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We brought the new weather back, which I'm pretty sure it is.

It's about three weeks from tonight here.

It's really great.

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And I've got to find out what the state is at the start of it.

I'm not sure.

Then I'll look back and pull out what we want.

And get rid of the rest of it.

Now, the state has now jumped.

That's right.

We want to get rid of the rest of it.

And then you're going to put that on.

The way it works, I forgot, is that they have, you know, the Secret Service locator signal that when you touch what office you're in.

And that also activates this thing so that it only works in this office when you're in it or in the other office when you're in it.

And it doesn't work at other times either.

But from now on it will only be when you turn it on.

The other thing that they have on there, which Liz had forgotten us, but we instructed it sometimes quite a ways back, is your telephone here in your Oval Office.

And I think if you're in the city, this same tape goes into the same thing.

I would take those off if you wanted them, or leave them on if you wanted them.

But I remember now, because of some history of conversations and stuff like that, you get every bad one.

It doesn't cover your mind.

You can't date them.

There's nothing on the site.

If you're there, I can say, because of the history of conversations, if you don't recognize them, they don't monitor them.

They don't know who you're talking to.

You know, there's nobody there.

This is all done automatically.

which is it's all built in this machine

If you put that on that, here's the connection, so it's just running in its building.

If it were connected to this phone, it would record the phone conversation on one of these cables.

You have that capability put on your phones, which a number of us have as a standard and perfectly local device.

So that if you were having a phone conversation, you wanted to record it.

You do not when you start in the middle.

I'm sure.

We now know what we do for the future on the phone conferences and the phone conferences.

I don't think I need to.

Well, I can't.

They're just mixed in with the rest of the tapes on the dates and the periods that I pull out and look through your office handbook.

In other words, it just works in the chronology.

Well, that's what I would want to do.

So the question is what?

Do you want to continue?

You'll take the phone thing out, is that right?

And then let all the others go.

I think in the future that I want to have a thing where I have to record my telephone conversation and take it off of your phone.

I can do that.

I want to make it work together, but I have this market, and I say, for this thing, you can take it all away and destroy it.

Oh, on the phone page.

record them all and then destroy them periodically.

Right.

Because I would just say, well, this tape I'd like to have recorded.

I think that would be worthwhile.

All right.

I'd like to have an important call on, but I can't make one.

You can put that thing on the phone anywhere and there's no problem.

If you set up your other thing at Camp David, then the military knows you have it as well as the Secret Service.

I just don't think this one can do it.

You hook that on the phone and you can't see it.

It's just a little wire that hooks on the phone.

It hooks on there and then I hook this on.

You just look at the telephone whenever you want to record.

It records and you turn it off and you know.

Oh, it does.

You have to put that up there, and otherwise I would do it the way that I suggested.

Okay.

Well, if you're really going to do this with the economic problems and the water use problems, it's all there.

All that stuff, all that stuff is there.

I can't find any other ones you got.

Ha, ha, ha.

Well, he's been away a long time.

I'd say they either had them or were dispiriting two hours, and so they must have been led to a vote in Congress.

It's a good thing we had that meeting.

We made up about making sure that they didn't come in and flop around like that as we do.

It would have been one horrible waste of your time.

Number two, it just might have come to some conclusions.

What you're wrong.

Well, you gave me a rent-free.

No, it's a rent-free travel.

And his office doesn't know how to tell me to get a hold of him, but he will call in.

He will call me.

But, uh, how does it stand with you, Thomas, this week?

I'm holding time open.

You don't say, well, I think this week.

I don't know.

I've asked for a paper to try to have a focus on some of this stuff.

When do I see Burns?

Well, I wouldn't see him right away, in my view.

This thing is just too loose.

Craig Hart will come in and throw it in from his side.

That's right.

And what you've got ahead of you here that brings them to a focus is this legislation.

That won't get here probably close to the end of the month.

I know.

But it is an action-forcing event.

It makes them focus in very concrete terms.

Right.

And all they did was done a lot with a sign, and a hash, and a flag of it, and a whole lot of staff types, one each.

And they just sort of ran around a little late service.

They're all the way in from total and safe area, which is not an unattractive alternative, actually, in terms of quality and so on.

Clearly, we're going back to absolutely rigid control.

And there's somebody at every point of the compass in between.

So there was no consensus.

There were a lot of different prognostications about what was going to happen in the crisis between now and then.

The guy on the food crisis page and all over the place has been a Russian.

The Russians are now very visibly buying trade space.

which indicates that I thought I had to make a major buy.

And, yeah, he doesn't know, and it's extraordinary.

Even with it, nobody in the government seems to know on Sunday.

Maybe Henry would find out for him.

But that will affect things a lot.

I mean, it's a little bit.

As he says, unlike the stock market, uncertainty drives up the agricultural market.

And people hedge.

Well, if not today, if not tomorrow, or the next day, tomorrow or the next day, I'm going to pay for it.

I'm ready.

Well, I think they're convinced there's no point in it after this session.

And Schultz has completely messed it up.

No, he isn't.

He certainly wasn't.

And Stein is phase three was a good idea.

Let's stick with it and defend it.

And Dunlop is sort of modified phase three with a package of minor things to do that were in spotlight.

Uh, I mean, they're all, they're all, like, uh, so there isn't any sense really in summarizing this for you, because I'm writing a couple interesting things, though.

They predict that the next consumer price index, which will be the 20th, will be at 1.0 in the month.

Should be some kind of an all-time high.

Yeah.

And they expect it to stay above that level for two or three months, and then start down.

Okay.

Two or three months at 1.0, yeah.

Or very fast.

Why do they think that all of this, all of their predictions are very clear and so wrong?

And they don't have reasons.

They have reasons.

We said, Glenn, remember that meeting we had?

I said, you lose it, but without it, you're going to find out.

They admit that they were very, very far off, but everybody's got reasons.

And they spent an awful lot of their time explaining why their reasons didn't pan out.

It has to do with the Russians.

by and has to do with world inflation.

World inflation has part of it.

Let's see what else.

The beginnings of the energy problem, which they didn't foresee, international agriculture, lumber.

Uh, the bulge, the bulge of Phase III delay factor, uh, corrections from Phase II, uh, tightening of capacity, which they hadn't anticipated, uh, less unused ceiling capacity than they had forecast.

You know, I mean, I bet you when all that sorts out, that's what Kipland here says this week.

He was notified.

I don't know if there's anything else that's right, which is that we're in the midst of

The biggest boom this year will be the biggest boom year in the history of the world.

And the Middle East and the other side realize that they're basing everything on a total lack of perception of a boom.

It's before their very eyes and they don't know it.

They've underestimated everything.

They've underestimated retail sales, they've underestimated

plans.

Everybody's doing his own little thing.

But what do you do?

You put the rigid controls on to curb the boom some, but you also, that may be good.

You may not only curb it, you may destroy it.

That's science.

I'm very much afraid of that.

Jokes spun out of hypotheticals.

It was very attractive to me, and I thought you could practice it in political terms.

And then he's going to go on and say, we're in a time of enormous prosperity.

More jobs, we have 2 million jobs, everybody's got money, we're buying our spending, we're driving up the food market, we're doing other things.

Things are really great, everybody's been leaving their time.

More campers were sold last year than ever in the history of South Carolina.

We're coming now into a time of labor negotiations.

I believe in free collective bargaining.

I think the less interference that the government has in the wage process, the better.

At the same time, we have an obligation to make sure that the consumer is treated fairly, that the citizen is treated fairly.

The best thing we can do for this country is to get government out of this process as much as possible.

and let this economy work its way free, as I know it will in this time of prosperity that everybody's going through.

According to me, I think phase three ought to be a good thing.

I'm right now afraid phase four, which is freedom,

and then kind of stand back and do some of the things with quotas and other things so that we have the right to leave the construction industry mediation group at being, leave the health mediation group at being.

But don't mention that.

Just go on.

Do the productivity commission and some of those things that are already in place and keep cranking.

But phase four is a free design.

And you say, by the way, if there was ever a time in this nation's existence when we could have a free economy, it's now.

It's a time of peace.

It's a time of prosperity.

It's a time of well-being.

And so now let's find out what's the growth and if it works.

I think it will.

I have confidence in it.

And that is the price will go up, or you guys can say they will.

It's a, uh, maybe, uh, three economy doesn't work.

And, uh, we gave it a, we gave it a real college try under optimal circles.

In other words, you've got to conquer its flexibility for it, and then lay off.

Either that or come out ahead of time and say, if they send it down here in this way, I think it's wrong, because it calls for more and more control to the time in the West.

Now, politically, that's very attractive.

From the same way that these guys are all, even the free trade folks and all of them, said, well, I wouldn't have been able to get it to that far.

And so they moved away from it, because it would be too late.

I asked them to direct their paper at this as an alternative, and they criticized it.

I just had lunch with a client of mine, and he is testifying tomorrow before a joint committee in the Senate of the Department of Operations and Senate Judiciary on the question of in-front of our normal relations, i.e., executive privilege.

He was put together with Dick Moore's help and Vixen, the new obsolete accounts of that, a very fine paper on executive privilege.

But he calls it whatever possible separation of powers rather than executive governance.

Basically, what he will testify is that this is entirely up to the president.

And if you don't like it, well, that's not all.

He has an advantage for us.

No, it's all right.

It's all right because he has drafted all kinds of exceptions for Adams and Dawson and people running back into history who were charged with wrongdoing.

So the wrongdoing exception is well established in the direct question.

He has an absolutely choice quote in there from Dean Ashford.

as to why a presidential assistant should not go before a senator or a committee on development.

It is delicious.

Ah, yeah.

Yeah.

And at the end, he says, wouldn't that be a hell of a way to run around with?

But he talks about the lights and about the badgering and about the unfair juxtapositions also.

So we'll hardline it.

Irvin's on the subcommittee.

We'll hardline it tomorrow with Mike's testimony.

And then he puts it back to the Democratic administration.

So he puts Democrats all the way through it.

And most of the cases are in a Democratic administration.

So that's what's going on tomorrow, and we are going to do that.

And my thought was, thanks, it was over.

I did not, I did not reveal that.

You had me discussing it.

I did say, John, earlier this time, who's been talking to the committee, who's going to try to work something out.

I said, we've got to do, I said, we're going to hold the line.

We're going to have to do council.

And I just flipped that off quickly.

I said, second, the prayer has existed.

I said, we can't go that far.

And I said, no, but it's in vain.

I said, we'll work something out.

We want to work something out.

We want to cooperate.

And the guy said, now look at what we did with Kissinger.

And I said, remember we had a hearing, and we had a meeting with Blair Hospital.

And he asked me, he said, you want us to focus on this?

And I said, yes, no problem.

We can do that anytime.

I said that I made the wrong-doing assumption.

I said, of course, there's a wrong-doing assumption.

So in other words, I position him in a way that he should be in her position.

Yes, he said, I agree.

I said, no.

The other thing, I said, the Senate has to do something.

I said, yeah, I know.

But I said, that didn't do much good.

I said, you know, I didn't like the things they said about Holland.

I said, we're sorry.

That's like stabbing somebody through the heart of a person who just died and saying, we're sorry.

I said, we're not going to have this anymore.

And I said, oh, chances are they'll pick it up there.

And I said, I can't let it go.

So I've laid it all, I've laid out that much again.

I'm trying to make sure it'll go right to the report curve.

Is that all right with you?

Sure, sure.

As long as I know, you know, what's been said.

Um, we have, uh, it is going to be hard-lined.

I hard-lined it in the open session so that we would do something far down front, right?

I was going to get at that.

I had planned that it would also be hard-lined at the beginning.

Yes.

So I wanted to hard-line it.

I said, hard-line it.

I hard-lined the program, because it was just out of question.

And then he said, Holden's challenging the feds to go up, and he can't.

He's challenging the feds to go up, and he can't.

We want to hold it.

The Department of Technology said every word's not going to happen.

I said, I'm going to prove it.

I said, Holden, why don't you go to the clearance office and put this down on the library charges?

He talked to Dean a minute ago.

He says that he did not talk to Mitchell, nor has he passed a word to the recruiter.

He's trying to arrange to be subpoenaed, so that you can say to them that it's been subpoenaed, rather than brought to all peril.

I think that's a good move.

The local telegraph has already carried the message from Indiana.

They should have thought of that.

That's what I said at the closing.

Yes, you can.

You know, some of it has been an old thing.

They've done that in the building.

All right.

I don't think that system did not go to that person.

I don't think he has.

Well, he has on our bedding, so his view has been that if he knows the United States of America, let's not say otherwise.

I think it would be a good idea if you would either drop him a note or call him and ask him to do this for you.

He really feels needed and wanted.

You realize he's got a scheme or something for that.

Yeah.

He's already going.

He's already anxious to do that.

If you ask him, I'm just sure that we've got a lot of our people who are in medicine.

Yeah.

What do you say?

Yep.

So we can prove it.

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And there's so many gaps and holes in that.

But I think the litigation decision in our strong ground with me or anybody else is just saying, thank you, sir.

You can say, he's been my counsel.

I'm going to tell him, thank you, sir.

But I'll say, I'm going to tell him, he's been my advisor.

He's been my counsel.

We'll see if we can get the best of the summary I got.

When I talk to Irma, for instance, I will not even mention the attorney's client personally.

I will mention the fact that he is the president's attorney.

That's right.

Well, that's all I have to ask.

What is the situation now?

I'm wondering about whether I have enough contact with Mitchell in terms of reassuring him.

I don't know what I want to do in that respect.

Who the hell is Mitchell talking to?

O'Rourke.

O'Rourke is talking to O'Rourke.

Yes, O'Rourke.

O'Rourke.

For example, should I have a talk sometimes with John or with Brian?

Should I have a talk with Moore?

I think that's fine.

I think you can talk to Lynn Durham.

Bear in mind, Lynn was John's partner.

And Lynn has very much of an arm's length.

I mean, he's, he's, uh, he said, uh, I said, uh, Mitchell may be involved in this.

without being any more than able to do that.

And Len said, I thought he was from two expensive pieces of evidence.

One, John had been very, very quiet.

And two, that he had the, what was that guy's name?

The White Wanker.

The White Wanker episode, which he said I put down as the eventual signal.

He thought Mitchell wasn't on that one.

He said, you know, John has done many, many favors for white people in the past.

And we're going to tell him.

I didn't ask him what they were.

Well, I'll get back to John.

I don't want John to feel that I've been down here deserting him.

I understand.

And I think I, you know, John probably figured that you're out to defend all of us and so forth.

Sure.

So I'll just say to Marla, if you're nice to John, if you're going to defend him, if you're trying to keep Dean Leach and keep Drew Leach and all the rest of them,

For example, how could we, who could prove anybody, John, if we get to carry the message to Mitchell that he won't make a statement, that he's involved in a crime, involved in anything more?

Could I have a statement, or should I have somebody else do it?

No, sir.

I, I said, if, if in fact Mitchell is going to take a fall on this, I should not.

I just think you have to keep that so that he's on trial, because the main chance here

is that you come out of this unscathed.

And regardless of how many other Indians fall in the attack,

So I think although your natural inclination got me connected to that, I think more generally your assurance to Mitchell is through Ford, not that you're trying to keep anybody from leaving, but that you have an undying friendship, and this and that, and I put it in very personal terms rather than in details of the case.

What are more things that we were talking about?

I had a problem with what he was talking about.

He and Dean were in the fellowship first game and talking about all this and what they know about us and about us.

We had to hold everything.

We just came out and there's a beast in the hole.

It's just so hard to remember everything.

Yeah, I don't need to pay the water.

The water doesn't tell me everything.

The water, it's kind of gradually soaked up by the process, but it's...

I'm not sure how to put it.

The water is mine.

It's all I can.

I'm ready.

Ready.

I know he favors the tactic of moving people up there as early as possible.

I told my men to do that.

I said, I want you to understand.

I said, this thing being dragged on, I do this on the wrong.

I said, they should get it over with in two or three weeks.

I said, it would affect these charges, and now they should get it over with in two or three weeks.

Well, I've got that money.

It's exactly the opposite of what they did.

Climax ought to take place in the first couple of days.

That was Baker's original theory.

Let's get our superstars on right at the beginning.

I suspect you will have more trouble with her on that than any other single question.

Does anyone want to say something for lasting power and sustain?

Well, plus her being such a non-political thing.

I suppose that you've got to deal with the case.

You've got to deal with it as quickly as you can.

You've got to try these people.

They've already tried them.

They have already seen people who have already been slandered and tried.

And, of course, my piece will make this point very strongly, that it is not the proper function of the Senate or the Senate to try anybody.

It is the proper function of the Senate to elicit information for the purpose of preparing general legislation.

That's right.

That we have a forum for trying people.

And that's going on.

And the Senate doesn't need to duplicate that process.

And so they told me in this case, no.

Oh, yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

There, it was right there.

Nobody else would have tried it.

Part of it was not working at the moment it started.

We got out of the case.

Yeah.

Well, I think this money is saying tomorrow we'll be paying that.

I think it will.

Yeah.

It's got something.

I'm pretty excited.

It's got to be.

The President stands firm on exception of truth.

Yeah.

It will be.

The Attorney General today told the United States Senate it had no power to compel members of the United States or White House staff or something.

That's a negative story for us.

Yeah, but it will be big.

I think it will be a big story.

What do you think?

What is it?

Make it good?

I didn't say it was good.

I said it was big.

We had a lot of notice.

I don't think it's all bad.

In the setting of my negotiations with Irving, it's bad from a public PR standpoint.

And we can top it.

Later on, you can conclude your negotiations in a day or two.

So that you came right on top of this with a settlement.

Make your settlement with local debtors.

Whatever it is.

630.

I think this first one will take more than an hour, but I don't expect to get very much done.

I think so.

He's asked her what kind of a proceeding he intends to develop around the ways he will operate.

Cry about as much as possible.

It is his only offer, so it's true.

It's not quite the same.

Before I had said it.

He's said to hold every witness to Christ.

Praise the abduction of Christ.

He's entered with most of his blood again.

There, well.

He said they told him about the light detector test.

Well, that said he thought that was a perfectly terrible idea.

And he discussed it at dinner.

And he thought he had something to turn it off.

He thought that they would have agreed that they would not publicize it.

And he says that he went to school with Shapiro.

And he's going to get him all his professional career.

So he can tap into the situation to some extent.

I wonder if God is just, I don't know, just blinding himself to this thing.

I wonder if he's sleeping in the great world, I suppose.

What do you think, John?

Yes.

It may not be a dream world so much as it is an intentionally created illusion.

In that, it's the only hope he's got.

Well, in life, so he figures, you know, I either blind myself to it or I face up to it.

And I don't want to face up to it.

It's all by myself.

But on purpose.

Lenny said that that's difficult, John.

It is.

You've seen that.

That's a requirement.

You know, we do what we ought to do.

You see when it turns, John sits there, totally stalled.

He doesn't hear you.

He doesn't understand what you've said.

And he doesn't remember an answer.

He doesn't want to.

John's very low profile, very quiet.

That's the sign of distress.

Very shocking.

Goodbye, sir.

What?

I know you do.

And I think there we've got to be glad that rather than saying where this money came out of, it came out of heaven.

I'm sure there's a third thing, a confidential man.

Somebody's got to step up to their end and say, yes, the people were hurt and so forth.

Not for the girls to shut up.

Not for the birds to get in the house and keep them alive.

I don't know how to tell you.

.

I'm particularly saying that I'm going to go back, go back and talk to Mitchell and see what we can do.

And I said that happened four or five different times.

Who would think about what?

About getting money or getting Mitchell off his ass or getting the thing to move.

He would come into me and say, that's all I'm going to do.

This man is asking for more money.

My cord's about to get off the reservation or something.

And I said, John, there's just nothing I can do for you.

If I called Mitchell, he wouldn't be any farther along if he didn't do sound.

And so somehow or other, he could be able to work that from me and Mitchell working together.

He was a lawyer for the children.

And I was not black, which he never did.

I don't know what he's going to say.

He's kind of a jackal.

Well, you're a lawyer.

I don't suppose he'd say too much.

I don't know.

I honestly don't know.

The only thing he knows has to do with these accounts.

You wouldn't know that.

Well, you know, I don't even know where that money came from, myself.

I don't know.

What do you know?

They said his clients got their money and laid into them from that front door.

And now I heard that he was lying in his computer.

That's what I heard.

Oh, Len, I want to go.

I'll just talk to Len.

Okay.

That's fine.

Now, on this economic thing, let me be certain that you'll be ready to head well.

I expect they'll have a paper in late tomorrow.

You want me to hold Arthur Burns off?

I do.

I just don't think you're going to be asked to take positions that you're not ready to take.

Well, who can tell Arthur that?

George.

You want to tell George?

Sir, tell him.

Sir, that's not a good idea.

And you'll talk to Pierre.

I will.

I will, because he'll be interested.

There was a...

feeling one of this group, but they knew where Pierre was.

Where did they think he was?

Very hard for, for a return to all control, full control.

Yeah.

Right back to, at least one early phase suit.

But I'll, I'll be back.

But what?

Why don't you talk to Pierre?

Ask him what the hell he thinks that does to the economy.

I will.

And what happens when they answer?

What happens in the hole?

Yeah.

I will.

Okay.

Right.

I want to tell you that the idea is mine, and John talked about it, and the purpose is not to get you involved.

I would like to have somebody on there who has got to do with this thing.

where as if the ground rules of the trust are due to the issue of their armed forces, but to do it in such a way that we are ready not to say, I object to the presence of the government label.

I'm sorry to interrupt, but we're not going to lose sight of that.

We're going to lose sight of it.

The only thing about that is

before I ever heard you forget a song.

You want to think about it as a ..

There's probably a dry hole.

You see, there wasn't anything to report.

And I question prison.

But I am confident.

I am confident in things that I just said.

Every way, every which way, knowledge, participation, et cetera, et cetera.

But you've got to know that before you can do it.

I know you tried to talk about it and said put it out.

Put it out.

We've done.

And it's very similar.

When I was driving here to West Winding, I just had a gut feeling that I was going through a little bit of COVID.

I was seeing a gentleman who was about to...

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The point that he made that I specifically would adopt is that, uh, you know what that means.

That we must be dispossessing and dispossessing.

I don't know.

We have a lot of crazy new responses that we can't do.

And it's a complicated process.

And it just happens.

And these things get out of control.

And it's just dangerous for the television.

I feel low, but I feel very strongly that, and I don't know where to look at what's going on, you know, I'm thinking about it a little bit more, but I do feel that we don't report, I haven't seen any of that.

Well, I mean, it's a great statement, but the problem is that the president is too good.

Yeah.

Okay, let's see if we got all the issues so that it's decided.

I won't be using that for the purpose.

I'll be delayed a little bit.

I think I just wanted to say, the general strategy here is not to prove that particular people are in or out or that

Yeah, we're trying to offer you as great a length as possible.

That should be worked out.

That should be worked out for you.

And then I think that whoever is sitting in that chair for the White House, that's for you.

Absolutely.

What I meant was that there will be occasions when they may want to get into something, but you will know that this is wrong.

Where a wife or somebody is going way out of line,

Then the committee must be attacked.

Right.

I would hope that, you know, we came up with this to be very general and very, they must strike the first blow in the interest of the Trumps.

They must strike the first blow.

Absolutely.

Our whole lives.

We want to try to cooperate and so forth and so on.

I think the committee is not very bad.

How are you to destroy all of this?

You know, that sort of thing.

And they just kind of, you know, I'm not going to let them do it.

I'm going to stop.

That's the way it is.

So, I have two weeks left.

I think I know what I'm going to have to do.

I'm going to go back to what we did with the cases, with the explanations, and also some, I think there will be some sacrifices that will go along with that.

So, that's what we're going to do.

I think we have to realize.

I don't ever want to be in a position that John

I do not know, frankly.

My guess is this.

My guess is what I am.

I mean, I try to get at it through Dean, through Gordon, all the rest of the crew.

And, uh, you know, I mean, he was wrong with his conversation.

I mean, what the Lord may have had to hurt.

I know that, uh, I know, I know there was no proof of direction going on.

Not the coast, not the mall, nobody.

That I know.

We were also not damn surprised when he came on.

I was floored at the time.

I thought, what in Christ is this man?

And that's why he said we were made that state and that's why we were in the third grade burglary.

That's what he thought.

It was only the next day that Dean checked me out.

The arm was requested and we said, well, it was out of the county.

We knew it was out of the county, the committee and all.

Now, uh, what did Mitchell do?

I didn't put him in my favorable line, possibly in this room.

A security operation.

He did not acknowledge it or approve the watergate operation.

That's what I guess the main thing is.

Where his vulnerability is, is whether or not he has the whole board and the state and federal authority to do what he needs to do.

So I guess we ought to be very clear.

You and I, at this point, you've got to believe, John, unless we're not in any state.

We've got to stay out of that.

He died at a second meeting, because he did not end up at the Grand Theater.

And the thing that made me important was not only what I needed to know, but putting it in his words.

On the other hand, John is a terrible man.

John Mitchell, I would think that he would have been terrible in our own state, but we don't think he would have been terrible in our own state.

The point is, you're not looking for the favorite fish here.

The fish they're eating.

They're not after anyone.

But the one who's out there closest to the water.

That would depend on what the breeder says.

If they can.

Well, my breeder knows.

But I suppose the point I'm making in part is that we need to adjust the proof in any particular case at all.

Absolutely.

How do we do that?

We must not get involved with the view that our objective is to win a lawsuit that involves protection of confidentiality.

No, no, no.

I agree with the president.

And incidentally, incidentally, incidentally, to their great credit, Colston feels that way.

All of them feel that way.

I know they've made it.

Do they play any of us?

That's the drama that I have on the actual side of what do you mean?

What do we do about it?

I'm going to leave it there.

There isn't anything anybody that we know or said possibly mean.

But I think what we say generally here is that has to be brought to a certain point in the public development of the case.

There's certain inevitable steps that have to take place.

I mean, if I can go on if that's the case.

Well, you may not have to do that, because you may not have to do that, but we're going to ask for your name.

Yeah.