Conversation 442-048

TapeTape 442StartMonday, June 4, 1973 at 5:06 PMEndMonday, June 4, 1973 at 6:04 PMParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Bull, Stephen B.Recording deviceOld Executive Office Building

On June 4, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 5:06 pm and 6:04 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 442-048 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 442-048

Date: June 4, 1973
Time: Unknown between 5:06 pm and 6:04 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with Stephen B. Bull.

[A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was initially prepared for the
Watergate Special Prosecution Force (WSPF) and can be found in Record Group (RG) 460, Box
172, “Transcript Prepared by the Impeachment Inquiry Staff for the House Judiciary
Committee…,” pages 58-60 (.pdf pages 62-64). The Nixon Presidential Materials Staff
reviewed the transcript and made changes as necessary. This transcript has been reviewed under
the provisions of the Presidential Recordings and Materials Preservation Act of 1974 (PRMPA).
The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]

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             -Length [?]
             -Alternative

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Bull left at an unknown time before 6:04 pm.

                                                                             Conversation No. 442-049

Date: June 4, 1973
Time: 6:04 pm - 7:47 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with Stephen B. Bull and Ronald L. Ziegler.

[A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was initially prepared for the
Watergate Special Prosecution Force (WSPF) and can be found in Record Group (RG) 460, Box
172, “Transcript Prepared by the Impeachment Inquiry Staff for the House Judiciary
Committee…,” pages 60-124 (.pdf pages 64-129). The Nixon Presidential Materials Staff
reviewed the transcript and made changes as necessary. This transcript has been reviewed under
the provisions of the Presidential Recordings and Materials Preservation Act of 1974 (PRMPA).
The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]

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Bull left at an unknown time before 7:47 pm.

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 6:04 pm.

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 7:47 pm.

Bull entered at an unknown time after 6:04 pm.

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       White House tapes
             -Review
                     -Difficulty
                     -Sequence [?]
                     -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman

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             -Review
                     -Bull
                                -Transcription

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Bull left at an unknown time before 7:47 pm.

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[Previous National Security (B) withdrawal reviewed under MDR guidelines case number
LPRN-T-MDR-2014-010. Segment declassified on 10/03/2017. Archivist: DR]
[National security]

[442-049-w001]
[Duration: 28s]

       J. Edgar Hoover surveillance
              -Henry Brandon
                     -British Intelligence
              -Joseph Kraft
                     -President’s view
                     -Communication with North Vietnamese

       John W. Dean, III
           -Preparation

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       Supreme Court
             -William J. Brennan, Jr., Thurgood Marshall
             -Potter Stewart
             -Byron R. (“Whizzer”) White, Harry S. Blackmun
             -William H. Rehnquist, Lewis F. Powell, Jr., Warren E. Burger
             -Jews

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       Executive Office of the President
              -Jews
                     -Leaks

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       Watergate
             -Kleindienst
                    -President’s recommendation

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       Watergate
             -President’s conversation with Dean
                    -Cooperation
                    -L[ouis] Patrick Gray, III and Richard G. Kleindienst
                    -Gray’s nomination
                            -Alternatives
                                    -Police officer

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Bull entered at an unknown time after 6:04 pm.

Bull left at an unknown time before 7:47 pm.

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       Watergate
             -Kenneth S. Rietz
                   -[Unknown employee]
                           -College
                   -Questions-and-answer session
                           -Newsweek
                   -[Unknown woman]

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       Watergate
             -President’s conversation with Dean
                    -William H. Sullivan
                    -Haldeman [?]
                    -Ervin Committee [?]
                    -Gray’s confirmation hearings
                    -Dean’s investigation
             -Public relations [PR]
                    -Dean

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Bull entered at an unknown time after 6:04 pm.

Bull left at an unknown time before 7:47 pm.

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       Watergate
             -President’s conversation with Dean
                    -Report
                            -Television [TV] [?]
                                    -Ervin Committee [?]

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       Watergate
             -Cover-up
                    -President’s role
                           -Legal culpability [?]

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Bull entered at an unknown time after 6:04 pm.

Bull left at an unknown time before 7:47 pm.

[The transcript contains segments listed out of order on pages 106-107 (.pdf pages 111-112).]

Bull entered at an unknown time after 6:04 pm.

Bull left at an unknown time before 7:47 pm.

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       Watergate
             -Archibald Cox
                    -Possible intentions concerning President
                           -Perjury
                           -Embarrassment
             -Ervin Committee
                    -“Show trial”
                           -Charles A. Wright
                                   -Paper

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Ziegler left at 7:47 pm.

This transcript was generated automatically by AI and has not been reviewed for accuracy. Do not cite this transcript as authoritative. Consult the Finding Aid above for verified information.

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This one got a...
I guess I'll have to check it here.
I don't have it on around.
So, maybe you can, can you take it now?
Is that the number for the person?
Let me show you.
Give me the number for the person.
What is the number for the person?
Remember where this began?
Yeah.
Okay, check it out and see if I missed something.
We did lose the second more conversation, the more team conversation in a year, for some reason.
We lost it?
We lost that one.
And we don't have the telephone we called a few days from Camp David.
The gentleman said we took more than that call.
That's right.
We have the ones from Peter's game.
Yes, sir.
We don't have those recorded.
We don't have those.
Okay.