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Start Date: 27-Mar-1973 11:00 AM

End Date: 27-Mar-1973 1:30 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Ehrlichman, John D.Ziegler, Ronald L.Inge, SallyKissinger, Henry A.Bull, Stephen B.Trudeau, Pierre E.Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")

Recording Device: Old Executive Office Building

423-003a.mp3

423-003b.mp3

423-003c.mp3

NARA Description:

On March 27, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, Ronald L. Ziegler, Sally Inge, Henry A. Kissinger, Stephen B. Bull, Pierre E. Trudeau, and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 11:00 am to 1:30 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 423-003 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 423-3

Date: March 27, 1973
Time: 11:00 am - 1:30 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with John D. Ehrlichman.

       Wounded Knee
           -Incident status
           -Plan for resolution
                 -Kenneth R. Cole Jr.'s working group
                        -Justice Department
                        -Interior Department
           -US Marshall
                 -Wounds
                        -Chances of survival
           -Deterioration of situation
                 -Indians, Blacks
                        -Massive show of force
           -Military action
                 -Use of army
                        -Fears
                 -Estimate of losses
                 -Public relations [PR] problems
                        -Government explanation
                 -Preparations
                        -US Marshall
                               -Wounding
                                    -Publicity
           -Sniping
                 -Dale K. (“Kent”) Frizzell
                        -Assistant Attorney General
                        -Interior Department
                 -US Marshall
                 -Viciousness
           -Meeting with Indians
                 - Frizzell
           -Handling of situation
                 -White House staff involvement
                        -Handling of PR
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           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                              Tape Subject Log
                               (rev. Aug.-2010)
                                                      Conversation No. 423-3 (cont’d)

                -Advantages
                -Long-run disadvantages
                -Display of action
                       -Ehrlichman’s role
                       -Leonard Garment
                       -Talks with Indians
                             -Ultimatum to Indians
                             -PR foundation
                             -Comparison with action on food prices
           -Need for action
                -Risk of deaths
                       -Indians, soldiers
                -Possible future armed occupations
                       -Blacks, Chicanos

Price controls
      -George P. Shultz's support
            -Talks with Labor Management Advisory Board
      -Merits
            -Labor demands
            -Shultz
      -Plan
            -Formulation
            -Guidelines
                   -90-day price freeze
                   -Food
      -President's statement
            -Press coverage
                   -Vietnam report
            -International monetary situation
            -Phase III

President’s accomplishments
      -Perception of failure
            -Budget
                  -Congress
            -Vietnam
                  -November 3, 1969 speech
                  -Laos
                  -India-Pakistan War
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           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                              Tape Subject Log
                               (rev. Aug.-2010)
                                                       Conversation No. 423-3 (cont’d)

                  -Newsweek, Time
     -Press relations
           -Nicholas P. Thimmesch
     -Watergate

Press relations
      -Vietnam
             -President’s conversation with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
             -Ronald L. Ziegler
                   -Press briefings
             -Prisoners of war [POWs]
                   -Release
                         -People’s Republic of China [PRC]
      -President’s actions
      -Television [TV] news commentary
             -Walter L. Cronkite, Jr.
                   -Laos
                   -Release of POWs
                   -Troop withdrawal

Domestic issues
    -President's vetoes
           -Sustaining in Congress
                 -Vote count
                       -House of Representatives
                 -Republican votes
                       -Democrats
                       -Cal B. Albert
                 -Senate action
                 -House of Representatives
                 -President’s speech
    - Shultz
    -Budget issues
           -Need for restraint
                 -Support for Congress by public
                 -Taxes
                 -Prices
    -Energy message from President
           -Arrangements
                 -California
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                         Tape Subject Log
                                          (rev. Aug.-2010)
                                                                Conversation No. 423-3 (cont’d)

                    -Fanfare
                          -Briefings
                                 -Congress
                                 -Press
                          -Trade message
                          -Tax message
                          -TV coverage
                          -Charles J. DiBona
                                 -Work quality
             -Tax issue
                    -Shultz's testimony
                    -Alternative minimum tax
             -Trade bill
                    -Jobs
                    -Congress
                    -Publicity
                          -Statements
             -Tax issue
                    -President’s announcement
                          -Congress
                          -Press coverage
                    -Shultz’s testimony
             -Trade bill
                    -Congress
                    -White House domination of news
             -Past tough battles

[A transcript of this conversation appears in RG 460, Box 175, p. 1-84.]

Ronald L. Ziegler entered at 11:30 am.

Sally Inge Buikema entered at an unknown time after 11:30 am.

       Sally Buikema’s marriage
             -Manolo Sanchez’s comment
                   -Fina Sanchez
             -Husband
                   -David Buikema
                         -Sharp Electronics
             -Residence
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                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. Aug.-2010)
                                                                Conversation No. 423-3 (cont’d)

              -Delay

Mrs. Buikema left at an unknown time before 11:35 am.

[Transcribed portion continues.]

Henry A. Kissinger entered at 11:35 am.

[Transcribed portion ends.]

         President’s meeting with Corinne Boggs
               -Photograph

Ziegler left at 11:40 am.

         Ziegler
               -Quality of work
               -Kissinger

[Transcribed portion continues.]

[Transcribed portion ends.]

         Pierre E. Trudeau
               -Call to President
                      -Canada’s withdrawal from International Commission on Control and Security
[ICCS]
                            -Announcement of postponement

[Transcribed portion continues.]

Stephen B. Bull left.

[Transcribed portion ends.]

Prime Minister Pierre E. Trudeau talked with the President between 12:05 pm and 12:10 pm.

[See Conversation No. 44-19]
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. Aug.-2010)
                                                                Conversation No. 423-3 (cont’d)

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
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[Duration: 4m 49 s]

       CANADA

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[This portion of the conversation was transcribed and entered as part of government exhibit 17 in
U.S. v. Mitchell, el al., pp. 00313-00317].

[End transcribed portion.]

       President’s speech
             -Draft
                   -Release
                          -Veto
             -Wage and price controls
                   -George P. Shultz
                          -Meeting with President
                          -Trade
             -Budget
                   -Amount of discussion
                          -Poor
             -Cost of living
             -President’s schedule
                   -Preparation

       Rogers C. B. Morton
            -Meeting with Ehrlichman

[Transcribed portion continues.]

[Transcribed portion ends.]
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                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                        Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. Aug.-2010)
                                                            Conversation No. 423-3 (cont’d)

Stephen B. Bull entered at 1:16 pm.

       Vocational Rehabilitation Bill
            -President's statement

Bull left at 1:17 pm.

       Budget issue
            -President's action
                  -Credit with public
                               -President’s speech
            -Bureaucrats
            -Congressional relations
                  -Conflict over priorities
                         -Defense spending

[Transcribed portion continues.]

[Transcribed portion ends.]

       Watergate
            -Medals
                 -Purple heart
            -Rogers
                 -Consultation with Henry A. Kissinger

Ehrlichman and Haldeman left at 1:30 pm.