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Do I know what it was?

Oh, command.

Yes, sir.

See?

I got it right.

All right.

Yeah.

I think it's positive.

I'm probably not.

I might be wrong.

All right.

So they said, you know, six-hour contacts, sir.

All right.

We'll have one now.

Sorry about that.

We're going to cut off.

No, no, no, no.

He's got it.

He's got it right here.

Whew.

I don't want to kill it.

Well, there's only a few things.

In retrospect, I didn't see what the hell was going on.

At the time, we didn't see it.

First,

or whatever it's worth, a bizarre thing could have been filed through the goddamn man.

That's what I thought.

You could get a market in that.

If you see him working, I didn't think he was a disciplined type to do that.

I've just seen him work, I've seen him cover it.

I don't know how he handled the guidance and so forth.

That's what I thought.

Now, regarding our maintenance that we have here, just to give you a quick rundown,

He often told us about this 17th, 15th, 17th, there was no discussion, whatever, of basically the substance of what I said about the Martian.

Yes.

Then there started the discussion of substance.

Then, it was conversional, but I started my interpretation of that when he came in with the Andrew Martian presidency.

Got it?

So, we understood a couple of that.

Now, unfortunately, I do not have a cell phone logger who calls.

I made, I called him a couple and a half years ago.

And I called him a couple of times a few days in addition to that.

We don't have any.

But I recall pretty clearly what you said.

No, you remember that one guy call from a couple of other times.

Yes.

23rd, so he may have something there.

I don't think he'd be correct at all.

But if that was, if that was in the rest of your very good guess, that would be 23rd, Ron Oliver Merriam.

But if I say that's 8th, it's 10th, it's incorrect.

What kind is incorrect?

And I'm sure with that.

If you let it take great law, sir, yes, I'm going to take it right now.

Now, technically, though, the next one,

Do you want the next one set up?

Where are you now?

Well, like I said, I don't mean the 21st.

It's how long it's going to take.

But I want it to give me... Let's try this.

It'll be...

It's unfortunate that the sailor is evil, but he doesn't say no to that.

Those two, right?

Wow.

Like everything else, it's not a perfect case, but it's pretty good.

There's total nonsense in 41 meetings we talked about covering.

In fact, we were talking about... ...

On the 27th, the first time I met him, he told me to make notes.

But I wrote the 28th because I did that on Thursday.

It was about executive privilege.

And we went along on this idea of sending stands out of the stock market, you know.

And who is better, how to deal with Baker, Deacon, would be able to talk to him.

I didn't know very well, socially, before that.

Colson probably didn't pull up bringing a lawsuit.

He had a vulnerability within the suit before.

Not vulnerability, not what I'm getting at.

Vulnerability is not a worry.

It's an easy thing to work with.

The whole suit should be dropped.

I mean, it would be fine if they would.

That's all what I mean.

Right.

I don't know how many gunners probably.

The President is not going to have any information.

The earnings are going to be, if they're going to get parts in it, he'd rather it be in parts.

Earnings in public can be a little lower than they can be in.

Johnson Believer, Bobby Buckingham, eight boys doing a support song, with James Buckingham, Bill Jenkins on it, by Johnson Believer.

If you love that, Johnson, you've got yourself a great job.

The 68th Buckingham.

Tom Kennedy.

And there's Cooters, O.D., and so forth and so on.

Okay.

Time Magazine article at that time.

I don't know why the hell we have a wrong discussion about judges, and this shows you why we can't have presidential trial.

It has no political effect on this case, but it would be very embarrassing if it were out, and we couldn't deny it.

Well, first, we talked about the fact that it's a 35-year sentence, no weapons, no...

Blacks would have left the store with a gun.

They got off with a suspended sentence.

In fact, that guy can't get out on bail.

Nobody can bash him.

I can't even compare how much...

the Supreme Court.

He said, Marshall isn't there.

I said, well, there's a couple blacks and browns.

And I said, Jules.

I said, why not?

Why not two birds with one stone, a black woman?

We talked about that.

And I characterized the court.

I said, Brennan's a boo.

Marshall's a boo.

I said, Stewart was a very nice fellow.

I said,

White was above average.

I said, Black was above average.

Grant Bush was way below average.

Powell was way below average.

And of course, Hugh Johnston was way below average.

That was the first one I ever mentioned.

That's the kind of thing I heard.

And I said, you know, it was bad that the Senate couldn't vote against Jules.

That kind of talk that goes on and on.

Of course it does.

Good God.

If that kind of thing comes out, it's all right with me, but that just, well, we'll just say it's a lie, you know?

Yeah.

I mean, what could he put out in the background?

Oh, Senator Baxter, Senator Brennan, who?

That, Mr. President, that doesn't work.

I know.

I mean, there's Trump, right?

And I talked about Jews on the court.

I said, we're not going to, there's no Jewish seat.

I said, I've got them all around me.

I said, I've got Kissinger, and I've got Stein, and I heard this in my minutes.

And I said, I said, it's time to get a few athletes on the court.

We've got to take some people, bring them up.

I said, there's Democrats, and I said, we are a republic, and we're small.

This is easy.

We've got to spread the base.

I called and saw the white man, the owner of the white man, and questioned whether he was Jewish.

I said, you know, and I went about Jewish fencing when I went upstairs to see if he was Jewish.

So, Dean says, there'll never be a league coming, and I just want 100.

And I said, I feel for those guys in particular.

He says, they're hanging in tuck.

Now, that rings a bell.

And I said, are they living in permanency?

He said, yes.

I said, we couldn't do it.

He said, well, it may get so absurd, political and so forth, that we should watch it close.

The point is that the discussion is only not in terms of anything serious.

Of course not.

I said, are they looking for clemency?

I asked the question.

He said, yes.

I said, we couldn't do it.

And he said hanging in tough, but he said that's the framework of what you're now looking for.

Not the framework of what you're now looking for.

I don't know.

I didn't want to hang in tough by not saying anybody else was involved.

I wasn't telling them to have men.

Sure.

Not at this point.

Uh, we talked about the disruption in my campaign.

What did Cigretti do?

You've got to keep Cigretti in perspective.

They've got to go after ComBot because of my campaign.

Dean says there will be a lot of elections.

ComBot is tough.

It can all be explained.

Money to a bank in Mexico, I asked him about that.

He said, that can all be explained.

I said, the hearing's behind the court.

I said, it's a battle.

And Dean said, this should have come about.

It's been a long road.

I thought it was a long road.

And it's a long road ahead of us, as it can be.

In perspective, what the hell are you talking about, sir?

I said, I took a hand and I said, Dr. John, pardon me, has the president just told the truth.

He said, I don't know.

He said, you know, when I heard about it, I thought they were crazy.

I thought they were nuts.

Dean says, I don't know if I did, but he couldn't be after Dean.

This is her testimony.

That's right.

This is just before the great, this was the great test of Satan.

Satan and as well as post-mortem.

The urban areas and...

Thank you.

Well, that would have hurt so much.

Question again.

Does Clyde Easton know who the baker is?

Greg Davis Garland, on record, would be able to answer that.

And I told him about the vaccines and how we did it, and he told me that he worked for three years.

And he said to me, I did not give you the information right now, today I'm on.

And I said, the White House is simply conducting its own investigation, right?

He said, yes.

who were discontented with the White House investigation.

This is why I'm going through it.

It would matter if I could come and take what I was able to do, see where Orwell was, and I'd like him to come along.

And, uh, I'm concerned he may have been involved either with being in the court or the back of the White House.

I'm kidding.

And I had some colorful comments.

He said that I referred to Greta as being dumb and pampering for the Senate.

And David said he was bullheaded.

And I said, I need a raw data from the FBI.

But I said, yeah, he was terrible.

And I said, get your clandestine German head, and you should do this sometimes.

You're going to make this great stuff.

Can you imagine that vote being spread on the public record?

This is why you've got to keep this down.

I know this was already covered, but this cannot, you can't put the president's papers out, can you?

No, you can't, because... Because he didn't make a record of this.

No, that's not it.

Nope.

I'll let this go off.

Next one asks, do you want me to write them all down?

Oh yeah, I told him about a candidate he used to be at because I am a student.

This is one tough, a damn sharp man.

I said, that's a tough one.

I said, but I said, they are really bugging us.

We're just trying to get information on them.

If it wasn't for you, we wouldn't have been able to hire him.

That's what I said.

If we can answer that short, then we will probably handle it.

Can we insist that we are considering the job?

Yeah, I feel the same way.

Sure.

That's my view.

That's what I was told this time.

That we have been so kind, so good, compared to the previous administration, we're used to the FBI.

I just find these reports bugging the president's mind.

How I told Ray to give them all life-sensitive tests after the hearing.

Uh, and Steve said, after the hearing.

He said, against the FBI and the U.S. police.

He tried to tell the Roach, he lied to the Attorney General.

He said that we had not spoken to Mike.

He said, Mike, I can't.

I never trusted him with these qualities.

I didn't agree.

Maybe we can talk to Colson about it.

This is not being done with Steve.

Dean says, I insisted because I was conducting an investigation for the president.

Dean said, no.

Great.

I said, I know where it's all coming from.

Dean says, he'll be able to do it.

And I said, well, we're going to clean up the FBI, especially if you're going to the CIA.

And he said, good, not good.

Oh, good.

He said, Greg is very proud of his investigation.

And then he said, Bill, he did another one.

Bill, he called us a lot of creeps.

And I'm going to say it.

And I said, I talked to Brady once.

He said, what?

I said, what's the problem, Brady?

He said, well, the problem was, he was traveling around the country making change in trade and staying on top of the cost of .

Right?

And you see, in retrospect, what he was really saying is that he had a hamstring injury.

I learned that from the FBI.

And also, first, I got on the FBI's bios, told me to read Sandberg on Amnesty,

Now, February 27th, we go back to the version where this is referring to.

It was my client who used to be a baker.

Our baker had an effect on bakers who were getting minority council in there.

Minority council was a disaster.

Curious as to why they did that.

This is another thing.

He wanted to avoid the circus until the point.

I said, you know, I shall claim you suffered that for the whole life.

You know that was pretty well sure looking around.

And then he said, he leaned and said, I told Mike, I said I don't think I should brief you on all I know.

If you get on the wrong track, I will tell you.

And I said, good.

And I said, I don't know what he meant by that.

Usain Baker, White House staff, all of them, etc., etc.

I don't know if this is a great brand or a cool dish from the FBI.

And we haven't bought much compared to the other A.H.F.B.I.s, Cover, and so forth, and Price, and Sullivan.

I mean, Sullivan took all the records when he left to protect white people.

We've heard that story before.

We gave it back to Martin, and he said, yeah, all this comes out of here.

And the gray felt the poison against the gray and against the green.

And so, in fact, Heather came to me.

And he heard that Sandy Smith had told Peterson about all this stuff.

And then he just dropped it in his side.

Peterson, bless his soul, has been a valuable man to us.

He was proceeding with one assumption, Ron.

That most of you are aware of.

And these are the numbers.

Are they?

Yeah, that's right.

And that there's been a hell of a damn lousy investigation into the goddamn thing.

Now later on, let's see where...

The yeoman, he knows about the yeoman.

I can't go over this one, can I?

One time.

lying on a written interrogation in any way, and he would speak to a few of his friends who are not holding anything back.

He said, see, as before the election, what I will do is to keep you posted, but just as before the election, I only bother calling on the girls in the lanes that we're at, essentially.

There you are.

There is all of it.

What the hell is there?

In his frame of mind.

And in the context of today.

You put their subtleties there.

But not back then.

March 6th was your 4-1 break.

The policy was cooperating.

I said, will we write this in and break it out?

You said yes.

I was not for it.

Are you sure?

Yeah, I saw a lot of those reports, the deal on Chancellor, John Chancellor, the whole investigation on Chancellor, did you hear about that?

That's where I got the idea.

Okay, I'm reading it.

I'm going to have to do the EOB in the morning, as soon as possible.

Totally.

Yes, sir.

We're going to join the set up, you know, between the first and the overall office.

Mm-hmm.

We're going to show you the set up for the meeting before, and see if you can do the overall office, sir.

I can.

Okay.

Anybody else?

No, sir.

Yes, sir.

At least you don't have that, right?

I don't have that.

Are you sure?

Yes, sir.

I don't know if I have more to attest to than Tom.

March the 19th rock, or even more was left in the 19th year.

You also want one in the middle of the 14th century, right in the middle of the 14th century.

Or Hill, Hill, Hill, remember what that means?

That was pre-press conference.

One of the 19th was not pre-press conference.

Now what is this?

You have the 20th here.

This here, the 20th is messed up there.

You said the 21st.

Yeah, the 21st.

I'm sorry.

20% is right down there.

The 19th.

The 19th is Mr. Gordon's.

Right.

He wanted to take more to give Rob, what do you want to call him, or whatever the name is, on the deal.

I don't know.

He got that.

I don't know.

It doesn't work like that.

I'm never going to report it, but if they were there, let me explain.

If they were there, God damn it, they will and they know.

Am I absolutely correct?

Yes, sir.

Okay.

20-30.

I'm sorry, 20-30.

I've got 20 seconds.

Well, I don't think you can.

He's got it all in our file.

I don't...

I think after the 21st we forget what the hell it is.

What do you think?

Do you agree?

I'll get to work and play together with all the telecoms.

Well, do get the telecoms so I can work.

I'll just work right out of here.

Yes, sir.

Do you have any problems with that?

The urban baker now, this is all written in my book, must fill the room.

Then he says, must come in the same tune as the great prophet, not as the great prophet, but as the great prophet.

So, we talked about harassment during the two guys' questions that you could ask.

They're all related here.

During the other questions that they could ask and so forth, Johnny went to the grade and asked, this is all a question of how to get good questions out of the grade, with regard to how the FBI had been used politically before and has ever been used politically for us.

And the last one, I mean, around the very beginning, I said, well, it may be, it may hurt the FBI, but I'm sure, you know, I mean, we, we just, and nothing was done in the future, you know.

Mr. Gregory just, you know, he didn't turn over, he didn't turn over again.

He kept coming back, you know, he said, we are clean, you know.

I know he's done it.

None of his work is out of that, especially here.

Now, he prepared the questions.

He didn't call it.

I should have put Wilson to the job.

I tested for grades.

He's very much for grades.

Come on, I'm going to let you then go draw the case.

That's a good grade.

Jim had never hired anyone in the 7th or 8th grade.

The arrows were way off in the hands of the business department.

He didn't have grades, but he reported them on the grader.

Then there was something about making coaches and consultants, putting them in the drawers.

He was a consultant.

He was a gatekeeper.

Perfection.

He's got to be privileged for things now.

He has a creed.

He has a favorite.

So that was John.

He's been a quite a secret on and on.

The young guy that has picked up Ken Reaves and so forth and so on.

He said they're not together anymore.

There are more of these questions.

We're likely to get more of this here than here.

Yeah.

One back was a girl.

Oh, it's a girl, okay.

I said, did all of them know about Siretta?

Siretta.

He said, I like the question, Siretta, and I said, did he?

He said, no.

And the name of the person he made public.

Then, an interesting part, and again I found this trigger-sounding, this is the third key.

Why not have all that all-in-all approach?

Which is, the exact truth, they won't believe the truth.

Watch this shift.

Dr. Sullivan testified in writing that Houston had their instructions for doing the things that Hoover said about national security.

That the whole thing crumbled.

Interesting.

But I thought he said when Hoover lost his guts,

So he must have known that.

Huh?

Marks it.

I'm not sure that he knew the paper had gone through.

Usually when he's out there, he's a big part of it.

But I forget it.

And so that, how about those other things that you get ready?

Big, uh, empty archives.

They just have it in the morning and expect the list to run, you know.

Or tonight, they all stay up.

We have a program for Scott, which Al's got in the middle.

Just give him the numbers.

We have nothing else right now.

And we have a scenario that Scott can bring it up with his leadership.

That is what you can say about what he's asking about it.

I do have a, you know, I mean, sometimes everything needs to be a problem.

I don't know.

Gray area again.

This is all on 13.

Gray area, right?

We're very close to cleaning out the top.

Cleaning out the top.

That's part of the advice.

Playing our game focuses on us.

We've got to get our story.

I mentioned the NBC broadcast.

We made a mistake in sending him up.

He said, if you haven't sent him up, they'd ask why.

I'm talking about the Texas guy who gave the money back to Allen.

He was kind of crappy about it.

But then he said, well it wasn't used, but why?

And I said, why did he put it in his letter?

And he went over to the check in Miami, and the market check, and all that sort of thing.

He said, well, it's a pure clean.

It showed the best value.

He said, here's the check.

He said, here's the next one.

He said, get it back for me.

Now I'm 13.

I think I'm a little better.

I don't know what the hell is going on here.

Sloan is weak and scared.

He said, we are sure of that.

I guess we all do that.

Well, Sloan, he said, I'm an artist.

People pretty much felt that, you know.

Combot was sensitive about some strategies along the way.

And I wondered how I'd only see it once a year.

Let's check the story a different time.

He will be ready.

I bet you he will be ready.

Shan's great.

Dean's wonderful.

13th and 9th.

I thought it was the Irving.

Huh?

Yeah.

I

And then the one where the judge said, how, well, he's a terrible cop, so he's going to come to the appeal.

The judge is incredible.

I said, well, I like, he said he was a hanging judge.

I said, sure, I like hanging judges.

It's fun.

It's a bit of a, I don't know if it's correct, but I said, well, maybe it's a horrible thing.

He was just a serial killer.

And this is now around 13.

I said, who the hell are they after here?

I said, my guess is Mitchell and Oliver.

Next time I'm saying.

Sure.

Horrible, and I said, God, I'm just shaking.

I said, where am I?

He said, .

I said, Colson, do you hunt?

He said, Jay, I didn't know about hunting.

He said, John, do you want to hunt?

I was very, I said, are you sure about that?

He said, but he's tougher than I am.

The problem is, I came back to him, I said,

I gathered from what he said that it had nothing to do with the plan or assumption that he may have got us to 30.

Right.

But I didn't react to that as a great doubt.

That was out of the question.

But when he said Puppet knows, I suppose you get the impression that maybe he's trying to lie to us.

But he probably didn't.

He probably pulled through.

He saw materials in the park somewhere.

Anyway, he nails Scott there.

Calls him to the pump.

He thinks he had knowledge that something was going on over there.

He doesn't think he has the same knowledge.

And I came back with, I said, I said, John, it's too late for the hang-up.

I came back with,

I said, Earth is always important.

And then Dean says, it's the danger to land out.

There are dangers in landing out.

He says, I think I can convince Earth that there are dangers in landing out.

See, but here, Mr. President, what you were talking about, what you had in mind, was not

It was not payments to people, awareness of payments to people.

What you had in mind was a hangout in terms of secreting whatever.

There's no cover-up in this.

After this point, there is not one talk of cover-up.

You know, not one bit.

There's a little, there's a feeling up through here, the scab, there's, now they're having them cut up and so forth.

He comes back to this, he said, no one in the White House knew it was done, but some may have seen the fruits of it.

What the hell is that?

He's not sure.

You know, they can't vet this all.

There's a business about the fact that it says there's a cop up there who knows more about congenital quidditch than anybody in the country.

He can't figure it out.

Another cop.

We got back to commerce.

We, uh, followed him.

He said he's perfectly labeled pre-invention farm, third one.

We're gonna get a cell line and talk to him.

But we had used the FBI as an open and action security person.

We were the only checking person at the time.

Sure.

But there actually was an action security officer.

We didn't say that.

But we didn't do anything.

We just ran a name check on him.

That's what happened.

Now in the 60s,

That's where we met Steve.

He's got something to tell.

I was very interested.

Give Ron that one little quote out of that long thing of crap that you had to listen to.

This is all part of, this is all present.

That's right, that's right.

Sir, I remember.

They were in a park.

It's, it's currently a vast, vast park.

If you have questions, they will come in.

I would answer the question whether the investigation was conducted.

Uh, the response was whether the investigation was conducted or given to me.

I'm supposed to say that?

No, our executive was supposed to say that.

He was present.

He was present, yeah.

I'm sorry, what did you say?

And, uh,

There's no information that's found that would, anyway, .

There it is.

That was Dean's recommended response to that conference.

That's all the way through?

Yeah.

That's all the way through the .

I said, be sure there's no cover up for the LDR and so forth and so on, gray or... At the end of the month, there was no recipe for it.

But I said, but he said, I said, why don't you give me a copy of your findings?

And that gray was for the LDR.

Probably about a day or two ago.

I said that if Bader got on the wrong side of the G, it would destroy his chance to be a leader.

And he had no contacts with Irving, and he wouldn't work with Dan.

Honestly, he doesn't seem to have the correct amount of time for the full 100-day speech.

So all of this is concerning, so I'll stick on with him, and I'll actually get the story out.

Then he suggested Ziegler could get a statement based on Dean's investigation.

It came in four and a half days.

I remember when that came up, and I said, well, I thought it was one and a half days before that I did.

Anyway, so much really.

That means somebody who can't ask, who can't answer,

The only question he can't answer because he's got people in trouble.

We're so close now, I want to suggest that Friday's day and not be too long.

And he said, again, I'm going to try to bounce into a whole flock of little problems which haven't emerged yet.

They need a good master plan.

I said, I'd like to talk to you more about it.

I said, why don't you and Mark go to Camp David together sometime?

He said, you know what I'm saying?

You've already talked to him.

I said, yeah.

I talked about that.

She was bad.

I said, I said, we kind of want to buy off the position and cover it up.

How are you going to do that?

My niece wanted to try and fake her off, but she didn't get to where I was getting to.

I need to go home.

I said, why?

Because I was over this one hit, one hit.

I said, John, you didn't know about it.

He said, that's right, I had no knowledge.

No prior knowledge.

How would he not strike you if he hadn't struck you?

He was telling me that he was comfortable.

Comfortable.

Anyway.

Then he said, started talking about my privilege.

Jeff's good, but if he sees himself sinking, he'll drag everything with him.

But he couldn't remake conventional.

If I heard him say that, I would have related it to Mitchell.

I know.

And he said that he'd seen Lee, Libby, right after it happened.

He said, no one in the White House except possibly Straub.

He said, McGruder had pushed him without mercy.

Libby talked to Dee right after that.

And I said, why don't you then call him and push him?

I said, I don't want to call him and push him.

He says, I agree.

And he says, it's fine.

He says, he probably had a kick with it, and he figured he was supposed to push him.

But you see, again, he doesn't say that he knew what he was pushing for.

And I said, I don't know why the hell they went at him.

Now here's one, I don't know what it's saying here, but I said, you know, the thing here is that the Guru, the Guru put the heat on, and as long as he starts this and not hauling, he said, that's going to be rough.

I said, you've got to cut that off.

You can't have it for hauling.

I suppose he could say there that I was telling him to cover up and she said, come on.

I suppose he could say that in the context of the time.

Still, I didn't know nothing.

I didn't know that the rooter was lying.

He was in order to swallow us.

We do no virtue that's committed to me.

relates more to political problems before the Earth Committee and charges that have been made.

This point here relates to the fact, why can't we get a report on it?

There's no, and so forth.

And I said, well, look, in the future, you can hear the problem.

This guy, this guy, this guy.

I said, you're going to bring it right up the hall.

I'm going to bring it right up to the White House.

And I said, we've got to cut that guy.

But keep in mind, Mr. President,

We're not, at this point, talking about a trial.

What you're talking about is an urgent committee hearing.

Now, there's no illegality in having received information from the wiretapping operation.

My view in hearing this would have been, in the context of the urban committee hearings,

If someone would say, well, strong receiving material.

I remember going through this exercise with Bob.

I said, Bob, did you ever receive the material?

He said, no.

Now, that's what I was saying.

And here's the point that I hope you've covered in our statement.

Remember I told you, Alfred, don't say that I learned it for the first time from Peterson.

That's right.

We didn't put it in that way either.

Right.

Here's one I read.

I read much.

It's exactly right.

He told me on the 17th, 17th of November, this is an article that's got a problem.

I said, what the hell is it?

He said, well, and he told me about this goddamn picture of Ellsworth and so forth.

That was the first one I ever heard of that.

Brand new video.

But this fits it out of my mind.

It's making this...

I was reassuring him.

I wondered, frankly, Groening might have told the curator it was a lie and he was to protect me.

But he didn't.

I didn't know what to do on that day.

I never told the soldier.

So there was Dean told me the position on June 7th.

On June 7th.

He said it had nothing to do with her.

Then he mentioned the chapter quitting.

All of that is in the context of the discussion of the Berkeley committee hearing.

Now, even making reference to the Oldenburg trial on the 17th of March, where we mentioned that Berkeley was earlier than having a problem regarding the very good design of everybody.

We weren't talking about the trial at all, in terms of people.

And that they had to settle.

Do you understand that?

that the Justice Department had that and said, well, they never got that back.

There's nothing in here said to you that would have led you to any conclusion that you should have acted in any way because Dean had, throughout the whole fight, there's not a reason I should have.

He was right like her.

He is in charge of the justice system.

He sees clients every day.

Christ either is sober or anything that he doesn't pass will be justice.

He would pass.

That's what I'm saying.

See my point?

If anybody ever asks why you don't pass something over, you'll learn from me.

Christ, up until the time he left on April the 13th,

They even had that obligation.

And I assumed that he was in direct contact with them.

And you were talking about political problems, not the legal problems.

Political problems as it related to the urgency of the hearings and what could come out in the course of those hearings is the question.

The data I know does exist.

And those notes are good.

I know that's what I thought, but I was probably worried about the other way, too, around the placement.

You know, I'm strong, I'm sure I've got all the involvement on that thing.

That's why you asked that question.

That's why I said, kind of off in the past, but what I was thinking there was basically not to get all those guys to discipline each other,

The dean could go out with probably some justification to the dean.

He'd probably say, he told the president about all this, warned him about all this.

He said, strong.

He never put initials in the warning.

He said, strong.

This is from a very confidential source.

It's an exercise that's necessary to do.

I don't believe it.

Right down to the ground is this.

Goddammit, we were all around here.

Didn't want girl to get involved.

We're all involved.

We're all concerned about things.

I didn't feel they were, but getting down, listening to this stuff about 317, that totally exposed Dean's proposition or whatever he was asking.

Yeah.

Aspects of the cover.

Yeah, I suppose it was aspects from his standpoint.

So let's hear a touch on that.

What would you say?

Who the hell is on the edge?

How do we handle that?

Through all of them, we can handle them on the third, 20th version.

Which is a problem.

What do you think can happen?

I think.

I'm trying to find what the hell you're doing.

What about this?

I'm getting out at a certain time.

I don't know.

Bazaar said that Dean made a family directory for a battery.

Do you hear about that?

No, I didn't hear about the subject question.

I thought he wasn't really up for it.

Bazaar, you know,

He's a lawyer now.

He's playing a very, very tough game.

He's blabbing all over the place.

And the lawyer, when you hear this stuff, the lawyer is like, God damn it.

Today, it's likely to have told the lawyer the story wrong from his vantage point.

Of course.

All along, my position was fixed.

I didn't want to be a threat.

Because I expressed total amazement that she's trying.

You know, man, I didn't believe it.

What the hell is wrong?

I think I called the leader and I told him.

Even in the same period when I was questioning Bob, and I still think it's probably a bad mistake to ask.

I asked Bob, as I was talking to the team's manager when I said, Bob, did you ever listen to any of the stuff that he said?

No, he said, you know, I think that's why I struggled again.

I don't know.

I think John did.

I don't know if it's a charge to John, but it was a bugger to him.

Not at all.

I don't think there's any charge on it.

Oh, yes there are.

Mark, I'm sorry.

That was part of the whole goddamn investigation.

My father, he may have told me a little before.

That's why I left that loose.

But up to the 17th, at least we have some talk, some conversation.

I don't know.

It can't be.

It can't be recorded.

Sure.

The funny is that we've got the whole god damn thing for the month of March on.

Whatever you're accused of, you can hear what kind of crap it is.

Sorry.

After the census, after the investigation, after a full ten months,

a thorough investigation by the Justice Department, and putting trust in the people around you that this would be handled, while you were in the process of everything else that happened in 1972.

God damn it.

In March, when this started coming to you, I could tell by your reaction to that, you were saying, what in the hell is going on?

I started reacting before the 21st of March, actually.

Dean shouldn't have had to come in and say, can't you hire a president?

To his credit, he did.

He did.

All of them didn't tell me that.

Early on they told me that.

And actually, he did that.

From the 21st.

Yep.

Why do you say that?

How are you getting along with those calls, is that true?

Yes sir, I'm live.

We've got about an hour.

I'm just not able to reproduce it.

So I have to write it down.

Great.

But, what is the point of all of this?

Well, you know, I wonder, frankly, Ron, and I hope that everyone here has got that charted.

All of the people here don't have that charted.

But, thank you, God, that you weren't wondering about the carbon monoxide.

I mean, I thought about it.

I honestly didn't know.

I don't remember, but when I looked at that log and I saw myself in this meeting on the 14th, I said, well, I never even talked about it.

Then I immediately recalled it on the 15th, it was a press conference, and then I immediately recalled that that was the period when we were talking about Gray and Dean was being asked to appear and we were preparing the president as to how he would respond to executive privilege and would his counsel go up in television before the urban committee hearings and anticipating those kinds of questions.

What are your views, Ron, as to how we handle these problems and so forth and so on?

I don't know if it's the...

I suppose it's the feel that he's impressed with John Deacon and the act of protecting him.

Well, I feel that it's not good enough.

I think we let Dean run his show a little bit.

and not respond to it.

We can't run to the point that it hurts us too much.

No, no.

Anything we're doing there, when you counteract it, you'll be denied it.

Yes, sir.

You'll be denied something before it can happen.

Oh, true.

Well, not many of us have done that.

No, no, I know that better.

You're not going to strangle them, are you?

Yes, sir.

And then, if it begins to hurt too much,

I would think that we would bring more into a background in the session, probably, but the number of hours.

Can you do that?

More?

Not directly, maybe.

See, he's a witness to that case himself.

He doesn't fall for it.

Or then maybe when we do a third party, maybe Bazaar or something.

Begin to get backfire.

The background profits are at least $35,000.

There were really 20 meetings, 13 phone calls, and they related to urban committee, uh, braille hearings.

Nothing before the 27th that they related to this, this, this, this, this, this, this.

Not for the 21st of March.

You come in and talk about a cover-up.

And he did not in any way suggest that he was involved correctly in... On the 23rd.

Should it even be?

And what I gave in these notes here, he suggested that being might be called to the memory where he said, because I over this like a lion.

But then I said, but you have no God.

You hit him harder.

He said, no, you didn't.

See, I was really trying to get the goddamn facts all the way through this.

The problem is that everybody else around here is trying to get the facts, in my opinion.

Each of them had other visions than I did.

The key to this thing was Ron's vision.

Always in the deep.

He did a great job.

So McGirr wrote for Mitchell.

McGirr lied for Mitchell.

You know that, don't you?

That's a tragedy, don't you?

Mitchell would never step up to you.

Well, I suppose, would you?

You know, every time the General would step up and say he was bugged and shy,

But I would step up and say, well, guys, you've proved you've done the same thing and so forth, but I take responsibility for it, and I'm like, uh, you know, and I've got to pay for it, and I've got to pay for it, you know, and spend the time with you, and listen to you, and decide for you, and whatever the hell I do.

And once, and I, under Ola, he was stuck.

He was stuck in his head.

Perjury is a crime that's called very invaluable.

Did you notice Dean?

I met him right here the last year.

Dean knew what he was doing.

Let me tell you.

Well, there's an important fact that I believe is important.

Lisa Barne, a group, perjured in Mitchell's presence.

That's the major crime.

That's the whole goddamn thing.

Dean knew it here.

Of course he knew it.

He knew all of this.

He knew all of it.

He didn't tell us.

You hear any of that in here?

The prosecutor's not...

But you see, in fairness to Dean, when he mentioned the fact that Sharonda's involved and he mentioned the fact that...

that he was not going to let it all hang out and Erving might have a problem and so forth, he might well have drawn a conclusion around it, the president slaughtered him, but he's the legal one.

The legal bid is Erving to appear, it's not the legal bid in terms of the trial.

We're talking about the Urban Committee.

That's right.

We're talking about the trial.

The trial is over.

We were concerned about the Urban Committee and what they would press for in terms not of illegality, but in terms of political embarrassment, you know, of some of the silly things.

Well, I hate that.

But the Justice Department.

Don't you think it's interesting now to run through this, really, the goddamn records?

Not bad as a bishop.

That makes me feel just wonderful.

Not that I, it's not comfortable for me because I was sitting there like a dumb turkey.

Not so I'm reacting to some of these goddamn things.

It's a rush monetary.

Five men sit in a room and what occurs in that room or what is said in that room means something different to each man based upon his perception of events preceding it.

And that is exactly what this is.

Exactly what this is.

But I did say to him, you know, we mentioned a very long vision on each other and I think the thing to do is to cut it off and pass.

I want them running.

That's an urban committee I want to do now.

That's totally urban committee.

But Dean, I suppose Dean goes out and says something.

Well, that's why I think we should let it bring Dean on his strength, because he's saying so much, or so much is being said for him.

It all is becoming so diffused with the story.

That's why we can't begin to, at this point, this is only right there, begin to respond click-by-click to everything that he says about it.

Actually, Dean has a bright tendency coming out of all of this very fast and very, you know, and then people have to be cracked more,

Dealt with in some ways, which we should have turned down the line to.

I don't know.

I thought that would be the other way, except for crashing.

This is right on the position.

Top of the lock, you know.

You can go up like that.

You know, we had better...

as the lawyer for Culver State is early clear based on this.

Yes, sir.

We've got a different right to that problem, haven't we?

We got there.

The principal calls, sir, the ones made on, the three calls made on March 14th, those are the short ones.

Yeah.

Those were the first calls I made, huh?

Yeah, I didn't make any further records.

March 10th was the first call.

We don't have a record of March 10th, unfortunately.

It's a canteen.

I don't have it.

There were no calls before March 10th.

There were none before March.

I know that, I know that.

Go ahead.

We have a call that Ron placed in your presence to Dean.

So I just noted on here you've got an extended call on March 16th.

I'm sorry, I have an extended call on March 16th and we're having an extended conversation on March 20th.

We're running about 20 minutes.

And so we'll leave until the 20th.

This is by the 12th, March 20th.

That's the last time we have a record of something.

Alright, March 20th.

So, what I have is that 20th.

We've got close to 40 minutes of telephone calls right now.

That's all you've got recorded.

That's all we have, that's it.

You don't have the call that I made to Florida, are you sure?

Unfortunately not.

We have another one in Mississippi, Florida.

And, uh, there is...

One in Camp David, but it's only next to your couch now.

I'm not familiar with which one last.

Okay, I've got it now.

This works the same with the other?

Yes, sir.

It's right on the counter.

It's set with the first one now.

I'll be glad to hang it up.

You're not surprised, and you don't find anything in any files with regard to your records.

My thought through the day was that he probably took everything out.

Thanks, I mean, as Fred is very true to checking this, he went not only to speaking with you during this period, but he went to previous periods back in the day, routine-type things.

and also his pattern of operating.

And there were no MENCOMs.

I recall, for example, the time that we were going to bring McFarland, Virginia on board as Supreme Court Justice.

He would have done MENCOMs.

If he would have done MENCOMs, there would have been a pattern in his file that would show that.

And he couldn't have taken out his whole file.

There would be nothing there.

of meetings with you, but just his normal pattern.

And his files, apparently, according to Fred, he's going to take another look at them, are not organized in that way.

And this was always my sense.

He's just not that type of a disciplined man.

Maybe he's taken them all out, put them in one place over there, and he's going to have to look carefully at them.

Well, Fred looked pretty terrible.

I don't know if he was.

He's going to go back again.

But, uh...

What I was saying about this crap.

He said, it's reassuring up to a point that at least this whole business that we sat in there inspired a lot of cover-up in each other's direction.

Now, you did talk about it in the funny version.

I said, it's not a conversation.

I thought it was horrible in the funny version, which you will.

But I think we can survive that, too.

I said, you?

Yeah, absolutely.

How the hell did you get it to him?

It's raw.

That's the key.

I don't know if he remembers that.

I'm sure he would say that.

He would know.

He would have done a real good job.

Could have been better.

Well, it does with the ones all stirred up and thinking about something else.

With that, it's a hemorrhage trip, and they're all closing their eyes and saying, you know, don't concentrate on something else.

Which is good.

Yeah.

At least they don't have pressure.

Sure.

Are they all upset that the Dean started it?

No, no, they're fine.

That's why this can be a great one.

They went through the thing with Jerry, and then Jerry accepted and posted the Paris sign, and that's all they're talking about.

They're buzzing around, and they're not going without it, of course.

But they're thinking about something else.

Wednesday, it was a player, and Peter said,

And they come in.

Of course, Herb's going to announce it.

He's leaving tomorrow.

Which of the staff got it?

Then the announcements this week.

Thursday.

Well, Wednesday or Thursday, it was later.

Then the Friday thing was later.

Thursday was the event in Paris.

Yeah, Thursday, the event in Paris.

Then Friday, actually, we met Saturday.

Friday.

Or something I need to do in the city.

Well, I can at least deploy it.

Then Saturday, in Florida, we have the ER job.

It's going to be a good week.

It's going to be throwing off.

Right.

I'm so sorry.

I'm going to go all day long next time.

I'm sorry, Mark.

That doesn't matter.

I'm not being grimey.

Polyamory.

I don't go as far as some would go.

Things are not turned around yet.

There is a different tone here.

We still have Tupac, but the government, you know, people are hanging in Tupac.

This is going to, you know, I might say,

Now, then you've got the Cox element, calling for the urban committees to disband the day of this press conference.

Did they?

Oh, yes.

What do you mean?

The Cox did?

Oh, yes.

Did the press conference?

Yes.

Two of them called the press conference.

Six points.

You've got urban coming back against them.

You've got guys like even Tony Lewis.

Bill Sapphire agreed with the point about justice can only serve us.

We all have debated and discussions starting to build, which is very good.

And we tick our tongue.

Cox doesn't want to go to the committee.

No, sir.

Of course not.

He wants his show.

And he may end up resigning.

That's what Fred said.

Really?

He said that Cox, he feels,

attempting to move to a position where he could resign because he was saying, I can't.

And he said, Cox is realizing this now.

Cox is realizing the same thing now, that the others refused to take the special question, which I realized earlier.

It was that tough.

And the case is probably already reported.

except that i would think cox would be why didn't we have a chance to crack the president but we've got uh not to get the president but um

And we've got to remember, Ron, that Bing does not have what you said he had.

I don't know what kind of paper or whatever he pulled out of here.

He said he's got some document, for example.

And based on this, he may not have that either.

Maybe you should take the telephone call.

I don't know.

On the other hand, he's got his oral testimony, which he will get.

Pretty rough.

Well, I think it's too early to make a judgment.

It is too early.

A little later than we need it.

Ignore it.

Or start a backfire.

It's too early to start a backfire.

Go down the road.

Or, the third option is someone down the road can just decimate the team, or just somebody saying it once.

That's your point that you had a reason.

Nobody would believe you.

And God damn it, they shouldn't.

But you may have to say that you were betrayed and misled for 10 months.

You're not going to allow this betrayal.

It's self-serving.

Plenty of you were taken by individuals under the work of this nation.

OK.

This is interesting, isn't it?

Yes, sir.

Yeah, this morning, I was really wondering how the Christ in some of this should have for you to learn.

I don't know if I have the heart of a man, but I have a very good feeling.