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You'll want to send a briefing paper sometime.

I have a retirement discussion after H-U-V to do a briefing paper on this whole business of suburban integration.

In the meantime, I've gone ahead and drafted something.

which is along the lines of our conversation here today, which keeps us out of intervention and so forth.

If he raises the subject, I think it's sufficient for you just to say that we're waiting to see what they come up with over at HUD as a result of this last lawsuit against recent developments in this court.

So, thank you.

Well, how are you, sir?

All right, sir.

I think you did a great thing with that school message.

I think you spelled out in there a philosophy, and this is the sound of one.

I think there has to be diversity in treatment choice.

And there's something in the outcome of the on-place as well as the integrated evidence.

And where does he have to be?

Where does he have to be?

One thing I was going to ask you a little bit on that subject.

I was going to, because it's a subject of course, and it's an awesome integration that we're doing.

There's skill and horrible pressures.

I know the pressures you must be under in the department.

Uh, so I understand you're preparing in your department a paper on this thing?

That's right.

That's very good.

As soon as you can get that, then I want to take a look at it.

And then, so that we can get a position.

Mitchell, as you know, is considering this blackjack and all these other things.

But I think we ought to get your people involved.

It is practically ready now.

We have about a person a week.

Well, don't encourage it until you're ready because it's such an important and explosive issue.

I'd like to get your best feelings on it.

I understand Barron has given it to you, John, although I haven't seen it.

a memorandum that basically is the sort of memorandum that the President suggested be developed by the State as a basis of discussion of alternatives.

If John would get Joe and Don Mitchell and me together and permit us to take a look at the garment thing ahead of time, I'd be glad to send you this suggestive message that we can put together.

And if we, if the three of us can get together, Ben and Ray, we'll go in too and discuss the areas of agreement also.

We can all disagree with Mitchell's suggestions.

Well, that's what I mean.

Yeah.

And Ben, if we're going to present the alternatives to you for your responses.

That's what we're going to do, John, is just have a meeting at the final.

And Mitchell, George, and probably Ben, yourself, that's it.

I think, personally, that the earlier we can bring this to a conclusion, the better, because I believe that everybody's going to be confronted with the meatball of the Nationalist Black Caucus.

Oh, response.

And then the thing is, one of the dangers right now is that the Civil Rights Commission is undertaking to focus attention just on the housing needs of the suburbs.

Now, St. Jackson, St. Jackson is the one who will be responsible for the danger of this, because if they can succeed in this, if you are able to, if you are able to,

If they can succeed in focusing the attention just on housing in the suburb, then they narrow the problem too much.

Because really the problem is meeting the housing needs in the central cities, in the suburbs, in the small towns, in the rural areas.

And through this message, I think we can get a problem out of it.

I'm all for it.

I'd like to try to do it if we can.

I don't know what it is to suffer.

You have a paper in this thing like we had back in March on the school integration thing, one that is defended, besides the Old Man thing, and that then may lead the court again, you see, so that the court then, see the court's all confused here too, they have so much, what is likely to happen in the school thing.

So if you could get it here, I'll send it to you.

It's basically a review of the law.

And I asked him to do further work, which came in just the other day.

And he said, I'll send that to George and send that to Mitchell.

All right.

Now, we'll send it to you.

And I just want to make sure that's the thing.

He didn't have any.

He said that he knew all about it.

I'm ready to discuss it.

As a matter of fact, John, you've got time to discuss that.

In case we, it comes up, you'll have a certain little way with me when I'm in California.

George and John might fly on.

I guess I don't have a chance to.

I'm hopeful, too, of this idea of your visiting a housing project.

Because one of the things that's been done here in the last two and a half years is to keep housing production a lot higher than it would have been before.

And to subsidize housing in particular, it's been the highest time to, I'm sure it was the first time we really had any production announcement.

And we're on the verge of a rise.

What come here?

I saw it here.

Do you feel very optimistic about it?

Do you feel there's some more things we should be doing?

Remember I asked you in the catalog, I said, what more?

There's some more things we aren't doing, George, credit-wise.

I was glad to see Conley kick the chase, too, for raising a crime rate.

Yeah.

I mean, you can't keep that.

Those bankers are so greedy.

That's right.

There's that much demand for money.

That's right.

As a matter of fact, they said his loans are loaded with money.

Are they?

Oh, sure.

And they could raise their loans with money.

But here's the basic situation.

As far as I can see, this year looks pretty good.

There may be some small things.

I'm not talking counties here.

This one here looks pretty good.

If we're going to take housing production to the level that I think it has to reach in 72, which is around 200,000 to 400,000 units.

That's what we want.

Does anybody disagree with that?

It's too poor.

That's probably, if we're anywhere close to this national goal, it would have to be that.

That's also my thing.

But in terms of the economy, I'd like in terms of the economy, you know, it's a must.

Sure, that's the way I feel about it.

I'm just going to contribute to having an economy of one and the other.

Now, there are some small things that we need to take a look at in the immediate future.

If we're going to carry our subsidized production to the level that your budget permits, as the budget for 72, presumably for 73, then we're going to need to have an amendment to the 72 budget to permit us to hire about 500 more employees

And this doesn't require a disincorporation because it comes out of the fees and things paid for by the people who use our services.

So it's not a budgetary item.

But we do have to have an organization do it.

And then one or two other small things like that.

Now we're also probably faced with a problem on lumber.

I remember you had this lumber committee under Bob... Nail.

Nail.

And that has kind of been picked up by CEA and Hoptak have been chairing a task force there.

But to get the lumber we need and to avoid lumber prices going through the road, if we get 2,400,000 housing units, the forestry service needs some money to do a better job of logging.

And this is going to take a little cooperation on the part of Russell Train.

to cool off these environmentalists because many of them are at the point where they think if any tree's cut, it's damaging to the...

There's a lot of congressional pressure on this all of a sudden.

This time they're slogging.

They're slogging.

If there needs to be some preparation there, we need to get it done.

Now, what I thought I would do, if this 2,000,004 target looks all right, is to get the housing committee to get it done.

And take a look at these details.

There's no big items, but there's some small items that we probably ought to move on.

And that includes Schultz and others.

But we want to put Morton on there.

Probably we ought to put somebody who trains the operation on.

Well, Trey ought to be invited to sit in on that decision.

Of course, that committee is not dealing with lumber.

No, that's the price of it.

Well, no, it's just the housing program brought to hold.

I'm talking about the, we're talking about the Housetaker committee.

The Housetaker committee.

As I understand it, the Housetaker committee is going to be meeting in the next few days.

And they then need a meeting of the economic policy committee to take a look at the summer situation.

It would be useful if Markham and Frank were brought in on that economic policy committee.

You're right.

Those firemen are going absolutely nuts.

Crazy.

Absolutely nuts.

One thing that I don't want to have you afraid of another cabin officer's deal, but I'd like to see John Gold here in the green here.

I just don't think that airbag thing, it makes a hell of a lot of sense now.

I, I, you know, I, this, this whole nature, of course, has raised hell of a lot of people in the rest of the nation and so on and so forth.

This airbag, I don't think it's been tested out enough to require

I have no more information about it than what I've read in the press.

But I have read statements by the four people and others indicating that it's not technically developed.

The difficulty with it is that you get the cost of these darn cars.

I'm sold them with airbags, seatbelts, all that sort of thing.

that help the sails go down.

That's what I can suppose.

There is another question, but it's too much stuff.

This safety angle can be used to shape the whole car, price and level marks.

Yeah, there's another question.

And the safety is directly related to the environment, thank you.

The environment cannot be totally pure.

Sometimes you've got to cut a tree down.

God loves the trees, but sometimes they've got to be cut down.

They die, and they die.

Of course they've got to be harvested.

I'll tell you what you do.

I'll tell you what's a good one to get after this.

You might get a hold of Hatfield.

He's a little old, and he's got to be on the other side, right?

He's got to be a tree cutter.

You don't have to be able to get back and say, look, we need your dog here now.

And Jackson and the other dog.

That's right.

Magnus.

In other words, gets in about four senators who are basically on the liberal side but who have gotten to be on the other side because the environmentalists are going crazy here in this field.

Well, the Forest Service has been humiliated a lot.

But they also do need additional funds if they're going to be able to hire them.

Because they're only getting about 50% of the production that they should be getting on the national forest.

You see, the federal government owns two-thirds of the lumber supply of the country.

I mean, they stumpage the country bulkheads in federal money.

So this is very important.

All right, we'll follow up on that.

Revenue sharing.

Oh, before we leave the racial situation completely, Sam Jackson made a suggestion recently that I pass on to you while I was working.

I think merits a little consideration.

He says he thinks it would be a tremendous thing if you would accept an invitation to speak at one of the major minority conferences this year, but not next year.

This year is the year to do it, right next year.

He suggests one of two, either the Urban League National Meeting or the Baptists, the Baptists of the conservative, the Negro Baptist Church.

And that would mean a great deal to the minority community.

Well, that's a little over, John.

We probably got it a bit too small.

Let me ask this.

You were going on to represent the, you know, you probably feel sometimes that you get out there and you really are getting across.

I mean, I did a report, so I got in front of hundreds.

I haven't had a group of congressmen here occur at all.

I haven't had any group of congressmen going out.

And Peter Greenhouse was sitting there, apparently he spoke to the Jersey legislature or something.

And I said, that's what the mayors did.

Well, that's what the legislature mayors did.

He said it was very effective up there.

And here today was the mayor of Alabama.

He said, I want you to know that he kept all the mayors together in all the states.

We were 100% for it.

So there's a hell of a lot of things going on, George, around the country.

The mayor's report, the governor's report, the, you know, and the county officials' report, and the down in Congress has got to start refining that's all there is to it.

That's what I've got to say.

We had a good hearing of those this morning.

Oh, here goes something.

Oh, I think so.

Conley Hartman and I have heard Jonas before.

I'm freaking out.

And we all felt it went very well.

As a matter of fact, Humphrey, in the course of the hearings, indicated a friendly attitude, sort of, rather than sharing.

And then, Colleen and I talked to him afterwards, and he still expresses.

Now, I had a very lively exchange with him a couple of times.

Cutting out a red tape, he said I ought to cut out a red tape rather than talk about the revenue change at one point.

And then he wouldn't let me respond to his statement, so I kept insisting on it.

I had a chance to respond.

But anyway, it turned out very well.

And this was the first period act on President Trump.

That's right.

Based on the checkup.

Now this one was.

Because there's an overlap here between urban and rural.

And we also wanted to point out, for the record, the extent to which our funds are used in the rural areas.

Because the concern of the Republicans has been that the Humphreys are going to try and build up a picture of neglect of the rural department.

They are.

He's supposed to be the representative.

And one of our real problems here, which I've asked, which isn't another category, John, that you and I are going to consider, the only part of the real organization that causes us real trouble is agriculture.

We may be cycling it on.

We just may have to be in order to get the whole thing through.

We, you're basically, you're, the department, you're, you're, you're a shop, no problem.

But I was wondering if all of you were, I was wondering, because any development, any development, there's no problem.

Commerce and labor are a part of it.

Some of the labor guys don't like it, but they're not our students anyway.

The business men don't mind.

Congress leaders of the department, national resources of the department, sir, no problem.

And what's the other one?

Human resources.

No problem.

But some way, I'm afraid, I have talked to enough senators and congressmen, just a whole lot of people,

and they just, the Department of Agriculture, some way.

What do you find, George?

It just seems to be too hard to wield.

You've got to think about it.

I'm not deciding to understand it, but you've got to talk to Conley Hill so strongly about it.

Talk to him, because I don't want all of the organizations to go down, because of the opposition.

Well, here's the picture.

Here's the picture I want to focus attention on for a minute with respect to the revenue sharing in the organization.

Our budget is the only budget that's based on revenue sharing, based on the adoption of revenue sharing.

Our departmental budget has been presented on the premise that the early community developments like revenue sharing program would be made effective as of July, January 1, 1972.

So we've been through hearings with our Appropriations Subcommittee on the basis of revenue sharing, budget based on revenue sharing.

Now,

But we had a favorable hearing.

We thought they were basically with us.

And I think if we could concentrate effort behind that and get it through, it would tend to represent a breakthrough and break the barrier and get one through.

And we've got to get it or else we've got to go back and revise the whole budget, you see.

Now the other aspect of it is that

Our department is already being organized along the lines of the reorganization proposed within the limits of our present activities.

And Percy came to me about two weeks ago and indicated that when he starts his hearings on reorganization, that he'd like to focus on the community development departments first and undertake to get that one pushed through first.

Now, whether that's a sound, whether that's sound strategy or not, it's something you may want to take a look at.

But these two things tend to tie together.

No, I have not.

Do it.

He's very jealous of his barracudas and he doesn't like Percy and all that.

Go see.

He's a fine man.

You know what I talked about.

All right.

That I am.

and what his judgment is and the rest of it.

You do that right.

Good.

But if this makes sense, we could make an all-out riot here in respect to those two.

Well, just as personal as it is, don't mention Percy's name.

I won't.

Don't tell my fellow that you talked to Percy, but talk to him.

Senator, we know you are the man that's going to have to determine this.

The President said this.

We want to get your best advice, your judgment, and so forth and so on.

It would be very important for us in the long haul to have him on.

Now, we still need Whitnall's butter dust.

And he's deferring the introduction of our bill, and we're not pressing it because we'd like to have him introduce it on the top sub.

And we're working on the water and sewer matter.

We're trying to get that straightened out, it looks like.

We've got the store.

We're going to hand that out.

Thank you.

You've got a little cold.

It's just a little tickle.

It isn't terrible.

I've had a cold, and I'm over the cold.

It's just a little tickle that you get sometimes.

I seem to get myself a batch of colds all over.

It's a sign it's over.

It's through the house.

On this involuntary action, if I may, where do you make the comments?

a really, really great question, ask a question.

Well, I realized that Finch's hand, I had no question about that.

Edwards and the others invited me to attend the Executive Committee meeting next week, and I'm free as a time.

If you have no objection, I'd like to just keep a finger in it.

Oh, absolutely.

Just in Evan's interest.

Now, I talked to Edwards yesterday, and I think personally that he's doing a whale of a job.

I think he's really going after it in a very business-like way.

The key thing he needs is for you to stop in just five minutes ahead of that reception and meet with the ten people that they'll have that they're looking to for funds.

And let them know of your interest.

Well, it's done.

That's the most important thing.

Whenever it is, it's already on the schedule.

All set.

When Clemson and Max Fisher come through, I'll get them all in here.

I had a very cordial motion to the board the other day, indicating that he was very enthusiastic on the basis of that dinner party the other night.

He thought we were off on the right track.

I think so, too.

I think it's really ready to roll.

And, too, if we could just get them to do something that people could see.

There's one thing that they can see, and everybody's going to say it.

Andrew is a very enthusiastic kind of a guy.

He's an ideal for the job.

He's done it early, too.

In my opinion, he's pretty practical.

He's pretty practical.

He's mapped out a program, and he's done it.

Good.

You want to tell him that we're all set for the reception.

I'm all set for it.

Now, let me just mention something.

Again, this might be a little presumptuous, but I've been on this collective bargaining commission on wages and prices.

Now, well, it may be happening now, but in any event,

At the point where a discussion takes place as to what is going to be done, I'm really not there.

And yet when the executive order comes out, I'm handed the problem of stabilizing the price aspect of it.

And it wouldn't be helpful to me if one... No, I agree.

I agree.

I think it's perfectly, perfectly, perfectly... Because you do have to...

Particularly in your case, you've got the most of it in your court.

Well, naturally you have to punish.

But after all...

I'm trying to help him on insurance.

So if you're in charge of so much construction, that's what I support.

And it's another way that can also have a lot of experience.

I think it's good.

What do you think, John?

I know it's a natural thing, and that's worked out.

Now, with respect to the revenue sharing, just so I'm feeling that I'm doing what you expect me to do,

As far as I'm concerned, I'm only undertaking to respond to

speaking engagements and things of that type.

And as far as I'm concerned, Ed Morgan is running the show and the strategy and everything else.

And I just want to be sure that that's what you expected me to do, because I'm trying to sell it whenever I'm asked to help sell it.

But I'm not trying to do anything else.

I've called governors.

I've done anything that Senator Whittier or any of the fellows wanted me to do.

But I have.

But that running, I'm not running.

That's what I would like.

I'm not in on that anymore.

I want you to be the ball that gets out of it.

I want you to spend your time.

in the, in selling it and presenting it and so forth and so on in the best possible forms we can provide.

However, on this, as far as strategies concern everybody, if you have any thoughts, for example, like this, if you're bringing all the women from the second level, you know, the government in, it's an excellent idea.

I think it would be your idea.

Well, I don't necessarily have any other ideas.

I don't necessarily have any other ideas.

I don't have any other ideas.

All I can do is to let Mark's office, they will not do, they make no appearances.

They just let them do the scheduling and the shading and all that sort of thing.

But they will, but in terms of the salesmen, I look upon you as the prime salesman program.

That's what you are.

Well, I'd rather have you not get your

not spending your time actually on the nuts and bolts that's any more than i do now you know it's like when you're candid

you had to go over to this school and say, why are you going there rather than going to the plant?

So you talk.

But also we, I think it's, I don't know, it seems, I know it must seem discouraging at times with all we've done and the rest of it.

And reorganization would be,

Nothing breaks through.

And yet, there's more than meets the eye here.

George Shultz is in a pretty good talk.

How do you feel about this?

I don't make this a progress, I think, Mr. President.

You know, the Democrats had a strategy meeting the last two or three days, didn't they?

And they were trying to devise some substitute for Rep. Sharon.

The president, taking America, told him, he stood up and said, there is no substitute for engineering.

He said, we are down on the president's bill, and we are not pushing off.

Well, he's great.

He's a strong man.

He has all the other strong men with him.

He has the other Democratic senators with him.

So, well, I, incidentally, uh...

You might need to make a note, John, for me to call, take, and thank you.

Yeah.

I mean, I've got a fourth wife.

Well, I'll just call and thank her.

She's not particularly busy.

I speak in my ears.

Lindsay wrote to me about coming down to talk about the New York City housing.

Well, that's good.

I might invite him to go ahead and do it.

Cross-current there.

All right.

Nelson Rockefeller is moving in on New York City housing.

He's got a lot of bond money, and he's got quite a set of public corporations at a state level.

He's gone into Brooklyn Navy Yard, and he's gone into a number of other situations.

And what he's trying to do is force Lindsey out of the housing business.

So you might want to check what kind of government store is Nelson going to call me.

what he would prefer that you do in that yard.

I did give him a stake on a lot of the view yards, and I said, we're working on a stake.

The man you have to play with there is Nelson.

Oh, sure.

One question.

Obviously.

Sure.

Because to the extent that he wants to, maybe, but Nelson probably would suggest, well, you know, he and Lindsey sit down.

But don't let Lindsey undercut us with Nelson.

No.

That's what Nelson is playing our game.

Lindsey's not the right chairman.

Right.

So all of our programs.

Yeah.

Very good.

And it's like when you see Nelson, there's another bit of therapy you tell him that you were discussing with me and that I, in the bottom of it, that you had this request and that I said I would appreciate it if you would talk to Nelson first because we had some other ideas and John Irving mentioned it and that's why you're doing it now.

Very good.

Look, let me, you raised a question that connects me with this

focusing their attention on what's happening in the house.

We've located three projects out near San Clemente, which you can visit.

One's Laguna Hills, Ross and Cortessa.

One's Mission Vallejo, Seville.

One's the Westerwassen, Aliso.

And once in that place, they had Dorval Linden.

He was going to the estates, and he was born next to him, and he met with Dorval Linden.

Well, now, there's another angle that I'd like to raise, and that's this.

As I've indicated before, the real problem in housing is cost.

The cost is, and we've been making a fundamental approach to doing something about the cost problem.

The personal thing we've been undertaking to do is to

open up the housing market so that whether you have an on-site producer or industrialized producer factory, that they can build houses in volume and get the benefit of the volume of production.

Now, when we took office, there wasn't a single state where you could build a housing unit and have it used any place in the state.

You had to conform to all the local buildings.

And that was the first state to adopt what we urged, and that was a statewide inspection, so that once it was inspected, we could locate in place the state.

We now have 12 states that have such statewide inspection.

There's 17 states considering such legislation.

To give you some idea of the change that's beginning to take place in the housing future,

We selected 22 housing systems to be erected on these housing sites in connection with Operation Breakthrough.

Two of the two companies that submitted housing systems that we didn't pick were Westinghouse and Blakeslee.

The firm has been in the construction business for 125 years in Connecticut.

More recently, Preston,

distressed concrete.

They're so convinced of the size of the coming market, the housing market, the opportunity for volume production, that they've teamed up.

I went up to Connecticut the week before last and dedicated a big new plant up there for Blakeslee that Westinghouse has helped to do, that helped to finance, because Blakeslee didn't have the money to go into this volume production, so they merged with Westinghouse.

Now, Westinghouse is also building a prefabricated unit down in Fredericksburg.

Yes.

And they've gone into the production of the wet system, the kitchen, the bathroom, the expensive plumbing, cabinet elements, fixture elements, so they can be used by anyone.

In other words, Westinghouse is one of a number of major firms that are getting into this housing business big way.

Now, Levitt, who's been the biggest housing producer in this country,

has started to shift from the, what you call this, stick on-site production, the old hammer mill, to factory production.

The level of people are opening their plant early next month is in production now.

They want me, it's between Battle Creek and Kalamazoo, in Michigan.

And you see, by that location, they tap Detroit, Chicago, Indianapolis, Cleveland, that whole Midwest market with that factory.

Now, I don't know whether you want to do this, but

it would focus attention on the progressive effort we're making in this housing field to open up this market for everybody.

Because if we get this market opened up by code changes and other things, and we can develop this in connection with certification, it will be beneficial to everyone.

I don't know whether you'd be willing to consider stopping in Michigan on the way back to San Clemente at a dedication ceremony of that kind.

I actually had to walk there on the 17th of May.

I fixed it the 17th of May because that was convenient for me.

But I'm sure that they could be ready by the 6th, the day you were coming back, if you were willing to stop there and participate and then come on in the washroom.

Could you send me some information on that?

Yeah, I'll get it.

I haven't discussed this with anyone.

Sure.

Well, why don't you send me what you have?

I'll send this in the back room.

But it will focus attention on this whole effort to modernize the housing.

We've got to do something, Jerry.

We've got to improve your time.

We've got to symbolize it.

Well, you may want to do it.

Well, frankly, demonstration is what you want to do.

folder when you can remake news with it.

You see, you can't compete sometimes with the other news.

That's a problem.

That's all right, Tom.

That's right.

You know what I mean?

We can go out and make an end of speech and everything.

That's right.

I will do it.

If it's all right with you, I haven't taken a break since I've been down here, but I haven't even taken a real break.

You're going to start us in quite a meeting.

You're coming in, you're spending, you go.

And then I'm scared tonight.

No, well, that's not more than four hours.

Sure, Rick, let go.

But the American, our association, talked in London at their meeting in the middle of July.

So what I thought I'd do is to head to Spain in the latter part of June and take a couple of weeks to sit on the Mediterranean and then go up to London and come back in during the last three or four weeks.

Now, I had another letter that came to me.

Here's a letter from the International Association of Universal Brothers.

They want to invite me to come to Monrovia to Liberia.

from June 13th to 17th.

Why so?

I don't recommend it.

I'm talking on housing for the emergent nation.

Well, well, I, I, I...

If I did that, I'd be great for a lot of money.

It is the best.

It's one of the best parks.

I want to see the other parks.

Why don't you flip over and go to Congo, which would be very good, and Nigeria, which would be good.

Nigeria is a channel-dead place.

Let me say it.

I think if there was an excellent idea, it would help.

It also gives you a little sort of lift to give your residents to talk about when you come back.

Really, it's good.

We've got five or six weeks, but that isn't too long.

No, not at all.

It's only two years.

It's a good time.

You'll have your period.

Whether we've been through other hearings or something like that.

You take it.

Take your wife with you.

90 months.

Would you do that?

Oh, sure.

All right, sure.

That's required.

By the way, Adam, you've got her arms.

Yeah.

Oh, I've got them.

I see.

I'll have that stuck over here.

Would you definitely have someone cover your 10 minutes, please?

Because I'm going to be 10 minutes late.

Okay.

I know Rob doesn't have coffee, so now we can.

We always give Rob Coca-Cola.

I'll sit over here, because I think he might get a little shot.

I'll take tea.

Secretary gives me Coca-Cola.

Good, I'll be back.

There's nothing tonight to pull me up.

Yeah, with this cold.

Oh, it's the same.

I don't know what happened.

We established a technical agreement.

We decided to exchange technical information.

And we decided that's the one very much for us to go.

I would, again, if you're over there or something, I would always stop there.

Well, I think it's good for you to stop and get back here.

and at least get a good place for you to go.

Well, I, if you want, I mean, I'm just, whatever works in, you know, Spain is excellent.

Yeah, even sloppy is good.

That's good, but if you want to do it, it'll work for you.

All right, good.

It works for your schedule.

They are, they appreciate being stopped.

They are, by the way, you can get very reports out of what's happening in the state.

As many parties, there are reports, but the fact is that

I've got a friend who's doing a television show.

Colombo?

Yeah, he is doing a, I mean, Mariano Rumor is a great guy.

I maintain my contacts with him.

I see him, you know, he's now president of all the Christian Democratic parties in Europe.

Oh.

He's got a stadium station right in the office.

But you think Colombo's quite a, well, what I'd like to do, the reason the Italians go over there and then give us a little report about Europe, I'm crazy.

I'm a man now.

John, don't just take it from Colombo.

You totally don't.

You have to rely on the other friends in and outside the department.

The business guys and the others.

Jeremy, of course, thank God it's only the presidential election this year.

Well, that, of course, is going to scale these things to some extent, because Fanfani is, you know, moving off in one direction, and Morrow is going to be the president.

I think those two are aware.

It depends, you see.

In fact, if you think about Fanfani wisely, I guess the lemon would be fine in one shot.

Tony, why did you choose to become President of the Senate in September at Springfield, you know, when you have to be elected?

I'm not going to be clever at all.

We have not found him the most trustworthy, you know.

No, no.

Oh, as far as he was, he was a moral leader.

A moral son.

He's a really solid leader.

He's addressing power solidly.

He has a solid education.

Of course, we can't get into it right now.

Well, give us a little time.

I think a couple of agents have been in until they were involved.

Always.

Well, Mr. President, I don't know how you had the time.

I do want to say, for the support of the... You amaze me by your ability to...

See, I'm not this very, very commanding job.

I don't know what it is.

We all have commanding jobs, John.

Well, that's what it is.

It's operation.

Yeah.

And by the way, just so that everybody's under paid, in case you've got anything about my health, I... Robbie had a cold incident.

I had a cold.

Yeah, right.

So...

No, no, but I just went to the hospital last week for a couple of days.

I was, you know, I didn't stay for about a month until the Tuesday that came up, and then I had to come back Thursday.

Scared the hell out of me because I thought I had to make some links in my colon.

I've got to go back and have it done again three weeks from now.

Well, I haven't had it.

I had done a business check about eight years ago, and I remember it was tough, but I finally realized, well, that's not a gear stick or a gear box.

It was a muscular spasm.

I never realized that, you know, you have to spend, you know, must spend, and run, and then... You know what it is?

It's all stress.

It's stress.

I never realized that, you know, you stress down.

I'm the best expert on this in the world.

It's a book.

I'll give you a little book.

John, make a note.

I only have a bunch of actors, but we will do the new edition.

I want you to read it.

I read about 20 years ago, all that little stress and something that evens our age.

Because we got it, we got it, we got it.

You're not fine.

You look fine.

You know the thing is, you've had a horrible disappointment though, haven't I?

By the way, if you think SSP disappointed you, you should have seen me.

My God, I would be ready to tear up the place.

Because, you see, I wasn't thinking jobs in terms of transportation, jobs.

I was thinking in terms of the American society.

Take it to explore the unknown, Jesus.

You rise.

So I'm not going to the moon.

Let me tell you a conversation.

And that's not why a lot of people are sick of it, too.

They are.

They're having pains of conscience pain.

Let me tell you that.

I hope you remember each and every one you can.

I was out to the hill at a little reception in the Massachusetts Port Authority.

I gave to the Massachusetts Congressional Delegation the following week.

Go ahead.

He brought the SSG.

I didn't bring any SSGs.

I did that because I hope you're right and I hope I'm wrong, but I wouldn't be all surprised if March 24, 1971, goes down in history as one of America's dark days.

What do you mean?

I said, well, that's the day that the Congress of the United States, speaking for the people, I suppose, but it's the day on which the Senate of the United States, at least, said that technology, that progress,

that leadership, profits, and so forth, were all dirty words.

And my words, Ted, as I say, I hope I'm wrong.

Won't happen next year, two years, three years from now.

But unless we reverse this thing, I don't know how it's going to reverse if it can't be reversed, five to seven years from now, you will realize what a terrible mistake you made.

And I told him, I told Steve, you know what, he spent ten minutes with me on it, Ted, that wasn't a quick one.

The good thing I didn't talk to you before I voted, because I'm not going to vote for it.

Ted, I didn't stop to talk to you because I knew damn well that if I had been in the room, you wouldn't have supported me.

Is there anything I looked at earlier in the course that...

You know, Willie, you had various suggestions, and I, as you know, I told John, I said, God damn it, if there's any way to keep him alive, find out.

But I guess there really isn't.

There really isn't.

Jim, you'll be surprised.

Everybody's got scenes.

I've got one of that guy, Harrison.

He's still around.

Oh, he's still around.

He's still around.

for a check for 50 bucks, 10 individuals and citizens got together, gave us, put in five bucks a piece and sent me 50 bucks.

Made out the Secretary of Transportation Johnny Golding.

Let's get a movement started to get it not rigged, not capped, no, no, no.

50 bucks a piece.

I was with Justin Durk.

He said, I think that if you let it be done, that you wanted a number of companies to put up 10 million dollars a piece,

and you sold like a business, thank you.

He said you could raise $400 million, but that's too much.

He said, I've got a couple.

He said, I've got a couple of companies that would be interested.

He said, we're going to buy.

We're going to buy a family in the project.

Well, I invest.

I invest.

We, as John probably knows, I signed an agreement with the vice president of the child welfare.

in which I agree to authorize them to take all the money we get to send to them so that it's organized in one place, especially getting proposals all over the damn place.

I can terminate any time I want, no cost to the government at all.

But at least we have one focal point where these things are all being put together and we may come up with something.

Because as you said, as John just said, there are firms like, you know, Possibilities or some of these larger offices,

uh, Chase Mann back on the banks of Mexico, you know, 10 million bucks that we could raise, you know, for 500 million dollars, and, uh, uh, they could get this for, uh, 100,000 bucks.

I don't know if the other Congress would sell it for it, if they'd sell it at all.

A lot of times, and that's actually what we're talking to.

But, uh, we're staying around with them.

You know, I was president, you know, I'm selling something.

Well, yeah, let's get on with that.

Well, let me say, Mr. President, that Mrs. Volpe, the night you gave your last talk on Vietnam, said something which I think represents the viewpoint of a tremendous number of people, certainly.

I know a lot of other people, and that was that she felt that night, perhaps more than any other speaker given, and they're all good ones, but that night you, you were so kind.

She felt that you were talking right to her.

And you impressed her, impressed her tremendously.

The only comment I, actress comment I read was from my daughter, who's pretty, you've met her, she's a pretty good student too.

She said that she thought the little story at the end, she didn't use the word corny, but you and I know what, you know, sometimes, you know, it was a nice story.

It was a beautiful story.

But you know, some people go, well, did he have to add that?

You make the point.

You have it all wrapped up at that point.

I just give you that for what it's worth.

I mean, it's not miserable.

We're just not so close.

And I think it's... Well, we have to survive it.

And we have to go look all right.

Right now, for the next couple of weeks, we've got to go through these damn demonstrations again.

And not lose our heads and not panic.

You've perhaps heard some signs of what the company's doing.

I don't know whether you've heard some very favorable comments on airlines.

The first two or three months of this year, the movement was very, very small.

Very, you know, upwards, but very rapid.

The first two weeks in April, all of a sudden, they had a real surge.

Oh, you're talking about passenger...

Passenger's crime.

Oh, correct.

A month ago, they were still talking in terms of 71 being another large year.

So they feel better.

And they feel very much better.

That's two weeks of April.

John, there's another one.

You see golf clubs, we heard about that.

Golf clubs are selling better.

Boats are selling better.

The airline traffic basically is upper middle class, John, as you know.

It's upper middle class, upper middle class, only about 25%.

So that means a confidence barometer, and very much so.

That also means that businessmen, let's face it, John, you and I know, the businessmen sometimes very foolishly, when business gets a little tough, well, let's not send Joe out to San Francisco to see that dealer out there.

Well, the damn fool, he should have sent him out twice instead of once.

Because then he's got to sell.

But the average guy says, well, we can save a thousand bucks, so let's not send him out.

Well, that's a lawyer.

It's a good question.

Does he make the trip east or down?

Do you have a letter?

Yeah.

Well, this is a...

The market is always a little too... No question about it, sir.

No question.

It's 947 today.

It looks like that.

I should have done...

I just wish you got all of you were in it.

You can't even know.

Well, I didn't do mine.

You know how much you would have made?

You see what I mean?

630, 631, the day of that, to 947, that's a 50% increase.

And that's spending money.

They were murdering you that day.

No, at that whole point, you were just getting slaughtered.

That's spending money.

25% of it only is taxed.

75% is spending money.

I'm sorry, I hope you got something.

Mr. President, I just want to say that, uh, you brought me down here, you've asked me to come.

And I want to come.

I want to be on your team.

I've been very, very privileged to be on your team.

I'm not a guest, ma'am.

John knows that I will fight like hell.

I'm sure, as PM, I've fought with you.

Well, I haven't fought with you.

I've just told you what I thought, uh, should be done.

And in most cases, let me say, your timing has boosted my morale as a matter of fact.

Today we had dinner on the evening, we had dinner upstairs here, and the very next day I got a call, the president said he'd like to use Camp David this weekend.

Let me tell you, that was the weekend I needed it.

I stopped about that weekend 150%.

It was good.

I stayed with Captain Birch.

Well, we even stayed in the dock with him.

And it just is lovely.

But I just, I would just like to give you this, and I say this, and John is right here.

I mean, I don't want to pull any punches, because, you know, I speak my mind.

In the panel, outside, you know what I've said.

Yesterday, on rail track, they knocked my block up, and I still sit up there, and afterwards, the Democrats say, well, he doesn't want to be in my business sector.

I thought we may disagree, but we have to respect him, and you know what they're talking about.

But, I mean, as far as that goes, once, you know, a decision is made, we go up there, and we just, they were trying to give me more money yesterday.

And I said, I don't need any more money.

I said, look, when I need more money, we'll come up.

But give us a chance to get this thing off the ground.

They want to postpone it for six months and so forth.

And I hope, Mr. President, that as long as I mention this, a week from today, this is the 30th of April, the very next day, they will be standing officially, real facts, unless the Congress does something.

They made a lot of noise, you know, for home consumptions.

11 o'clock that morning or at any hour that morning that you could do it.

And they would like very much for you to come to the Union Station, the Board of Directors.

I'll be in California.

Welcome.

I come from the 1st Marine Division.

On that Friday.

Where are you?

Friday.

Friday the 30th.

Are you leaving that morning or are you going to be out there that day?

I'm going to leave that morning.

I don't know.

I don't know what time I suppose.

Whatever the ceremony is.

I don't know what the ceremony is.

Put it down.

I might be able to do it.

If it's... Because I have to go.

See, they're coming home in the city.

This is a way to prove a great voice on the whole of the nation's own affairs, I would want you to.

But I add that this is a day, it's a historic day.

You as the President of the United States took some leadership as a result of some recommendations that we made and we got together on and were able to stop that damn subsidy bill up there that would have murdered us.

And with the kind of directions we've been able to get.

And I...

appreciative of the fact that you focus on the kind of people we put on there.

They've gotten a guy who I had to spend almost two hours of my apartment to convince to come as the chief executive officer, Roger Lewis, of General Finance.

Oh, yes.

Who I think will do a tremendous job.

In other words, he hasn't gotten railroaded in his background, but he's going to get the...

He's a hell of a man, after all.

This is what this means, innovation and imagination.

And if it's at all possible for you to... John, just check the station.

I don't know what time the ceremony is there.

It would be a wonderful thing.

We have a red button up there.

They're going to have a car that's all, you know, repainted, all reconditioned and so forth.

It will have the Amtrak on it.

I just wanted to say that

As a cabinet member, I've tried to do my job and do it to the best of my ability.

I have my feelings.

I have that little shrug to use once in a while that Latin-Tempered boys have.

Nevertheless, we've tried to do our job.

I just want you to know that somehow sitting out there in the cabinet slot, I don't think I'm a part of the first team.

Now, I say this in all fairness, President.

I don't say it in any sense that I feel that, you know, I'm left out or anything.

But it just seems that unless you're behind these four walls in this White House building, you're not a part of the team.

Now, I know John is around enough hours a day for John, around enough hours a day for you, around enough hours a day for me.

I'd like to feel that we do have, as Cabinet members, a contribution to make.

Now on the reorganization, I had gone through, you remember my speaking at Cabinet meeting about reorganization last year, I had gone through this whole thing in business.

You know, we saw they had 177 agencies, my successors, and I just put into effect 11 agencies instead of 177.

Yet John Goldie wasn't consulted when I ordered John Goldie in.

just a couple of days before it was announced.

But I don't know how many governors were consulted, mayors were consulted.

Maybe other cabinet members were consulted, I don't know.

But this cabinet member was not consulted on the reorganization.

He had involved my department.

I didn't know he involved my department, but he did involve my department.

Now, I'm not speaking from the point of view, well, now, you know, maybe John doesn't know, but I'm going to stay around.

I'm not speaking from that point of view at all, because as far as I'm concerned, you can get this reorganization through, Mr. President.

And regardless of what I'm saying now, I am working my full head off and will continue to work like hell to try to get it approved, because I believe you're on the right track.

I believe that something has got to be done to make this federal establishment of ours more manageable.

But I would just like to feel that as cabinet members, or at least speaking just to myself, not to anybody else, that, you know, we are people who have had a certain amount of experience, particularly some of us who have served in public life before.

We do get out amongst the people, of course, from time to time.

And we do get some feedback.

And I would just... What do you feel about some of these things?

to make a contribution if you were .

Well, in this situation, it did involve one of them, Michael Novak, and I didn't know anything about this.

You know, what was, what came out?

I knew that that council was investigating regarding the possibility of reorganization.

to talk with you?

No, they came over and asked me, they came over and gave me a briefing, John, on the environmental, remember the one that was, shall we create a department of natural resources?

That was the impression.

Well, that's a, that's a failure.

You should have done that.

I, I had a briefing from them on, on, on the environmental.

Everybody, every organization, I assume.

Well, I, I just didn't, never got any indication of that at all.

As I say, I learned about it just two days before it was announced.

You, I'll make your office, John.

We're trying to get on, we're trying to get the,

We're going to participate on the cabinet meeting on Tuesday.

We're going to agree to react and now we're going to go through what's going on Tuesday.

I'm talking now about the opportunity to make an input.

long before the decision period has come, Mr. President.

Because that will, when two days before the announcement is going to be made, you know, when I know that the printing hall is involved and everything else, it's just too late to try to make a decision.

Well, at both these stages, Mr. President, you may not agree to that.

This is good.

We're going to try to.

But I think, John, it is important that we have officers.

You see, the difficulty is, John, is that each of you are so busy.

Like, George is in here.

He's the biggest one of our number, man, of our power.

So we've got to have an easy hand with Mitchell and, for example, the...

the hopeful matter of whether or not you have the housing subs when they were found.

And we have the effort on a daily basis.

So that is a matter, frankly, which we've seen with them about that you've got special real facts that you want to get.

And the next one is that there are some things that are more parallel in nature.

And we're trying to find, I'd like to see more cases where people

There's some who have something contributed in general and they shouldn't participate.

I see your point there.

Reorganizations is a general problem.

Revenue is actually a general problem.

But we did have some conversations on that.

And remember, we had family assistance.

We had everybody sit in on that.

But not as greedy a job for the domestic council as I see it.

The President is on the reorganization, Mr. President.

You have a Secretary of Transportation, I have a Secretary of Commerce, I have a Secretary of Relation.

There's going to be one man heading that organization.

The present proposal calls for men to be called administrators, who are now members of the cabinet and are called secretaries.

Now in practically every other nation in the world, these men, they are secretaries, but they're the number two man.

And I would just like to make the suggestion that possibly that top man, your top eight men, be called ministers.

Now, every other nation in the world calls them ministers, you know.

When the country was founded, everybody said, oh, ministers sound too much like royals or something, but that would be done one nod above.

Just like you have a secretary.

There was a minister for the Minister of...

of Foreign Affairs, the Minister of Defense, the Minister of this and that, and then call the other secretaries.

Secretary of Defense.

You have a Secretary of Defense.

Well, you could have a Minister of Defense.

Yes.

And then the Secretary of the Army, Secretary of Defense.

You did that over there.

You could still call the Secretary of Defense, you see.

I see your difference.

Your idea, though, is not to have anybody.

You wouldn't have the Secretary of the Secretary, Secretary of the Secretary.

No.

You'd have a different name.

And then you would have, Mr. President, the secretaries then could be kept at the same level they're now at level one.

I'm not talking about John Colby.

I mean, I'm talking about the people who are coming after us.

Those people, it's hard not to track down good people.

Now, those people could be retained at level one where they are now.

Then the super secretary or minister should come.

Then he could be put at a greater slot above that when you call him executive level A.

He's another executive level one or whatever it might be.

Then, and instead of 60,000, maybe they'd be 60,000, 5,000, 70,000, something like that.

Then those eight ministers would be your cabinet.

And the other man below them would be secretaries.

And if you chose a secretary to be, for instance, the head of the labor group in the Ministry of Economic Affairs,

I think this is very, very good for soccer.

Because, on the present plan, he becomes 11-3.

In fact, I've got two administrators with a lot of twos.

And it's actually our connotation to say, well, we're at the small level here.

Which is, I believe, that that has to be better with the college.

I think some of that, we've got to, the whole reorganization thing has to be adjusted to the realities.

We have to probably get through also.

It's not going to be a flag or something.

I mean, it's what it is.

There's special other things.

There's lots of other things.

Mr. President, I think you have some other real problems.

I think the airport airways in Southern Lansing, John Dean, were asked to trust fund them last year, and I'm just getting slaughtered.

Now, you can tell me, you're going to allow the enemy guns to pay user taxes to put in a trust fund for the airports, and now you allow them to use that airport money?

for transit, for highways, for anything that we want, for subsidies, for operating.

And that's the kind of travel that I'm on.

And that's especially where it was only created last year.

Now, the highly...

Hold on, I'm talking now about what matters about the other people, what uses, the people who are being developed, you tell.

I want to see him before he goes.

Let me say one other thing about you.

After you call me, you are going to see him.

One Latin word he loves, I think, as well.

I don't know if you want to hear it.

The reason is that he discovered he and the people around him got to be more aware of the name.

That'll be there in Latin America.

He's got some people, some of his people around him are fine.

Some of them are not.

I don't mean they're conference, but they don't see the name.

And the Pope, I think, is, every time I talk to him, I think he'd be able to say, I don't care how good they are, they'll win.

Church, you've just got to stand up here and see.

Now, they don't see the problem before the end of the year, but just, you know, do it on the basis of what you find, not what I tell you, so that you can say, now, you know, Your Holiness, I believe that, you see my point?

I'm getting a message going a few other ways.

Yes, I don't know whether you'll have time to do that, but when you go, you lay in this territory of worries and problems.

John, the Catholic Church in Latin America, just like the damn Protestant Church in the United States, is turning to be in many cases into a very, very

close level of operation.

Well, yes, they're good.

I mean, they've got Catholic Church, they've got a security investment, they've got these priests out there, you know, raising hell.

You've got some terrible children.

Understand, I'm not against social reform, neither are you, and I'm not against liberal priests.

I must say, if I ever go, I wouldn't allow it.

I'd fight it.

I think the church will lose.

The church will lose, believe me.

I don't know what you're thinking.

I think the church will lose.

And then if they go hog wild on, you know, trying to be just like the, shall we say, the high-end educators.

I can't get my hand up there.

Do you hear what I'm saying?

Excuse me.

And, well then, how are they different?

Don't you think there's a problem?

Oh, I know there's a big problem in that church, and I know that the total baggage that seems to be leaning to the right side of it, and the conversation is related to it.

The same kind of people that are calling upon the church to forget its religious mission, actually, to be down-involved in social action, are the ones that don't worry about communism.

Damn it, John, they better worry about Congress.

I've been to Congress.

You go to Yugoslavia.

You'll see what happens.

Even there, a flurry of the Congress members is what happens.

Now, I was not sure I saw Mr. President.

Do you know what it is?

What?

Paul.

He's a neighbor of a home that has to recognize the Polish church.

But boy, things are the hell of a lot.

They can't move too far off, you know.

Just if it's a good sign that he's familiar with what he's ready.

I hope that somewhere along the line, we can say a good word about civil service from time to time.

Civil service?

On the reorganization plan, Mr. President, number one, they can help to get it, to get it through, and number two, it won't be worth a damn, it won't work for a moment, if they're not on our side.

And once in a while, we tend to kind of degrade, you know, and kind of, you know, fool that civil servant.

You know, he's a cop, right?

He's a cop.

The latest in the day.

He's a cop.

I swear to the civil service commissioner here tomorrow.

Oh, I'll give you a chance.

I'll give you a chance.

Well, I'll do that.

All right.

One thought I'd like to put in mind, Mr. President, is that I've tried to do this myself and I've been warned that it's been very successful.

Every week, I take a half hour of a coffee hour, and I call in one of my assistant secretaries, just together with about six, seven, eight of his colleagues, and just have a coffee with them.

Generally, all I see is the assistant secretary, and on occasion, but I don't get to see those other four, five, or six fellows that really make that assistant secretary job grow.

I see my federal highway administrator, I see my county administrator, I see my federal aviation administrator, but I don't want to see that layer of six or seven or eight people who make the thing tick.

And so I spend, let's say, 20 minutes even, just to have a cup of coffee.

And my hope was that you might give consideration to the possibility.

Okay.

be enabled on a quarterly basis, let's say, every three months that you could do it, whereby you might invite a cabinet member and his undersecretary, his deputy undersecretary, his secretary of administration to the shophouse.

and invite them over just for a cup of coffee.

Some of them have never seen you, Mr. President.

Some of them know you by television.

Some of them, you know, over.

You, sir, came to my department, for instance, over two years ago.

My assistant secretary is an administrator.

In my shop, it involves about 50 people.

Other shops, they're only about seven or eight, because they don't do a new structure now.

And thank you for adopting the structure we have now, because that was done yesterday.

I think it would be very helpful, I mean, to these people, particularly since, and I don't know why this has been done, they no longer fight it, I can't invite my assistant secretary or the minister to do something one way or the other.

We used to do, we were able to do this, and this was only one way, you know, they could feel it.

Uh, they didn't, you know, work in line, and should not go out.

I think it's, we do it by, which means there's a department, which, you know, I don't know.

I don't know if anybody from my staff, from my workshop territory, you know, wants it.

I was able to hold that back for myself.

Now, as I say, if it were possible to, because these are guys, I'm picking out some of the questions.

These are guys from various states.

We get their strengths.

I wish I could.

Maybe there's somebody on the working team that could have each of their cabinet members say, look, give me the names of the back of the shop where William Woodley, a student,

who can make the answer to the question, what states are not being force affected and what instruments are good.

And on occasions, Donald may not go to represent you, or it's a small group, and Assistant Secretary goes off and says, I'm representing the President of the United States.

I can tell you what a tremendous lift it gives them.

It gives me a tremendous lift when I go out and I say, I'm here representing President Nixon.

And if that could be done, it would be superior to that of our President.

Thank you.

Well, no, I'm not a questioner, or just a little commenter could be on here.

In the cabinet room, I'm not talking about inviting a gang of two or three hundred people.

What I'm talking about is about every quarter, every three months, you will see one department head together with his eight or ten, twelve top people, actually.

So that'll take, I suppose, with twelve cabinets, what are they, three weeks?

Right now, three per month.

You would have three different cabinet members in less than once a week at each department four times a year.

That's right.

I think the President would be able to see these men, to get a little bit from, you know, somebody saying, look, yeah, I know I can send them over to the President.

I had a chance to chat with him.

I had a cup of coffee with him.

They go home and tell the fans about him.

I think it's great.

I just want to say that I think it's a particularly good job.

Some you see in the state, and I see those guys because they're always in there.

We do see more than just the last.

Yeah, that's right.

But what I mean, I see a social security agent, I see a social security agent, and I see the Department of Justice, the Department of Transportation, the Department of the Doctorate, they're always in on Saturday night.

Well, don't worry, you're not going to get a problem with the station.

Commerce, Lake Terrier.

Lake Terrier we see more than that because we're working on Lake Terrier.

Lake Terrier we don't see.

Agriculture we don't see much.

Only three in agriculture.

But I see the point.

I think what you're really talking about is not, you're not talking about all farms.

You're talking about those that don't get any farmland.

Because they're actually operating in areas that are pretty independent.

But on the other hand, I can meet with them, you know, and try to tie them up, but no, they all feel when they come in, they give up a great deal of time just to let it go in from San Diego, where there's no such basis for environmental existence.

And, uh, I don't know, he won't be the president at all, uh, yet I've got other jobs in D.C. to come.

Uh, he's come, and it would be nice to know some day if he can be invited to a Sunday morning worship, or some day to a...

I think we have, I'll tell you this, I don't know who they are, but those churches, they came up through the lines there last night, and they're all so narrow-married, by the way.

The whole commission was there.

I don't know who else, but they filled them up.

There was a lot of demand for those services.

I know there were some kind of a board of commerce there last night.

But you can check to see if they're making what they're doing, just trying to get it out of the hall one at a time.

Oh, I believe you have.

Good.

A couple months ago.

First of all, people make up for him since then.

He's a great father.

I worked a great time with him.

Do you like him?

He's a great son.

Now, you know, he's got family.

He has to live in the South.

I appreciate it, but I'll see you.

And John, work out the, uh, on the, uh, arm tech, uh, other things on the surgery.

I, I, I don't think there's a, there's a thing there.

What happened?

Is that there's something?

No, I don't see it.

All right.

Thank you.

Yeah, okay, fine.

How is the rest?

It's okay.

It's been good, wasn't it?

It's been good.

Goodbye.

There's a small amount of trust out there.

There won't be anything for her to do.

No, that's right.

Just, you know, here's the thing.

You're right on that.

There's something to do.

All right.

Well, I thought we'd walk out of there.

What about us?