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Conversation 436-004

TapeTape 436StartMonday, May 14, 1973 at 1:15 PMEndMonday, May 14, 1973 at 1:24 PMParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Bull, Stephen B.Recording deviceOld Executive Office Building
AudioNARA Description

On May 14, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 1:15 pm to 1:24 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 436-004 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 436-4

Date: May 14, 1973
Time: 1:15 pm - 1:24 pm
Location: Executive Office Building
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                                                            Conversation No. 436-4 (cont’d)

The President met with Stephen B. Bull.

      Manolo Sanchez

      Ronald L. Ziegler’s location

      President’s schedule
            -Stanford E. Parris
            -Robert J. Dole and George H. W. Bush
                  -Talking paper
                  -US – Soviet trade agreement
                        -Moscow
            -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman and John D. Ehrlichman
            -Lewis Strauss
            -Mrs. Cleo Noel and Mrs. G. Curtis Moore
            -Ralph J. Perk
            -Peter G. Peterson
                  -Report on trip
                  -Henry A. Kissinger and Peter M. Flanigan
                        -President’s priorities
            -Safety Commission [?]
            -Philip V. Sanchez and Dr. Henry M. Ramirez, and Anne L. Armstrong
                  -Photograph
            -Dr. Edmund Casey
                  -Trip to People’s Republic of China [PRC]
            -Edward Brooke
            -Strauss
            -Peterson
                  -Flanigan
                  -Kissinger and George P. Shultz
                  -President’s time commitments
                        -Need for vetting
                  -John B. Connally
            -Ziegler

Bull left at 1:24 pm.
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Transcript (AI-Generated)

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None of them.
Where is Sigler?
You're asking Sigler, sir?
Yeah.
Do you want to ask me something?
Yes.
What is it?
What is it?
Come on, come on.
Well, I guess go over right now and get her done.
I'm probably not going to go anyway.
Whatever.
I've already decided at the end of the week, so whatever.
All right?
He's going to be in Paris tomorrow, I don't care about him.
Senator Robert Dole, it's a pleasure to introduce you, sir.
He is with George Bush.
I just want to see you, though.
You must give me the fake talking paper on the right, officer.
You're going to ask me to do a representation in the last country, if you understand what I mean.
That's what I need to do.
Do you want me to support you, sir?
I'm very thankful to you.
I'm very thankful to you.
No, no, no.
I'm just kidding.
Sorry.
Thank you, Senator.
No, no, no, no.
All right.
Okay.
Make sure it's going to be clean, though.
Okay.
All right.
I don't mind.
Thank you.
He appears to be back from his trip to New York, and I've seen him in about two weeks.
I mean, well, first he's to report to Henry, he's to report to Flanagan, he's to report to everybody else, but not this week.
I don't want to back her up.
It's nice to see her at the end of the week, but you know what I mean?
I'm not ready to see her yet, but I'm going to be prepared for it.
Do you have to report to anybody else yet?
That's my answer.
And that's the point.
See, I'm not going to waste my time on this jackass, because we're going to send him on this trip.
No.
Two-minute photograph on Friday with Mrs. Orrin, Anne Armstrong, and Bill Sanchez.
And we're basically just maxing out.
All right.
Dr. Edmunds, Edmund Casey is a black doctor, the first doctor to go to the people from China, one of the first group as a result of... No, no.
I don't understand that.
What's he want to do?
I mean, we've talked about what he's thought about China.
Does that refocus attention on your efforts in China?
Very long.
Ten minutes.
Senator Everett Brooks.
Fine.
Good.
Good?
Good.
We'll do that tomorrow.
We might do that the end of the week because he has to get to death.
I'm honest about it.
The earlier the better.
Let him.
If I could just let him know today.
Oh, yes, sir.
You understand?
So that he doesn't have to know.
I'll ask you a couple of weeks about Strauss.
If there's any reason.
No, Strauss I want to skip.
I don't need to see him anymore.
Let him go.
Because that was only at a time when he had just gone wrong.
I'll see you out there.
As soon as Planet and everybody else have rung him out, then I think it's necessary, obviously.
See what I mean?
Because you know, Steve, he takes a hell of a lot of time.
He exploits his independence.
And I think the hell with him.
I'm giving him his trip.
That's what I'm saying.
I'm looking.
Who sent in the recommendation?
Planet?
Or Mr.?
Well, screw them.
Let them see it.
Have they seen him?
It doesn't appear that they have.
Well, they haven't.
And Flanagan.
Flanagan should see it.
Right.
I am busy this week.
Screw him.
I won't see him this week at all.
I might see him next week.
Do you know what I mean?
But I want everybody else to ring him up before he ever gets in to report to me.
Also, he should report to Connolly, too.
Connolly's the word.
He needs to report to Kleinigan, to Connolly, to Schultz, Peter Dissinger, Schultz, Dissinger, and by God, they ought to take care of him as much as they can, and I'll see.
Fair enough.
We'll put him down in 15 minutes.
Oh, it'll be a half hour.
No, it'll be 30 minutes.
Get our guys to line him up.
Good job.
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