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They're going to want to support them, right?

That's right, that's right.

So those who are deeply concerned about the Middle East, they are the ones who should be supporting you the strongest.

Right, right.

But some of them haven't.

You know, well, Harry, I appreciate this, but I just want you to get to the other thing.

I understand.

I appreciate that.

We'll fight a few battles together.

Fine.

I've just got a, I've got a finance meeting on a trade matter on this goddamn cypress problem of the EEC.

I'm hearing a pesticide in the anemone.

This thing's kissed through this.

So, I think I'll keep it under the tarp.

Everyone, just tell me how you use this.

All right, Mr. Judson, he looks at it from the standpoint of Josh.

This is a traumatic, god damn cold.

It's like a loss of what we have.

Well, okay, all right, Dr. Sager, sit down, sit down.

Start to keep your weight, you got it.

They don't leave our line, go to the bathroom these days.

That's a hell of a number.

Thank you very much.

That's where he got the bottle of sand from.

Jack, the tax man.

He didn't even write it off.

Coffee or tea?

I like tea.

Tea is not bad.

Makes a pretty good tea here.

Well, I, uh, I was, uh, I wanted to talk to Jack there.

He's the man on the boat today.

I understand.

It's, uh...

It's a very tight one.

How tight is it, Mr. President?

We think it's tight, Mr. President.

It depends if he's still on the wall.

Yes.

He's one of the best counters in the play.

He knows how to count them.

From his own state legislature, this is...

I was asked by the press yesterday how I thought it was going to go.

I said I wouldn't bet anything on it.

I think it's going to be very close.

And there are some that haven't announced their decision.

I think there are a lot of those.

Margaret Chase Smith and Senator Gambrell, the appointed successor to Senator Russell, are the only two, as far as I know, who have not given an indication of how they will vote.

How many?

Four.

Gambrell is one of those.

Scoop Jackson was on a visit with Gambrell this morning.

An interesting thing, Mr. President, John Sherman Cooper was a close friend of Gambrell's father.

They were law school classmates and they were friends in our association activity.

I knew you did, sir.

And John Sherman Cooper told me yesterday that he said it kind of makes me feel a little strange to have the son of one of my best friends in here as a senator.

Yeah, isn't that interesting?

But Senator Cooper told me that Senator Jackson, but Senator Gambrell was

about the issue and it wasn't decided in his mind that Senator Jackson was going to be visiting with.

Well, Jack, I'm not going to talk straight.

In terms of this situation, I mean, you've studied these things, as you always do.

You've studied the apology, you've studied the comments, you've studied the effects.

The project will not go forward with any programs that indicate ecological problems.

Economically, this is a situation that no one knows.

I have never heard in time about this line of commerce.

DC-6 is across the country, across the Atlantic, and we all wonder whether the British column is going to make it.

And, uh, so, eventually, both will be gone.

So I don't know.

I believe the economics are right.

I mean, it will work out.

The other problem is, of course, the barrier to the children's service and the huge government participation and subsequent arrest, which brings me to the key point I'd like to make, that the United States

We should not drop out of any competition in a breakthrough in knowledge and exploring the unknown.

That's one of the reasons I support the space program.

I don't get one damn lot of space jobs, so I'm not one of those space cadet types.

But I support it because, whether you did the space program or just did it, you have to stand up for space.

One part of the nuclear experiment is the creation of the satellites, you know, and it's on the weather information.

but the whole computer technology space.

And now that's one of the two barriers that we need to work on, so we can work on it.

But unless the case is here, there may just be, I don't know, very true knowledge, there's some kind of rank, but I do know that there's the United States to drop off the race.

Drop off or...

whether for any reason, which is going to be run.

And to accept a second position, I think, is very detrimental to the national interest in our position in the world, in our position, frankly, with ourselves.

It's really that reason, which I know you can understand, which I think is making broader change.

The idea that my study of history, if you look at the great ebbs and flows of history, when nations lose their will to compete, to explore,

later on the French came along, later on the British came along, and finally the Americans.

And so now that we are number one in everything, it doesn't mean we've got to respect every race.

It does, it seems to me, mean that in an area where we have been superior for so many years, we should go, it seems to me, forward.

Is there anybody on the other side to give a line of pair to Jordan?

Senator Jordan is absent, but he will not.

Everett Jordan, you know, is still recuperating from cancer.

He will not pair, Mr. President.

Jordan will not pair.

Jordan will not pair, but if Jordan were here, Jordan would vote against.

So there's a benefit to us that he will not pair.

But does he have a choice of not letting somebody pair with him here?

I don't think he does.

Well, yes, he does.

A live pair has got to be... Well, a live pair is determined by the thought of his presence.

If I...

If not, I can examine that.

That has not been my understanding.

I think you have to get the approval to ask the senator.

I don't doubt that.

Well, that's something I think you'd better check out because this is the first time I've ever thought that an absent senator could say whether or not a present senator is a pair of them.

Well, if the absent senator, for example, refuses to declare how he will vote, then there's no opportunity for parents.

Well, that's right.

Yes, Jack.

Well, we'll be sure to cover that base.

And Mr. President, I would think that

We're unable to persuade Senator Miller to give us a live pair with Senator Monk, but Senator Hanson would be the most likely candidate.

Yeah.

Will you talk to him?

Yes, sir, I will.

I know what I missed.

I know a part of it was the spreadsheet.

The main thing we want is the economy of next year.

We want the war over next year.

So this could help you with this, I understand.

Well, I tried to be, because, you know, no worries I have for nothing compared to you at all.

I've been trying to be more of an understanding person.

And I've been doing the same skills that I'm doing here.

Well, I appreciate your concern.

Well, I... All right.

And I know...

I know that.

Thank you.

This was... That goes into the other office.

Thank you, sir.

Cooper is the lay of the animal that will have to die without a witness.

All right, hello there.

How are you?

I'll see you again.

Yes.

Well, great to have you.

His wife, Whitney Jr.'s mother, was the first Negro postmaster in the United States and was there at Lincoln Ridge.

Right at this stoop, so much time has, so much has happened since I was short of time.

The first in the United States?

The first in the United States.

That's hard to achieve.

John, see how appropriate it is to be a part of your life at this place.

He's done a lot of firsts.

What he did at this stoop over there, they say like father, like son, and I can understand why he's accomplished so much.

We've got a mere point of time as citizens, and he did so much for us, for all of us, in all of education.

What would you like to do?

What would you like to set this up?

What would you like to do?

I think you like a lot of pictures.

I think pictures.

Yeah.

So that's where most of their participation comes from.

Well, let me set the picture up then before they come in.

Right.

And you stand on that side, Governor.

You stand here.

We were talking about how this was all accomplished.

We started with a drill here.

Thank you.

I don't know.

It is time for you to leave this place.

You must leave this place.

Well, he's part of the family.

He's a big one.

You have to be already beat, you know what I mean?

What she said over there, is that me?

I don't know whether it turned out right, but if I thought it would, it would.

You can say it didn't turn out right, but if you think it did, you can do it.

I know, I think it's great, you know, there couldn't be a, I don't think that you're, you're a son of a, of a, of a, of a, of a, of a, of a, of a, of a, of a, of a,

Sure, but what better use of the name than the name of the school, you know.

It doesn't have to be a lot of fun.

It's not fun.

Yes, it is.

It's a lot of fun.

Oh, yeah.

This is another connection to the old Lincoln Institute.

See, that's what you had to do with your boy when he went to school and went under the state.

And they could give him a chance to do whatever they wanted.

Well, I certainly approve of this 100%.

I just hope that it's maybe the beginning of more movements in this direction.

Of course, the fact that it moves in the vocational area is so important.

Well, of course, Art, you've been talking about it for a long time.

You know, you are talking about you as a president.

You can talk all you want about it.

But not all.

We don't want one of us to...

and opened a nice house, and I knew he'd got a job.

Got to have a job.

Either pay the rent or pay the down payment or whatever the case might be.

So jobs are the key to everything, and without that whole training, you can't get that job.

That's where the opportunity is, and there's an enormous amount that can be done there.

I think another point Mr. Young could really make is the number of minority, the first few professionals today who started out with skill,

We started out with craft skills sometimes.

And if you notice, craft skills actually worked their way through college, just in and over.

Is that correct?

Oh, yeah.

They started a, not just an article, but a movement.

They started out, I don't know, setting a big area among black professionals, doctors, lawyers, and...

An accountant said, well, it's interesting, a number of both fellows who at one time or another were barbers, beauticians, several of the lay doctors, and they had the black doctors in this instance, and asked to work their way through medical school as beauticians.

They learned beauty training, they discovered that they had to know the anatomy of the body and various other things to pass that test, and got interested as a result of that and used that skill to work with them.

He was telling a story coming up about the young boy that came over to that school several years ago.

They asked him to take him.

He was an expert at picking locks.

He worked with him personally, and today he's one of the outstanding surgeons.

I want to give you a little something, Mike.

Do you like it?

Here's some coffee, actually.

Well, here's some of you, some of you guys.

Thank you.

Here we are.