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It's great to see them when you walk in the office.

They should go back.

Yeah.

But the whole office looks better.

It really does.

It's just when you walk in the door.

I don't feel it.

It's so beautiful.

I think actually the winter back then.

Who knows that?

Well, we'd see after when the trees lose their leaves, it's probably better to have it closed.

Also, then the sun's lower in the sky, so you get more, you have more of a sun problem in the summertime.

Really?

Terrific.

I'm going to get closer.

Think how many plants are there?

and turn it off.

And it would seem like it's a good thing not to have happen at this point.

Let the attention focus on the federal government.

In fact, that's going to go on the Congress.

Let it focus on that.

I don't know.

They seem to think they can't just on the basis of all the problems around it or something.

It would make a big thing out of federal employees demonstrating against the federal government, which doesn't seem to have any

Who the hell are they?

I think they had to move the word better since they got enough problems to have a piece.

It's got to remember it.

Of course, it wouldn't make any difference if they didn't.

The reason for not letting them do it is the TV will make such a big thing.

I'd rather play them out, but fine.

down, clean people down.

How will they drive on the ground?

I don't know.

They've got to move around.

Right now, they have a permit.

They filed for a permit and got it.

So they have to move on some other grounds.

But I think they've got to do it on the basis of the other activity here or something.

Or with...

It's a little better to be out on something else.

Oh, gee.

Yeah.

There's an alert release for clean air.

Whatever the dirtiest damn people there are, they throw crap all over the place.

Right?

Yeah.

Well, they call it, you might try to clean a storm.

No.

It is sometimes.

One of those fractures yesterday.

That at least answers the charge.

I think, well, this person, he is.

Six senators at the moment, possibly some more being added this afternoon.

We'll speak tomorrow on the attacking Muskie and Humphrey in particular.

I don't know the name, but really keep the courage.

We've sent a lot of speeches this morning.

Scott's going to join me today.

So I'm not confident.

I'm pretty cool with condemning yesterday's demonstrations while he has endorsed them.

And in fact, encouraged them.

Muskie obviously put his open endorsement of the vehicle on the board for the demonstration.

And he's visiting me here.

They're just on the map sending oranges.

They'll be sending oranges today.

That's who I've heard that from.

Kenny or somebody from California.

Very hard to find.

Anyway, what's Kenny doing with all this?

He's out of town.

Can you handle him?

We've been trying to get him to fire us up.

It really is.

He stayed off that damn television thing with all those guys.

This comes up.

He pops out of town.

He was with the veterans.

Just incredible.

He put on that flag jacket with the presidential seal on it to go down and talk to the veterans.

He's playing at the smartest of all.

He said nothing to say about April 24th that he did it.

He had been out with the Vietnam veterans against the war.

He had a comment yesterday in his office, but not a comment.

The report is four times yesterday and once again this morning, and still didn't get a comment.

He's not going to get caught on this one.

That was the time for you to charge up our guy.

I should just, I should take the offense.

But he's a goddamn believer.

Man, I'll teach you something.

They all ought to get up there and stand up and kick on the balls.

Well, Jesus Christ, just think what they do to us if we've been involved in such things.

They're going to target a whole bunch of them.

Just say that they're being thrown around there.

You've got to get the impression that they're out there.

They have condoned it.

They're missing the sign.

Well, this is really great.

For Christ's sakes, if they could take us on for those silly damn virtues, what the hell are they going to do with these people?

These people are part of them.

They come into their offices.

They all have the same contributors.

Well, this group that has caused the trouble this week was a co-sponsor of Vehicle 24.

This is not a guilt by association.

This is direct.

These guys, one week we're for it, and then when we get out of hand, they're against it.

It's the hypocrisy of it that I think is the grounds for that.

There are also some comments to this.

I think we can go a little higher against these folks.

This week has re-raised the whole social issue.

I think so, Mr. President.

I think the people coming out of Washington, as we shared with you, it doesn't take much to provoke once again

They don't like kids, but they're smoking pot and they're dirty and raising hell.

Blocking traffic and being lost and vandals, destruction, destroying traffic.

You've never watched George, but if you observe or so the last few minutes of any of these seniors last night, it's absolutely better than any Laurel and Hardy company that I've ever seen.

Did you see it?

Was that when he hit the guy in the face?

He was carrying his raincoat and his umbrella and he never let go of it and he kept going around and he'd pick up a trash can and it was all, it was like an old silent movie except you could hear the trash can with no voices.

And he'd move it out of the street from the downstairs and move it back and eventually

NBC camera man just pops him in the nose and all you could see was the camera.

But, but, some of the frustration ended.

But, what people saw when they saw that were just decent citizens who were pretty fed up with garbage being thrown in the street.

Good.

I think one thing, though, is that this gives a bad name to the whole demonstration.

Yes.

Nobody's going to stop it, you know what I mean?

Hey, it's the last act they remember.

I don't care that a lot of people are running that group.

He was in that demonstration in Washington.

He's gonna remember the 24th.

democracy, they endorsed it down here.

In other words, I wasn't even trying to say that they distinguished it.

I wouldn't say they changed their minds.

I would say let it be noted that the people that endorsed it, Humphrey is endorsed it, Teddy Kennedy is endorsed it, Hinton too, he is endorsed it.

Then let them deny it.

The way to make the charge is to discharge that they endorsed the demonstration.

Then let them deny it.

That's the way to do it.

He set the stage for that beautiful event.

Then he gave a speech that was well-reported in which he said,

Let all those who have called for these demonstrations and encouraged all the Democrats in it come forward now and insist on the preservation of order in Washington.

And he gave it a broad brush, which is what I'm sure Carl Sondland is disavowing, I guess, to the exception of Senator Biden.

It's alright.

You're suggesting, Senator, that you approve violence, but how is the cause?

Well, that point we make some of it's going to be tomorrow.

Yes.

Some of the House lawyers are talking in the session, you know, Devine.

Devine's a little group that's at a job, speaking of that.

Oh, yeah, they're great.

For example, some of our judges, they just fight.

They talk to their defendant, Hoover, and nobody pays any attention to them.

That's right.

What's happened to Boggs?

It doesn't end every day.

They hit Boggs and defend Hoover every day.

There's a... Just because one guy just keeps the drumbeat going on, that's a leap of faith.

Incidentally, I think Uber is an issue now.

I think Uber is an issue.

This is a good time.

Everybody in Florida, ask the Democratic candidates to say, let them all come up for getting retired.

It's all right.

Well, if you get a little bit of a lot of other concern in the country as a result of what happened this week, it becomes a very bad time politically to take Uber.

What do you think?

The rest of the United States.

Yeah, it doesn't care.

We're going to just get over the capital down here.

Yeah.

No, no.

She came to indicate that there were other bombing clubs she was involved in.

She entered?

Mm-hmm.

She said that she's in the capital bombing, but she's... No, but she's... How the hell does that 19-year-old girl get involved with such a damn thing?

She's living here with one of those guys.

Right.

She's got me in.

This was organizing this, I guess, these affairs.

That's great.

Yeah.

That's great.

Keep that, what was it, $350,000?

Let me say this, the other thing, the other thing is this, that this, this, the networks will quickly recover.

They must be dying, don't you think?

I'm sure they needed to run it, but it's an error out of the rest.

Jesus Christ must be dying, so I understand.

But there can't be an hour to be able to see.

Thank you.

But my point is,

They had to run with it.

Finally, finally had to run with it.

This is really the first time they've run it nasty.

They didn't run it, you know, November 15th.

They've really run nasty stuff since Chicago.

And the point, and the point was Cronkite did not let people forget what I said when he said this is not dissimilar from Chicago.

We've already seen him.

Is he complaining about, uh,

Big poppies would get hit though.

He said, he said, he said, a lot of that got rubbed up.

These police didn't rub anybody up.

Except some of the damn bombs.

You know, the police handled it good.

Most of the footage that was shown on this thing was good as far as the police are concerned.

They showed it using a lot of their strength.

They couldn't avoid the government and the good-ass things.

And they're gone.

I suspect they'll be more.

Is the position of the administration clear that we're tough and strong and firm?

Yes, sir.

No doubts about that.

Nobody's wheeling about our position.

You know, that's across the country now.

Well, I didn't see much, you know, in Washington.

But do you think it is getting across?

I think so.

Yes, sir.

And your message remains.

Very good time.

It really did.

That went on the national archives.

And on the network.

And on the other fan paper site.

The people that have something on it.

It's coming out for the chief.

That's good.

The law order.

Well, he didn't do it.

He announced it to his troopers.

Smart.

I'll show you what a fellow called.

He's a sort of a George Patton type guy.

And yesterday, he was out.

They made the point that he was out on the front lines at 4 o'clock yesterday morning, and he covered every trouble point.

He was zooming all over the city.

He got out of his squad car.

He got out of his chief's car and got in the side car of his escort's motorcycle and headed around and out of the cars and stuff.

He led the charge up the hill to get a bunch of...

You know, Bill was a nice, great, gentle, great guy.

And when he went on Friday to the Republican senators, he, uh, to brief them.

And the Congress took him up.

He went up to this Helena and this Rocky Toney for three years.

And he just impressed the hell out of these guys.

And then they said to him, Chief, what are you going to do for us?

And he said, you pitch your own police force up here unless you, unless you send this bill with these.

They've always been jealous of that stupid Capitol Police horse, and they ought to clean it up.

Well, his line yesterday showed great skill, you know, and they said, well, don't you think you've moved too hard, too fast on him?

He said, well, let the American people be the judge of that.

So are we lucky?

Are we lucky to have him?

We really are.

But we got him rather than some dumb jerk like, you know, I wish we could have that jackass Murphy who's in New York, or jackass David.

I mean, he programs, too.

We talked to him Saturday night about things he should say, and he just took it word for word, and he did the same thing Sunday.

What's his background?

That's what he said.

He's got to find out.

He has a Southern drawl.

What's his name?

I'd like to know.

Education.

This guy's got to be a hell of a thought.

He's got to be.

He's got great talent.

I don't care whether he likes school or not.

He's got talent, such as you don't have on most of our bureaucrats.

It's unbelievable.

There's no fire.

He's got guns.

Nothing bothers him.

He blows.

Otherwise, that last demonstration when they were attacking the Justice Department, he went in there and ordered the crowd to disperse.

They didn't disperse it.

He personally threw the first tear gas canister in.

He took it out and lobbed it in himself.

Oh, yeah.

That was last year.

That's how.

That's right.

Back in the late March on Justice Department.

And you're the first can.

Yeah.

And it was well-coordinated for us doing it.

Damn right.

He made sure.

He's, like, very patent-like.

He made sure the cameras were there.

And then he got on the boat, learned, you know, in order to disperse, and he logged the tear gas.

It's a way to handle it.

With this kind of a police force, you've got to have a guy like that, because you've got to

You've got a potentially taking police force in here because they keep pouring these blocks in.

He keeps them fired up.

He keeps them, he keeps the street .

That was, you know, we knew that the veterans had been, had hurt us.

I don't know what we knew.

It could be temporary, but we got a bit out of this we didn't expect.

Don't you think?

Absolutely.

That may have, may have reissued, reissued.

What about the idea that some of the new summer hills seem to make up, well, it just raised the war issue again.

But if it hurts, you don't think so?

To the extent that it raises it, Mr. President, it causes people to arch their backs and say, well, we're not going to push around like kids in the street.

And if it raises it, it raises it in a helpful way.

The reason that the doves are saying what they are saying is because it's set up

They're worried on the Hill that if they announce they're pressing for an immediate legislative end to the war, it'll look like they caved in to this kind of protest in the street.

It has a gallows speech to be made.

The policy is to be made in the Senate, and it's not to be in the House, and it's not to be made in the streets.

They always start cracking that hard.

That's one of the speeches we have up to now.

That's the line they've been...

The other side is very...

They're moaning about, you know, this is going to kill them, govern them.

I don't believe it's...

It raises the war issue, from our standpoint, in a negative way.

Maybe it raises a little more of the war concern.

The one thing that I think bothered him on the news, maybe wasn't a very good idea, was this helicopter landing on the ground.

That's when I sort of understand it.

I don't think it was 2005.

What was the point?

The streets were open.

They could have driven in.

Why did they come in in helicopters and stage a big thing, you know?

Yeah.

What I mean is, that may pop up in the general theory of the helicopter man, and people like that, too.

They hear that from Lou Reed and everything all the time.

Probably right.

Helicopters, sure, they're coming in there in a helicopter, you know.

You know how the kids get out to play.

Hell, they love it.

If we're right on the basic, it adds to the drama.

If you're not right on the basic issue, it's making a difference.

That's what I think.

The whole key to that is that it protected the flag.

I'm glad that that ball over there saved it.

Conrad, I sent you my parole recommendation.

Yeah, that's good.

And another thing, too, is that, by God, I do.

Did you find anybody that's willing to walk up and tear down your gun?

That'd be a complex.

I want to tear it down every place they have it.

We've still got to mobilize.

Somebody's got to do that.

We can't have that flag flying around here.

Fight.

Get in the fight about that.

That's a lonely thing to get into a fight about.

Nobody has the right to carry a black enemy around here.

Don't you agree?

Well, you didn't.

I agree with you.

They were flying inside the compound yesterday.

Where they, where they did get the iron hats or somebody.

Well, the iron hats turned out when Pennsylvania grabbed them.

How much money do you want?

So you were paying fine to the Derby and then you paid $10, across the board, on Jim Frantz.

What did he say?

$2,000.

And I would have had $3 or $4.

Yeah.

Anyway, that's fine.

She had something she wanted to talk to you about, though.

She had something.

It'll only take a few minutes.

Oh, he had requested it.

Fine.

Yes, I think rather than take it upstairs, I'm going to have to trade it in my office.

So, thank you for talking to me.

Did you have a good time down there?

I had a wonderful time.

It was exhausting, but it was just great.

Everyone was, you know, a lot of good people.

Went to the Whitney party.

Good.

Lex Lucey went to his mother's for dinner.

She's a, looks just like Lucey.

Uh-huh.

And so, went to the, when we went to Derby, we went to the governor's service, of course, and went with then Dr. Ernst Singleton, he's president of the University of Kentucky now, went with us to Derby, and they were silent.

He was, he worked for Johnson somewhere.

And I think it was the first with the Stradler or something.

But he's your type of, you know what I mean?

He's really, I was very interested in talking to him.

But Lennon helped pick him up.

And he did, you know, he was saying he always liked Jack Kennedy.

He did not like Bobby anything.

Teddy just had something.

And it was interesting.

It was really, I came back then and played with the Mitchells.

It really wasn't.

There were not a lot of people who, you know.

Yeah, we'll come and work with you tomorrow.

A lot of them.

Garbage and the papers and everything's running inside the car.

I thought I'd push one Volkswagen Bug up, oh, eight or ten, push it right into the side of a woman's car, a woman was sitting, held up in traffic.

It was back in our loft, and they just pushed it right inside of us.

Just right inside of us.

I think they hurt themselves.

They did.

They did, because I think it was great when they saw citizens without pushing them around.

We got it right inside of us.

I called the chief, and they all reported me, reported everybody, and I called Matt and the chief all the way.

We've got a rest of 8,000 remaining people.

That's good, too.

We're going to play a hotline team.

So they're saying this morning now, they're having a rally, that they're going to be telling all of them to no violence at all, you know?

Yeah.

They're still in March on, just as in March 9th Street, they said.

No violence.

The way of the future is something else.

You know, there's going to be something different.

That's right.

They're awful-looking people.

Are they?

They got the long hair and hair.

Oh, long hair and dirty and totally carny-looking people.

American people sing.

Now, they were veterans.

People react differently.

But these people, they don't have to sing for a bunch of damn kids.

Yeah.

Out there singing and crazy.

All on dope.

Oh, yeah.

That's what those are.

But really, they're too great to think of.

I'm glad that Humphrey and all the rest are trying.

They're trying to repudiate it.

Too late.

That's too late.

They've been with them all this time.

Santa wasn't quite...

I had a busy time.

I was one of the best members there.

The Marines, and another best member, Sally.

She used to be so great.

You know, I really feel that a real, this finally turned out to be great.

It took a little time.

We finally got on top, and networks have tried desperately to make these people look peaceful and decent, you know, and everything.

Finally, the networks had to report it.

They had to have it.

They were a lousy bunch of bastards.

They were.

Don't you think so?

And I think it was just great.

I think so, too.

Walter Amberger would tell you that he would sit there and give a pool to more checkers, you know, that place up there in England, that fire place or country place.

He said he wanted to give a gift to, he wanted to give a gift to that place in memory of that meeting.

It wasn't the same prime minister, but he was a prime minister in Queens.

And what this prime minister would like is approval.

He isn't going to put that out publicly yet.

Good.

Because that's where they're going to get it.

I thought that he did.

He's very good about this tactic.

Wonderful idea.

They can have a nice pool.

They need that.

Yeah.

They need it.

You bring her in, and she'll know that it's the law.

She knows it's the law.

Yes, and I'll tell her.

I'll come get it.

Amen.

No, no, you're with her.

She's come with you.

It says you're with her.

Just stand and sit down with her.

I know.

I see.