On May 4, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Jeane L. Dixon, and Rose Mary Woods met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:35 pm and 1:11 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 490-017 of the White House Tapes.
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Well, hello there.
How are you?
How are you?
Good to see you.
Sit down.
She's talking to you.
She's talking to Chase.
Yeah.
I had this ultimate emergency this morning.
She said, hey, my hair's going to be used for you.
I went to the dentist.
And?
Let's go to the church.
So there, and everything.
And I said, I'm used to the dentist.
I sure am.
And so I said, well, look.
So I went back to the dentist, and we went back.
What do you mean?
You had an emergency.
You had a dental emergency.
Yes.
What was it, a, uh...
He, uh, I guess it's going to end up as a match, that's the truth about it.
But he's the one to take care of it.
Oh, he's not...
He's the best dentist in the world.
He's the best dentist in the world.
He's the best dentist in the world.
You still don't know the case.
Yes, I haven't.
You don't know the case.
I'm talking to you about my case.
And, uh, it becomes...
I know it.
I know.
I was going to have the last care unit of treatment for you.
Oh, I didn't know... You were worried a bit about the match.
I practically had a miracle happen this morning.
It was a miracle.
It was a miracle.
And that was from the dentist's office to here.
From the dentist to my office to here.
And I was delayed by 30 minutes.
And there was a group of the revolutionaries.
And they were out with the cops gathering money.
To get the people out of jail.
Yes.
So then I gathered them together.
Because I think you can catch more flies with money than you can with paper.
And to recognize me.
Or there's a team that's now all over my home ground.
So I asked what they were doing.
And do you know how much it gives you as a woman?
So I talked with them almost 45 minutes.
And I gave them a $10 bill to get one person out of jail.
And this is what I did.
They were going to change them all around.
We're going to start a new youth group.
Let's start with this woman.
And this youth group is going to unite under the presence of the United States.
And I would have some of these revolutionaries standing in my office.
So we talked about the revolutionaries and why they wanted to control the government.
And who are the presidents?
I talked about the president would love to have him.
And I talked about President Johnson not being able to.
But I didn't have a president now who really could speak.
And then, now remember, I go back to the year 1949, and that was before these youngsters were born.
Yeah, 22 years ago.
And these youngsters, yeah, and these were youngsters.
I go back to the year, of course, when I started talking, because I am a religious person.
And I believe in God, and I believe in His law and mission and verse.
And I said, I remember when I was your age, and I remember the things that God made me do.
God always sent a believer at the precise right time.
And I said, I remember having my first international interview in 1949.
And one of the questions was, there was a young man that accomplished the meditation.
His soul curled up and so had the confidence.
Is he going to finish?
Well, I couldn't give the answer.
I said, no, I don't have the answer.
But give me the formula and let me meditate on it.
So I meditated on it.
I took him 10 minutes to get the answer.
And I got your challenge.
You wonder why I had been taking the challenge of the Bible.
I said, on television, I said, it's because it is God's plan for you, for you to be president of the United States.
And then I hear God saying that we might have the right time.
So we have to.
We might under him.
And I said, remember the Bible says where there's a house, you divide it.
A house in itself, the Bible cannot stand, cannot endure.
So we will not endure.
And then they talked about how much better it would have been with Russia.
And what the moon expects it to do with it.
And they had been created in their way the same way that the Lord intended Dixon to be created.
And I said, he's here now to lead us to Christ, to create us.
And so we had to go.
Now, and so how did we do this?
Now, this is my poem.
This is, you know, something, when I was writing this, I was all over it.
But I really didn't have to do it.
I said, remember, you are going with a magic family that's one generation from now.
That's what you're going with.
We have a magic family, in fact, that just goes from one administration to another.
And in the meantime, Congress is always fighting it out.
And now then, how could our president be able to negotiate things if he had a Congress that was working with him, but he doesn't have a Congress working with him?
So what you do, we all get together as a band, united one under the hand of our Father, our Father, and that's our presence.
And it has to be his.
Send him to us, our Lord, at this particular site now.
And then, what we're going to do, we're going to do, you go in there, and I'm going to say, have an obvious word with the president, so he can bring a bunch of people, and you're not going to present them.
And we must unite them together.
And you got quite good.
I really got good.
Is that good?
Yeah, well, I'll tell you.
Maybe you did so almost anything I did.
I got it.
That sure did well.
I really did.
And so I gave him 10,000.
And now I've got it.
I've got it.
Yeah, I've got it.
I've got it.
I've got it.
I've got it.
How do you mean that?
I'm going to get rid of it.
I'm going to get rid of it.
I'm going to get rid of it.
I'm going to get rid of it.
I'm going to get rid of it.
I'm going to get rid of it.
I'm going to get rid of it.
I'm going to get rid of it.
I'm going to get rid of it.
I'm going to get rid of it.
I'm going to get rid of it.
I'm going to get rid of it.
I'm going to get rid of it.
I'm going to get rid of it.
I'm going to get rid of it.
Because I didn't start it.
I remember, I know, there in a while I would be down.
How do you stand with Governor Kirk?
I don't think I was going to take this.
Lord, I'm going to use yesterday after tomorrow.
Kirk?
Yes.
Oh, I mean, he's the person who put all the laws in the election.
I don't mean, I'm the governor right now.
What's his name?
Oh, the governor?
Yes.
Very well.
Very well.
The Democrat.
The Axe.
Axe.
Axe.
He's a good man.
He's all right.
He's all right.
You can give him my vest.
And he's been very, very friendly.
I'm not giving you my vest.
No, no, no.
I'm not giving anyone your vest.
No one knows I'm here.
And nobody's going to want me.
The fellow down there, that Democratic governor, he's supported me several times.
And what I mean here is, of course, it is behind you because, you see, I have a big thing here, but the Bible's behind me.
She and I have been stuck, and I've been doing it for a while.
So, the consequences, I've got that working for us.
Now, I'm going to get all these high horses, and I'm going to get them behind me.
Well, if you could do that, you're the miracle worker.
You should see it.
I'll show you my books that I have.
Every university that I have spoken at, and I've spoken at nine now, there's only one writer's book that I have of the thousands.
The Mississippi had 5,000.
And the University of Colorado and Boulder, they were going to stay in Congress of America.
I had them up there staying in Congress of America before that.
Yes, sir.
I bet that was hard.
And the faculty was just fantastic at that.
And then I had, I just came from Monarch, two weeks ago.
And that was a revelation.
New Jersey.
New Jersey, yeah.
And that was something.
But I could always count, and they were going to...
I had .
They said they would not sing .
I said, all right, now I'm your guest speaker.
If I don't have you coming, are you listening to me?
Then you can come up here, and I'll share the microphone.
I said, well, I have those pictures.
And were they something, this little boy with, what he called the president, what he called the congressman, something like that.
I said, oh, they're getting to the truth.
And he's been dealing with it.
So he did.
And I said, then he was with someone else.
And they talk about the Ten Commandments.
And I said, you were just talking about the Ten Commandments.
And this is what you say.
What does that say, the Ten Commandments?
He couldn't find anything.
But when I come to apologize, they apologize to his name, and he's saying, God bless America.
You have no idea what's going on.
I think you've got to be on the case.
Connie, these, uh, these, uh...
When you do, how long do you talk?
Do you have a question time for a service?
Question time.
Now, when I started my speeches, I have done this every time that I've been a law.
I had people listening to the state of the art of marriage.
I had three waitresses and two scavengers, and then I had three of my senator friends, and three of my congressional friends, and a Democrat, and a Republican, and then I had two of my police officer friends.
And I was bound to do this in my presence.
It didn't mean that they should tell me what you think.
I'm quite like them.
For the last one, they hate me.
They respect it.
And if you didn't have it,
if Philadelphia was not what our country could be and that you had a vision, that they had a vision of what this, do you remember that in your, the fact that they were in Memphis, what this country could be, what it was, what it could be?
And that was, you know, every one of us, I remember, from a waitress to a senator.
But maybe they all said that.
They all said that.
But my youth was surprised when they knew it.
So I wrote my speech.
I've been dealing with pride in all this business, you know.
And then I talked about that we all have our own, I don't know, that we all have, Shakespeare said,
We all have our entrances and have our exits.
And some of our entrances, all of our entrances are for a thing.
And we're all given a binding breath of talent for the reason for being born.
But all of our exits are not for a thing.
And then I go a little bit into the revelations, and then I go into the destiny of Nixon.
Remember the headline says, the destiny cannot be denied, it will be Nixon?
The destiny cannot be denied.
And then I go into that.
And I said, here, whenever there is a vision of revelation, it's for international purposes, international, too.
And I said, so, and then I talk about .
And he's here, precise right times.
Remember, 1960 wasn't right.
There was a revelation in 1950.
But then you remember in 1960, I told them, oh, you're not going to speak to them.
But they're very serious.
It's going to give it to them.
And then in 62, you were defeated in California.
I'm going back to this.
And I was in Dallas, Texas, and they interviewed me.
And I said, this is a Republican being a Muslim in 1968.
So the moderator says, how can you say a loser is a loser?
I said, what do you mean, a loser being a loser?
I said, he wasn't a loser.
Did you not read the article in the magazine where it said that Hopper gave the story how to steal an election?
And it didn't, you know, it's always that, because if you have a storm, exactly now, and I've been telling the fact, and so Rick Kennedy and the Democratic Party played me for losing the election 60 days before.
And then I think I might go from here to here.
Yes, they do.
They don't know what they're trying to do to me.
They're trying, they're blaming me for losing, and it's 60 days before the election is going to happen.
Johnson, of course, won by such a great charge.
And I think it will be Nixon, and we'll see it in the book.
And I think that God is God's will.
And I think when it's God's will, it's good for all of us.
It's good for international humanity.
See, I've got that working for me.
This is documented.
How many years?
22 years.
It isn't that this is documented in 2 years, 3 years, 4 years, or 5 years.
It's documented in 22 years.
And you see, there is chemistry.
And I'm going to send you a little book.
It's called Reincarnation Persuasive by the One We, the International Loretta Award for Uplifting the Hearts of Men.
And men, the benefits will be taken after that.
But they're not interested in this subject.
But nevertheless, I'm going back to you.
So that I can say that then I go in with all my heart.
And I tell him about how we found a family back there.
He said that two of the babies came through Washington, you know.
And he said that was the first news that I received from Washington.
He said that I really understood because it said nothing.
And then I wrote him.
You're going to have a chance to ask me questions, any questions which I feel within the audience.
They're on screen, they feel it in the audience, but not a personal question because the audience is too large, but a question that everyone will be interested in.
Of course, that is the end point.
Sure.
But listen to this.
But this is no surprise to you.
Now I'm going to take advantage of you and ask you a question.
And the person who can identify this feature and the occasion of the following package, I'm going to give us a token, this little yoke that won the American National Red Award from Living in the Hearts of Men for the Basilica's Blessing.
and also endorsed on the second page by Reverend Father Stephen Hartigan, who is the Executive-in-Chief of the New American Bible.
He is considered the greatest leader in the world, sometimes.
He's a Franciscan monk.
So then, I said, I said, then I asked two big questions.
The occasion asked the speaker, and I said,
Now remember that I have spoken to thousands and thousands and thousands
I'm here at Houston.
I'm the first generation of that.
And I do love this country.
I listen to what our president tells me.
And I hear it.
And we should listen.
Now, he said that to almost 5,000 students at one college.
That's good.
About three weeks ago.
And then I go on.
And sometimes I spend 15 minutes on that.
I don't want to keep on guessing.
Keep on guessing.
And then finally, I say this.
I said, all right.
Now, when I tell you, you're going to say it.
I knew it all the time.
Now, I have played all this an awful lot.
And then I reached over again.
I said, I'm going to give you a second chance.
Because that's a beautiful message.
That's an adaptation.
And I said, remember, the Bible says, where there is no vision, people perish.
And then, wait a minute.
And then, finally, I tell her.
I said, well, I'm going to tell you.
This was the highlight of Precious of Nexus.
Last day of the meeting.
Oh, let's get on the map.
I am all right now.
How much good does it do to listen?
We do not hear.
We must listen.
We must hear.
We must follow.
That's the reason we are here.
He is the head of our house.
He is the father of our household.
You know?
Because I have to believe it from the tips of my toes and from all my heart to the tips of my fingers that you will grow here at the precise right time.
You've got to do something to save our lives.
Now I'm going to tell you about the new one I'm coming back to tell you about, one of the greatest that I believe in.
And God forgive me if I know I'm going to talk as much as I can about this.
But you have to know that I want to tell this beautiful Bible today.
And then I go on into my speech, where vision is concerned, and how we come to do that now and then.
See, I live for a different memory than she does.
I have to listen to President Kennedy, and I think about that.
I didn't find that out until a year, a year ago, January.
Bobby Kennedy was in here, I guess wherever it was, in here, along with this other cabinet member, and this cabinet member, too, was in here.
And they, President Kennedy, they took that matter and gave us the direction, not send men to Vietnam.
Bobby didn't care for them.
They said, do it wherever, is there a wastebasket?
Yeah, right here.
Yeah, and people in the wastebasket were told.
And then I tell him, I tell him not to go to the court because we did, we would be caught in a trap if they say, if it's a cleric that's fighting us, why do you get this far?
And I don't care about that.
Which we did.
And then the prosecutor is hitting me for this.
So then I go on about, there is, there was no vision in the White House.
But I believe, I believe now, that the ball and the ball and the ball are the same.
And,
Yes, and because we had to have vision.
So I go through it all the way through, and then across at the end, it's a long thing, but the speeches at the deli are successful because you hear opinion.
And then I start for 30 minutes, 45 minutes, and then there are two hours, two hours of that.
People would come from wads around and other places.
It was hard work.
It was terrible work.
And I worked too hard.
And I worked too long hours, but I had a mission.
Sure.
Well, the thing is, yeah.
I think I had to because when I was a little child, and I know these youngsters now, and they said, well, we have to change our whole approach to this.
I said, yes, we'll have to motor it.
That was this morning.
That's the way over here.
And that was today.
Now then, the man who got you over here, who has sold you down the river, Paul Henry, you see.
Now, God will give a right answer to this one.
I have an interview.
They were very, they lived in three days.
My wife helped me.
And I found out about this.
And I told them, of course, in the middle of the 19th century, so I was sent to do that foreign matter to Joseph Deeb on an international NBC show.
I talked about how they moved up and, well, they got the chain, the volcano, the place, along with the Cantrusha, all these schools.
And then I said, I'm here, I should, I should visit.
And build a military space, a strength in some outer space and outer space.
He was in a bathtub out in front of the religious papers.
And we hung up on the teleprompter.
So at this best, he had stepped in there to see me.
And we were recording an actual weapon, too.
And just, he asked about these things, you know.
He said something to me that made shivers go down my spine.
Remember, he said, I had met him a long time ago.
He, and I remember, I just know his name.
He had gone to some sort of a corner, and I said, do not press the press.
Now, I mean, because you had all the table with her.
He and you had a moment together.
So when you ask me the same question, I answer those questions too.
And I said, what are you doing?
She said, she's gone.
And I said, well, why are you crying?
And I replied, it's bad news.
She said, well, you've got more to bother me.
I said, what's bad news?
And she said, I've never loved you.
Oh, I love you.
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter.
It's your thoughts and your words and deeds that predict that.
And that matters to the Lord.
And that doesn't matter to me.
And that's because the only thing that I am concerned about is your soul.
That's all.
And he said, the only thing you're concerned about is the youth and pregnancy.
He said, we've got more to offer than you.
And then he said, well, how would you propose?
He was very easy.
That's a little bit difficult.
Let me talk to you.
I put it in the way that he could have it then.
But I thought he didn't do it.
I thought I'd leave it to him.
You write this paragraph.
You get Mr. Sparrow to invite her president.
I'm a little bit, but I have no contact.
I don't like it.
I have no contact.
I can't get to her.
I said, Sparrow, write this paragraph.
Or you get Mr. Sparrow to invite her president.
Or have her president invite him.
Or me.
And I know this much too, that they have a full, all the, all the, all the, all the, all the, all the, all the, all the, all the, all the, all the, all the,
No, no, no, no, no, no.
He was with Johnson.
He was with Johnson.
Who is this?
This is with the arms control.
No, no, it's with a man.
Smith.
Smith is the man that you're bugging.
No, no, no.
Harold Smith.
Who got this?
He's the one.
I don't know.
I know you said that you were the one that made three parties.
Yes, I did.
And I thought about it, and I think that it is actually important.
I thought about it, and I think that it is actually important.
Yeah, yeah.
But me, it is part of it.
But do you know what it means?
Yeah, I know what it means.
Now that they do have to do this, you can't do this stuff.
You have to get back to campus.
I wish I could do this stuff anymore.
I couldn't do this stuff anymore.
I wish I could do this stuff anymore.
I've arranged for uh, Harriet Horvath, who's the right hand man of Mr. and Mrs. Dickard Wallace, the older readers' digest, you probably know them, and let all their money, all their personages, earn a fee to get an appointment with him for their, uh, Deputy Minister for Business, to pass the best of the way.
I think that's just about it.
I arranged for him to inform me.
There's a good chance he's true to me, a correspondent for the readers' digest.
Uh, when he arrived, I sent a letter to him.
Let me thank you, let me thank you, let me thank you.
Let me ask you to do this.
I'll stick with the pillows.
But we're awfully glad.
I'm glad to see you and keep your spirit.
It's a wonderful idea.
Peter, can you lend some money?
I've received money all together.
I did you a favor.
I did you a favor.
I did you a favor.
I did you a favor.
I did you a favor.
I appreciate your patriotism.
I appreciate your patriotism.
I know.
I appreciate your patriotism.
I know.
I appreciate your patriotism.