Nixon, Bush & Armstrong on Republican National Committee

Well, let's see.
I'm going to sit here.
George, you're sitting with her?
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What a great thing you've been doing.
Oh, thank you, buddy.
There's Julia.
That's her buddy.
Oh, great.
Julia, thank you, pal.
It's just lovely.
Sometimes you come to times when we just do that, man.
There's no time.
I got to report, I thought it was very good to get my notes that I wrote over the phone.
My dad mentioned it this morning, and I'm probably over here now.
So the notes are all from my father's church.
This is one that I showed him, and I told Bob I did the same.
I'm not a little kid that does this kind of stuff.
You know, I'm running around the South trying to get, and I hear we are just starting, you know, coming on the 74th election, and this is still not the most recent.
I'm glad you said that.
I thought it was.
We're waiting for a little bit of a president.
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We're waiting for a president.
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The first one, but I would say that the second one should be the second one.
But in order to go to the second one, you have to go to the first one.
And I thought I had seen one of the great detectors around here.
I was just going around trying to get some appearances.
How many of you have been talking about that?
Well, actually, we have a lot of options as far as the second one.
Well, you're
I wonder what, uh, you're getting back to your Mason thing.
Uh, uh, Bob Dole may come up with a different person than what you do.
I think, because I think I lost you on this, but I think Bob even then overdid it, for example, because, you know, the local Rotary Club in Sioux City was getting, and, uh,
a national channel of diversity in this video.
You know, you've got to go through this, but don't think you've got to do it yourself.
I don't think you've got to run the last in Milwaukee.
I think that this is a better advice, unless you're quite down there from the first, then you'll probably already discover that this is not the end.
Generally speaking, the National Committee is not a particularly short position.
Generally speaking, you must remember that many of our chairmen in the past, Ron Horton, Dr. Lipson, P. Larson, later, have spent so much time taking calls from the National Committee, trying to entertain the National Committee, and so forth.
They didn't have a job.
Your job, basically, is, I mean, you've got to look at it, you've got to sit away here at the top of your head and mitigate them.
Have somebody in your staff, you know, that holds their hands and gives you a chance to work on the rest.
But the main job that you have is you're a national figure.
There are some national states that are very good at it, but also sometimes it's public.
And then, beyond that, I think that I just wouldn't do anything
anything other than speaking, which inevitably was the main, the main chance in 1974.
And it's like, at the end of the day, it's the best work I've ever done.
Imagine how many of you have been in for a while and wanted to hear about your chapter job.
And a man goes through it, and she doesn't trust you, she doesn't trust Donna, she doesn't trust anyone, or someone.
Well, once you said it might have helped in any way in terms of getting pressure off of
I didn't do four overlays.
That thing, drafting that was before I sent you the little report.
But we are trying to, I mean, I disagree more with the concept of the job.
We're trying to medallion her.
You know, it's an awful job.
Jerry Ford says, you know, I've got a headache.
You know, that's a good word for it.
Jerry Ford is from Grand Rapids.
Nobody heard of him before he was a superman.
And yet he gets every number that you ever understand there.
Hey, you know what they're talking about.
But I agree and we're going to try to do it in terms of the committee.
I couldn't agree more.
I'm talking to him about this.
A lot of the whole definition of the committee is wrong.
The committee people, the actions run through the state channel.
Right, and so the Canadian people are superfluous in something, except when you've got a hard charger that does a good job.
But by definition, they're just not troubled by that.
But again, we do have people that can handle that.
Well, here's the main thing, I think, without...
The thing is still a little fleshed.
We're embarrassing them, actually.
Pat Wilson is taking a hold, and he's not a big giver.
He's a very big supporter of yours, but he's not a flashy kind of out front fellow, but he's very good.
He worked close to Al Cole was in today.
We're talking about that direct mailing.
And this thing is supporting us about 80% of the money from small givers.
And we don't get rid of the old.
It's not a sustaining money drug.
They think they're going to get a lot of money.
But that's not the issue.
They're all here.
So that part's working out well.
We've appointed Elaine Armstrong, who was the girl who killed Gallatin at 32 years old.
The architect there reads the whole thing, says it's filled her in the paper.
It's a Reagan person, which I think we closed the shelf.
Well, she thought of her.
No, she's not that.
She never met Reagan.
Reagan's all I care about.
She's a signing priest person.
That's a really strong thing.
We can't go through these things.
You're watching.
All you've got to rule out is a Bircher on the right, or basically, or a Janitz Whipple on the left, because that's what you're fighting.
You've got to be, but in that broader parameter, I mean, you can pick anyone.
You go to the right of center, the left of center.
For example, Rockefeller, he goes against Brock.
He told me about him, because he said Brock had spoken in the answer, and he was there.
I mean, I told you.
I always spoke in the answer.
He says, well, he was terrible.
Maybe you are in Tennessee, but he wasn't in the answer, and he doesn't.
Well, of course, Brock hasn't been there after his fight.
But even though Brock is in total crisis, he's going to be for whatever reason.
Brock is not going to go in there and try to get in and pick somebody or run.
You are right, Buckley is.
Rocky, if we went up, I went up, and he had a nice thing about him, and a very nice thing, and I assure you, we're going to say I'm a president, so we're going to focus on the new majority.
He now has an idea that I'm going to try to work out.
He has an Italian named Demento, the Secretary of State, we're going to check on him, find out where we technically got this, and that's another.
But to put him in, and it's in the head of our heritage today, instead of our freedom fighter, there's more of the image of the...
And you just tag it, and that gives you more time.
Yeah, yeah, there's some thing everywhere.
All these children are delicious.
Yeah.
And they're wonderful people.
But those of the Eastern European race, therefore, the antagonists, the big breakers that you made about the antagonists, and we're going to tag them.
And incidentally, don't overlook the polls.
It's impossible that we got them this time.
But they're more Democratic than we are.
Go ahead.
On their way, he's going to head a little committee to study the thing, so we then come up with the fact that he even had it.
And I think this will take the freedom fighter pressure off of us, and I think this will be brought.
We're very happy to see that he felt that the committee was backing him, and he did.
And talked about it, too.
So here's where we can't get any more.
And he told me about it.
I didn't.
But I have both requests.
Good.
If not, then we'll have a lady rest.
Well, I don't know.
He told me about it.
I saw you after that.
I saw it.
I saw it.
Well, he had an old letter citing Knopsinger, and I said, well, he's gone, so that's the only problem we got out there.
So, that's weird.
So, Craig Leonard is not a kid, is he?
Well, Craig Leonard is not a kid.
He was a guy that's a kid.
And I came here with my nine-eighths, and he let it go.
I mean, he did a good thing.
He's a tremendous fundraiser.
He's strong.
I think the fellow wants to do a good job, and
And this is the money people, and he turns up troops, and the people at hand admit it's good.
It's the only readable piece of town.
The best testimony I've ever heard from Monday.
Did you hear Monday?
Senator Walton said to see you.
He was waiting out the lobby.
And he was right.
And when he cleared your account, it was available out there.
It was Monday, so he sat about to start reading.
When?
He was reading Monday.
And when he wrote it, when he was doing it, he was sitting there.
And the captain goes, I brought money over, and it was still free.
And he turns her up, and he comes in right in front of your office and says, what is this new publication you're talking about?
I said, well, how do I get on the list for this?
And he says, you'll have the list.
Don't be content as a Democrat today, because if it's not his purpose, then you certainly won't be in a conversation like this.
This is the best goddamn thing I ever saw.
More information here, he said, is it copyrighted or can I use it for my newsletter?
And just, he said, he's waiting to get me 270,000 copies.
I'll mail it out to my newsletter.
Yes.
We'll check on it.
He said, why so little?
He doesn't get us in trouble.
Don't worry about it.
Everybody says, don't worry about the fact that you're getting into trouble.
Only if a publication or a speech provokes a reaction.
Is it worth it?
The title, you do not provoke a reaction.
So I often say to the press, that's helpful.
Then you're dead.
And you're struggling.
You best need to go ahead and deliberate in the purpose of insulting, of being provocative.
Some of our guys just are bomb girls.
Don't react, it's okay.
Don't get the guy that he took.
No, I think he could be in trouble.
But I think what I wanted to do was shift to the tone of the very thing a little and still keep it lively if he can.
And he wanted to do it.
I think that's what got me concerned about the Cursons.
You know who has distinguished Bob Dole?
Bob Dole is a, well, of course, he's got a lot of sharpshooter ties and so forth.
What did you decide about an additional publication or reflecting on your experience to bring in a letter or something that was more conciliatory?
One thing, that was George.
George didn't always have a letter in Monday, which is conciliatory.
He should have had one.
Yes, that's right.
That's right.
Well, here's the thing with that other thing I had suggested to George, if I'm correct, I know that I'm currently, that I'm up to it.
For special people, there are special people, I mean, maybe the top, the top 500 people, maybe, maybe it's a list of a thousand of them.
You could write a letter on a typewriter.
I'd just like to tell you how it went.
A guy like Al Goldstein, you know,
I just love to tell you what we're doing.
Don't write it as a piece of paper.
It's like a report.
And I would write about every two months.
Every two months, a letter.
Suppose, for example, we could get a letter to...
I'm going to try to do this, but I can only do it about four times a year.
You could file this draft with me, but at the end, you could write to them about not just politics, you might say,
I guess you'd like to comment upon that.
I think a lot of people enjoy that.
They love to hear about that.
Another thing that's good too, which I'm very pleased with, I want you, and you will not hardly believe this is what I'm directing you to, I want you built up among basically our core as the leader.
And I may hear it from you, my legs are a lot different from seeing you on television.
Now, I would pick,
Basically, what we call the poker and shaker list.
He has the Maury's fans listed at the top.
I would write that letter to him as a partisan.
I would write it to him and say, you should go to some of the Democrats.
But I think you're shitting them with that.
That they feel that they are not forgotten, that they are not appreciated.
I would put the email of your friends, your editor,
I've been looking at your major political meetings.
I made that meeting later on, and I said to cover them all.
I don't think you've got to cover the state.
You might say it's under the state general, or the Nixon general, or whoever's the best man on the state.
I mean, that's the way you're going to get it.
At that point, you don't have to figure you've got to cover a certain relation.
It's funny.
They said it was over some shakers, and they'll go out and do recess in the lake,
I said, I just got a letter from George Bush.
Don't get too many in one calendar.
Go ahead.
Well, here's what we've done.
The main thing is that I've been going through some problems on it.
First, I brought in a total problem.
Today, I thought I'd have a can of rings to hit it.
What we do is a cooperative effort between the congressional campaign committee, the Senate, and the RNC, the majority campaign.
And it's going to be, it will start on March 5th, and it will work for me.
But I'm trying to get, and this is the sensitive part now, we do this congressional thing, it's not on board, but I'm trying to get
uh, the congressional people and the senate committee and our federal, to have kind of a, you know, all have part of the actual reporting thing.
We need to have the house committee cooperation.
The problem is that, you know, here we go, well, we've got a 50,000 staff thing, and that's it.
And I can't do this.
Yes, sir.
It's going to be great.
Well, the problem is that slid back because of the debtor to May rather than March.
Oh, God.
And Bud Brown is restless.
If this thing comes down, if we get out and set this thing, he wants to do it.
If he's in there, one, we'll get better cooperation on his back.
Two, we'll get it.
George, let me ask you this.
I thought Bob was a clear understanding that Bud Brown, today, like today, is the director of cabinet.
He hasn't answered a message.
We're already starting to take over some of the implicit functions from that.
But that is more of a hand-holding operation than I'd like it to be, but it needs to be, because I don't want to crystallize that old animal up in here on the hill between the hill and the plank.
And I think it's going to work, but my next step is to, I called for it before I left to come up there to see what the G-beck, I'm not sure he's out, to get it, and that's what I did.
To get it pinned down, but the day is set, this background is a little vague on it, to get those out of there.
Wilson has been working with us on this Alaska thing.
But you can sense it.
You can see what's going through them and us.
And so I don't want to bore you with it.
I know I've been working out of it.
It's going to take a couple of weeks.
There are a couple of Joe Wilsons out in them.
But he's going to want to insert his own in his minutes on that staff.
And I know we've been working with it.
But some of these congressmen that come out, we're going to close the room, you know, once in a while.
And they say, well, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
That's right.
And we've got a job to do.
And so then the president wants to do it.
You've got a point.
You're getting your spirit back with the same.
Don't tell me if that's what went wrong.
So I think it's going to work.
But the only problem I can't take is that it all goes down now because this transition in the House is taking longer than we should have made.
So I know that you're aware, George, of the fact, you know, that they're grousing around and some of the bullets go up there about the financials.
It's totally answered.
I'm worried it's not so much important.
I thought they had a $200,000.
They had a, all of them had surpluses.
It's managed.
Managed to check every cent of Canada.
They didn't even know what it is they wanted.
I don't know what they're talking about.
If Wilson had a $500,000 surplus, why in the hell did he spend it?
You know?
I don't know.
I don't.
It's a vague thing.
It's a vague thing.
It's not a vague thing.
Yeah, but it's a vague thing.
They don't have any change.
What happened is, George, they didn't proceed.
Unfortunately, you know, we didn't see any terrorists within the Democratic Party.
But it seemed really, couldn't perceive the lens of anybody after me, who had any sense of motives, and anybody who saw the prevalence of the topic.
But by that time, all of our candidates were selected.
And in come these morons, you know, with senility, and they're young, they're queer.
Welcome to our candidates.
Our candidates.
I have never saw such a collection.
I haven't seen anybody that can.
There were some good ones.
And some were ugly.
If we had had the candidates, we would have elected them.
I was talking to Harry Bird today, and we were talking just about that.
He's going to be very helpful, as you probably already know.
He's for this Godwin thing.
He thinks Godwin should be endorsed as a Republican.
I don't know what the next guy's going to do.
I'm interested.
And he said, well, absolutely.
What's the plan?
So I think that's going to look pretty good.
But anyway, I think this new Democratic thing will work.
I think we're going to have the right kind of money.
This great dinner's important.
Those of you who have some financial problems, there's a lot of grassing out there.
Generally, things are going to be fine.
I'm not just talking about here, but
total cooperation with your staff here.
And it's been, you know, the patronage thing, we're trying to move it.
The thing I don't want to do is...
I don't want to do it.
No, nobody wants to do it.
The thing I don't want to do is just have the people doing the work up there on clearance and not have some, you know, some, at least not the final work, but some political input.
But the charts they present just are very good on that.
And we're working closely on that.
You know, we've got Adventists and everyone in the press just like anything.
You know, they all try to get me to say,
And I said, well, that's what the problem is.
I said, what's the problem?
What is the political problem?
And I just wouldn't tell him.
On the other hand, so that part worked pretty good.
And I just said to the committee, I hope you're talking about what I said.
Well, I'm against the plan.
Here, we clearly .
That's a .
Here, the politics has gone.
The men's office has gone.
Here, the political man.
I just .
You know, of course, you have to .
But I haven't been quite able to deny the political man.
The next time you're on a group, deny that.
The president calls on me to talk about this .
We're going to have to wait for a time to .
Well, it is of course not our industry, and nor is it a private industry.
And I would like to put this down as a bit of a curtain.
Unless Cahill, you're sure, or relatively sure, I don't think he's pushing for it, of course, but he does ask for it, so let him come on out.
The point is, unless he is, you've got to check with other conferring channels.
But that's the general journey, and he's as strong as Cahill is.
Because Charlie Sands can never win.
I know Charlie Sands.
Look, he's a great Nixon man.
But Charlie Sands is a writer, a gossiper, and he cannot win in the jersey for that kind of a person, in my opinion.
And they're looking the same old field.
Now, Cato's too far left.
He's not going to be that far left in the jersey.
But Cato is about right in the jersey.
Catholic, Irish, and all the rest of them.
So when I go to my group of folks, and this is an idea that's very important to say, when a candidate slides back, we're just going to count on you.
You're going to take responsibility.
If you decide to take this and that, you can come in.
And I'll bust it, in effect.
You've got to participate in these.
You've got to participate in these.
Now, get it in, let me say.
Get it in.
I don't want to hear it on the governor's interview, because then they won't want to hear it.
He should come in second.
All right.
Probably before, forever.
But let him know before the governor's thing that if you decide to engage with the man, that's it.
Well, we'll take a close look at it.
The man then thought he'd be in the office and make this big pitch, but I put it to the congressman saying that, you know, I can go talk to him.
I had an office next door.
It was my manager.
I also get off the hook by saying, well, there should be that same offer, though, to engage him on the election.
Why don't you say this?
Look, Charlie, this is a case that he signed with Kay Hill.
Say, look, Charlie, Kay Hill was the next chairman of the church.
And John Mitchell managed it.
It's quite, it isn't quite true, but it's true.
Well, I don't understand.
I'd like some advice on that.
He was the next chairman of the church.
What's that mean?
Well, I don't know.
Here's the thing.
Here's the thing.
I've got a woman from North Dakota.
Bill was going out to announce that he was running a circus nation.
He had began on his 75th birthday.
I don't know if you got his name.
He was opposed by a guy named Guy who was popular.
Oh, I know.
Lots of them.
So I called Brock.
I said, Bill, you've got a hell of a problem.
Here it is.
And he said, really?
I've got it.
So what do we do?
Well, Bill, of course...
Bill is, I must say, one of the youngest 74s I've ever seen in my life.
He's vigorous and strong and healthy and everything.
He should not run.
Nobody should run over near me, he said.
No one, believe me.
Not even God should run over someone.
But the point is that, you see, we're in a period, George, as I try to get across, we're in a period when people are going to younger people.
They've gone on to do it, and they've got to do it.
a job required by talent.
That's why, basically, I think, just to be candid with you, of course, I'm not going to answer it, but I'm both grading on rock and roll.
And, oh, I don't know about rock and roll, because there's no question about rock and roll grading.
That's why I should vote in silver, not say so in rock and roll.
Vote in others.
Now, that's why.
They're both attractive personalities.
They're quite a race.
They're one of the 66 and one of the 67.
All right.
So they want to turn a fence.
And then there is.
And you think people are re-elected now, except you don't know.
Not in America today.
We never have it for you.
Nobody has ever been elected or re-elected early in the 70s.
Nobody.
But so does Nelson.
Nelson, too.
Although both Nelson and Raven have a dynamic, vital bond, which is good when they come on.
But the link is dead television for an older person to kill.
Well, on this set, I forgot to set this because it may be hard to get one of those nuggets handed.
And you've got to keep it all open.
You've got to keep it all tagged, which is a possibility for Raven.
I think it's a good decision, and the party people like it, and I think it's fair.
I mean, it's better than- You can just say this with the president.
Like I said with the press conference, the president said it's the best way to bring money around the world.
12 others here in 1974, and that's what you saw.
You could also see the curves and curves that I did in the 70s and 70s before.
You've got those, and they were the best of all time.
And what you can expect, you know, not one race, but the other race.
But you see, we've got these people from, it's amazing how they're all starting right now.
It really is, and it's a great movie, I'll tell you.
And also, if you don't know where that goes,
Well, they're moving around, all of them, and we're going to try to find ourselves, you know, a little bit.
I hope that he could.
Sure, well, one of the initial plans was to concentrate on one thing that could do a separate form, but a majority say that's one thing that could make a difference.
Well, fundraising is a loser for a candidate.
But in 74, in terms of getting nominated, it's the best thing you can do.
Because in getting nominated, you're trying to get the wheelers on a dealer.
So you should go to Mississippi and speak to 500 bad cans.
Those guys might all be hellenists.
Your hellenists are on this sort of grave and rocky border.
You can do fundraising up to there to go.
And so I think that's how we're going to start bringing people to the fundraising board.
And, you know, I don't want to be playing it the other way.
You know, one of the things is that each of them must be making a statement that we should care on their side.
You know, we've got to try a little bit of a thing to stand up for the rest of the world.
You know, there's a thing in my house.
You ought to do this because there are a lot of dollars out here and this and that.
I don't know.
Of course, I'm not going to do that anymore.
I'm going to tell each other something.
I'm going to tell everyone what to do.
Well, I think they're going like, man, anyway, because I haven't seen too much of it.
I've written.
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to encourage them to do something else.
Some of them are going to be tough to do.
I like to look down the ranking on what we're interested in.
I'm going to run.
I will keep in mind and try to inquire what they'd be interested in.
Some of them are going to be commission or something like this.
But some of them are going to be tough.
Well, let me say this.
In terms of any senior incumbent congressman or senator in the company, we're walking it out.
to give them the extra money to give them federal funds.
Because we need federal funds for that service as well.
But in the other hand, I think they have to be clearly understanding that even though we're going to decide not to stay in, there is going to be a federal fund for it to be used.
For example, two of the worst miners in Michigan are Gordon Allen and Jack Miller.
Now, Gordon either should have been wrong or he should have worked at it.
Jack Miller should have just worked at it.
You see what I mean?
And both of them, they, what do they want to do?
Well, they might take Secretary of State or Treasury or IRS or something.
You see what I mean?
But now is the time to make the deal with those guys if they want to.
They want to go.
You've got to be very careful with that because they'll always get out.
They've been offered something.
They can't get down on how to serve the state of North Dakota.
I'm surprised they'll want to do it.
Well, I have a people who are going to try to help him out of this, so maybe I'll let you know.
Guys, guys, I don't think that's going to be so mean.
I don't think Mark Anderson is going to do it.
I don't think he's going to do it.
What do you do about the guy who likes Saxton?
I think you've got to say that.
Let me say, if you're going to buy into a primary, for example, with Saxton, particularly with the playoff, and a team gets into it, and then stay out of it, we are not going to support even an incumbent in a primary.
Of course, we will not oppose it, but we will not support it in the primary.
You know what I mean?
If it's a legitimate primary judge, if it's a not-hit, you know what I mean?
Yeah, not-hit.
Then, of course, you've got to support the income.
But let's take primary and yard.
If Gavis has a primary, we're not going to support judge.
And the primary, we're not going to hurt it.
The same with Saxon, we're not going to hurt it.
He's a noble, he ain't certain.
But the point is that I hate him.
My guess is Saxon will even end up running.
But I hate him not.
I'd say, though, if you're staying out of the primary, it's important that in the minor election, all of them, all of them.
But I'd avoid the primary.
I mean, it's a very, it's a real mind game if you get committed too early, particularly if one of our friends on your congressman's side, you know, and you've got to be in and out.
You've got to be very careful, you know, because you don't know how to handle that.
But I want you to know that, you know, I can't, I care very much about what they support, which we prefer people to support.
But as far as Saxby's concerned, he's
He's been with us most of the time.
So he pops off once in a while, and he doesn't step in on that now, though.
And then he came back on something.
Well, come again and all that.
He wants to get a cab.
That's like supporting your mother.
Yeah.
Well, on that note, let me say, if you do this as a man, the way George has to do this is to be, you've got to be totally pragmatic about it.
Don't give up.
I mean, it's a republic.
And he has the best hands to make work for us.
They asked me the other day, was the National Committee going to be here pulling a Goodell or something like that?
And I said, look, we're going to see Goodell pulling on us.
It's an American Goodell question again.
Because he's the only one, the only three, other than what I ever made of a supporter.
He's got one of those wonderful guys, I think he's right, John Harris, because he remembers the urge to sign.
It wouldn't get out.
I couldn't support it either, I guess.
That's what he said.
I think it's important in terms of our future relationships particularly.
I don't know whether somebody's going to run against him or not.
On the other hand, it's a bias that can't be reelected at this point.
But I think that's part of it.
Again, the votes that we need in the Senate, we trade the votes.
We must not give any of us, of the livers, an opportunity to say that we're going to be dogs.
We support all of what we can, at least for these dogs.
Right?
Does that sound right?
I think we've got the right setup.
We've still got a different partner that I wanted.
I want to get interested on the side and get a real special time on my lap.
I don't think I'd go well, but I don't know that I'd like to try.
And I probably don't want any of those, because I've been out there all summer, but I think we've got it sorted out, so we're not going to be driven over each other.
Sure, sure.
But on that one, I'd like to hear from the person who has some real cliffhanger concern.
I don't think it's good enough.
Right.
Man, bring up something about her women and stuff.
They were constantly on test bases with some of my favorite male politicians, including George.
About the equal rights and that sort of thing.
The fact that it did trouble them.
That's where I wanted to ask you about.
But I don't think you can.
I don't think you can.
Because if you can, I'll put it this way.
I think you can tell the president has been on record for it all the time.
He supported it when it went through the roof.
You know what I mean?
He supports it now, but he cannot get it in the individual state legislature because his judgment is true.
The governor's arrest would indicate that the presidential attempt would influence the state legislature.
At the same time, it would be harmful.
But then on the other hand, they should know, should the president's state support them?
Where will he hold them?
But we don't want to get him, for example, hired to tell the heirs on the state legislature.
We want to support them.
Equal rights is my right of way.
The party should be for a vote.
That's one where a majority of the country may not be for a vote.
But where you have a very particular minority.
I mean, the more active women are all out for a vote.
It's a case where if you're more equal rights majority, the party, you aren't going to lose.
You're against it, so work for it.
So I would just be, I think you can convince the party and you can say that and talk to me.
Yes, sir.
How about this?
I was thinking of taking some of our top women, like Joe Riddle, and the lady-like thing of Bias Pemberton that we've worked for, and like a James May, like a Catherine Bedell, and talk about you.
This is an issue that appeals to young people.
And she's a good boy, don't you know?
Now, and we also have a political problem here in that Coach Schlafly has found her forum again in opposing ERA.
And she's back in it.
She's got her forum.
She's putting newspaper ads.
She thinks they have limits.
But she's leading the opposition to ERA now.
And if we ever have to go through that outcast again, it's, as you know, a vicious element.
It's a reactionary element.
And it's exactly the image we don't need.
And she's working hand-in-hand with Birch's.
Interestingly enough, George Wallace is on record for peaceful right to remember, so we don't get into trouble there.
But my vote would be, okay, the president doesn't need to make an additional statement.
George Bush can come out strong for it.
We galvanize some of our feminist, low-key, moderate women to put ourselves on the side of the age to abide, not messing with state legislators, but going there to answer questions if anybody wants additional information.
Let me suggest this, Bob.
Why don't you have a man, have a man.
write a note to me indicating that she's being looked at as a position for rights, and she's interested.
But have an appropriate letter prepared and updated at the present time, I'll ask for it.
And the court's welcome to change it.
And you're welcome to use this endorsement.
You might say that some of the documents are great, but is your position the same as it was?
I guess your answer is exactly the same.
It has not changed, I'm for it.
I want to hear about the videos, this letter, in any way, in your speeches, in your speeches or in your meetings.
I brought up to Julie that she might want to consider a statement on it, and there are, yes, a few singles.
Good.
They're great, they're dynamic.
You can score it anyway.
Yes.
All the way.
Yes, and she said she would speak to you about it.
I'm going to tell her that you spoke to me, and that she should do it, and get a good positive letter from her.
Great.
How does your mother do it, maybe?
Okay.
We'll get a low-key campaign going to put us on the side.
You know, interestingly enough, the Democratic Party is doing this.
And I think we can steal a real war to them.
And even if we lose, we're not going to hurt you.
We don't have to.
We're open door.
Yeah.
Why don't you just try to do this?
I've marked that on your letter as well.
I mentioned it in your memorandum right now.
Yes, we'll appoint you to the Canadian Board of Directors.
Yes, ma'am.
That's amazing.
That'll work.
It's a major little thing, but I didn't get to see it up here.
That's why I like this.
Well, I
I came on my way along that time to see Joe Wake because I was on your lap and incidentally he said look I was supporting the president and I was a sponsor for him.
I said here's what's going to happen.
I don't even know what to do.
I'm going to call the flood grant.
I stuck my head in and he's not leaving me.
I think Wilbur failed and lost that one time.
And I said, you know, we'll cut that off on the politics, but you've got to tell me the experience.
And I said, I'd just come back and put me down.
And he kind of talked about it.
He said, well, Gary Gordon and I had a long visit about this.
And he said, I'd like to sit down with you and share experience.
And he said, well, I'm here.
I haven't seen Gary since 10 minutes ago on the phone.
And so Joe was just a little receptive.
So he went and covered it.
And then Sidney comes and went.
And he said, I don't know if I'm going to be able to handle the losses right now.
You know, we've got a cool countdown.
And he said, we're coming.
So I think... Well, you're going to be a different person.
No, I'm not going to be a different person.
He's really, really such an advisor.
I see that he's given me an action that's as far as I can turn to him as I can do in person.
So I'm very aware of that.
You know, it's just me all the time.
And he... What I'm doing is very quiet now.
He's got nothing on him.
Nothing to figure out.
I just wanted to be sure we're not...
I did get him prepared for me, I think, showing him these guys would go or where they'd be under another name.
Right, that's a cool job, too.
Well, I don't know what it means, the term immediate switch of office.
I asked a whacker then.
It means great symbolism.
It means great symbolism, and it would help with that thing.
In the election, in the future, I can't say that if he did, I don't know how you measure it, that this means that he can't take on the third defensive legislature somehow.
Because I go back to the fact that, you know, I don't know that you can have that kind of thing.
What I'm going to do with comments, and you both said very rightly, look, I just want to question.
I think that's, I think I, just, I would say that, just lay back a little bit, because there's a, there's a lot going on there.
Let me say that if a big switch should occur, you've got to be prepared to try and get some others to go.
If a call-in call-in or a phone call-in, or a hearing work or a phone call-in, then others should go ahead and take his name and talk to him.
where it's been Harry Bird, I've seen this from my father today.
And you know what I wanted to talk to him about?
And I said, well, y'all know, when we play 10, 5, or 9 times a week down the line, I'm not sure we're going to do that.
He said, no, I am.
I'm a little sick and tired.
I said, well, I mean, thank you.
We're going to sit and talk about it.
And he said, well, I'm going to sit right over there and get it.
And it was very open, and all these guys around there, you know, about it.
And he had to say, God has made it very clear to me that if God wants us to go to Christ,
We had this prison.
That's when we started getting the bullet problems.
I hope this money brings it down.
I got some of this stuff in.
And if the Godwin thing goes right, Harry Bird is icing it.
This is the next step here.
Let me ask you this.
This whole, you know, some of it.
No, at all.
He's not sure.
No, he didn't know.
He's not.
Harry thinks that Godwin is going to endorse Godwin.
I got that thing in front of him.
I got a call in from the city.
But
But what you've got to do with him, Colt, you've got to find a lot of control.
And I think you've got to call him in the game.
He really does not act very well.
And the last time out, Michael, when he had played his card right, he had burned out.
But he would go very long enough.
When he ran, he would go.
I mean, you've got to know what God wants from a man.
I don't think they'll endorse it, and if they're going to endorse it, God is going to win.
The mix of Republicans down there, a lot of them are poor guys, and there's some Democrats, and it's going to put the President in a very bad position.
You know, the orderly, you know, the orderly should go.
I mean, it's God who's gracious and all that sort of thing.
God was a decent man.
I know it.
He's got a nice wife.
And he ought to run, and he ought to win.
And I just, I can't do it.
Well, I don't want to talk about what the civil rights issue is going to be.
Yes, sir.
That's all right, and we like people to look good, but the point is, you cannot expect Virginians, Tennesseans, and the other part of that matter, Texans, to be as hypocritical as the dark people and civilized.
Well, I may be making too much of a problem out of an open chain of wanting to run with God, but it's the kind of government I'm going to see me try, and later on, yes, very naturally, naturally.
I don't feel that way.
I think people are coming back together.
That's the lie.
The lie of the party is that all the people are turned off about politics.
That's the typical liberal lie.
The racism and everything.
The reason is that they cannot bear the thought that the election is sick.
And so they've got to prove that the people are not sick rather than they are sick.
They're looking for the error of the number of women.
That's what it means.
Well, he put that top down.
Let me go back on the top.
Let me go back on the top.
Well, he said it here.
He said it here.
He said it here.
He said it here.
He said it here.
He said it here.
He said it here.
He said it here.
He said it here.
He said it here.
Well, I don't know, but that's the problem, see, and I asked Harry today, through Hanson City, that this senator will make options for him.
That's what I'm wondering in my mind.
He thinks, well, he can just put everything through up there, but for the great reason I don't know why.
Because I don't know why he has no job.
And they said that I've talked to the governor and the association about getting people back to practice on their own.
I don't know.
I can't see it at all.
So, I don't know why you should have those exceptions.
I would think that.
Yes, you're talking to them.
What I mean is, why don't you talk to them on terms of what you need to do?
Well, in terms of the current ambassador, public service judge, I would prefer not judge, because it's a little bit soft-line.
I think that would be fine.
I'm an ambassador, and frankly, we have not had a subcategory.
I mean, I have the possibility to move up into a category.
What apparatus do we have for recruiting these good candidates?
That's our problem.
That is our problem.
That's where it's going to be.
No, not a Senate basis.
Don't worry about the Bronco Bill.
I just make that very public.
But in the House, sure, it's a success.
But any kid don't have any reason to that area.
This is a major part of it.
I had great confidence in Reed.
Well, he'll help, but he needs, and I will say, he pushed back.
But Brown's turning around and going around and starting on it and getting information and doing things.
But I think what I'm trying to convince Brown, and I think I have, is that with Reed, they're full-time.
Every week he met, he'd park at 8, 7, whatever, and start to pitch his dollars.
And we're just all at noon.
And we need that, you know, the function of the incumbent in the House.
So you can go to that House committee at the end.
Brown is one.
You know, seeing this is a great tool for candidates in the criminal justice system.
We don't have this back, but I'm looking forward to that.
It's the best thing you can possibly do.
And have you figured out how you're going to circumvent your dead will on the Republican National Committee?
I figured it out.
Why can't you just put in a sheer raw power?
Why can't you just put in a separation or whatever your operation, whatever it is, do your evaluation?
How do the people get your age and decide who your guy is?
Let me ask you a question.
Let me ask you a question.
There's one person, not on the basis that I'm going to get publicly identified, that's right.
But in this particular question, the main candidate, the man who probably knows the most about us is Chuck.
Because he was the one who helped set up that nightlife committee.
And Jackson came along with all of us in 1946.
It's a very, very difficult deal, but it can be done.
You should sit down and don't bring anything with him and don't let him.
Bring him in the midst and run away with it.
He'll want to help.
And that's particularly right because it also knows how to do it.
So many people have got good minds, but don't know how to answer the question.
A doctor will sit down and tell you, well, the way to do it is this, this, this.
I would ask him to say no, to not give him a front position.
He must not be in a position where he can be shot, or he may not be.
The main point is, the main thing is to give him all the good advice
You know, I probably don't have really no points.
You know, that's a pretty good idea.
Let's reach over to California.
But Murray loves to have the other politicians.
You got it.
I promise to come in and sit in this seat.
That's better, George.
Let me do it.
I promise to sit in this seat.
in the process of the selection.
I don't know if you're the old master and the young guy here, but he seems to have anything to do with your cow plan.
I have a plan.
I have a plan.
I have a plan.
I have a plan.
I have a plan.
I have a plan.
I have a plan.
I have a plan.
I have a plan.
But the key thing here is not money.
The key thing here is talent.
And you've got to set up some sort of committee within each district where they basically hear all these people.
And that's, it's, it's a, it sounds strange, but we don't.
So, in fact, my candidates, there were eight potential candidates in the whole three assemblies.
And, uh, there was a couple of nuns.
And all of them had run before 65 years of age.
I was in the government during the high school office here in Fort Lauderdale.
They called the commission on me.
And they endorsed me as a candidate for office.
Which is now a committee of 7,000.
Everybody claims you've been on it.
But the main thing is that it worked.
And if it didn't, it would be real.
It didn't work.
Now, otherwise, you legally walk because you're part of a county committee or a state committee or a guest of the faith.
You're a candidate, so why can't you?
You see, the whole trouble with the Wilson operation, George, is that the booster set was direct, almost exclusive to money.
Money is not the problem.
You get the candidate, the next, you can pour money into a non-candidate, you can just emphasize it, candidate, candidate, candidate, candidate, unless you're complaining something, complaining something.
Who tells you to leave the money?
Well, that's the point.
It was made up, they had the, all the state committee, the county committee members, and then some outside Christmas people and the rest, and some of the self-starting people.
Women were all represented.
There were no blacks and very few genders, because there weren't any blacks and genders in the district.
So we didn't have any of that.
But it was in cross-section.
There was one section.
Was there another section?
No, it wasn't.
It was a terrific thing.
I don't know whether that will work in the year 1970 or not, but I don't know the value of it.
Brown's work and his story started moving around.
I mentioned that one at breakfast.
I didn't have a meeting with him, but he's been down to Texas.
He's meeting with Kansas.
We've had some different experiences out of Massachusetts.
So he's looking at it, I think, when he gets everything over, playing the thing, what will happen.
It's a professional kind of a thing.
I know that they can do it, it seems to me.
It's true.
It's true.
Maybe you could talk to a, let's say I have a brother operation where the congressman in the neighboring district sits down and says, well, you know, sometimes they know something about it.
Although, they're slow sellers.
Slow sellers are one of the other things that will work.
Many times you can go, George, and talk to them, but in virtually every district, depending on the district, that it's not just part of the city.
It's part of the city.
It's almost
district that has a several small towns or one or every one town of a hundred dollars or so in some districts though.
And though at the end of the day, there's always a big shot in this kind of sort of email order to our district.
So as the brightest, most of them come and go.
And maybe it's the president who's doing the chamber of commerce and maybe it's the mayor's attorney.
Maybe it's the mayor of
Forget that I said, you know, forget that I said, but you can say, you know, we know what it's all about.
And don't ever let it appear to be true.
But the point is, the point is, I was talking to the border police, and these are remarkable men.
These are remarkable men.
They're brave men.
And here they are in the back.
Some of them are going to service, and some of them are going to go out.
I suppose, how about you had a certain television, you had sort of a half-assed piece of television, and you ran, I mean, whatever you had, what would you like to do with it?
Huh?
I like the costume.
That's a great, that thing is really, really, I don't know.
Oh, give me that, I mean, that thing is just...
I heard that you were going to be in Thursday.
I was trying to make the point.
Right.
Right.
Right.
Right.
I don't know, I just, I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I rode in a parade in front of the Admiral O'Rourke in North Carolina, and look what that wonderful man had to take.
It was very stressing to me.
It was deafening.
And to me, now he comes on a plot with patriotic people, but gosh, it made me feel...
They might find a different reaction from those in the line next to him.
I think.
I don't know.
What's that?
I think today he got a little more forward to go.
I might find a different reaction from his peers standing along the line.
Oh, I think he'd be very good.
I think he'd be very good.
Uh, I'm not sure.
I'm not sure.
I'm not sure.
You can have one or the other be there.
You can have it.
Well, they, uh, know the thing about this little thing.
They're good ones, and the way they look, come off that airplane, don't know for a thing or anything.
What would you think would be a good thing?
They go out and race and stuff.
They're just, you know, they're just, you know, fishing.
They're never going to hunt bats.
And the place that the message got sent, that you were the guy hanging in there for the funding.
Border came over to me in a very confidential dispatch.
I say very confidential because none of this can be put out.
I don't have to hold it from the back.
The border came out after six seconds.
The border came out after six seconds.
They don't know the person behind the box.
They don't know what to do.
They don't know what to do.
They said that from that day on, they're captives.
They said that from that day on, they're captives.
And they said, that's why they were all mentioned in the language.
And they said it's a fact.
They had to compromise when they were getting these things.
They did not know where they were going.
These groups that were going in there, they commented on that.
Yes, they did.
No, I didn't know.
I didn't know all of that.
Whatever quarter-wise, I just didn't want to be on that side.
No.
Basically, what was happening here, the guys went to see their wives.
Now, this is a great American story.
I think they're all just going to stay on this for a while.
When they, uh, when they, uh, when they, uh, when they, uh, when they, uh,
This is the biggest moment in my life.
I understand why you feel so terrible.
But what I'm saying is that at the end of the conversation, I'm going to tell you what kind of person you are.
I'm going to tell you what kind of person you are.
I'm going to tell you what kind of person you are.
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We can't trust that next time.
On the other hand, we can't trust that next time.
American people have ordered something.
We can't trust that next time.
We never know what it is.
Well, she saw a picture of her husband's current anger, and she's sitting there in front of the center.
I'm looking at it, and, you know, I can't look at it.
I can't look at it.
I can't look at it.
I can't look at it.
I can't look at it.
I can't look at it.
I can't look at it.
I can't look at it.
I can't look at it.
Impressed, impressed, impressed.
But of course, after it's all done and we're all back there, God would be wanting to show up.
They're constantly like this.
You know what he said this morning?
He said, I have constant expectations.
I don't have that one.
Did you?
A little.
A little.
It's a good idea.
I just used to be an officer.
But these, but these, these women, I don't know, I don't know what else to say.
I have a judgment every year in the hearts of each of them.
Well, there was another family that were saying to them, well, look, I was, I was with my husband over there and we all lived in the house.
We all lived in the house.
I wonder if they have had a change of heart, the cop-out mothers now, whether they do feel a threat grateful to you now, or whether they... Yeah, you know how many there are.
They're such a small proportion.
Uh-huh.
See, if you go back and play the League of Madness, the League of Madness had 90% on our side.
The only reason you can hear about that, like the rest of them, at most, at most, only perhaps, there might have been 10.
I wonder today how they feel.
The main event for them, most of them.
Yeah, they're hugging the bag and saying, you know, what's the matter with you, kid?
But there weren't many.
That's where the media did such a dishonest, vicious job of reporting.
You get the impression that most of the people got to watch where they're coming from.
And as a matter of fact, most of the people of W.O.I.
were sticking in there.
That didn't bother them at all.
They were running.
How is the amnesty response coming?
Oh, my God.
They're talking about dividing the country.
That's right.
If you want to divide the country, come up with amnesty.
You're going to have a tremendous negative reaction.
You sit here in Washington.
The best proof of that is that there is a guy up on that hill with those 535 break meters who is about to raise the issue, or put his name on it, of a bill for amnesty.
You know, Pat was talking about it.
Well, yeah, it's a serious mistake.
I hope they do, because I'd like to be a congressman on the Constitution.
And you think that we're kind of congressmen, too?
I understand that this is a question about money, but you can't make me look.
This is more of a touting thing on the world.
that we are going to have to make a new discipline that we are working on and how do you think we're going to be able to handle another crisis that we're all dealing with, another gun that we can't handle?
No, I think you're saying... That has never been read.
You see, they give the Lincoln example, which is totally wrong.
Lincoln, he ran the state of the South, but he shot them in the north.
We can't say that.
That's never been read.
Well, he didn't rule it out in Charles Sandburg, but you also get that in the New York Times.
I mean, I didn't, somebody wrote a column at the end of the bar saying that what Lincoln did was he shot some, and some of them were friends of the other, friends of the other, but they didn't get involved.
That's right, they were friends, and all of a sudden, one of the guys, one of the guys shot him in the gut.
Lincoln just wrote on this, you shall serve in prison the number of days out of the country.
I think that's very important.
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
I think that's going to come through.
I think we're going to be much more credible, and I think we're going to have much more of a, you know, and I think that your critics and domestically, you know, someday understand that you can't have our thoughts built on it.
I think that is probably true, George, but I think you're going to have to realize that this is true.
You know that, right?
Keep going.
25% of it, 25% of their food, and all the other very much of the total piece of it.
Basically, they're isolations.
They're the new isolations.
They were, when we were fighting World War II, because it was not safe, they were all for intervention.
And they were in a marching line.
They were the green very strong.
But now, when it's fighting for communism, there's part of that.
with personality.
Like, if you take, for example, if you kill us, we did perhaps 300,000 Germans, or more, a half-billion German civilians.
Like, directly to Bob Griffin, around Harvard, around the Boston Press, where the Germans did damn little compared to that.
There was a bus behind the Griffin Press, probably killed maybe 25,000.
We killed a half-billion civilians in Greece.
Deliberately killed.
Anyway, I'm very sorry for that.
But what I'm getting at is a fundamental point.
In this country, the isolationist used to be the far right.
The far right now.
The far right, and then it adds up.
The far right probably has been gone a hell of a long time.
But now, the isolationist is on the left.
The reason is that deep down, you're not pro-communism.
That's why the socialists all over the world, the socialist prime ministers, it's not conservative.
It's a mouth.
So put yourself in the position of the isolationist.
The isolationist is about care, whether we're credible or not.
Whether we're credible.
Then the Jews were recently making a large report into this building for intervention.
Back there, no place else.
No place else.
So basically, they're isolationists now.
They'll say, the United States should withdraw from the world and put the money together.
Now that's it.
There's a big, big deal.
So if you're running into that, sir, you just don't sell it.
The only thing I'm thinking of is, you might sell the other countries.
Well, that's it.
If I can't sell them, what do you do?
Well, you have to remind the Marquardt team that he took his body and then back and told me, and of course he doesn't tell us.
I would be unsure.
I'm not sure they would have known.
But he told me, just sitting in his house, well, what else can the president do?
And I think a guy like this is going to know, and he's going to know this regardless until he gets the commitment.
And therefore, we're going to be more critical of what the next event is.
The Israelis, I'm sure you understand.
Well, the Israelis have made the interest rate up.
The Israelis.
Israelis, the Jews in Israel, the Jewish in the United States, were unanimous for what we did.
The Jews in the United States were almost unanimous against it.
You see my point?
But I was curious.
Look, let's face it.
Put yourself in the position of the Japanese.
Or put yourself in the position of anyone in Europe.
Without the United States, then you live in terror.
And they know that.
But that doesn't mean the United States here will be human.
missile inventory.
It means the United States with an inventory and with the will to use it if necessary.
And what this demonstrated, it demonstrated to our allies and they can trust us.
They can count on us.
We couldn't live down this distinction with a country that won't live down that distinction.
And second, it demonstrated to the Soviet and the Chinese they better not test us.
They better not test us.
There was a curious, very curious reaction.
Now here was the point, right there, here, and this is really, this is a great deal of sense.
Here you see the wicked, and the rational, and the times, and the criminals, and the reasoners,
And they bring peace to the rest.
And rendered a great service.
Because when they met the President as a madman, as a madmonger, Joe Crasper, these people were there.
They made their way.
That's right.
No, I didn't think of it either, but I read this report.
I thought, my God, what a favor these people.
If these people had said, well, we don't do it deliberately in the rest,
But the North finally decided, anybody that would send them over there around Christmas time, they'd be the best.
Well, they weren't ready to die.
Well, good luck.
The main thing is we'll back up.
Well, I'm not going to back up.
I didn't do it over.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
We're going to have to stay here.
It's all coming up, guys.
We're going to have to stay here.

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