Conversation 458-011

TapeTape 458StartThursday, February 25, 1971 at 5:44 PMEndThursday, February 25, 1971 at 6:30 PMTape start time02:57:43Tape end time03:43:57ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob");  Butterfield, Alexander P.;  White House operatorRecording deviceOval Office

On February 25, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Alexander P. Butterfield, and the White House operator met in the Oval Office of the White House from 5:44 pm to 6:30 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 458-011 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 458-011

Date: February 25, 1971
Time: 5:44 pm - 6:30 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman

     The President’s schedule
          -”Open Hour” meetings
                -Value
          -David M. Kennedy
          -Milton C. Rose
          -Kennedy
                -Department of State
                -Henry A. Kissinger
                -Value of meeting with the President
                      -Forthcoming trip to Far East
          -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew’s schedule
                -Radio/television correspondents’ dinner
                      -Hawaii
                -Gridiron Club
                      -Agnew’s attendance
                            -Rationale
                            -Skits
                      -Boycott
                            -Women
                      -Leslie T. (“Bob”) Hope
                      -The President’s attendance

                       -Skits
                       -Speech
                       -The President’s attendance
                              -As Vice President for Dwight D. Eisenhower
                       -Haldeman’s forthcoming conversation with the Vice President

     Stock market
          -Figures
          -Effect of Davis-Bacon Act
                -Arthur F. Burns
          -John B. Connally
          -The President’s position
                -Figures
                -Laos impact
                      -Burns

     Agnew’s schedule
         -Gridiron Club
               -Attendance
               -The press
               -The President’s attendance

     The President’s schedule
          -Bohemian Grove
               -100th anniversary
               -Attendance
                      -Women
               -Speech
               -Harvey Hancock
               -Secret Service
               -Cabinet
               -Connally’s attendance

     Wire service
          -The Vice President’s attention
          -Lyndon B. Johnson

     Baltimore Sun

     L. T. and Delores (Reade) Hope
           -Life magazine
           -New York Times

     Press
             -Letter to the editor
             -The President’s view
             -William P. Rogers
             -Staff attitude
             -White House public relations efforts
                   -Strategy
                          -Columnists
                          -Television networks
                          -Wire services
                          -National magazines

     Charles W. Colson
          -Ronald L. Ziegler
          -Robert H. Finch
          -Donald H. Rumsfeld
          -Role on White House staff
               -Compared to other staff
          -White House public relations
               -Jeb Stuart Magruder
               -Ziegler
               -Frederic V. Malek
               -John W. Dean, III
               -John D. Ehrlichman’s staff
                     -Edward L. Morgan
               -Dwight L. Chapin
               -Alexander P. Butterfield
          -White House public relations
               -Colson
               -Malek
               -Magruder
               -Dean

     Connally
         -Camp David visit

Butterfield entered at 6:01 pm

            -Birthday

     The President’s schedule
          -National Security Council [NSC] meeting
          -Open Door Hour
               -Frank J. Shakespeare
          -Wilbur D. Mills
               -Breakfast meeting

Butterfield left at an unknown time before 6:04 pm

[Haldeman talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 6:01 pm and 6:04
pm]

[Conversation No. 458-11A]

     Call to Chapin

[End of telephone conversation]

     The President’s schedule
          -Breakfast meetings
               -Burns
               -Elliot L. Richardson
               -George P. Shultz
               -Timing
               -Mills
               -Attendees
               -Timing
               -Ehrlichman
               -Timing
               -Location
               -Ziegler
               -Shakespeare
               -Connally
               -Topics to be discussed

                       -Welfare
            -Camp David
                  -The President
                  -Connally’s visit
                       -Length
            -Press conference
            -Trip
                  -Rochester
            -National conference

     The President’s speech in Williamsburg, Virginia
          -Judicial conference
          -Draft deadline
          -Length
                -The President’s view
                      -Compared to foreign policy speech

     Length of speeches
          -Foreign policy speech
          -[Thomas] Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars speech
          -Head of State dinners
                -Toasts
                     -Department of State
                     -Translations
                     -The President’s position

     The President’s schedule
          -Judicial conference
          -Farm dinner

     Voluntary Action dinner
          -Edwin D. Etherington
          -Ehrlichman
          -George W. Romney
          -Finch

     “A Salute to Agriculture”
          -Timing
          -Country fair

                  -Compared to President Johnson’s efforts
            -Carnival
            -Livestock
            -Dress
            -Invitations
            -4-H Club
            -Future Farmers of America
            -Possible events
            -Publicity
                  -Speeches
                         -Efficacy
                         -Clifford M. Hardin
                               -Briefing
                  -Photographs
                         -Eastman Kodak

     Iowa State Legislature
          -Invitation
          -Revenue sharing
          -Possible speech
                -President’s appearance
          -William L. Safire’s efforts

     President’s speeches
           -Speech writers
                 -Foreign policy speech
                       -Wording
                       -Safire
                 -Techniques
                 -Jokes
                 -Wording
                 -Rhetoric
           -Trips
                 -Need for prepared remarks
                 -Length of speeches

     Radio speech on foreign policy
          -Length
          -Topics

                  -Laos
                  -Vietnam
                  -Middle East
            -Efficacy
            -Use of radio
                  -President’s view
                        -Future use
                        -Benefits
                        -Past use
                  -Franklin D. Roosevelt
            -Air Force One
                  -Symbolism
            -Airports
            -Possible press conferences
                  -Regional briefing
                  -Local press
            -Public relations efforts
                  -Foreign policy
                  -Vietnam and Laos

     The President’s schedule
          -Private dinners
          -Upcoming events
                -Farm trip
                -Rochester
                -Judiciary conference
                -Newport, Rhode Island
                      -President’s remarks
          -Florida
                -Possible Presidential visit
                      -University
          -Forthcoming Head of State dinner
                -Ireland
          -Office press conference
                -March 19, 1971
                -Domestic policy
          -Work load
                -Changes
                -Head of State visits

                        -Arrival ceremonies
                        -Departure statements
                               -Television coverage
                        -Italian dinner
                               -Television coverage
            -Television coverage
                  -Apollo 14 dinner
                  -Ireland Head of State dinner
                        -Peter M. Flanigan
                               -Thelma C. (Ryan) (“Pat”) Nixon
                        -Benefits of television coverage
                        -Difficulties of television
            -State of the World
                  -Timing
            -Work load
            -Speeches
                  -Radio uses

The President and Haldeman left at 6:30 pm

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Well, sort of odds and ends, I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know what it really was.
I guess, apparently, this piece is of nothing.
Well, we had to clear it.
And actually, we had to go to a certain therapist for a while to be cleared up.
So we don't really know how.
I mean, how very good they are because you can do a hell of a lot more business just compressing
It's not a bad thing.
I had to spend more time with Dave Kennedy.
I had to spend more time with Bill Froese.
Over the sentence, well, they recommended you not have Kennedy in.
I put it in anyway because I just don't think you want him.
Who recommended it?
The state of North Florida.
Well, both state and his office felt you shouldn't see him before he went to choose.
And he asked after he came back, he requested, oh, of course he comes in.
And he must always come in.
I just think he's got to have a meaning that he can't send him off on a long trip like this.
And having asked to come in
And he won't ask very much.
You know, he's always been a good guy.
I took a lot of time with him.
You know, life started right on time.
And he said, we'll do this in five.
I'm 45.
We just took a good 40 minutes.
But we don't do it.
And also, you know, also that Bobby's my heart.
I know that you have spent a lot of time making it important and getting personal messages to everybody.
I understand that sort of thing.
That's kind of therapy, I believe, because he's a totally loyal, decent man and selfless.
And that's different from some people.
He's not bushy.
That's different from some people.
And God damn it, Josh played this whole game so nicely.
His hand was kind of hard for him.
over there how uh should we get a problem with your vice president well he doesn't want you to do anything but he is as i told you he's not doing radio tv correspondence today he's going to be in hawaii that day addressing the county officials which is fine and uh do i have to go
We don't have him.
That's not a problem.
I wouldn't get rid of him without him.
The other, the real problem is that we don't have him.
He is, if he's told he has to go, he'll go.
He won't refuse the president's request.
But he has, the way he's put it now is that he has serious personal convictions about attending the dinner and wants to be excused.
And, you know, because he doesn't like it.
It's apparently, for one thing, he's found out the main skid is going to be back the night, which is about the vice president, and he doesn't want to sit through it.
Do you see some sense?
It seems to me that's exactly why he ought to be there.
He said, well, I'll put her up there.
Then he is not, I guess.
But do you see that sense of commitment around it?
And Bob, then you could have been there and accepted the crap I had to sit through.
I know.
They tore me to pieces.
And that's, that's where you gain with those people who are sitting through it.
It isn't any fun, but nobody, you know, going for fun, you know.
Well, I kind of agree, yeah.
Well, I wouldn't mind that, except that the left wing has got a big Boycott the Gridiron Club thing going.
And I hate to have them succeed.
Uh, women's lib.
Oh, shit.
He said, women's lib?
The women's lib are boycott card, card hack card.
The press that don't belong to the gridiron, about 250 of them, started a movement urging people to boycott the gridiron because they don't permit women.
But they really want to see it.
It's because they don't permit them.
Because only a few of the press guys belong to the gridiron, very exclusive.
So there's a flap over the thing.
He will go if he has to, but he just very much doesn't want to go.
And the reason I raised it against you is that, well, you know, said that he really should, that he may raise it.
He may come back to you.
I think it's going to raise money.
I think it's going to raise money.
But it's not going to get through the vote.
Yeah.
Yeah, the president and the vice president refused to go through, especially in the year one.
I think he's just got to face the music on it.
You know, it's only a few minutes that will be, and it will be out of my calendar.
Bob Hope's out there.
Went all through the stuff with the jitters and went around, you know, nagging jokes.
He knows he's...
I don't know.
He needs somebody to get that damn sensitivity leveled up a bit.
Are you suggesting that I, are you implying maybe I should go?
Oh, absolutely not.
I'll go.
No, sir, will change my schedule.
No, sir.
Oh, no.
Under no circumstances.
I've been totally, I don't feel like I should change my mind, because then they're forcing me.
Is there any question on that?
The only thing I'm asking is how, you know, my explanation is, and I have one, is to go back and say that, yes, he should go, that it's important that he be there.
So she would go this year, and I'll go next year, and she'd skip it next year, you know?
You know, make a hell of a thing of a piece from there, especially with the flack about trying to get people.
Who the hell tells them about this skit?
They're not supposed to tell them about the skits.
I don't know.
Apparently it's not that.
The main skit's going to be the same.
So they probably find it and make it right there.
He gets to make a little talk too, you know, at the end.
He gets to the end, he accomplishes it.
He effected his own.
I tried to ask other at all times, and he said it came.
I told him that he feels exactly as I had felt for eight years.
I told him I hated it every year.
A nice and horrible thing.
One of those eight years.
But I felt that going was a plus.
You know, and particularly because
in making the last speech representing the administration, responding to the toast of the president.
I take it in regard that I think that next year he should not, that next year I will do it.
I don't think I'll call him and talk to him about it.
Something that I shouldn't get into that pandemic.
He can't be an adult enough to do it.
stock market recovered from its declines back up, went up 6 today.
So it's up to $8.82 again, and I went around on 16 million shares.
So it had that sell-off for a few days, and got dropped from where it was, it was up to $8.88, almost $8.91, $8.87, and it was one of the main things in the system.
I got one of the benefits and they were spending about nine points one day and it was all hard work, no question about it.
But you know, I think it was 05, 11, and 2 is 13.
The last three days, it's gone to 13.
I'm not too worried about it.
I don't want it to goose out too fast here.
But it's good to have an 888.
You can have a dang in that.
88, Joseph.
888, 198.
888, 198.
But it shows there's still plenty of stuff.
I mean, when you get a song, the way that you have your song on, and it starts out, you know, the end of it, the bullshit, to the effect that it was because of louse.
Somebody played that, didn't they?
Yeah, that was one thing they had.
That was kind of an Arnie Burns kind of talk.
He didn't say that, but it was in the Monday Diggers, because of louse.
Now, Christ, they fired him, and it had nothing to do with it at all.
We're too active on this, anything like this.
And he shouldn't put as many on this.
There are a few things we've done.
We haven't done much of it.
We put Dan a little bit in.
Very little, but he's required to do it.
I think it's also, I think it's an advantage for him.
Like, just over all this, he's gotta be the last speaker to get more than he loses, that's for sure.
But it's important for him to build himself with that group of people.
In this case, it's a waste of time for you.
Absolute waste of time.
The bachelors all hate my guts anyway, so I don't have anything to do with it.
Those people are no good, Bob.
They really aren't.
You know who they are.
The members are no good.
The members are a bunch of people of the TPS, sir, and assholes, too.
They're the American elite.
Yeah.
They're always right-wingers.
You know that.
I know those cocksuckers.
I'm not going to worry about it.
I may not even go next year.
I really don't.
I may not go next year.
It just may be that the Rear Director should be the kick in the ass.
Why should we be...
The Rear Director should help out and all that stuff.
It's just...
People, what are they going to do on the Bohemian Grove?
Are they going to do it this year?
I feel like it's their 50th anniversary, 100, or 100, is that it?
The 100th anniversary of the Grove.
I think that they're going to have women of all things.
They looked at the road for just one night, or for one night or two.
I'll tell you what to do is to check on the media what it is.
And I said, they do have other sorts, but I will not talk.
That's the one thing I will not do.
I don't want to go make a speech.
My last speech at the Grove was a bit of a night.
I want to try to have them stop it.
Rather than going to the Grove on their happy anniversary, I can just stop in at the club on one of their nights, you know.
And I'm not that pushy, but Harvey Hancock, who we checked, going to the Grove is a flu-perfect name, and he asked for that, you know, the damn Secret Service and all that crap.
I need more time.
Dream to go, because people love to go, you know.
And I haven't.
I haven't looked you over.
I'd like to see what members of the cabinet have done there.
They had a good representation last year.
They work on it.
The Member Connelly, is he going?
I see that he'd have to go.
And he'd be good at it too.
So members, they do a pretty good job of cutting each other off and making sure that let's forget about them.
I did cross-examines with one of them.
Yeah, he's right.
You should worry about him.
You've got to worry about him.
He really must be wrong.
And he reads all the navigate version things.
He does.
He reads the wire stuff.
He doesn't have a ticker in his office, but they pulled the stuff off for him.
He looks at it.
Lieutenant, this case is over, son.
I'm sorry.
Well, you know, the hoax is interesting.
You know, Bob is in this case.
Dolores Holmes says, I will never read live magazine again.
She says, I'll never read the New York Times again because of the New York Times magazine job.
Even so, they lied.
That's how old she is.
She will never forgive.
She's got a reason for it, definitely.
I, I applied for anybody to jump off of, I, uh, just in order to check stuff.
Is that, and I, uh, there's just no way to get, you know what I'm saying?
Sometimes I, I, I, I almost consider getting on this case that I'm making.
I mean, I've been, I've never been.
For me, the right letter to get it.
I just wish I had thought of it a little sooner on my own.
You know, I mean, what you did and said, the president, he didn't, he didn't want to, you know, you know, the hell was the point of that, you know, these bastards.
You know, you've got to fight these press people.
I, I just, there's one thing I don't agree with Rogers on, I, in terms of, I think he's got great judgment on them, you know, generally, but he tends to think that, well, they're not so bad, and are, you know, great.
And they aren't better.
I don't get it.
It's just the fact that it's just, you know, you've got to be, what you're doing, you can't do anything about it.
I don't know.
Are we wrong?
Are we making a lot of our money off of that?
That's not what I mean.
About the bill, people said, you know, some of the White House staff, you're really too sensitive about the press thing.
So I don't think that's right.
He said they couldn't do that.
And he said, we're doing very well.
Well, maybe he's talking about the fact that we raised hell with him back in the time because of the lousy stories he wrote about the mistake the department says about the White House.
But you've got to be sensitive to it.
You can't just pretend it isn't better.
I know.
And our sensitivity has paid off.
You can't be personally sensitive as you are.
You can't put it under your skin.
But you've got to be professionally sensitive to it and do what you can by positive and negative to each to try and make it better.
Stop being nice to her.
Our actions have helped some.
I sure do.
Some of them have.
Some have probably been counterproductive.
She would have done something to her.
I'm sure we have.
I don't know why.
I don't know.
I don't think, I think one thing that has not been too productive is to go after columnists.
I don't think they matter.
I think our, I think our major failure in this field has been not to rifle shot, and now we're doing that.
We're the three networks, the two wire services, and at a much lower level than a couple of those magazines.
Yeah, screw it all.
Don't leave it there.
I was glad to hear that Colson's meat is sort of thicker.
It's good.
I think about Colson's heart pain, I guess, rather than his death.
Frankly, it's distinguished from some of our other people here, isn't it?
Like Mitch, and so on and so forth.
Goddamn, Bob, the beauty of coasts.
You tell us something, he does it.
Huh?
He does it.
Now, why can't I handle it if other people just do something when I tell them?
Well, we've got, you know, we've got a bunch that did it.
We've got, I suppose, you know, the, you know, Magruder, Ziegler.
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah.
Ballard, Dean, some of that crew that we've assembled are people who do do something.
And some of John's crew.
Morgan.
Mark.
Taylor.
They don't have that shit.
Alex.
They're probably more than I realize.
I ought to know.
I just told you, I thought I wanted about two more like Colson or .
I don't call him.
I just don't want to call him every time.
Well, there's Malakas, another one of him.
Where did he call her?
I don't believe you.
Well, all of the men in the hooters, too.
Yeah.
All of us.
And they would never believe anything he called them in charge of.
Then he wrote, they're not the kind of people that need to be charged.
They just like to do a good job.
It's the ones that sit around doing that.
They always expect the boss to be twice as impressive to appreciate.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
And so is John Dean.
John Dean is superb.
He's another one of these quiet guys that just relentlessly gets it done.
Is that right?
He doesn't have to take any therapy.
He doesn't create any problems.
He doesn't come up with any excuses.
This is March.
No, this is the 25th of February.
March is here.
The economy is going up there, which is good.
Yeah, he's going up, I think he's going up tomorrow.
Does he have a million?
That's his birthday, so.
Alex, regarding this, uh, day tomorrow, reminding the NSC it's gonna take more than an hour and fifteen minutes.
Shakespeare... ...shut in at the end of the open door hour in case we do another incident.
Well, we're just trying to do our best.
Now, that's your therapy dog.
There's no reason for me to see Shakespeare.
I've seen him.
Is it after every trip now that I've been quiet?
No, not every trip.
Now, he's on trips all the time.
Well, I know I haven't done anything.
He just, well, I mean, let him attend the NSC meeting.
That's not good.
Yeah.
I know he needs to, like, just let him attend the NSCD.
If you've got any time, if it ends before 12, bring him in.
If he doesn't, just say, gee, sir, if we just didn't get time today, we'll have to start something.
You understand, I wanted to know this.
I want people to get around the government that he's in here.
But I've been curious if any of you have a report to me that I won't get from some other source.
Because he's a, he's a damn hard to follow.
I've got to, I've got to just know something.
All right.
Uh, is what set for 9?
Well, that's what I was going to ask you about.
It's not a chance for breakfast at 8 or 9.
We're setting it for 9 or 9.30.
Well, it might be a good idea.
It might be a good idea.
8 o'clock.
8 o'clock.
8 o'clock.
8 o'clock.
What time?
Who's coming?
What do you think?
Should we make it at 8?
He goes, wait a minute, let's see about the time.
Push it to 10.
For breakfast now.
About negative 30 minutes for breakfast.
Downstairs.
Downstairs.
Sit in now.
Push it down.
Just let him wander in later.
Don't have him sitting at the table.
Which house?
City.
Okay.
He was going to sit in front of me and just walk in and sit down.
But I don't think he wanted to sit in front of me.
I thought it was like we were abusing him for that.
Ron should feel free to walk in on a thing when he's not a part of it.
That's no problem.
Let's sit in.
I think the breakfast idea is a good idea one of these people wants.
Then that son of a bitch has had it.
It's all he's got to do.
Oh, no.
What the hell?
Rachel's anxiety.
Oh, that Shakespeare.
Oh, listen.
Why don't they have Conley?
Have they considered that?
This is not welfare.
All right.
You're right.
You're right, Tommy.
But for you, it's kind of an awful heavy job.
I'm sorry.
That's enough.
That's enough.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
All right.
We're good.
It kind of gets away with it.
That's...
I guess that's what I hear.
And the way it's done, you can get away with it.
Yeah, but I'm taking a lot more of it.
Perfect, Tommy.
Now, there are other people in there, you can tell me.
I'm gonna put some other people in here.
I don't know if they're out for the campaign or not.
I don't know, I'm sorry.
It's nice, it's Thursday Saturday night.
He's gonna stay out of both nights, isn't he?
I think so.
Right, and then it should, you know, rain, and then the iron, and then some iron seeps out from the door.
Let me see if I get you right on both of these.
I'm not just trying to get back at him, but I can't take it that night.
Sure, but...
I'm going to pull the beef spot, but, uh... We should, uh... Why do you think that he, uh...
That's what I'll tell you.
This is on air now.
The editionary thing is Williamsburg.
Williamsburg.
And that speech was being prepared when I was yesterday.
I'll have to see it Friday or, I mean, when I get back from Rochester.
I've got it.
I've got a little work on it.
Cut it down 20 minutes.
I don't want any speech longer than 20 minutes.
That was the only thing.
If I was talking about this far false speech, it was five minutes too long.
I think he's also a rather good trademark.
He's got a good 20 minute speech.
And also, like in the Wilson thing, it's 10 minutes.
You see, I've been, and also I keep the toaster all the way short.
You know, I've got to go on and on and on.
But he's the, they expect him to, they go too long.
So they're all, those toasters are, they just, you can't really get it.
It's really bad, talking into a cop, but isn't the state supposed to handle us?
The state, in protocol, should work with the guy and his staff on the end of the discussion right here at the White House to do a brief discussion.
The president is very brief, that's right.
The president will talk three or four minutes.
That's right.
Well, actually, what you've been really saying is that it has to be transferred.
It must be a total of five minutes.
In other words, two and a half.
In other words, I hold the toast for five minutes at a maximum, and then return.
Five minutes is good, but that is when people like ten minutes of yak yak.
And that's all.
But if it goes 20 minutes, it's too much.
And they all go on.
All right, let's get out of here.
The Williamsburg thing.
When's the farm off dinner?
Farm dinner?
What the hell is it got to do with dinner?
Well, Ed Burrington said it was dinner.
Ed Burrington, 23rd.
That's the voluntary action.
Oh, I remember you wanted Everington.
Everington's, Romney's, Ed Burlington's, Mitch's.
This was the first time we could get those people together.
The other agriculture dinner is May 7th, Agriculture Day.
How about cranking a big thing up on that with maybe a big agriculture display on the lawn?
Sure.
How about a fair?
That's what we're talking about.
How about a fair?
Johnson did a county fair.
This was a midway deal with a lot of honky tonk.
What we're talking about is a real county fair with livestock.
Oh, did he have a county fair with a carnival?
Not that one.
It wasn't an agricultural county.
It was a carnival.
He had a carnival.
What we do is not the carnival thing, but just the .
Well, have the prize sheep and hogs and things like that.
You'll need to get the four-inch club, grand prize-winning black stock that's on display at our White House.
A real investor.
Sure.
And agricultural machinery that has to have the dinner out in the lawn.
Or put up a huge marquee in here.
We can do it in the roast oven.
I think what we ought to do is have the dinner so they don't have to come
They'd rather be black-tied.
They were black-tied.
I think the farm people would like black-tied.
I think so too.
I think that it's a bigger compliment to them than hell with having a farm.
Where are their wives?
People who come to the dinner would be a different bunch than the people you have during the day at the exhibit out here and all that.
And so forth.
And that's what you do the daytime thing.
You tie it to the kids for each future farmer and all that.
Just flood the gaps.
Demonstrations of, you know, sheep shearing, or cow moaning, or something like that.
Is it your view that all these trips, you're driving right now, that I should do more or less?
I don't know.
I mean, lower trips or more walks?
Or less walks off your trips?
I think you could do the trips, but not do very much.
You don't think I have to do much walking?
I think you just muddle.
Is that right?
Yes, sir.
So that's enough.
Well, I hope so.
I'd be glad to.
I think that we might be glad not to be talking about it.
It doesn't matter.
Do English.
It's really the question of coming in that big old airplane.
But what they don't use the press to have, what do the presidents say, and all of that, what's the question?
But you're in a slow position.
And Martin and the, you know, on the farm trip, our guys go out and brief him on what he said.
And on the Rochester trip, our guys go out and brief him on what he said.
And I said, listen, you say that he has kind of left out other things, but we'll do some, some picture stuff, you know, that he's going to Kodak deal or something.
where they have a redevelopment thing that they're working on for Rochester.
I don't think you want to get into a big thing trying to pull off speeches.
There is one proposal that may work, that might be worthwhile, but I don't think there's time to do it right now.
We want to just figure a simple, quick way to do it.
But it's the Iowa State Legislature
invited you to address the legislature and the urge will come in right now the legislature has endorsed revenue sharing and it has won some sort of award as the best small state legislature in the country and uh because this is not a bad thing that would be a nice thing get me a 15-minute speech a 15-minute redo uh maybe put a sapphire on
Well, they can pick up what I've tried to say.
I mean, the key lines.
One thing, Bob, if you will tell, I guess I've been arrested.
It may not work out, but I've been arrested.
No, I'd like to do the legislature.
I think it's a great idea to appear in state legislation.
That's a whole other compliment than that.
You know, that would really tear the place up.
And I'll tell them, I believe, the state government, what we are doing.
This is an irrevocable meeting.
That's a chance to release it symbolically.
The problem today, the problem with it is it may override the farm story.
That's all right.
But the farmers will still get the farm story.
No, there are two stories there.
Let's do it.
I don't agree with it.
And I don't think it's the right time.
No, you didn't.
and sapphires, our people seem still to be, I think they are too intellectual to recognize the necessity for repeating a good line once you have a good line.
Sapphire giving an art and this radio thing changed the new generation of peace thing.
The line basically has, has been only when you state it this way, and I had lived it differently, to enjoy, so that Americans can enjoy what they have not had in this century, a full generation of peace.
You just have to accept that we want a full generation of peace.
You see, it doesn't relate to anything.
I know Sapphire doesn't.
I know why he didn't do it.
He wanted to wrap it in a different way.
And all the people say that I keep repeating the same thing.
God damn it, Bob.
They've got to keep putting the damn thing down the same way.
Do you agree or not?
Yes.
No, I do.
Have you talked to them about this?
Yes.
What is the answer today?
They say, they say they do.
See, they think they already began it.
They put the full generation piece back in.
You've got to put it in exactly the way it's set.
Just exactly the same way.
Repeat it.
And let me tell you the whole thing in a very different way, but in terms of jokes.
You know, Mark didn't even know about how he said it.
He said, you know, one thing about a joke, it says every word
It must be settled.
And the timing must be right before it doesn't come on.
If you miss a word, you make me blow the joke.
He said, like, he said, I'd like to see the smoke of the pot that I sat on, or something like that.
But he says, and I said, I'd like to see them use the pot that I smoked, or something like that.
But then he repeated, you know, and everything.
But the point of what I mean is the same is true, but it's quite a different way in terms of rhetoric.
You've got to repeat mine until they get a god damn sick of it.
You're never going to get used to repeating that.
They can't repeat that line.
What does it make America great enough?
What government did for people, but for what people did for themselves.
The press was sick of it.
Our people were sick of it.
The audiences loved it.
And finally, it was used, and it gets through.
I just feel, I just feel, you must hammer everybody.
We get a good line, repeated.
But getting back to this, if I could take more trips, and frankly do less, and wait for the current, I just, I just gotta, I think you just gotta remember that when I get up just to talk,
Everybody expects me to, you know, say something brilliant, so I have to prepare something.
And I don't, if you can figure out ways that I can get up and talk, it's, I'm preparing, I'm going.
I think we can't have these things that, other than your, you know, maybe it's ten minutes, could you say that?
Fifteen hundred words.
The best thing about saying ten minutes is it gives you a hundred words.
And you'll agree that that radio thing today was a hell of a lot better for being sharp than if I had gone as it was.
I cut out approximately, I just checked on it, I cut out approximately 800 words out of it, which would have made it around about 80 minutes longer.
And I said, no, just cut it out.
Let you breathe.
Yeah, and I think it could have been, wouldn't have hurt a bit to be a little shorter, or even smaller.
Or even smaller, 20 minutes.
Street drivers have a hell of a time to get these jobs.
It was, he covered enough ground that there was a reason for it to have some ground.
Yeah, it's around different subjects.
Well, you can't cover the state of the world.
It couldn't be less than 20 minutes, and they say they haven't done justice.
Yes, I can.
See, that was right.
I understand that.
And you had to hit Laos and Vietnam.
Laos, Vietnam, I mean, it's terrible.
I don't know if we have, like, two or three million people across the Pacific Ocean.
Pretty big audience.
You know, you just have to think of it.
And, you know, it's a damn good way to get out and do something without, plus there's big chunks that will be replayed, you know, all through the day on radio.
And they'll have to use a chunk of it tonight.
They'll use a couple minutes.
That might be the right one.
The radio delivery lets itself to that kind of thing.
You can read fast, get over with, you know, and it comes over well.
And that's why I think we might just find a few other things to do on radio.
You know, we want to remember that the radio thing we did in the campaign, I was just a candidate then.
But, you know, the president can fart, and everybody is going to listen.
You know?
Anything.
Call.
Spend.
And I think we, I can already do it in the county.
We bought 15 minutes of time on one network once in a while.
We bought 10.
This thing keeps getting every radio.
And you know, it's so easy for me.
I just get in there.
I didn't spend more than an hour looking over that text after it was finished.
Marking it up, thinking, hurry in.
But Jesus, how easy it was for Roosevelt.
No makeup, no lights, no nothing.
You don't have to worry about anything.
Just go around.
Just sit there at the desk and read a journal.
And bang, there it goes.
And for those that heard it, it gets across the point.
And they're following it.
Because of lack of knowledge.
In fact, they were saying, perhaps if I understand it, you just have me go out
But maybe what we're really talking about is the symbolism of just the man.
I just don't see the great part of Air 41 going into town, sitting and meeting the people, not talking.
I think if you haven't talked to the airport security, greet the crowd, go ahead and see.
I think that's a horrible picture of everyone standing there shouting in that way.
I wouldn't agree.
I think one of the best ways to do this would be to run the car by the lens, you know, do just beauty blanks and just do a few little events, right?
There'll be people as you arrive downtown going in the building or wherever you're going to listen.
So, we'll get it.
We need Bob to know about every press conference and everything else in this church.
How about meeting with the local press?
Well, we're having the, the, since I tested, we'll have the regional briefing.
Yeah.
And you wrap that up, and then we have the local press come sit, come to a session, sit in reception, shake hands, and then...
I'm sure if you look at all the press today now, we're still just do the police border policy.
That's right, we're gonna do it.
It seems to me that's what you, that was you before.
They wanted them, and everybody else spent all their time in Vietnam, but that's all right.
We've done a damn good story in Vietnam.
Might as well get our story across, huh?
How many percent?
We're running out of time for, I don't think we'll bother with those private dinners this week.
We could have one next week, couldn't we?
Right.
Yes.
What group did we have?
What group did we have?
We've done lots of good, fun part of programming.
The farm trip, Rochester, the judiciary, Newport, that'll be a little bit too.
See, those graduations should be a little pinched, because that'll be the best story of the week.
And next week, we've got to get a little remark for that, too, of course.
I want to be sure that that's put on a real dog, you know what I mean?
I've got to do something for it, and I'll show you what I can do.
Get me to go...
University of Florida State.
You can wait a little bit, though.
Yeah, I agree.
Yeah, I like this Irish thing, the way that's coming off.
And then on the 19th, we'll do an office press conference, right?
And make that a domestic policy, or just general.
No, domestic.
I just never made this work, making it domestic.
But maybe I could do more in the address.
If you don't try to do so much, if I don't have to try to have you know everything, you can concentrate on one thing.
If I do just a little bit more, it's all right.
Because I think it's like, if you don't try to do so much, it's easier to do.
You see, I feel a little bit like I'm scared.
You can feel it.
Well, I can say it.
because I don't have to do so.
Like, if I don't have to do it, it turns me.
I mean, like, going out, one thing we knock on is that jackass, and then having a departure statement.
We don't do a departure statement.
Well, why don't we have a departure statement about a user?
All right.
You know what I mean?
You know what I'm saying?
You can reduce a little of that.
Yeah, they do now, especially on the major ones.
Actually, we'll get better projects to be around us than we used to get.
Why is that?
No.
They're damn awesome.
They're really interesting.
And next week, also, on Tuesday night, is the Italian dinner.
It's on TV.
The Italian business.
What are they going to put it on?
Do they agree to watch videos?
I don't know.
They're still working on putting it together.
The whole thing got a very good play, didn't it?
The Irish?
What was landing on the side of the mountain there?
Just a hill?
Yeah, just a hill.
Well, anyway, we just want it not to be TV.
That's the point of all his problems.
to have a problem at those points it's a problem it's a problem staging something for a live audience and doing it on tv tv's a different thing you're under less than perfect conditions
Just a second.
I don't have to worry about going to the State of the World at 9 o'clock.
But we do enough, you know.
These things are going on.
Particularly if you try to do them well, then you just must not do too many.
I feel that we're wise to rack it up.
These guys were 52.
And I'm kind of curious.
This radio thing is an awfully good thing to use this for.
Now, it started off with this, and you can do something else on radio.
And a great radio address.
The president addressed the nation.
Let me tell you something.
All this bullshit about the .
All the bullshit about the .
Thank you.