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All right, come in, sit down.

Sorry to keep you waiting.

The discussion varies right now.

Well, you probably have noted several issues.

How are you getting along?

Quite well.

When do you have your, uh, how do you get into one of your meetings, one of these times?

When is the next, uh, period of science?

Right.

There's one going on today and tomorrow.

Oh, okay.

Today and tomorrow.

What is it, the whole group?

The whole group.

The TAC, unfortunately, is not here.

The TAC is here.

No, it's here.

The TAC market.

Oh, he's on.

Yes.

If you've got time, Mr. President, we'll get a picture.

It certainly would be a helpful thing.

I don't know.

I haven't really gotten conscious.

Oh, yes, sir.

I'd be good.

This is a great morning.

I'd be great.

And where?

Just before lunch.

Certainly.

You could bring them over here and put them in the cabinet room and... Yeah, well, it's good that there's a few people there.

Let's have a 30-minute deal and then you start arranging.

Right.

What do you think, Anthony?

You know, if you wanted to give them a little something special, unless they are used to this format, you could take that room downstairs.

To give them lunch?

You'd have to give them lunch.

You'd have to give that to the guy in the room?

Yes, sir.

Sure.

Would you like to do that?

He'd be great.

Just close the door.

I could talk to your brother at lunch.

He'd be very kind.

He'd do it again.

He's very well received.

Perfect.

Come and dance with me.

Okay, I was wondering, you probably have some subjections.

I'd like to spend 30 minutes with the science advisory team tomorrow.

And I'd like to do it just before lunch.

Could we go to 12 o'clock?

What do we have tomorrow?

The only question is whether you're going to do the governor's conference at 2 o'clock or 2 o'clock.

That would be an afternoon.

I would be going.

Somebody suggests a lot of times.

3.30 is when they would want you to.

That's when they first meet.

Well, when they burst me, I'll go over and open it.

If you want it at 3.30, you can open it.

Yeah.

The question is, how much?

Yeah, I want that.

Into that one.

I want it off the record.

I don't want those.

I don't want the press there.

Why are you suggesting they want the press there?

I don't know.

They're not going to be there.

It should be a closed meeting.

And they're recommending full press coverage.

And they don't understand.

I know.

We're not using them.

Let me tell you what I have in mind.

We'll set this up in the morning and do it in a half hour.

We'll set it up so that they don't have lunch and swing around and have an executive manager.

So we'll meet here at 12 and then at about 12 noon and then at about 45 I'll have to clear up and try to get up there to do those 40 minutes I know.

But we'll let them probably meet in the cabin.

No, no, they're going to meet in the cabin but they'll have lunch with the executive manager.

Yes, that's right.

And Dr. Haley takes them down there, and we'll provide lunch for them this time.

It's our guests.

I'll tell them that I'd like to have my guests for lunch, and we'll take care of it.

Now, Bob, here's my earlier talk about what I want to particularly put your mind to.

And I found yesterday when we raised this subject that I told her to ask you about our webinars this morning.

You know, this problem of the unemployed science and all the rest, everybody's got these jackass ideas that you can take a spaceman and make him clean up the environment and the rest of it.

Now, you could, but it takes a little time.

And secondly, you don't need all that many people.

But apart from that, as you know, this will solve itself.

A country can, well, yes, if you look at India and Latin America, a country can't have too many PhDs, too damn many.

But it's very dangerous for a country to have too many.

And I have enough to do.

My point is that I think it's terribly important for us to show concern.

Can you talk to people about my plan here?

What I want to do... No, sir.

Not about this.

He's been working on the problem.

Yeah.

If you didn't mention anything about our plan, but I want to show some interest in these spacemen and all these other people, the technocrats.

Here's what I have in mind.

Well...

Who would be worried about it in our shop?

Who's basically, well, he would speak that out loud.

You remember I suggested a meeting, a meeting where we bring people in and just let them talk about it so we feel concerned.

We've got people, you know, aerospace technicians driving cabs and so forth.

They're a proud bunch.

They won't just go out without that damn relief.

Excuse me.

Mark a straight credit.

The first week in March, we have a meeting here of the officers of all the professional associations and such, all these people.

They all belong to one or the other.

And a man named Walt, my staff, is organizing that meeting for the purpose of talking to the faculty.

So is that going to be a meeting where we can adequately...

express concern and get it filtered back to those people.

That's the purpose of the meeting.

I just don't want to meet those damn officers.

That's a waste of time.

It is one way to give them visibility.

They're not Washington lobbyists, most of them.

They're working scientists, most of them, who are not elected now.

His second point says this.

The only place in the government, Packard's working on it.

And they're trying to, well, there's transfer one from another.

But one place in the government that I feel very strongly about, and this is going to break some channel with the NID and all these other people.

We have, you know, a very big chunk we've done in the science, you know, our whole subsidy of science in the university is a pretty good chunk, right?

Now, it's my understanding that a lot of that really goes

to supplement the incomes of people who already have full-time positions.

You get my point?

Yes, sir.

I think this is true.

This is at least what Joel says is true.

Now, I think that it's fine if these people share it, but what I'm getting at is I see no reason why...

How do you know better than anybody else?

But if it's going to be wasted, why don't we waste it on a few of these unemployed people?

Is there any way, in other words, you can take some of these funds instead of, you know, bailing out the University of California and MIT and not to mention some lesser institutions, which all these things are not, I know, and all of our professors are screaming.

I noticed an article in the paper this morning you probably saw where

the times, the crisis in higher education where colleges are having to cut back and universities are having to cut back.

And it's laying basically on the wrong reasons, the real reasons for that.

It isn't just something to cut back on.

It is a real reason.

The major reason, at least half of them, is the fact that a hell of a lot of their people, like Sanders' people, got sick to their gut at the demonstrations and cut their right to pull the support out of the board.

What I'd like for you to do, I don't know what you're doing, what you're saying, but if you would listen.

I know you put your money there.

Let's find a way that we could even, if we could say that out of your funds, what is it, $300 million?

Something like that.

Thank you.

$622 million is your budget this year.

All right.

So out of that $600 million, how about just enough to take care of maybe $10,000 on retraining?

That times 10.

What's that, $100 million?

So why not $1 million, $100 million, or the $600 million for the purpose of taking care of all scientists and so forth?

What I'm getting at is it's a...

I don't know whether it should be training, but I mean grants.

What do they do for you to pull all the money?

We'll send some of these guys in, Marty.

Let them work with the mice, all those silly little things they do.

I mean, let one of the spacemen do it.

I think it doesn't make any difference who does it, frankly.

We'll see.

There's probably a whole lot of people, a lot of fat in there.

And it's going to some people that really don't deserve it and don't need it.

where there's a hell of a lot of other people that desperately need it, that are out there that lost their jobs and don't know anything else.

That's the trouble.

They don't know a damn thing, do they?

People probably hired them.

The big problem is that people have to find a way around this, is that those people don't have the soldiers, the grants to the people.

What you've got to do is get the universities to employ those people in their research.

or give them to new institutions that don't have the grant now, and would therefore have to go out and hire them.

The universities would just have the grant that goes to the professor, his income would go down a bit.

But if you went to an institute...

Some of the grants go to the institutions.

In some cases, these fellows form consortiums.

And I've been bidding for government contracts.

Can we find out about that?

Who's going to support us?

That's exactly what we're doing.

We're going to find out that great woman.

Who is that man?

Ed Carpenter.

Can you... Well, they are... Let me say that I... Look, you know how these people are.

What am I concerned about?

They're just people like me.

an unemployed person who's been in the salary market.

He came out of college.

They paid for the work and he came in.

So they gave him $12,000 or $15,000.

He was probably not worth anything except in that particular area.

And then so he goes up to $20,000, $25,000.

And he's got two kids and another coming and a car.

And he's got a $30,000 house for a $20,000 house or a $40,000 house for a $30,000 house.

And he's in hell of a shape.

Now, that kind of a guy is much worse than a guy who is a carpenter or a plumber or a black.

Tell the lucky people who are there.

I mean, because they don't have any problems.

They have no scruples on their clothes.

It's the same.

They don't have scruples, but they're going down and taking the food stamps and getting the welfare.

These people do.

That is the problem.

And I do not want them to think that...

I understand the number is approximately 70,000, 70,000, 90,000.

Your number is different, but it's not the number that George...

I had that.

I had that, but it's a very slushy number.

It's a slushy number, but the point is, here they are.

Let me say, there's a lot of this for these people.

If you turn that articulate group of people against the system, then you do have a problem.

Yeah, but the other part of it is that what's wrong is not where they are now, it's where they were before.

Where they were before?

But we made it that way.

Well, what you said is exactly right.

What you've done is $10,000 or $15,000 men who were making $30,000 because of the idiotic competition for them, it's top down.

So now they've got to go back to $15,000 if you can get your guy back where he belonged.

The problem is that he's having quite a $75,000 house.

That toothpaste won't go back in the tube.

I understand it, actually.

He bought a $70,000 house in Orange County, Beverly Hills, all the rest, which is part of the system, but here we are.

You know, I found an interesting thing out with regard to the stock market that the, you know,

Now, I mean, in a bull transaction, you know, all those huge things, a hell of a lot of the people, during the time it was down, they let off a lot of their people.

Now they're having a hell of a time in their back room keeping up with it, and they're hiring.

Yeah, but not as much trouble as they had before, and they have gotten some intelligence about how to push the product.

Those people that were in the market before, those young guys were there.

It was tough for them because they were in the seller's market.

Now they're out.

Well, they were talking about being overtaken.

Oh, my God.

The greatest travesty was the amount of money that the average stock salesman was making.

If you weren't any good at all and you didn't make $50,000, $60,000, you were... $50,000, $60,000, yeah.

Of course, you know what?

Back right now, until you start keeping your $20 million share of $80,000, you know, you're making money.

And...

They're changing the split between the firm, the commission between the firm and the salesman.

The salesman aren't quite as arrogant as they were.

This is across the board, Mr. President.

You know what they're paying.

They go out $18,000 a year for law school graduates just to compete.

They aren't worth a damn.

But that situation has changed through all of these industries, and there's a lot more sense in the hiring market than there was.

And that's a healthy change all the way around, including, most especially for the young people.

They're a hell of a lot better off to come out and be hired at $10,000 than they are to come out and be hired at $80,000.

That's the thing to say, but let me say it's a terrible human problem for an individual when you put him out there.

When he was making it, and now he's down, that's what I'm concerned about.

We've got to help the poor bastards.

And if you see what I mean, because it's a human tragedy, you could say, well, they shouldn't have ever had it.

Well, I mean, look, you're talking about a kid that's been spoiled.

You're not so excited that that kid gets dropped in jail.

I'll tell you what, it's not a veteran person.

We don't do that.

And there's a difference between taking a guy from $30,000 and putting him on release and taking him from $30,000 and getting him on an $18,000 job.

And that's what we're talking about.

They're trying to use some of this money to give them reasonable jobs in which they can earn a decent living and keep their self-respect.

Problems with his grants are they're science grants and these people are not scientists, they're engineers.

They're not capable of doing it.

Most of them are not engineers in the usual sense of the term.

They're draftsmen.

They're draftsmen and they're people who project supervisors, they're administrators, people of that kind.

And I think a great deal can be done with these people who are probably doing such things as small business administration, guarantee loans, things of this sort to get them to start our list.

Can I suggest one thing?

I met with the minority business people today, and I thought, in Garmin, those fellows are just banging the hell out of me about minority business.

I think it's fine.

But that's a long-range project.

That'll take 100 years.

They can really qualify, most of them.

So just take about a quarter, a half of those funds and put it into this proposition.

These guys can run a small business.

They have a chance to make it.

And let's face it, the blacks, the Mexicans, the Indians, it's pure symbolism.

Don't you think so, John?

Yes, the numbers are irrelevant anyway.

All you gotta do is find one guy making a flag

growing beans or something like that.

So you prove that you're a minority business.

But this whole thing has just gone completely out of wax.

The trick here is to find a pot of money that doesn't have so many strings on it that you can get it to these guys.

Now, I told you the other day about this model city's money that we've got.

We're getting it.

So I should know that.

We are.

We're tapping model cities for money.

And we're getting it to these fellas under the theory that they'll become city employees and become city managers or municipal.

Well, they might.

Or grassmen.

My God, they're very good city managers.

But here's a pool of money, and we can tap it that way.

And so we're in all the environment things.

Isn't that just a, as I told you, Goldwater is in on that?

Yeah.

But is there really much that they can do in the environment?

Well, isn't that a highly specialized field where you recycle?

And we do have a program for sending these guys back to school.

What in the world do they learn?

What do you need in science and environment?

Well, you have, in a typical iron city, you support the environment carefully.

I agree with every day that in the physical art city you have guys who are air pollution officers, for instance.

Well, and of course they can do that.

Sure.

That's true too.

And they have water control staff and they have different things that they can do of that sort.

But they have to go to school to pick up some courses that they haven't had.

I wouldn't get them.

And of course getting them into private enterprise, that's...

The white-collar worker has been laid off.

down there and has been laid off for the first time since the war.

That's where a lot of the productivity increases come from, not so much from the blue collar rolls and the white collar rolls.

That's why in terms of the, in terms of the, of the recession or down there, we're able to call it

Whereas the unemployment rate was higher in 61, 62, 63.

It did not affect this bunch at all.

That's right.

Because they weren't there at that time.

Well, they weren't there.

That's right.

We produced them all.

We produced many of the PhDs and so forth and so on.

Well, we've talked enough about that subject.

Anyway, the science advisory meeting tomorrow is my guest.

There he goes.

We'll meet at 4 o'clock in the cabin.

And Dr. Dave will arrange a little agenda.

Fletcher's not on the PSAC, is he?

He was here last week.

Fletcher is what?

The fellow who was pointing his hand.

I know he is.

He was on the PSAC.

He went off at the end of the year.

He was going to ask the attendees to meet him.

At least not the day he made it here tomorrow.

I wondered if he was here tomorrow or if it was five minutes before or five minutes after.

You just don't want to... Oh, I don't see him.

Sure.

Say hello to him.

We don't... We should have by the night these...

The clearances.

That's right.

Would you like to see Fletcher, if he's here before 5 o'clock?

Sure, sure.

He's been in Jamaica ever since he left here.

He's been in Jamaica.

He's been constantly in Jamaica.

I don't know where he got going, but he was at my college in Jamaica.

That's what he did all the time.

That's Jamaica with George.

That's Jamaica down in the Caribbean.

There we go.

Okay, I'll go to that.

Go ahead.

Well, I've heard you speak before.

That's all right, John.

I know you've heard me.

I wonder if we should talk about this international involvement in the space program and what we're talking about.

By the way, we've done it all, James.

Oh, do you?

I think so.

Well, Mr. President, you have urged that we get international involvement in the space program.

And by that, you've been often talking about, let's get an astronaut up there from a flying shuttle.

But that's been interpreted, to a large extent, by NASA as...

bringing foreign countries into the development of the space shuttle and other similar things, and that it has been interpreted to some extent as letting them pay 10% of the incremental cost of the space shuttle and giving them a piece of the action.

To the extent that we have developed a very significant technology here, which is all ours, it seems to some of us that we're risking giving that away for a pretty small amount of money, a couple hundred million dollars, and that that isn't worth a 10% involvement by them at this level.

Well, then don't do it.

I'm all for getting their astronauts up there and letting them walk around in a space lab or something like that where we get a lot of visibility.

But I wonder if, for a little bit of money, if we're not selling our parents for a mess of potty.

I see the button.

Bush, how are you working it out?

Well, along with Secretary Packer, you know what the...

Johnson.

We agreed that we would defend strongly the technologies that would go away, and two, that we would undermine the INGELSAT agreements, which is the communication satellite agreements.

And when the proposal was put forward at the recent meeting with the U.S., they turned it down because they felt they didn't like these two qualifications.

Things have essentially been broken off at this stage.

We could go back and look at the proposal, or they could come back to us and look at the proposal.

But at the moment, your desire is, President, to do something that is visibly international without giving away a bunch of symbolism.

Nothing more.

The document agreement with the Soviets, which you know about, is, I think, the kind of thing that you want, and it's coming along as well.

You may be interested in the point of information that we have arranged a document.

but they cannot with their present boosters get their spacecraft high enough in orbit to dock with us.

They have bigger boosters than we have.

As a matter of fact, they don't.

When did that happen?

Well, they have a bigger single chamber booster than we have.

There's a single chamber.

Ours is a cluster.

But ours is the biggest booster now?

Yes, it is.

And our Skylab, which will have the compatible docking mechanism, will fly in an orbit which they can't reach with their Soyuz spacecraft, with their Crestus.

Which is something that some people have been trying to do since they're up to their Crestus.

So NASA is now talking about flying one of the command modules, one of the left-over command modules in a lower orbit so that they can't dock with it.

But that, of course, has to be done.

As I understand it, they have very crude docking devices, and if we put them... That's correct.

Are we going to give them some docking information that is of real importance if we go through with this thing at a lower level?

Are they going to be able, for instance, to get a space platform that they could not otherwise assemble because they don't have sophisticated docking devices?

I don't think so, Peter.

I think we'll get it.

I just don't think it makes any difference.

I think it's very important to do that.

On this, I'm not too concerned about the, let me say it for your guidance that I'm getting back to our original discussion.

I'm extremely interested in keeping secrets.

I don't believe that as far as the Space Center is concerned, it's going to make a hell of a lot of difference whether they learn a lot about our technology.

The point is, we have what they can never have.

We have an enormous industrial plant, and with that great industrial plant, we're always going to be able to maintain some sort of advantage.

I believe not making a bad deal,

But whether it's, and I speak with ASD, you know, I think I'm sure the guard has said, you know, there, I'd be pretty, I'd be pretty proud of that.

So, you see what I mean?

This, I would, I would, to your,

My field is generally one of considerable tolerance in this field because I think the United States is a, we just got so much, we've got so many scientists, so much wealth, so much power and all the rest.

I agree with you.

I don't know.

I should agree with you.

I think that there are some worries in the general technology area.

I may have talked to you about that.

No.

I'm concerned about our balance of trade.

productivity.

And he knows that there's not a radio, a table model radio made in this country today.

They're all made in Japan and Hong Kong.

So that I understand completely.

I was really thinking in terms of two things.

One, nuclear and space.

In the nuclear area and in the space area,

Mr. President, we're talking about the common market which has as many people and has as big a gross national product as we do.

If we give them now our shuttle

let them join in the development of the shuttle which is the follow-on after the sst you can see 20 years down here they'll have just as big a leg up they could have just as big a leg up on the next generation of transports as we have and i i wonder if we should endanger that that common market can be a pretty stiff competitor if it really moves to a single

companies and both.

Because the high technology that you get out of these programs is really very valuable in the civilian side.

For example, new materials, which a large number of them produce, are extremely valuable for such things as health.

Let me put it this way.

You as the science advisor recall, remember that I'm not as

I've got a little secret here.

No, I really don't.

If you do it in a cold-blooded way, and whatever you're doing for cosmetics, do it for cosmetics, let's appear to be very liberal.

We can do that.

Science all loves you.

They want to hear it anyway, anyway.

We hope to have for you before spring is over a rather extensive look at the International Science Area so that you can have a good picture of it.

And we'll have a proposal that we suggest this.

The Soviets have been very reflective with their international youth conferences over what they were a few years ago.

How about your Emmy this summer, next fall, next winter, next spring?

I know there are various things, you have a lot of various groups, but some sort of an international science conference of some sort, where you invite the Soviet scientists and all the rest, covering all the fields.

Something we've been considering, or have you considered, is it something worth considering?

I don't know.

I put it this way, identically, our scientists love to go to the Silicon Union, you know, and gather around the bears.

I think it would be extremely effective to bring some of them here, many purposes here, as it always is, and that's what I am.

In their society, the scientist has a great story.

And the scientist and our engineer, let's put the two together.

And to the extent that we can get some of them here and expose them, not only to our science, but to our economy, that can only have a salutary effect.

Now, I'm sure, in the long term, it could be very effective.

Now, the number of Soviet people, Soviet, and I mean by Soviet, I don't know if we're Soviet, any questions in here would be interesting, the number that become,

He's relatively limited because of the exchange, you know, quid pro quo.

I'm trying to make a big play, a big one.

I don't know whether it's in the cards or not.

It's a weird discussion.

I'm in a really big play.

I have a lot of them over here.

And, uh, see, take them out to the gate, Kennedy.

Take them over to Houston.

That would be best beyond...

I go for the younger generation.

The old ones here, you can't do anything.

They're all D.K.

Sarton.

Young people, isn't a real show.

But have one where we bring the scientists together.

But a purely scientific meeting, no politics.

We're not going to have a lot of big darn discussion.

you know, nuclear arms and arms control and all that.

And this would fit in very well with other things that we may be done in the Soviet Union a year ahead.

I mean, even think of some way to bring scholars together, science engineers and so forth, from around the world.

I mean, it's not just science.

Let me say, I just think of the Soviet, the labs, it means a lot to them, and the Asians, the...

poor Africans just, you know, give it a bit, you know, go with that.

Just to say to Europeans and actually the Japanese,

I'm thinking of, let's think of a scientific conference for the, maybe you want to have a conference on the environment.

I don't know what this human environment should be on.

Maybe that is worth a damn.

And if it isn't, drop it.

We ought to bring our strengths and show our strengths.

Right.

If it isn't, drop it.

But if not, if it is good, bring a lot of people over and give them a chance.

When did the first skyline launch?

That is not bad space.

just connected with that for a long time.

Yeah, but the whole business of cooperation in space, cooperation in science, you know, exploring the new worlds together, the community of man, you know, and all that sort of business.

I just thought, man, I'd enjoy hanging out too in space.

Computers.

Yeah, they'd love that.

Science in the service of man.

Yeah, science in the service of man.

Space, computers, a little environment.

Yeah, that's good.

It's a good point.

Good.

Everybody's been squealing because there wasn't enough.

We're going to get plenty.

But how can you hire so many?

But the focusing is so important.

I don't need the children.

You know, I know how science works.

The scientists talked, and they said, you've just got to explore the unknown.

Man is looking for something else, science, that you want to look for.

So you cannot say, mere man cannot say to the scientists, who were the scientists, he's a god, go find this boy.

What you've got to say is what you find.

If there was force, it would be spacious force.

And then if your breakthrough was force, well, maybe this is force.

And even more to the point, I think,

is the place that I came from, which is called Telephone Labs, which has communications who have won two Nobel Prizes and have the highest respect for everybody in the scientific community.

There's nothing wrong with purpose in science.

It's how it's done and how it's carried through the accounts.

And what I'm trying to do at the moment with the number of people on my stand as part of the exact is to find some really focused points that we can come down with your endorsements on future days on this.

One of these, for example, is the whole energy treatment.

I think at the appropriate time, I might say, you know, here's an effort.

We need clean energy in the 1980s, and we're going to get it.

And it's possible to do that.

But in order to do it, it sets sort of a goal, clean energy for the 80s, for example.

Right.

But there are a number of other factors.

Tell me this.

Are we doing everything that you think reasonably could be done to be able to be some innovation?

At the moment, I think the effort is in a reasonable shape.

Of course, you can always pour more money into anything, but I don't think that the additional results would be worth the extra.

I will take a look.

It has such enormous possibilities in terms of our foreign...

the world, the food problem, our foreign policy.

I've asked a couple of times to have a study of the role of desalination in the Sinai Desert, and again, for the policing situation.

And there is a study on that, and it looks very good, not by using ABC nuclear energy, but by using oil.

They have enough.

Why not?

What is the difficulty?

I had once heard the way you could do it in a factory.

There you go.

So no pure desalination or not.

It's perfectly usable.

It's just a source of energy, however.

And in an area like the Negev where you have oil running out of your ears, so to speak, the guy was using a gallon of oil for a gallon of water.

But no one would break through.

They're still trying to do something other than just dehydrate their ears.

Oh, yes.

There are a number of techniques.

Most of them are using selectively permeable membranes so that the water flows through the membrane and the salt gets caught.

And there are various techniques of this kind.

Also, freezing is another technique that they use.

I don't understand.

How many other people would want to look at it and see if they think it ought to be done?

If they want to revise it?

Do you have an agricultural scientist in your commission?

No, we don't.

So I think you could have, you know, food supply that we're in the years ahead is enormously important.

I think there should be one.

You can add money soon.

I can't tell you.

Why don't you go, why not pick up that fellow that won the Nobel Prize growing corn or something?

I hope you mean the evolution.

Yeah.

Yes.

What do you think of it?

It might be an idea that the farm community might like it too.

We're adding an agricultural land.

We've got environmentalists and all that.

You know, this is the one area where the United States really is, by leaps and bounds, kept ahead of the rest of the world in agricultural production.

My God, it's fantastic.

Southeast Asia, Africa, and India, as you know, with food strikes.

Okay.

And even Vietnam.

And this fellow is a man who, I think, is going to be the chapter name of the news.

Sure.

Well...

We're going to use our little agenda and have them report to me, like, you know, what they thought they liked to talk about.

And that would be good for them.

Here's what we've done.

We've learned something.

We need to fix it with a little logic.

If you find that John or Russell, that's the thing I've got to show them.

I've got to get them in the park.

I'm very curious about the question you have.

I will not have a very man-to-man interview, right?

I think we have about five more minutes to do this, some of our meetings, as they go on.

So, for instance, if you don't want to do this, I'm not going to do it.

All right?

So, I don't want to give you a question, all right?

I'm just curious, and I understand the time.

I've already said I don't want to do this.

I'm going to do this on the weekend.

But the fight is, well, he likes men's shoes, you know.

It's a fine pose.

No, I don't know.

But they're, uh, but understand, no career in Australia is as important as a personal friend.

You need a personal ambassador.

Get rice on it.

The other guy can't go.

Why can't friends not go?

Uh, he can't do it.

Frank thinks that this might be a bad rap.

He just wants to be sure it's not a bad rap.

I got to get you a little couple of blunts.

I want Russell to know, though, that not anyone could I have done faster.

And people know that today or tomorrow, that's the thing.

So if he feels that it's not going to be considered, we'll do it.

Right.

All right.

He doesn't have to get married to have one.