pm and 12:12 pm.

[Conversation No. 382-2B]

[See Conversation No. 34-97]

[End of telephone conversation]

       Press relations
             -AIM
                    -News summary
                    -Article about bias
                          -Unknown New York businessman
                                -Xerox copy
                          -US mining of Haiphong Habor
                          -CBS
                          -Distribution
                                -Editors
                                -Xerox copy
                                      -Unknown New York businessman
                          -CBS
                          -Newsweek
                          -CBS
                                -George S. McGovern
                          -US mining of Haiphong
                                -New York Times
                                -Washington Post

       1972 election
            -The Left
                   -Reaction

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       Edward M. Kennedy’s speech
           -Relations with moderate Democrats
           -McGovern
           -Change of party affiliation by Democrats
                 -Patrick J. Buchanan, Michael J. Maye
                 -Need to establish momentum
                 -Frank L. Rizzo
                 -Ethnics
                 -Robert S. Strauss
                 -John B. Connally
                       -Future plans
                       -Conversation with Colson

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       Vietnam War
            -Negotiations
                  -Kissinger’s press conference
                        -North Vietnam’s delays
                               -Prisoners of War [POWs]
                        -Casualties
                               -US, North and South Vietnam
                        -Settlement agreement
                        -North Vietnam’s delays
                               -Offensive
                        -Follow-up
                               -US bombing north of 20th Parallel
                                     -Hanoi, Haiphong
            -US bombing north of 20th Parallel
                  -US public opinion
                  -Effect on North Vietnam
                  -Limitation
                        -Effect
            -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
                  -Views
                        -Congressional relations
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                   -Cut off of US aid to South Vietnam
             -Nguyen Van Thieu
                   -Letters from the President
-Negotiations
       -Continuation
-US bombing north of 20th Parallel
       -Kissinger
       -Congressional relations
       -Le Duc Tho
             -Statement
                   -Tone
       -Domestic reaction
       -Duration
             -January-February 1973
       -Kissinger
       -Negotiations
             -Pressure on North Vietnam
-Congressional relations
       -Cut off of US aid to South Vietnam
             -Agnew’s view
                   -Charles McC. Mathias, Charles H. Percy
             -House of Representatives, Senate
             -Supplemental spending bill
             -Military
                   -Pentagon
-Vietnamization
       -Announcement
             -January 1973
-Settlement agreement
       -North and South Vietnam
       -Cease-fire
       -POWs
       -McGovern’s view
       -Thieu
       -Public opinion
             -POWs
                   -Honor
             -Cease-fire
                   -North Vietnamese troops in South Vietnam
             -Thieu’s retention
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                -Vietnamization
          -Congressional relations
          -US withdrawal and cessation of US bombing and mining of North Vietnam
                -POWs
                      -North Vietnam’s possible demand
                            -Cut off of US aid to South Vietnam
                                  -Congressional relations
          -North Vietnam’s demands
                -US public opinion
     -The President’s May 8, 1972 decision
          -Domestic reaction
                -The President’s advisers’ view
     -Breakdown in negotiations
          -North Vietnam’s responsibility
                -Kissinger’s press conference
     -US bombing north of 20th Parallel
          -Compared to the President’s May 8, 1972 decision
                -North Vietnam’s invasion of South Vietnam
          -POWs
     -US public opinion
          -Communists
          -Thieu
          -POWs
                -Honor
     -US bombing north of 20th Parallel
          -Effect on North Vietnam
                -Negotiations
                      -Tone
                      -The President’s first term
                            -Passive
                      -1972 election
                            -Results
                            -McGovern
                                  -“Doves”
                      -Congressional relations

Second term reorganization
     -PR
           -Ronald L. Ziegler
           -Clawson
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                  -Carryovers
                  -The President’s official portrait
                        -Labor Department
                              -Brennan
                                    -Robert Armayo
                                          -1972 campaign
                                          -Kennedy photographs, US flags
                              -Hodgson
                              -Shultz

       Shultz’s views
             -Liberalism
                   -Sidney Hook

       Second term reorganization
            -Bureaucracy
                  -Colson’s conversation with Louis P. Harris

Bull entered at an unknown time after 12:12 pm.

       The President’s schedule
            -Kissinger’s press conference
                  -Completion
            -Haldeman
            -Kissinger
                  -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.

Bull left at an unknown time before 12:45 pm.

       Second term reorganization
            -Colson’s conversation with Harris
                  -Bureau of Labor Statistics [BLS]
                         -Unemployment statistics
                               -Albert E. Sindlinger
            -Press relations
                  -New personnel
                  -Historical significance
            -Second level appointees
                  -Italian-Americans, Polish-Americans
            -Ambassadors
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                   -Labor
                        -James Suffridge and Einar Mohn
                             -Advantages
                                   -Symbolism

       Labor relations
            -George Meany

       Press relations
             -William S. Paley
                    -Buchanan
             -Colson
                    -Washington Post article
                           -John A. Scali
             -Garnett D. (“Jack”) Horner’s interview with the President
             -Announcements
             -Washington Star, Washington Post
                    -Scali
             -Clay T. (“Tom”) Whitehead
                    -Networks
                           -Coverage
                                 -Fairness
             -Vietnam War
                    -US bombing north of 20th Parallel

Colson left at 12:45 pm.

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Oh, wonderful.
And I think now that we've gotten to do a little bit better job, I can see bigger
I said, well, we got that out.
Did you see?
Did you read it?
No.
They didn't get out, did they?
I'm sure a study of second and third chapters, the version of second chapters, that the number of chapters, of course, we checked one of these important, Rogers, Schultz, Schultz, I don't know if you can check, but the other hand,
You probably have one in terms of that.
The only time the first administration was only one cabinet officer, that was the second.
Second, it's the first, it's the most changes in the cabinet that we can agree to move from one place to another.
It's a change.
Third,
The doctor should be very calm now.
I've had an action course with the captain, but I've got two years.
Ron, if he hits a candle, then the bottle.
Of course, I've got to go to work.
I've got to go to work.
I've got to go to work.
I've got to go to work.
represent nationally, but the South put in the back of the regional experience, so forth and so on.
Then the big story, though, has got to be the one that the reach level at the second level is the biggest in history.
As Johnson told Kent, children, in his greatest respect to children,
you could say, you could get somebody like a Marianne Means, even, or somebody who's right, and get it out.
What I know is that he was told in, what he was told in, his biggest mistake was when he was elected in his own right, he did not fit in the House, not simply at the Cabinet level, but at the sub-Cabinet and the super-grade level, special C levels, because it meant that his own men were not there.
In other words, pick up that crowning piece, pick up the crowning piece, and then say,
This is the greatest.
has ever happened and saved 35%.
Now, of course, Haldeman kicked his ass three or four times yesterday, but he's got to get out the story with regard to the cuts in the White House.
That's supposed to be the lead.
It hasn't gotten out yet.
And I know part of the reason why he said that we were going to cut 50%, but he hasn't announced that it's cut 50%.
See my point?
It's got to be in the House.
Barbara probably is interested in doing that.
Yes, it is.
No question.
You see now, that's kind of an in-chip.
Those things have got to get out.
You can kick all those out of town, people in the ass, and say, now where is it?
And get a plan, and get it out.
And the reorganization crap will get out of hand.
Look at the news, and they'll all know it.
And I agree, the new summary tends to pick up all the problems that we didn't get to.
We threw it out there.
I think it totally picked up.
Don't get me wrong.
Oh, absolutely.
It did, but I heard the story was getting out.
In fact, I picked up a new summary.
And I'm not going to judge.
I don't know if I have enough of that.
That's the problem.
Basically, the fourth one.
They read the media.
They get so mad at what they see.
And they hate the media.
And they do pick up on the worst.
I think, I know more about what people are saying.
Because our reaction, sitting here right now, is really valid, what people say.
I don't know.
I had a talk with a lot of people who said to me last night, that's good.
The president's picking on bureaucracy, but I'm not saying that.
I'm ashamed of that.
That is getting out of hand.
I want you to get on another little story.
A friend, when he came through the line, you know one thing I did?
I went through there, and I said, I didn't see the president's picture in a number of the offices in the top people, and I found my first president's picture in the top people.
And here we had Schultz and Hodgson in that office, and they were talking that thing about those pictures, and Chuck says, true, true, this whole goddamn government, because it's true that through this government, I bet it's true, I bet the Rogers office,
Over there at the State Department, you'll find my picture of Dan Sullivan.
I don't care if it isn't that, but the point is, they think it's who the crutches they're working for.
Well, that's one story that's present.
I was going to get out as soon as I could get it.
I'm in a piece of time to sit with a new man.
I sit with a good columnist, and right as I go, they'll make a columnist.
They didn't get a van.
I said, what the hell?
Where's the president?
They got everybody else in the flat van?
It's up here.
The only criticism I have now is that it's filled with my office in terms of tech management.
And if there's no politics, that, of course, is a demerit.
That's the best people you get because they're politicians.
I understand that.
I understand that.
Yeah, but first, we've had our little problems, you know, with politicians like Trump.
He's been very, very bad when it comes to that, Mr. Secretary.
Well, it's almost a disaster.
He's lost many places, I believe.
He's a good politician.
He understands people in that instance.
I'm trying to have a good politician.
Oh, I agree.
I always heard about him.
He was considered to be a good politician.
He was a good man.
I think both of them.
I think both of them did very well.
They took a lot of time.
Everybody loved John Booth.
Insurance people did, and that's what you did next.
This guy was out on the road and he wanted to get up to that point.
The truck was open and he did it out.
Everybody he served, the airline was open.
The only thing I can tell you about the department was that he did a damn good job.
I know the guy's here said, well, he wasn't responsible.
But, yeah, he was going to be dead.
And, you know, he was looking at everybody.
He was in good condition.
And, boy, I told you so.
And everybody didn't know.
Oh, I know.
I was telling this to people.
It wasn't what they did.
It was my voice.
It was the government.
No, we're doing him a favor.
We're going to give him to him.
He loves him.
He's going to be great.
And you know what else?
All these crowds he wants.
I don't know.
One of the good things is that he never looks out of place.
And he may get more things to do.
Oh, and his son.
But it's all right.
He'll never want to put him in it.
He's faded as long as he lives, right?
I'm sorry.
I know he's...
Well, I think, I guess what I'm saying, there are those people who have that kind of enthusiasm.
We've got to give them a second look, that's what we're doing.
But on the other hand, let me say to you again, Finch, he was a politician.
He was a disaster.
He was a disaster.
He was a good man.
So here's our problem.
Everybody loves Bob Finch.
Everybody says, oh, God, he's...
Well, I just got a whole line of the winds of change.
the first time that they're on one.
Let's look at some of the things that we hear are positive there.
But why the hell do they sit down and think like this, Jack?
Anybody that sits down and thinks like this, they don't.
This is the first business, the first business, the first business, the first business.
Therefore, this adds up to a hell of a story of change, you see.
All we gotta check is, check the previous administration.
How many Roosevelt changed in 36?
How many did D.R.
change in 1904?
How many did D.R.
change in 1956?
Just take those.
That's all you need to do.
We are taking the whole underground chain.
Martin, he's still announced.
And if you could make that point with regard to Schultz, he's still announced.
You've changed the undersecretary's change.
You see my point?
And the IRS, can you make that point?
Obviously, with regard to Bill Rodgers, we're changing it.
We need to change it.
But it's a hell of a story of change.
But you've got to tell it to them.
Get it written by a few people.
And then circulate it.
Go for it.
The biggest thing, Mr. President, I...
Your point is absolutely right.
It doesn't make as good a case as...
Some of it's got to have...
I don't know.
It's got to have... A lot of it's got to have.
I mean, the country has to have... Actually, I've got to tell you, because I made an announcement.
What happens is...
He made a big announcement.
And then he did that.
The stories now are running the question.
We can't know right now.
Well, the president announced, well, there ain't much happening.
Well, there's just musical chairs, and there's a group of designs that are on a new basis.
That's why I've read it.
Scallions.
Everybody.
It's a new man and a new job.
And it comes from government that is disqualified.
Don't bring him outside of government.
28, 38% of the voters are from the government.
Uh-huh.
Thank God.
I can't.
Why?
I don't know why.
Oh, that's a crap of a lot.
What are you, what about the, what about the blacks, the Jews?
Shit.
They're all the same.
I can't.
I don't know why.
I don't know why.
I don't know why.
I don't know why.
I don't know why.
because they were less inclined to try to put up a fight.
It's a very big, underlying, unspoken issue, but they just, you know, if you put that out, it's out.
Who was it that built it?
Why did they do the rally?
Why did they do the rally is because the National Republic just had a little, oh, we did less of it.
We were talking about this last week,
He said, yeah.
He said, oh, that's fantastic.
And he said, they're all with us.
And he said, all you got to do is get out of the ground and start fighting.
And he said, that's what I'm going to do.
And he said, that's what I'm going to do.
And he said, that's what I'm going to do.
And he said, that's what I'm going to do.
The Democrats have catered to the West, and that's what this portion thinks.
They have a fight with the others.
They're fighting the West.
That's just, God, that's just the way it was.
The vision's not out there.
And I, we'll do a very good, I'll sit down with you, but we'll fight back, and fight through back and forth.
I don't know.
The more that gets publicized, the better off we are.
That would be a lovely way to get better at it.
Well, I don't sit down and discuss it with the boss, and we get to work, and see if we can't do a little more with the facts.
That's what I think.
He said, why are all these people here?
Because they love that man.
fencing around for a bit of a Democrat visit.
And I said, she's got me.
She said, why are these people here?
I said, because they're workforce.
They're good people.
They're representing CrossFit in this country.
And they love that man.
And they were, you know, she was a very good person.
They don't predict what we're going to do.
We've got to portray them.
So our whole show, we're going to have a professional video.
Well, those gals, I don't know, I've never seen, I've tried to avoid them.
names, the city boards, and the people that are going to, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,
Catholic, you know, two and a half, one of us, and that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, you know, uh, you know, but we'll, we'll get both of them, so we'll have more people, and we'll have, you know, we'll start having, you know, whatever it was, you know, at least things were, were, you know, we never did anything out of it, I don't know why, because that's what it was, but, but,
We had a great good playoff.
We had a great good playoff.
We had a great good playoff.
We had a great good playoff.
I believe it was Mary Phillips.
Instead of the, get that story out to the Black Jacksons, except they didn't have a bus machine.
Right?
Are you?
Yeah.
Get some of our colleagues, get some of our colleagues.
If you ever come to think, you know, to the age of Jackson.
No, I recall it.
Who brings in the later leaders?
Oh, you might say, these are the later leaders.
They were Italians.
They were Poles and so forth.
And they were immigrants.
This is the first time we've ever been in the White House.
They took our Republican, because I didn't know I was going to take it exactly the way I was going to take it.
They took our Republican to the White House.
They were never invited.
They were never invited.
You know my point?
These common folks, the working folks, that's the story I want so, so, so many veterans.
I didn't know it.
I didn't know it.
I didn't know it.
I didn't know it.
I didn't know it.
But you'll have to, you'll have to, you'll have to scan it.
All right.
We'll say when you have to.
All right.
Well, I've got to look for your help.
All right.
If it's real, scan it.
If it's real, scan it.
Right.
Right.
Goddamn, that is to the poor.
And I say to the public.
I don't mean to injure friends of mine.
I like them.
But they're so damn snobbish and stupid and lame and bitchy.
Goddamn, they should be saying what a hell of a thing.
And of course, it's hurtful.
Why doesn't your grader say something, Tom?
Doesn't he say something, Tom?
Yeah, I've been writing a letter to the president, which is a very good one, to all of us.
All of those events that we did this year.
I should not want to mention them right now, but it's a damsel that I trust a little over.
This is the first time I'm going to be doing anything this year.
And those pictures on tape, they're out of it.
I like it.
The mayor, when he has to put in tax and things, you know, everybody knows it's good.
And I can't think of it.
So, uh,
The event last night, you know, you and the rest of them, they came through, they came through on the Christmas tree.
When they go through and have lunch, you know, they all seem to be happy to be here.
They're all walking off the ground.
Literally.
See, those people really appreciate it.
Our people appreciate it, but they expect it.
These people need to expect it.
And I had a son over there, and I had a brother.
I don't know.
I don't care what he said.
I don't know.
I did that, and I did that.
I did that.
I did that.
I did that.
I did that.
He's smart, isn't he?
Able.
What player could it be, but I don't know why I was going to ask you, but I don't want to come into this losing path of that player.
I don't know.
You're kind of finding the right place for me.
It's over.
Okay, great.
Great.
See you all later.
I'll leave you to put him over there.
Why don't we require him to just do anything?
A P.I.O.
officer.
Is he a P.I.O.
officer?
You can put him in as a PIO officer, because I'm going to make those PIO officers work that way, and also the research record.
They're all going to congregate here in the EOB once a week, just as if they were working here.
See what I mean?
See?
And he'd be there, so they could have a...
I don't know.
All right.
And he's very, very, very concerned.
He said a lot about what he wanted.
He said he was invited somewhere.
I mean, he said he was very, very concerned.
But at that time, all I had to do was give him a little call and say, sir,
It's more important to get that done now.
Find out, uh, find out what the disagree with you can, like approximately.
Yeah.
Bring it back.
No, but we end up here.
You see, when you go after a symptom and endure your time, you inevitably end up, even though now I've got less injury trauma, I've got less of this.
But you end up with,
The Harvard School of Business.
All that bullshit.
By the time you're through, you've got the same kind of people who are... Well, they could...
They could probably hit the forest, but... Shit, they don't have that sense of burning loyalty that we need.
I thought that fool would...
He told me he wouldn't want me to go last year.
I didn't know what to do with him.
I think we're doing pretty good.
I'm pretty good at answering those kinds of questions.
They're black rather than some asshole they want in there.
Sure.
I mean, some guy will eat some block.
He's perfectly qualified to have a better education.
I don't give a shit about the education.
I was kind of looking at him the other night.
I was like, I don't know.
I don't even know if that's how it works.
Don't rush.
I'm going to have to see Henry anyway.
Henry should come in after.
Oh, wait a minute.
Watch this.
I'm a bit drunk.
I'm going to go in and make sure.
Send the briefing to the door.
Call me.
And I'll try to see if you have any briefings.
I want to catch you before you start making a call.
I see that Harvard Kennedy Center is having a session
of the assholes that are teaching them, and find out whether it is probably true that several of them endorse McGovern.
Find out.
They should be asked.
Ask them.
Because I'm willing to get a couple of people if I have the ten percent of them who would.
Ask them.
Find out.
And so this is the McGovern Center that I find out.
And warn the goddamn Republicans off of it.
That's where we, that's where we Where's our briefing center?
AEI
But if I have some time now, yes, I will.
I will get that bill up.
I assure you of that.
That's begun to do us some damage.
Okay.
But it will do justice now.
As soon as that bill is up, I'm not going to show up.
I'm not going to show up.
I'm not going to show up.
I'm not going to show up.
I'm not going to show up.
I'm not going to show up.
I'm not going to show up.
I couldn't get to the box office.
He said, when can I come tomorrow morning?
And I said, no.
He said, Saturday?
I said, no.
He said, Monday?
I said, all right.
What time?
I said, oh, 1 o'clock.
Oh, 1 o'clock.
Sorry.
I didn't want to get it, because it was the guy that he was dealing with, and I was sitting there trying to figure it out.
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So the CDSF twice as much as you had already done three detectives on there.
And that means they're a plus one.
It's just a fact.
You're going to have to live with that unless you want to change the fact.
That's what I'm going to say.
We don't have to check the analytics on the three detectives.
We did one on the pro stuff, too.
We want a fair share.
You know, I wonder if at those functions, we shouldn't stop letting those goddamn press limits
watching those people come through, and I like that much of it.
I can't believe it's constant.
I think they should see 10 minutes of it and get their ass out of it.
Look at all the pictures.
If you had a decent one, it'd be all right.
You could get every one of them.
Well, there's a very good TV in there.
They've got a little code on that one.
They did, like I said, they picked up that one.
That one's really good.
I'm sure that's probably a nice touch.
My wife said it's fine.
That's what that is.
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I haven't been spending much time trying to figure out how to do this, but I definitely know what you're up to.
I know well, generally, how to get the right people in at the next level.
And that's where, you know, the last school is going to be.
And I've been working with Brandon on that, and working with Jim on that.
And it's very, very important, you know, in those agencies, that we get just a hard-core, accurate, and consistent person.
I don't know what I'm talking about.
And it was so apparent on the face that I just knew it.
And he said, well, maybe we should have looked for it.
And he gave no squabble at all.
And I went for it.
And he felt very, I'm trying to listen to the details of how they made a settlement with the judge.
And I just thought, oh, my God, they're going to go back behind me and get rid of me.
You heard a little out there, didn't you?
I'd be glad to try on some of these with the tights and everything.
Yes.
So that's the, this is a terrible thing to do.
And we're getting there, isn't it?
Does the road really understand the problem?
I mean, it really does.
I talked to him last night.
He's got to be ready for a hell of a time.
At least at later he managed to help him.
You know what his mission is?
He runs the park.
Right.
And Penn State, he said, you know, hey, he said, I've got a car.
He said, everything.
He said, what's the law?
He said, well, it's not a job.
He said, here it is.
And apparently, I already have it.
It's a business measure.
You'll talk to all of them about this picture.
Get a new picture.
Get a new picture.
Get a new picture.
Get a new picture.
Get a new picture.
I'm assuming that they know.
Get online.
You see, you've got to continue the battle and meet them.
Now, where the hell did that come from?
Well, we ended up, the battery was over, and Jim Keogh was the one who bought it, and he made it to the FUSA, and now it's been recorded.
Last weekend, I read the paper, and he said he was going to do it.
I know it is.
The idea, for example, Nader's piece, where he says the White House pressed for a bunch of lap dogs.
I'd go as an answer to Nader.
Maybe somebody mentioned that.
What in the name of Christ are we talking about?
The dog fights the man.
Man fights the dog.
You ever talk to a cop again?
Yes, well, I haven't seen that in Madison for a week.
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I will see you.
Yeah, probably not coming.
What is the common problem?
Is he that way or what?
You know, the A.R.M.
has been one of the most incredible things we've done.
You don't see it, but it's incredible.
A businessman I know in New York sent me a Xerox copy of it.
And he said, he sent me a little note.
He said, you really are a great business.
It's the best thing I've ever seen.
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It's game circulation.
I'm sure there's one right now.
I don't know if there's one right now.
It really is what Jesus is.
And of course, the New York Times and the Washington Post started to cut down on the success of mining by law.
All the things they said that they were saying is that the New York Times and the case of mining will have no effect on any of the other things in the world.
It just doesn't happen.
I long for a good, good time.
Third, we've got to keep it up.
So that's it.
It's all been going.
It's the gripping of the world, and we've won the election.
So many of our people have been back from election to election, but we've won the election, and so have our people.
We want to remember that the left now is enraged and frustrated and battled and trying to figure out how are they going to go back at us.
Do you agree with my analysis or not?
I don't think they're respecting the fact that we won it all.
And they, on another scale, they're present.
They are present.
They are regrouping right now, trying to figure out how to replace them.
I think Kennedy's neutralizing them is not a good, not a setting point.
He was speaking to a group of moderate Democrats, most of whom had their votes.
What he was trying to say to them is that he's not going to be a spoiler of the far left.
or extreme force, he was trying to regain, regain his own respectability to that group, and through that group, tell what kind of Democrats he had in view of this week, that he's not going to be in that view, that is a recognition of his right, that those people who don't agree with him, have to go back, and they've got to go back.
This is why I'm kind of ashamed, I have chosen all kinds of sources to do this, and those are big ones.
But if they were asked, and if someone else did, or if we asked, it might move.
A great number of them would.
That book stays active.
It stays active, seriously.
And I tell them, Karen, the police beneficial guy, was sitting in the van, I think, with Mike May from New York.
Mike May had a ship with Mike May, so he used to devote.
And Karen said he was that beautiful guy.
I don't know.
And you need a couple of breaks.
I've done it with all of them.
I've done it with all of them.
I've done it with all of them.
I've done it with all of them.
Well, I didn't want to worry.
I didn't contemplate it.
You know, it was a party thing.
Sharkers were everybody.
He said, he agreed.
He said, he'd like to take me, sir.
The question is very important.
The question is, you've been hunting the game for a sentence, you know.
And I hope the court records make them any more money.
That's one thing we've got to do, I hope.
But I know that's a reason for a lot of practice, too, because I've done a hell of a lot.
I've been trying to do a lot.
And, uh, but very frankly, you know, at the time, no matter what you've done, if you try to do the play as hard as you've done the play as long as you've done it,
You know what I mean?
If they decide, we can decide.
They're gonna have to have voters.
You've got to be honest.
You've got to be honest.
You've got to be honest.
You've got to be honest.
You've got to be honest.
You've got to be honest.
You've got to be honest.
What is your feeling on that?
No, uh-huh.
The Vietnam thing.
We've got pennies.
We've got a lot of questions.
We've got a lot of questions.
You know, that was such a good idea.
Thank you.
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The, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh,
The question is, as far as the American public reaction, the American public reaction is not good.
Two percent, about a hundred.
Two percent, about a hundred.
The question is, because in the end, this is the .
Yes, it sometimes does.
Or it could keep it up for a while.
The other question is,
The question is...
God damn it, that is insane.
He is a, Jackie is not sane.
He does not have any.
And his radiology is incredible.
I'm just, I don't know what to do.
I don't know what to do.
It's so difficult to do that.
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Thank you.
We knew it very hard.
That's the reaction.
You have to separate it.
I can't.
I don't know what's going through his mind.
I saw that statement, but I guess that's the first thing to do.
It wasn't quite that because I think your reaction must have been the same.
No, it wasn't.
No, it's not.
You aren't going to change.
The need is reaction.
Whether it's how you point about it, whether it's how you treat your children, whether it's five days or six days, and it doesn't make a difference.
It does.
It's very difficult to deal with right now.
I don't know if you see the question.
Because I think that, you know, a matter of months.
I mean, I'm closer to January, February.
Yeah.
So it was positive.
I figured, maybe the next year, they're going to have to do something.
I mean, it's not going to end up right.
I think if, if, if we're hurting it,
One thing is that I, this is a personal panel, but if one thing is that the District Chief wasn't able to deliver on his commitment, and that's now going to be acknowledged, then I think it would be a great opportunity for federal writing to not only get the answer, but to go back to your assessment.
Again, I feel that, but I'd rather not that it should happen in the life of a federal judge.
But the talks won't be used as a pretext or excuse
That seems all the pressure on me.
I don't worry about it.
I just don't.
I think you're going to find that you were hurt because of bias.
All right.
You can leave it open.
That's a stand-in.
That's a stand-in.
That's a stand-in.
That's a stand-in.
That's a stand-in.
That's a stand-in.
But I don't think...
The other solution you talked about, I'm asking on January 1st, is to say, I feel like we're going out in the lane that you used to work out in the building.
It's a possibility.
Greta, she has three of them.
We said January 3rd, you're getting out of this.
That's good to remind them.
Forget it.
Of course, we know about it.
But still, it's still a slight variation on the deal.
He said we'd move on, but we're going to have to stay home.
So we can get a piece of the world.
Last Saturday night, nearly once, we waited and suffered.
We were just fighting.
We were fighting.
We were just fighting.
We were just fighting.
We were just fighting.
I think we would.
I think we would.
I think the relief at the end of the war was a sure death.
I think we would again.
You know, if we really go through all that, you know, the good idea doesn't come to mind.
I wanted to get all these things, but I wanted to ask you a question.
A lot of them are, you know, there's less than a hundred of them, I'm sure, and then there's
The U.S. seems to be very in place with it.
The U.S. seems to be very in place with it.
The U.S. seems to be very in place with it.
We're very in that way that whatever the best career you can get at will give you a much better solution.
It might even be a good idea to just cut it out.
Cut it out.
Just cut it out.
That's it.
We should see that we can do it today.
We're going to go ahead and see what we can get out of it.
You know, I'm very excited about it.
We've got something in the world that we should know about.
I think what we can do is I think we have a situation where we would offer to get out and return to where we were offered and return to the field that we stopped on in my opinion to draw on what you said you were saying
They would insist on stopping all day.
I don't think their Congress would go that far.
Oh, they won't?
No, sir.
Then they should say that.
No, on that, he would rather...
He would say...
He would say, then I asked him, who was the attorney?
He would say, the P-11.
Oh, he invested in it.
It's not even that.
It's being pushed around by the market.
It's being dictated to us by the market.
We've hired people that way.
And that's why it's needed.
We've got an opposite connection.
Like, how about people that way?
How about people that way?
If you remember at the time, there was a lot of you.
Your advisors were saying, you're going to have a hell of a problem with this.
You're going to have to be here at one point.
You're going to have to be here at one point.
It was just the reverse.
That's the other argument.
They don't, in the case, they just do that because this was a trade.
Why are you trying to do that to them?
Then you've got the public in a position where they can just go on and on and on.
You put a paper, and you say, you know,
You know what I mean?
You know what I don't know.
You know what I mean?
You know what I mean?
You know what I mean?
You know what I mean?
Thank you.
Thank you.
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And you can take it to places.
You can start, like, with a symbolic and say, you know, go seriously.
You're stepping into it.
You give that time to show the end.
I guess that's what you do is you have to give that time to show the end.
Yeah.
I can't believe they haven't done it.
I don't think they haven't done it.
They haven't done it.
They haven't done it.
They haven't done it.
They haven't done it.
They haven't done it.
There were more questions than I thought.
There were more questions than I thought.
There were more questions than I thought.
There were more questions than I thought.
There were more questions than I thought.
There were more questions than I thought.
There were more questions than I thought.
There were more questions than I thought.
What does it mean?
I will wait a little project.
But I mean, that's a story.
How many times did they have one?
How many were carried over?
Were there less carried over this time than any other time in the second term?
The more we can do, the more we have to run, right?
That will shake up this gap.
That's a different material.
It's always down to the surface.
You can see it.
It didn't rush down to the surface.
Sure.
Sure.
Sure.
Sure.
And Hatch never knew what was going on in that department.
People in that field don't know that.
George has the fundamental right to believe that all people are nice and decent.
And he doesn't realize that people are nice and decent.
So, Sidney cooked that piece of the basket a little bit longer.
Yeah, I should have served him.
You know, look, to the right of this thing, you've got to shake it down a little bit.
You're right.
Sir, yes, please.
All right.
All right.
All right.
All right.
All right.
All right.
All right.
All right.
Yeah, he said those people in BLS, he screwed them away.
He should have, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
He was a victim.
He was shot.
He was shot.
He was a criminal.
When I showed him, you know, what he said, you know, he said, I don't know what you're talking about.
I said, look at your head.
Look at your head.
Look at your head.
I think that, I think the story, I agree with the press, but I think the story of all those people, all those people I talked about, so they were, that story about the fact that you are, you are shaking up the government, what we now want to do is get the story about the fresh faces,
History.
A little bit of color.
A little bit.
A little bit of color.
A little bit of color.
Yeah.
We start getting the right people at the second level.
That'll help.
That'll help.
I think we should.
Why not both?
I think we should.
Is there anybody else?
Yeah, there's a couple of them in the lower left.
But you know both of them can happen.
Sovereign should be appointed because of long-time love of him, and a republic.
I don't know.
I don't know because of that.
It's my fault.
I don't know what to do.
It's an international worry.
It's international-minded.
We can't get it.
It's a smooth piece.
It's a smooth piece.
He's showing no signs of going backwards.
He's very cooperative.
I think one thing that's present that you've barely noticed is strong.
But that doesn't mean he isn't.
I think he's cute.
He came out of this thing a real winner.
He's going to stay very, very friendly.
I think that
I don't see it.
There's no shakiness in the alliance right now.
It's strong.
And I think one thing we tend to underestimate here is the impact that we have had on people in terms of the mediator is damned.
There's no question about that.
The material reaction, the way that his people came around to the cannon.
Frankly, the tough piece that Washington posted on the Scallion building, he checked, is switching inside the post center.
Probably wouldn't know, probably wouldn't even know that, you know, they're going on all that bad luck.
But that's, it's really a sign that they're, that they're all in this.
Because, because, you know, we're serious.
That morning when I was in the room, I told them, like, every, every announcement, every announcement, we've got to do this.
We've got to do this forever.
We've got to do this forever.
Now we just, there are a couple of them, but I'd give them way different positions.
We just teach this weekend.
That was really straight up with that person.
Very heavy.
Special responsibility is to be fair in the world of U.S. news, because they dominate the news in this country.
That's it.
Good.
Well, a few things we can do in that area, isn't it, Mike?
I'm sure you really are prepared now to do it.
But there is only one reaction, Chris.
We don't want to do it as far as we can.
Oh, yes, sir.