Nixon & Buzhardt on Watergate and White Paper

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Yeah, I'm fine.

I'm sorry.

You can come in.

How are you doing?

Working pretty hard.

Let me show you about if you come to page 19.

Let's go up here.

And I'll show you how we've got this.

It looks like the weather is a bit like it.

the problem that we've got there is this basically i cannot say for certain that i was told the fact of the matter is that i was told in that period it was in that april period which you see here so let me

Let me give you the feeling so that you'll know exactly where it is on the back side.

And then, Ronald, I don't know how you can write it in a way that will say the same thing, but not say the same thing.

Basically, what happened here was that the Justice Department was, if I put it this way, deemed, deemed, I don't know if you can understand, that this is where he's trying to blackmail us.

Right, the production department has the role of the film.

You know, there's the filming camera.

They have the film and the sound.

So yeah, right.

Well, anyways, these aren't quite good, but these are actually, or whatever it is, it's not a fight.

What's that?

Nothing's in it, not a fight.

It's just anything that's in the game.

Well, I say maybe that's good, but I don't know.

Nathan's claim, as I understand it, I just wanted to run it out for sure that we don't get him sucked in or I'll get him sucked in.

Now, first of all, we don't know what we're going to do about the very deal.

I had to do it earlier, but I never told you.

And that's the best part.

So I have nothing about the deal.

The question is whether or not he, when Nathan spoke to me on March 21st, may have mentioned that to me.

He may have.

I don't think he did.

But you know what I mean?

Yes.

He may have said, well, uh, Hans, uh, that, that break-in, you know, that occurred out there and so forth, which was, would have been a brand new relief, but there was something about it that came off.

Because when I spoke to, when I spoke to, uh, uh, on April 18th, it says, I was told that in 1971, while working on the Alcott 100 men's ballroom and so forth,

Why didn't you tell me?

Henry.

Yes.

Henry says he told you.

Yeah.

Henry told me.

See, I don't have to tell you.

Henry says I told the President.

The President said Silverton brought me a... a memorandum of favor on Buck's testimony.

That's what he told me.

That was on the 18th.

Yeah.

Henry, that's the truth.

Yes, sir.

I said for something.

Henry said he told you.

Now, that's what this information is based on, Mr. President.

Is Henry's conversation with Lincoln.

And he said he'd only talked to about three persons in his life about this information.

I don't know.

I'm not, with me, it's a matter of course.

I don't know.

This was at the Hoover.

It might be on the spot, but otherwise we could say on April 18th.

Um, since the 30-kilometer was totally... No, I'd rather not have it.

This is the way I have it.

You can see what I have there on the paper.

The way I would like to break into this whole thing.

Go ahead.

If I heard a preservation point, I would consider it.

There is no such relationship with the matter under investigation.

I have a responsibility to see.

Report me.

Report me to the investigation department.

I'm ready to report to National Security.

Now, subsequently, then the next day, on blank, subsequently on, he does paper, on fifth, paper, acts on it,

Well, there, and that would be strife.

You see, what I'm going to add is that I do not want to give the impression, I don't want to leave the impression, I don't want to get close to this, but the fact that he told me for the first time about that damn thing because I might have heard about it before.

I don't think I have.

And I just, you know what I mean, and a bunch of Americans and tricks with me, and I wouldn't have known more than a week.

But at that point, I was investigating the thing, and I didn't know the explicit reason for the goddamn thing, and I didn't ask her, see?

So here's what, subsequently, on next day, the Attorney General informed me, since the government had clear evidence, that Hunt was involved in the breaking of the Second Act of the Constitution.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, see?

That's what he did.

Actually, you don't need a voice.

You don't need a voice for everything.

Now, what Peterson may not have been able to do was something else.

You see, it was not, our conversation was not simply about the briefing.

It was about the testimony of Hunt.

And I said, I told him that Hunt had been in that meeting, was one who would have responsibilities in the elsewhere investigation.

And he said, and I told you this before, he said, how did the president did it?

any of that information would get over to the prosecution.

And I said, no, it did not.

As I understand, the investigation was a dry hole.

It was not.

He says, that's good.

Now, you see, what that does is to get him off the boat that we're not moving it.

You see my wife?

But that is the balance of it.

But I don't think we need to put that in here.

But how about just putting this much in here?

That's good.

Sure.

That's good.

You see, always, we don't think that this is going to lead to death anyway, and the main point here is the bottom line.

Actually, on the dress, for example, we did have a little dice, because the government did have an equity part in there, though.

Now when Ron gets the question, when did I learn about this break-in?

I learned about it when I had my investigation in Hamburg.

Then he says, and I'm absolutely clear, I cannot get the president's position in Pentagon.

So I'm fixated.

Well, I mean, I told her earlier.

We said, oh, God, I don't think we could have done it.

Then I discussed all of it.

The whole thing.

That was what we were doing.

We weren't just entering into the break-in.

And I said, and I directed these, and I said, Henry, I said, that's a national security matter.

You should stay out of it.

I said, you should stay out of it.

You should stay out of national security.

Now, that has been my line of duty.

Well, that's exactly what he said.

That's exactly what he said.

Yeah.

He told me more than he was in business to stay out of national security.

What's that?

He told me more than he was in business to stay out of national security.

That's right.

Well, the other point was, we were not covering up anything as far as health care was concerned because he specifically asked me whether or not I had the information that there was a health issue.

He didn't ask you.

And then I said no.

He didn't send health advice to me.

All right.

Well, then that's something that will come out later when I get the question.

All right.

You see, the whole thing is a tragedy.

The case should never come.

Because without that, then we could get a drive, and we could have a break.

And I understand that, and yet, we have to talk.

If that's not a place in the case, then I don't think we can get the prosecution.

And that's the point.

And to that end, the United States of America took that decision.

But we already did that, totally.

That's right.

I discussed it with him all tonight.

Incidentally, would it be that, would you mind, would you mind re-grab a bracket that also would say that, that he could be dead?

On that occasion, why don't we say that on that occasion, uh, that he actually had been framed by George?

None of the information had been given to the prosecution.

That the, that the, that the, that the, that the investigation had produced no evidence.

And that no evidence had been thereby given, had not been given to the prosecution.

I didn't actually go in there.

Nevertheless, however, that Attorney General and so forth, there was not, there was clear evidence of an illegal break-in, even though the weapon was having to be given for prosecution.

So, we run our own business on the court, either way.

That's the statement of the fact.

How's that?

How do you do that?

Write this paragraph down.

Huh?

Yeah.

The point is that I don't know.

The point is that I think that he told me for the first time.

But I can't be sure because of the point.

What did he say?

What about the picture?

The picture doesn't give out anything.

He chose himself.

The outside of the building.

There was no evidence of justice that was on the cross that would prosecute the cops, which included the ignorance that they had provided by the cops.

And the others, none of us could have given any indication to the police.

They were not able to understand that.

They were just paying for it with their lives.

They didn't find out that they didn't relate to the photograph.

They said on the testimony that it was a copy of Hunter's testimony.

It was just prior to that when he told the prosecution staff.

This, I believe, was on the 14th of April.

He told the whole prosecution staff about this.

And as soon as the prosecution staff had it, they came in too.

When did I what?

That was later.

No, I talked to him about that and said that's a national security matter.

That was all there was to it.

And none of the other incidents were after the other one.

That's what we, that's the position we've got to take.

Okay, try that way.

I think, I think the precise wording here, um, stay out of distance, it involves that.

Security is a little better, but they tell me to stay out.

The breaking and entering, I'll say.

Oh, absolutely.

The breaking and entering.

I didn't give a shit about that.

That's why one of the more general terms that I informed him on such and such a day that, I mean, the idea that, the idea that I was trying to keep the goddamn breaking and entering an idea.

Let's see if we can work on one of them.

Or else.

Yeah, fine.

Nixon & Buzhardt on Watergate and White Paper

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