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Conversation 464-001

TapeTape 464StartMonday, March 8, 1971 at 12:06 PMEndMonday, March 8, 1971 at 1:08 PMTape start time00:01:01Tape end time00:04:00ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob");  Kinsley, Daniel T.;  Horton, Bill;  Malek, Frederic V.Recording deviceOval Office
AudioNARA Description

On March 8, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Daniel T. Kinsley, Bill Horton, and Frederic V. Malek met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:06 pm and 1:08 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 464-001 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 464-1

Date: March 8, 1971
Time: Unknown between 12:06 pm and 1:08 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman, Daniel T. Kingsley, Bill Horton, and Frederic
V. Malek
[Recording begins while the conversation is in progress; discontinuities appear in the original
recording]

     White House staff
          -An unknown man
                -Clark MacGregor
                -John D. Ehrlichman
                -Henry A. Kissinger
          -John W. Dean, III
          -Malek’s role
          -Charles W. Colson
          -William E. Timmons
          -Harry S. Dent
                -Role
          -Timmons
          -Malek’s role
                -Review of positions
          -An unknown man [George P. Shultz?]
                -Richard P. Nathan
                -Dr. James R. Schlesinger
                -Donald B. Rice

Recording was cut off at an unknown time before 1:08 pm
Transcript (AI-Generated)

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He was in a different category.
He isn't the greatest German, but he was in a different category.
That's right.
That's right.
But I would put, uh, the people I've named in that group.
John Dean, sure as hell goes in that group.
There's no question about it.
Dean is a health person, and we're not using him adequately, which is another thing.
That's what Fred's poking around.
I'd like to see the names of the eight guys that you've really got.
I've really got them.
I know that Colton's got it.
I know that, uh,
I have a couple of guys that I think have got it.
Some have got it in different ways.
Of course, I mean, some have it down one way, others have it the other way.
Well, like Timmons.
Timmons has got it in his own way.
You can't use him across the board.
Dan is another one that's damn good in a particular area.
And he is, that's all.
You can't put boys in that league.
No, well, I would put general political artists in.
That's right.
Well, there was a few exceptions you could, or maybe not northeastern, but you can midwest.
But he's still, he's the kind of guy you're talking about.
That's right.
He's a goer.
And yet we've got him sanctioned.
We are quite injured.
And he's right.
We're going below that because...
They had to guide it below, push the guys above.
They pushed them above, and also come 73, some of these guys had been .
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Very good.
Has he met good people?
Well, he's got Nathan, and he's got Schlesinger, and he's got Rice, who are essentially his deputies.
Of course, he's losing Schlesinger.
That's not very good about him.
We got him.
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