On April 19, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, John L. McClellan, Clark MacGregor, Kenneth E. BeLieu, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:07 pm to 4:53 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 482-022 of the White House Tapes.
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Yes, sir.
I've got to get you some stuff.
Hello, John.
How are you?
President, I just want to say thank you, sir.
I'm going to get a stretch and I have to come off.
So it will always be a pleasure to have you in town.
Thank you.
I'm still over here, John.
We're not going out.
Get you a present, sir.
What was it in that chair in the right?
You look great, huh?
Oh, that's all right.
That's pretty good.
We should have began.
No, no, no.
That's all right.
That's all right.
That's all right.
That's all right.
That's all right.
That's all right.
That's all right.
What's up?
Yeah.
How are these boys treating you?
A little still, but it's still in your hands.
Come on, let's see.
You're all right.
I'm on my own side.
You're all right.
I told them.
I told them.
Two of them.
One of them.
I told some of them.
I don't know if it's you.
I told some of them.
You told them?
Well, sir.
There's two of them.
There's a black, white, blue, and red.
Well, you report to them.
Responsive.
Important.
You speak to them.
I asked some of them.
Have you had anyone in the name of Gibbons or something?
Well, I've seen Gibbons called by him.
Well, I wanted to tell you that we've got a few other things.
Before we get into that, I'll tell you that in this whole field of national events and everything, the way that you stood like a rock, it's really meant to talk to us.
Somebody has to be.
I can't go along with this element that may be standing as something of more or less destroying our country.
They're creating suspicion on everything, armed services, police, FBI.
It's not altogether inadvertent, but they have some design, but watch yourself.
It's a death wish or something.
But the first place in, the first place in, they have to be killed out of you.
They started out that way, the press and everybody else.
And then you're not elected.
The first one down the road they had was to get you.
And they didn't know about it for a while.
It's all coming out of you pretty well.
That's my tip, Mr. President.
It's my own opinion.
I don't know.
so often unfair to you, you can't do a goddamn thing.
That's right.
That's true.
I don't agree with him on anything, because that's natural for people who have all these differences.
But I haven't known that he had something to hurt you or to do something that I think is good.
But I think maybe then we're doing a disservice to our country simply to try to play partisan politics.
You know what I mean?
I don't know the answer to it.
It's one thing.
When they took that boat on the SST, the last one, John, I'd like to jump through the roof and walk the rest of the boat.
And I walked over there and I said, I don't want to spend any more time with you.
I don't want to spend any more time with you.
And then you go, you know, the time you get a chance.
Well, I mean that, Mr. President, the Northlanders, they won't stand up.
They are the...
If your people were standing behind you with some... You wouldn't have nearly as many, uh... Yeah, from the other side.
Sure, that's right.
You wouldn't have...
They may have stood up with you like they should when they started, but I don't care if you bring it on to me.
You know what I'm saying?
It's all right.
It's all right.
As a matter of fact, the thing is that the gun politicians taste a little blood when he wants more, but if he takes it back again, all the rest of us, we've got plenty of things we can argue about in the gym with this girl.
relating to the incontinence that was going on with the United States and trying to destroy confidence in the National Police Force.
I mean, one of the issues is us rely on to protect them, internal security and so forth, and trying to solve the preventative crimes.
The fact is that when you go to try to destroy confidence
Well, as a matter of fact, we all know that anybody that's spending as long as Hoover is going to have a after-mid share of the state, although he makes less than most in my opinion.
The point is that...
I said, this whole, this crap, in fact, this is a national stopover.
So, I don't know what the hell he's talking about.
There are 50, you know how many taps there are?
Less than 50.
There are 300 over two years by a court order.
That's 150 a year.
And less than 50 in the national security.
And that's out of 250 people.
Now that's a police state?
What the hell did you do?
Oh, that's what I'm saying.
This is all a consequence.
Over the age, you see, the board is the greatest protection.
Yeah, that's the thing, too.
It's a whole view of national prevention, right?
These guys don't really see what's happening.
The Russians are moving along just very, very strongly in terms of their own ICBMs.
I don't think we saw any further than the rest.
Now, we're trying to negotiate with them.
I think we've got to deal with something.
I don't know.
Until we do, we're damn fools.
We're not building our own defenses because otherwise we're going to be behind.
And anybody that wants the United States to be the second-strongest nation in the world, let them stand up and say something.
Because when that happens, the world is going to be a very unsafe place to live.
I spoke at a symposium at the University of Arkansas last week, and they offered a couple of questions.
We had a few that were focused on the symposium.
Well, I'm asking you something about, you know, I mean, I thought we ordered, I think we ordered food spending millions, hundreds of millions of dollars on a military.
I'd said something about keeping strong and providing the care that needs to be provided.
That's a good question.
Well, something like, well, why spend all that money on people here at home?
Then they said, you know, then they said, I just can't suppose to say, well, I assume you'd like to share this arm with me.
And they said, yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.
They said nothing else, but I said, that's the kind of world we're living in.
It's a world of danger.
That's why we have to do it.
I like it.
I like your question.
As a matter of fact, the unilateralist arms, they'd be on solid ground if we didn't live in this other kind of world.
There are other people that have other ideas.
And you see it right now.
It's a great day.
I was supposed to briefly identify a blood parcel, you know, where we're turning over that equipment to the Federal Administration, once you know.
Oh, yeah.
In terms of collage.
What is your word?
Collage.
Collage.
Yeah, collage.
You learn research, you know, and we'll turn it over the other day, and they will sell it to me.
I've illustrated what is symbolic of the biblical term of eating the earth.
I've stored it in the plowshares, you know, trying to convert what was the destruction and dedicated that, and I was transforming it into a facility to preserve life and improve life.
But when I walked in, it was the first time to be of all nations in the world that we were able to do that.
But, you know, those people, you know.
Take the Russians today.
Let me try to get you to come home.
First, the pictures that we used in the World Report are now public.
They have approximately 1,500 intercontinental missiles.
We have 1,000, so they have more in numbers.
The Trolley, they have 2.5 times as great as ours.
The Trolley, the size, their missiles are much bigger.
Now, theirs are around 15 megatons, and ours are around one.
And the Warhead, the other thing,
is that nuclear submarines, they will catch us, some say 73, but certainly at the very earliest in 74.
All right, so that balance is off.
That doesn't mean we run on the hills.
We're still ahead of the conventional sea.
We're ahead of the conventional air.
We, perhaps some of them, have a few other advantages.
But all in all, the point is that if the Soviet Union continues to move ahead in offensive weapons,
And we proceed, say, for example, to do what Solomon's saying, let's just freeze just the defensive weapons.
And what's he going to do?
So they're now, see, they've already moved ahead of us in offensive weapons.
Offensive weapons.
Now, given the next two years, they move ahead so they have twice as many as we have when they develop the potentiality or first striking capability.
So what are we going to do?
we gotta get in the race with there so that's why that's why you cannot make a deal simply to quit doing to freeze the defense if you gotta have a lot of time it's like football you you can't have a good defense you gotta get out of it i mean isn't that just a good defense you got an offense too you're kind of vice for office that can score that's right
So again, it isn't that we aren't trying to, but we are.
We talk about the Soviet all the time, and maybe that we can deal with these things.
The only way you've got to deal with these balls, John, is when there's something in it for them.
We've got something to give.
What we've got to give is the fact that we are building an ADM system, Mario.
We give on that, but they've got to give something on the offensive side.
Otherwise, you can't heal them.
Put yourself in their position.
Why would they give you that?
In fact, I'm building a defense against their offensive weapons.
That's all it is.
Well, I could say it every way I can now.
Well, so you're on some ground, believe me.
I know you're going to honor the things I'm concerned about, and that is...
I'm not always sure I'm going to be right with that, but we really have got a chance after we spend the money.
That's what concerns me the most.
You're absolutely right.
I couldn't agree more.
I'm not one of those that says the Pentagon is right.
Good God, they wasted more billions of dollars over there in some of their McNamara's cost accounting than the rest of the total disaster.
A lot of them.
Not all, but a lot.
Under the circumstances.
And that's the job of the Senate.
How she's got to keep those people beat with fire.
But simply because they're inefficient doesn't mean you throw a baby out in the backwater.
We've got to keep this country strong and
a war, we expect a war to happen.
I don't think it will be one.
To the mutual nation.
But to take a look at that, let's consider two nations in particular.
The strongest people in Europe are the Germans.
The British are, they're alive.
They're going to come to the war.
They're going to come to the war.
They're going to come to the war.
are the strongest economically, the most creative, the most dynamic people in Europe.
And the Germans are denied the right to have a nuclear capability.
The strongest people in Japan, in Asia, is Japan.
And the Japanese, for the same reason, they produce twice as much as China today, economically.
But they are denied the right to have a nuclear defense.
Now, look at Germany and look at Japan.
These two countries have lost
World War II.
The moment that they begin to doubt the effectiveness of the American nuclear umbrella, they're going to look for other places to go.
They're not going to lose twice.
See?
For that reason, what we have to do is never allow the credibility of the American nuclear deterrent to be questioned.
And the
Because Japan is going to determine the future of the city for the next 15 years.
China, 20-ish now, well, 25.
Japan, determining the future of the world.
And for that reason, how can the United States of America ever be in a position where we just go along and say, well, we're willing to accept a place position.
It doesn't make any difference.
Maybe the Russians, because of the great strength we have, and it is great, even if it's second, are not going to engage us in a conflict.
Put yourself in the position of the Japanese government or the German government.
Are you going to be the one to be with the second strongest power or the first?
You're going to be with the first.
That's the way they play.
If you can't defend yourself, you're not going to go along with number two.
That's why the United States must maintain it.
a very incredible nuclear power.
I mean, as long as the Russians are around, you can't let them move dramatically ahead.
And that's what Christine's all about.
Simple as that.
It's diplomacy, more than war.
As it results, you see, when you make these generations, I forget how to say it, I keep reminding them over and over, it's what you would want.
Back to that number of people, Kennedy put over there, and Justice, and all that kind of bullshit.
People from town like that, they're making sure of war in their country, you know.
I've never heard of Nixon or anything like that.
I thought the next one was the one who was trying to get us out.
They asked me that a fair bit, and I thought something about it.
I said, well, the man was trying to get us out.
He was the only one that ever was trying to get us out.
The other was trying to get us in.
He didn't get us in there.
He didn't have the war.
What's the mode for it?
And that's all it was.
You ought to be a little more aggressive on that one.
That's all it means to me.
That's what I'm getting at.
Well, it's good to hear that.
I know you've been very...
I know you wanted me to... We've been very considerate to our friends.
You have.
We know what Johnson is, knows how to join the rest.
But on the other hand, John, we have to face it.
Well, if they're going to fit politically, we have to.
Listen, the people out here who want to be supporting you, or should be, want to be doing and talking.
I never saw such good people as you have.
Yeah, that's the truth.
Yeah, oh my God.
I stick my neck out after doing a bunch of things.
I just want to be kind of popular with everything I do.
You said that people generally are really don't understand what you're talking about.
They think it's a waste, but they don't need to play that game.
Well, I took a position there.
If we want to retreat from competition in this field, well, this is the way to go.
You know, we have, I don't know if this is up, but I use this picture.
I asked him about it the other day.
He reported seven new laws.
We transported the 50...
57% I believe it was, of the world's oceanic water cargo.
Now, last year, we transported less than 5% of it.
I don't want to surrender the, the, uh, the track.
It's unannounced.
It's unannounced.
It's unannounced.
What was your figures in the third room?
In 1947, American vessels carried 57, I think it was 57% of the oceanic water cargo.
Yeah.
And last year... You got to send five percent.
Put that down.
You may as well get that out.
That's a good thing to do.
What is it then?
I said, you know, you want to think about aviation.
I said, oh, I know.
I don't think it's necessary for a businessman to get old in London two hours sooner or one hour sooner.
I said, I don't think it's necessary, but he's going to do it.
He's either going to do it on an American plane or he's going to do it on a Russian plane.
He's going to take the best.
Americans always want the best.
He's going to take the best.
John, I think if you...
Yes, Jackson.
One other example, too, of this steel.
So we've all got here.
Let's take the steel industry.
Now, that steel industry, of course, is coming up with a negotiation with labor.
And the labor union is asking for exorbitant amounts.
All right.
And the steel industry, of course, has been very efficient.
Let's look at the American steel industry.
20 years ago, the American steel industry had 50% of the whole world market.
Today, we've got 20% of it.
That's what's happening.
Now, so it's steel, and it's inevitable.
In two years, let's look at Japan.
20 years ago, the Japanese produced 5 million tons of steel.
Last year, they produced 100 million tons of steel.
And two years from now, they will produce more steel than the United States.
So people say, well, what does steel matter?
All right, fine.
So you go down the line.
The merchant area, well, what does that matter?
We don't have to be number one or anything.
All right.
Steve, well, what does that matter?
Let somebody else name Steve.
Textiles.
What does that matter?
Let somebody else have the textiles.
And then we come to the SSG.
Well, it just happens that we've been number one in commercial aviation from the beginning.
So we say, oh, the hell with it.
We'll bug out of that race, too.
What are we going to make?
What are we going to export?
What are we going to be?
We'll see about that.
You're also going to make a very frustrated group of people because you're going to find that in Japan there are other nations that do want to get in.
The Japanese do, the Germans do.
In some areas, even the French and the British are coming along.
The Chinese and the Russians, even with their lousy systems,
With all the subsidies they provide, they'll certainly come alive.
So here's this, the United States.
We look and we say, oh God, let's clean up the ghettos.
What in the hell are you going to clean up the ghettos with unless you produce something that produces taxes, right?
Those people in the ghettos aren't going to clean it up.
They're so goddamn lazy, they won't do anything.
That's the truth.
You know that.
That's the truth.
Well, we got it.
We got to lay it out.
And you stood up, and I appreciate it.
We'll win in the end.
We'll win the battles.
Let me tell you, it's going to get rough.
On our side, we have to get it out.
If they hear what I'm telling them, if they continue to play this partisan game, listen, I ought to play right.
All right, but you're worried.
But you ought to have me in on that, Clayton.
Well, I don't, but we don't have him up there.
This gang out here, and I'm a Democrat, I'm a Southern Democrat, but this gang up here ought to be defended.
Senator, that's part of my job.
I work there all weekend to get the... You've got to say this in the House.
You do have some good men.
Jerry Ford.
Jerry Ford's a hard one to be like that.
You know, basically, it's quite different.
You don't have an aggressive fighter on the other side of that except Goldwater.
Goldwater goes to the screen.
He's not a... Not a leader.
I mean, he's not a leader.
That's right.
I thought...
I thought...
I thought...
But he's a nice guy.
Yeah.
He's a good guy.
He's a good guy.
He's a good guy.
He's a good guy.
He's a good guy.
He's a good guy.
He's a good guy.
He's a good guy.
He's a good guy.
He's a good guy.
He's a good guy.
Did we work out that thing that I wanted Ken to send that project?
What's it, a watch?
A watch, yeah.
He's inserting.
He's writing it today.
Can I just watch it?
Well, I was like, morning's up for Williamsburg.
But why the hell would he give this picture?
Is this important to you?
Oh, that's all right.
I told him it would be forthcoming this week.
I thought you'd tell me if you wanted to.
You have the power to run it.
Well, no, we'll make the match, Ken.
You've got to finish.
If you want to do that, you've got to do this.
Well, I'm watching the sector.
We'll get a picture.
I've been watching you sign a lot of your cards.
Well, it's so easy.
Because a picture means more than a story.
Now, what is the other thing?
Dedication or something?
Oh, you're talking about dedication.
Am I going that way?
I don't know about that.
This is a big day.
Now, you're going...
I don't know about that.
Tell us.
Oh, call me.
That's what I read.
That's what I told him.
That's what I told him.
Would you like to go over there?
I'm going over there.
You know what they're going to do?
Mr. President, they're going to have me some coins.
All right.
Sure.
Give you a gold one, give you a gold one, and put a gold one in a museum, a box, or a museum.
That's right.
Then they're going to have 200 in silver.
They hand out to the dignitaries, and then they give him $80,000 to try to sell at a dollar a piece.
That's the only people in Arkansas that are involved.
But it would be a great day, isn't it, President, if that valley is becoming a developing area for this nation?
Yes, sir.
Why don't I ask you a question?
I mean, it's over their lives.
They're good people.
Their climate, their economy, and so on, has hardly suffered at all.
Great.
Because of what?
Because of optimism about the future of arts and stuff.
You know, people are invested in their building, and we've got a great, great potential.
And people have confidence in industry.
It's ready.
They come in there and be like, well, there's one thing to make it, to make it for absolute and certain, and that's gas.
They don't have no gas, but they've got time, and that's due to, I mean, that's due to getting this at all times.
They have an application, the gas company, they are in charge, as always, they have an application until the pipeline cross over to some,
Where is that?
For the federal power commission?
Yes.
What company is it?
Arkansas, the gas company.
If we get that, that is the company.
If I have to name the chairman, who's the chairman of that commission?
What's his name?
Federal power commission.
All right.
But I have a plan next to get after that.
You want to know that?
Then you're a lot of things like Secor Brown.
their turn, or they've gone busted.
We have had from this office.
These independent agencies, by the day they've got to start shaping up.
That Federal Power Commission has been, some of its decisions, John, it goes back, but the ICANNs are terrible.
You know, I'll tell you another one.
I'll be honest with you.
I was going to make them get in high, and I said to the Federal Communication Commission, I was going to earn the
The cable system, to be honest, we've got it worked out down there in the bill.
Last we had it, I mean, Section 111 of this copyright bill, we've got the bill ready.
But Section 111 deals with these cables.
The reason is within the jurisdiction of the Commerce Department, and we report the bill out.
You know, they've taken over, you know, and I'm looking at them at the same time.
They ought, they have the power, they ought to issue a regulation.
I'm going in and pass the copyright.
Then you can't pass it perfectly.
I've literally never said this before.
I never will.
Overall, they're beginning to satisfy.
Birch is a good man.
He'll do a good deed to me as well.
I think he, uh...
He's a good man.
He's a very outspoken, tough guy.
He's a good man indeed.
What he's got... You see, you want to understand, he's got some horrible people next to him.
I think so, too.
Yeah.
But what he's got, too, he's got top staff people working on one side and one on the other.
Right.
He's got a little game.
He's got a few that I'm not...
Well, Birch is on my head.
I had Birch in there the other day when I was talking, and he tells me the problem.
It is anti-commissioned.
Well, he thinks that all the time he didn't have it.
Well, I don't know.
He thought maybe he would have it, but he didn't have it.
It's 43, but we'll see.
There's no reason why he can't find the center.
Just tell Pete not to talk to the company.
All he's planning on, you know him.
He can talk to the senator and you tell him what you want.
Which one of them are you talking about?
I don't know.
You're talking to me.
I don't care.
I don't know what that means.
Well, you should.
What's going on at the moment is...
along with it, I think.
You see, we have every right to have our commissioning approved.
Whenever a senator's interested or a congressman in a project that certainly should bring him down, he has my hand as the guy that deals with these agencies.
All he does is present the facts, that's all.
The staff, I think, has recommended the staff report to the commission and recommended that report.
That's the part of the commission staff?
Yeah.
All right.
I'll talk to Peter about that.
Because that's the last thing on my record.
I don't want to mislead you.
We're looking into a little bit of change in there.
It may not be quite ready for decision.
I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to drag it and feed it, but I mean it is of that importance to that guy.
I know you were surprised that the cargo on that truck, we haven't gotten the bridges completed yet.
You had to raise all the bridges.
They only get them as far as folks can get.
The cargo on that truck is double what the Corps of Engineers estimated it would be.
They're terrific.
That's wonderful.
It's wonderful.
You should get a memorandum on that.
So when I get down there, I'll have a speech about it.
Let me ask you a couple of things about the new members of the Senate on the Democratic side.
I was disappointed to see the follow-up from Florida and the follow-up from Georgia both voting against SSG.
I don't know.
They're both, you see, not you, because they succeeded.
Take Russell, that's Senator Pollack.
And Pollack and Russell were two of the best men in the Senate.
Well, that's Ron Barlow.
I'm working on that.
That's it.
That's you.
That's true.
They made you.
They made you.
They feel like you're sinking in.
They're not one of your own people.
That's how leadership means to them.
That's what it's all about.
Charles' excuse to make sure was that he campaigned against the U.S. Well, he did.
I don't know, though.
What about the other ball?
Can't throw.
I was surprised at him.
Locking, locking, hitting.
They're going to, I'll tell you, those that voted against it are going to regret that vote.
Because they're going to, first of all, when we go, we'll be flying heroes of the United States of America, John, not going back.
And another thing, too, is that you know history.
Whenever a great nation
Drops out of a race to explore a new continent, a new world, or the unknown.
And if you break through, it ceases to be great.
And that's where I believe.
When it loses something inside, you know, you turn inward and selfish and all that.
The United States has been the leader of the world.
That's the best thing about space is not going to the moon, but the fact that we try.
We're good.
That's really it.
We've learned a lot.
Well, that's true.
I don't think we need to keep it.
We're going to have quite a fight on the defense budget, but I want you to know that I'm going to fight back for right now.
Why?
Because we cannot allow this nation to be weakened at this critical time.
Particularly when you're dealing with the Russians.
If we, in unilaterally, say, look, we're dropping out, then they have no incentive to deal with us.
That's what I mean.
Can I ask you this with regard to the, you know, we chatted on this reorganization thing.
and we're looking at fair shape, and that's all we ask.
Well, we're just talking into that.
That's the question.
Because we feel strongly about it.
John is going to be the lead force there, and he just feels so strongly about it.
Well, I'm going to tell you what happened.
I met Chavis.
Chavis called me up one day and said to me, I should reopen the station.
I don't know what happened.
It was fine.
It's nice.
Well, I see.
Is Chavis directing the public?
and then he introduced it and I got a question called me and said that he was going to introduce the organization and he said the White House would like to have me co-sponsor.
Percy?
Yeah, yeah, he's in charge of that.
You can't keep Percy, but for him to say that the White House is...
The White House?
When you hear, when you hear, when you hear direct, when you hear direct, that is, you...
I told you about it.
I told you about it.
Now listen, I'm not going to start a fight with you.
I don't mean I'm going to have a support party.
But if I've got that, I don't want you to let it go right out on me.
Now, did the heat get on one of you or something?
I don't know.
You know what he's done?
I've been away for a little bit.
I come back and he's set here a few things.
Don't call me one of the ones that I looked at everybody's calendar.
I'll talk to everybody and I think we can hold these on a certain date.
What'd you say?
That's a reasonable way to keep it.
What'd you say?
Well, I just know that's Morgan, so I haven't even looked at my calendar.
But my God, no.
That's people guess.
Who is the next Democrat?
Is that Rick?
Is he under attack?
Scoop.
Scoop, he'll be visited.
Oh, he's offered your bills, Mr. President.
Scoop will not get in.
He will not get in your head.
He's in all of them.
Scoop's over there.
Matter of fact, he's the best one of your candidates.
And, uh...
Well, we know that.
He's never been to Chippendale, but he's been to San Diego.
I don't know if he's ever been to San Diego.
Yeah, of course, in the middle of where I live.
Oh, sure.
You've got to know.
You've got to know.
I can tell you.
You've got to know.
Well, you're all good, man.
Well, I don't think he's been to San Diego.
You all know that, you know.
That is interesting.
But when I get my, I just got back, and I heard yesterday on this compact bill.
We started hearing today on this state compact bill.
And I got another one on Wednesday.
We're trying to move that bill.
That's a good bill.
I don't know what the administration is going to do.
But I think it's, you know, state compact ought to be encouraged rather than
This, I think, will be a good deal.
The governors of the state, several of them, most of them, won't pay.
I see.
And I don't think you're wrong, but if you folks have so much air over it, it could be improved or whatever.
John, how many years have you been in the Senate?
I was in my final year.
You never have a regret about doing it?
Have you ever thought you were any better than a judge?
No, but a lot of times I was offered the judgeship.
I know.
I was offered the judgeship.
But you liked the judgeship.
You liked him.
They first came in office.
We had a property down there by the circuit judge.
And they offered it to me.
That's good.
I was trying to get to...
I had a partner of mine.
I had three people warming up and I didn't know what he was doing.
I didn't know what he was doing.
So I had to find me someone.
When I told him I didn't want to even want to feed him, I just couldn't go along with it.
That's me and the tank.
I didn't work.
No.
No, no.
That was 1916, wasn't it?
That's better than I would have had you going to school again, darn you.
Oh, it ought to have worked.
I'd have had you down to the mountain.
Well, who raps you with a son of a gun in eight years?
In the service, your service, of Eleanor and Aiken.
Aiken?
Who?
Eleanor, Aiken, and only two.
East and the Man.
Is it Eastman?
And at the same time, when he got outranked, he was called Eastman.
When did you come then?
You must have called Eastman to speak.
He was admitted to the Indian Church.
Oh, that's very fast.
In the 1940s.
January of 1943.
Eastman was the man.
That's a great address to make.
He's politically astute, but they go after him because of his, you know, what he did.
But he's underestimated.
Isn't he respected by the other senators?
I think he is.
I think he is.
And Jim is a, he's a, you know, he's a very, all, all of you, all of you, all of you.
He's an accommodator.
He's a mentor.
Mentor is great.
Very hard.
Yes, sir.
Do you have accommodation right next to the elevator?
I was trying to lost it one time.
you know what you folks don't know this but uh you know blackman's on that curve because of johnny
I was down in the club, but I first mentioned it to you down at, uh, on the, on the boat.
Oh, going on the boat.
Oh, so you remember coming back out?
Yeah, I mentioned it back, but I first told you about it.
I first told you for the first time, and let it keep you on that.
That's what we didn't have any money for.
No, that's what, before, I suggested then you shouldn't have appointed him to this place because of his relationship with the murderer.
She's out of the way.
She went to school again.
You don't have to know.
Oh, yes, she's out of the way.
You know what they call them?
You know what they call them?
They call them outside twins.
Yeah.
All right, all right.
I don't think you think we can prove the court of the judge.
Yeah, but like I said here, it does need one more man on the bench.
You can't try to get too much.
But I know, if you need one more on your side.
You just need one more judge.
Of course, the difficulty is hard for the guy most likely.
That's it, you said.
I didn't want to give you much.
He said, fine.
They're all commendable.
It's the moment of the brief.
I can probably be able to judge a man's course in black.
He's smart as hell.
He's smart.
Just like that.
So what do you think you'll give us?
We have one more vacancy.
We're going to change the court.
The best thing that will happen is that court has been a disaster for this country.
Mr. President.
Not all, but a lot.
Mr. President, this...
Well, let me then, let me talk to you about it.
I know, of course, I told you this time.
But whenever they talk to you, you do know there might be...
I understand.
Whenever you need to talk to me, you can't hold me.
You understand?
But the trouble is, you're not actual.
I won't bother you.
I won't bother you.
Percy calls me every week.
Oh, God.
I got it.
I got it.
Yeah, that's true.
He's mad.
I'm afraid he's going to make himself.
You know, I, uh, where do you want to go?
I don't know.
I'll just stand over here and watch the sign and see if we can get the best of the way in the picture.
What is the date today?
I'll put the date on it.
I'll have something.
I'm sorry.
I was trying to tell them how they worked it out.
This is a project state, local interest, federal government, and it's got the navigation on the west side.
It's part of the navigation part of the conservation project.
It's got a few...
All right.
All right.
All right.
All right.
Thank you, Dr. Rich.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
Thanks, pal.
We're always live.
See, again, my best friend, Norma, she'll cry.
She's straight now.
She's going to Florida Field.
Wait a minute, wait a minute.
You got your wrap?
Give me something.
Here's your cup, my friend.
Wait a minute, wait a minute.
Here's your paperweight.
Wait a minute, wait a minute.
Here's your paperweight.
Here's your paperweight.
Here's your paperweight.
All right.
All right, thanks for coming in.
Bye.