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looking at the budget situation and the expenditure defense setbacks and the impact of changes on these days and the necessity to look into it.

The President completely agreed with your plan to set up the program.

Just analyzing it over the next couple of weeks and trying to get a program laid out.

This was very intense.

Wanted to be sure the cap was tied in to what you were doing, because it is just defense, but we've got to really zero in on defense.

It's very similar to what we're doing in at least some of the closing funds.

We're trying to find those areas where they would do the most good, and all points of view, close to footing.

I think the essence of this cap was

is an effort to try and find out what the economic impact would be, certainly, to key and expand regional employment, and then to look beyond the growth of the month to see if there are some other items in the fence, in the NASA, in some other areas of the place.

And so is the effect of this courage to cut back on employment in Pennsylvania

and see if there are some things that we ought not to do, or that we should do, that we have cut out.

That's the problem with insuring that public works, you don't get any real employment in two years.

Apparently, the department had some enthusiasm in this redirection.

They decided to see what the employment impact would be, and they never got it started on their study.

Relatively short time, maybe we could come up with some specifics and employment impact and talk to you about it once we're ready for the vote.

You may be doing it on the key stage.

We're looking at the states that matter with about 90% concentration of California where the biggest problem is and that most votes are.

Right.

41.

a hell of a lot of votes, and an enormous unemployment.

You know, terrible, most citizens.

Probably.

Which Pete Spindle pointed out.

That really was what sort of stimulated it, was the 7.5% unemployment in L.A.

But Washington, you don't care.

That's why we've got to balance it.

Washington, we can forget about.

And I understand, do I understand that we hasten the movement of some regional offices from Portland to Seattle?

You know, I, listen, let me explain.

Well, uh, we, uh, we hear a lot from Senators Wallace, Jackson, and the young governor up there.

We moved there.

How did we move to San Francisco?

We moved, we took care of Amber, which is his big work.

That's right.

Well, we had that set there.

That's all we had.

No, no.

That's all that matters.

Nothing else matters.

No other state.

Not a damn one.

And it's about a league that can't pay it.

And one thing you're going to do is go pay any attention to senators and congressmen.

No, it's hard.

Senators and congressmen, unless it involves a vote.

Except John Tower, because Texas matters to it.

The other ones have an error in them.

They just don't have space economic problems.

They only have problems when they're out there.

Did you tell Pete that we wanted to get them to work without them blocking the scene, Pete, since we... Well, it's apparently hard to drop the ball when he's come back and done anything.

And, uh, we've got to speak to him about what we're doing.

Now, there's a couple of Los Angeles-Richland releases.

It was about three weeks before we could get any checks out.

So they knew all the time that, well, they probably...

They're going to have to sweat it out.

We know that.

We've got to do some things that appear to be concerned.

We've got hard flies around this airplane.

We don't know about that.

Some people, you know, travel.

There's a little bit of rain and that sort of thing.

There's no... What did they do?

How much money was put down there?

Forty-five million.

In addition...

Fort Lowes to Parkers to start getting rain and snow.

It is not yet now.

That's the trouble.

The action has gone on so slowly.

I read one U.P.

special.

I'll be clear when the story gets out.

We don't give a damn about what's done.

We do care about what is said about it.

I just think that if we drop the ball again, if we drop the ball a third way, if we drop the ball a third way, I specifically ordered some people to miss it.

I'll make it back a month ago.

We got to work on it.

The harder it goes down there, the screws it up.

How do I not say it?

I think Lincoln never does that when he does it.

That's why we gotta move him out and get somebody in there that will, you know, he does alright, but he doesn't talk again.

We don't know.

He's got an impossible fucking relationship after a year and a half.

Throw him all out.

But his, his, uh, his decisions are good.

His actions are excellent.

I know that when we give them about the actions we have, they don't make any difference.

There's nothing to be done about these things.

I mean, that goes out exactly.

We can fill away money, the $45 million in Texas, and just we'll find one drop of rain on the desert.

But we have to do what we really want to do, guys, is to get any money that's going to be spent in California, for example, or any other state.

It's got to be spent.

It's got to be.

It's got to start moving in there within six months or it's going to go down.

They don't bother.

The only purpose after that, the only thing that can be done that will be the health of Beeson, by way of an announcement, they can make an announcement about this one and that can help.

All announcements and all money to move, and that's what we're there now.

When I look at other states, what other states do you have in mind?

Some of the announcements in California, especially in the outer space, they could help.

Like if we announced we were going ahead with the space shuttle and somebody there was getting the contract, those companies can hire us now because they will.

We've got to turn those up.

We've got to get that...

You need four ships in order to make this contract work.

They can't.

The contractors wanted to take two of them, have it backed out.

They don't want the two.

It's 187 million bucks, of which the people who bought the ships put up half, and they're on money, and they say they can't make any money right now.

The charter markets don't weigh in on what you need.

If they don't want to buy two, they don't want to buy two.

They don't have purchasers for two of the ships.

Without those purchasers there, they don't have a program.

Now, I'm going to call in and see what it would cost us to build two ships, not four ships, in a run.

And if there is a purchaser for two ships, and if by virtue of increasing our subsidy, we can have a guy buy two ships, not 187 minutes after that.

60% of that will do it.

But at the moment, we're not going to get it back.

Well, the Maritime Administration, they don't have the purchasers for the ships.

Well, we should have learned it earlier.

It was a possibility.

There was a possibility.

They had expected that they were going to get something from it.

Well, on the other thing, you have...

The, the whole, the whole thing is to be just as ruthless as the District of Seattle.

Nothing matters.

Don't do it.

I mean, for Christ's sakes, don't listen to the students about sending them to Seattle because they've got to, you know, they've got to move the hell out of Seattle.

That's what they have to do.

They've got too many people there.

As a matter of fact, they've still got to get an appointment.

They've still got to get an appointment.

You've got to start moving them out to St. Lamar.

They just regret it a little.

It'll turn.

It'll turn in a couple of years, but right now,

Right now, we've got four in the California, and we've got two in the garbage center, and we are not doing it.

We just aren't doing a good job of it.

So you're saying Ohio is another state, Mr. President, where we need to move?

Yes, we need to move.

We need to work.

But when you look at it in terms of the employment figures, it isn't a hell of a bad state.

I mean, it's running around 4% rather than 6%.

California's seven and a half, Ohio's around four.

I mean, Ohio even was for a variety of reasons.

It's a very solid state economically.

I don't think that's the problem in Ohio.

What can you do in Ohio that's going to have a hell of a lot of effect?

There are other things that we can do politically there.

I think California, the economic issue, could be the issue in Ohio's life, at least not the economic issue in Illinois.

That's why you're always kind of your first step there in trying to know where your pockets really are.

Some areas, yeah.

And it's an important state for us.

It may be, it is, but it's, uh, I think it's going to, I should doubt it here.

You might have a lot.

Some parts of Florida.

That's a growing street.

It's like Texas, but, uh, pretty different.

Although, if you look at the whole average across the state, see what's happening.

But, but, what is really happening is you've got so little to shoot with, you better shoot more of them at one time, you know, rather than scatter it around and waste it.

We are doing worth a goddamn hell of a point, and that's the problem.

And some of it, we've got to get it across.

And we just, I just zero in on that.

And I, I look at it.

and I say to congressmen and senators to help, but we have a lot of staff objections to various things, most of which I've overridden on small projects, to the effect that if you let one go for California, you have to do it for everybody.

And I've said almost exactly that.

That's the difference.

That's not true.

Not true.

You always make exceptions.

You know what I mean?

Oh, you have all your bonds.

We know these bonds.

They're appropriated.

It's a matter of discretion.

So you're discreet the way we... That's right.

That's the way.

That's the way to do it.

Yeah.

That wasn't the real thing, just to think they were doing this deadly thing.

They're not from New York or Pennsylvania.

The whole East is not too damn bad.

Don't put a damn thing in there, Massachusetts.

I mean, we were silly to do that silly space thing up there, because I don't want to put that in.

There's only crazy fools.

We should have closed that.

We should have put it in Florida.

I don't know why that's the city I'm in.

I mean, we're connected out there to our college and everything.

Nothing.

I mean, that's such a long shot, doesn't it?

It turns by a different factor anyway.

What we do is going to make that much different.

If automobiles are out in Michigan, Michigan has other problems.

Really what you come down to, if you want to play the game of Ohio, Illinois, Ohio, Illinois, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, they're all possibilities.

I would then play a little of New York, a little of Missouri.

Well, the preserve doesn't look too bad either.

Yeah, obviously it doesn't.

No, apparently.

No, they've got McDonald's, they've got a full list.

They've got a hair specialist, they've got... And Nashville, Texas, Florida.

But we know what the states are.

And California.

Everything else, but it's over in California.

Good night, sir.

Yes, they should because they have a very large potential subdivision ready to go.

And as the housing starts to become a large chunk, they have started there.

Yes, but they're lacking there on those areas that we are inventorying.

That's right.

Because they're starting there.

Well, anyway, heading back to California, yeah, we're going to make a moral study of it, and I agree, anything can go there.

Now, everything in this program is to build a California.

You've got to go out there and build a California.

So I agree, I need not build that wall.

Same thing in terms of decolonization.

I mean, I've decided on a measure of about 100 minutes of that in California.

Oh, I'm sorry.

I can't take it now that you hold the calls.

Sorry.

I'll catch a track later.

Don't be worried.

You can work for me.

Now, the purpose of that all is to put it in a way that we get credit here.

Don't worry.

Don't ever inform a grantee.

Never inform them.

Always let them wait 48 hours before you inform them.

We're never going to get a dancing audience across the country, so... That's right.

You can let Finch get a little credit or something.

That's always a nice thing, too.

But Finch and then, of course, always...

He should have rated me.

Man, he's important, too.

Don't let Finch know something great.

No.

You've got a problem with that.

But Frank's been telling me to never call all day.

No, nothing.

Never inform them.

Never give them any credit.

And basically, the California announcement should be made right here.

If you know, because of our special interest.

But there must be some, there must be some other evidence.

I don't think we're... Well, you can play off like it's a free reactor thing.

Let, let all of you get some, some credit for it.

We don't care.

He's not on our side, but it's... Let's throw us a vote on the action for your country.

We're all here for it.

We've taken a couple swings out along Reader Reactor and at the CIP for support on reorganization in general.

He at least hasn't blocked that.

But if he's already doing something for that.

How's that hot peel?

Do you have less of a bloody on it?

Better than the center drain, but it is a hot peel.

But I'll have it on then.

Now, sir?

The, the, the big, box-free, you know, camper in the, in the detention park.

Yes.

I've got it down here.

That's right, Packard, and all those little boys over there, right under him.

Right, right hard.

I mean, no fooling around.

You're gonna close the base, close it in, in Massachusetts, or wherever there are, any other state, but not there.

Perhaps on top of baseball games.

Why the hell can't they do something about it?

What do we do?

It's not a program for it.

We're not going to deal with other ships.

What's the trouble?

The shipping industry is the trouble.

The most.

It's the shipping industry.

That's right.

They can't compete.

There's one area.

These are these special ships for carrying less liquefied natural gas.

But there are two contracts of those on.

That's right.

And those, I believe, are not done under our program.

What happened is that we went ahead with the United States.

Companies went very heavily into the container ship.

They busted the market.

Now the Europeans are coming back to their container ships.

There's too much capacity.

Nobody's making any money.

Without making any money, even a subsidized owner doesn't want to go out and put his share of the cost of the ship in there because he doesn't see himself making a profit.

So at the moment, there are not many ships being built.

I heard that there were some new ones coming out for Delamont, but the owner says he wants his built down in the Amundale yard.

That's down in Texas, I believe.

Either Texas or Louisiana.

So that doesn't do us, Louisiana doesn't do us a bit of good.

But you can't tell an owner who's really putting a pitch there.

Well, there's a great deal of potential, both design contracts, research, and actual construction in defense.

And channeling them into one state, I'm sure, can be done by Packard and by the contract award people there.

There are some problems with competitive bidding and all that.

But I think if this is the plan, there's no one why it can be done.

So we've got to try to say additional highway funds could be unleashed.

We do have a law on the highway trust fund that you can't, what you do, you have to do across the board.

And we're at 4.6 billion in highways.

And I don't know that we have any basis for picking it up.

What about GSA?

I'm a spoiled player.

Yes, we can do GSA.

We're doing the federal building in San Diego, and we've got two or three others that are a couple years behind, which is...

That can be done.

Well, I can't see whether or not I can show it somewhere in the restaurant.

It has new programs like it.

We decided to go with it because someone said she can't put it the hell out there.

Yes, the mass transit.

Mass transit money is scheduled, but I don't know if there are more applications, but that's certainly his way.

And also housing and rental housing and mass transit.

We've got a whole big program that's all going.

He's like one of the Massachusetts...

I mean that kid, I watched OPR take my ideas.

He doesn't, you know, he doesn't have any background at all with regard to what the world... No, he doesn't.

You know, there's another here in California.

We've got a hell of a problem out there.

You know, it's a horrible transit problem.

Now, that could be an enormous...

But you ought to be able to go down.

It's also to get some technological money for studies.

I talked to Governor Romney yesterday about jumping two weeks ahead on some rally for Los Angeles.

And he said he was trying to do that.

What they do is, it is new housing.

They give a rental subsidy to the owner so he can charge less rent.

It's a low rent kind of thing.

But it picks up a vacancy rate and provides more housing.

So it's one of the pending contracts.

We're seeing that.

They're saying, Robert, he's got some money to spend.

He's got some money to spend.

Here's where the info scientists are.

If you want to live, what's the value of money on that?

The UPU, you were out here.

Now, you were out here also, if you will, on the terrible handling of both these disasters.

It was a miserable, miserable job.

They screwed up the earthquake.

Then we don't believe it.

You spent a lot of money.

It was badly handled.

We got nothing but bad points out of it.

I was raging hell out around here.

Nothing happened.

We got credit at the beginning.

That is the one where we failed on the credit at the outset.

We just failed on that.

on the delivery machinery when they started trying to put checks in.

I think they were just great.

Yeah, he gave a very good statement.

We moved this.

They had to send the checks all the way back here and then to Denver before they could issue it.

Isn't that awful?

Moved it.

It's pretty nonsense.

I can't get it.

No.

We started right today.

We don't have your bulletin for that.

We're running out of budget.

I mean, I don't mind putting something that we have naturally in California.

So in Ohio, should be in Ohio, or Illinois, or Pennsylvania, or Indiana.

Indiana.

We could destroy the economy in Indiana.

We'd have a senator if it weren't for the... That was the... That was right.

And it's all turning right now.

It's a pretty good shape.

Are they all right now?

Yeah.

They're pushing out cars.

They're pushing out steel.

Steel's right in there.

Steel's in Indiana.

For a long, long time.

And you're going to be in trouble in Indiana.

We don't want to miss a senator.

We don't want 2,400.

We missed it by the steel.

By the wall.

Steel's right there.

It was impossible to lose the economy.

The steel strike lost the state.

Well, the original aim of the play was being national.

You figure out every way you can to follow through.

I will, if I get the credit.

I always hear, of course, these congressmen and senators come in and sweep around our home and say that we're giving them, like, the housing money.

They say, well, we're going to the Democratic districts for money.

The reason is that the Democrats, of course, represent our districts.

So that's why they get the money.

But in one of these subsidy payments, the owners of the apartments get the initial

One other one that I should follow up on.

You told me about the watershed program that they were, and I had in my speech that you were releasing funds for 87 projects.

And I said, well, I will be putting those in our exploits.

And unfortunately, they were already committed.

Now, I'll come now, but they don't need to be committed.

Because those 87 projects are going to be much of a good.

The Hardin is completely taken over by the bureaucracy in the Department of Agriculture.

I don't want it done that way.

We're goddamn well going to play, you know, our own states.

Now, it happens that most of those states are, you know, our states are, you know, I think they're going to do those things.

We ought to find our history because it's the most good.

Do you have any questions?

They don't think that way.

I mean, hopefully, because there should be some politician who only worries about the Italian votes in messages.

Well, the Italian vote, everybody never thinks about how the transportation things work.

I mean, I don't mean, why do they know race, character, race, elegance, or acting in Montana?

Who the hell cares?

Why do they want to do that?

That's silly.

This is a good way to lose an extra hundred million bucks, too, and run around and run across Montana.

Oh, unbelievable.

Unbelievable.

Well, that's a silly program, yeah.

Oh, yeah, I know.

Unbelievable.

Sorry.

I ain't got a screw for that.

Yeah, I'll make the business your name before it can't be seen today.

It's good for anything else, but for us, it's a...

Nationalization of the one industry that's sure to lose.

But it takes the worst part of railroads and manual passengers off the back of the train.

If they're ever going to make it, they're going to make it long.

in the, uh, freight business, so they can get this junk on them.

You think they're going to be going on a taxi or something?

I just think that's what people think, too.

You just can't force the continuation of that.

I mean, it was fine a hundred years ago.

Nobody wants to do it.

But the cap, you wouldn't have really... You don't think people will ever come back to that?

No, I just can't conceive of enough people wanting to be on a train overnight to make the thing to a few real... Why would anybody?

It costs more than a blanket.

It takes, you know, six times as many hours to go to Boston on the metro line.

That's

It's the best train we've got in an hour and a half.

Or an hour and five and a half.

But you only get to Boston in seven hours if you go the whole road.

I've had some of these crap trains in Europe in seven hours to Boston.

If you go the New Roman.

That's on the best train we've got in the country.

Uh, play this game, don't worry about George or anything else, you know, because he's got a sort of big straight arrow.

You know how to play political.

And saying to John, I don't want that to be brought into politics.

This is to be brought in.

You and Pete are to work this out, and to screw our composition every time you can.

You understand?

Yes, sir.

And you'll enjoy it.

The first time I played it, I was having the most fun I've ever had.

Oh, yeah.

I have a rather unusual thing to discuss with you.

I saw him up there.

I want to tell you, the less sleep I get, the meaner I get.

It wasn't growing yet.

I was about to eat.

Yeah, that's right.

That happens to be Mario's secretary.

Excuse the setback.

Alright, good.

Oh, well, if you're ready, you can be as worried as me.

Oh, not enough.

What the hell do you want?

I don't know.

Well, actually, brother, what do you think?

When I was out at home, I was telling the attorney general over the weekend that the public out at home want a firm action.

That's all they wanted to tell you about.

I'm waiting for this to happen.

Well, I'm sure.

I'm due to ask the next session.

You know, John made the call to the M.S.A.

and the Army government.

He busted out of school when he was 14.

By about his age, he went off to the market.

He set two hitches in the Marines and came back and finished high school.

He's been on the ADC police force ever since.

He finished high school.

And then what?

He's in the Marine Corps.

No, he lied about his age.

He went on the Marine Corps at 14.

He did two hitches in the Marine Corps.

And then he came back and finished high school.

And then he came up here and went to the police department.

And this is a colorless picture.

He didn't show up right through the ranks.

That's what he did.

This wasn't a reason.

He had tremendous judgment.

Oh, that's right.

Well, now you have the yellow press charges that I was requesting of you.

Well, will the Americans win?

What he said here is, don't let all these people settle over here and all the rest of it.

And he just said, I'll let the American people check that.

He doesn't answer the question otherwise.

You can't do better than that.

Perfect answer.

You don't want to match.

You're not going to match or anything.

I had an illusion that people were speeding when he probably didn't care any of the stuff and realized the movement was being directed.

I said that I had talked with a very prominent Democrat, and that he had referred to the voice of leadership, the backing of leadership in the Congress, and pointed out the fact that in 1980, in the 81st Congress, in the 82nd Congress, when we were in the minority, the Republicans in the House and in the Senate ran Congress right.

Right.

And it's because basically the Republicans let the Southerners got to get in random counters because the Democrats didn't have leadership and we did.

Now, that's even an agreement.

Now, actually, this is just, we're talking to ourselves now.

The guy who feels so strongly this way has come.

He had a long talk with me, and he's had a long talk with John.

Now, we'll add to this story here, and this is part of it, but I don't think you should not say it.

Not only because you should not talk to you about it, but because he knows that he's not going to do it.

So it's this way.

There's no leadership in the Senate on our side.

Nobody's going to follow Scott, because first, the Southerners will not trust him, and second, his own people will not trust him.

Now, we've got to talk candidly in that situation.

Scott's despondent.

After a leaders' meeting last week, but next week, who knows what he's going to do.

But we've got to, that means that we're going to change, or anything like that.

We've got to get along with him.

We're going to do our best.

The Senate is just a group of a hundred senators running off in all different directions.

A hundred great madonnas.

And we've got at least some pretty good men.

Matter of fact, the guy that shaped the block there, I thought he was a cab.

He's pretty good.

So, the country loves to the Congress for some of your shit.

Where the hell is it going to get it?

And now, we come to your side.

The hawk of the Congress.

Let's face it, and everybody knows this, Bob's is a terrible problem, which goes beyond alcoholism.

He's sick.

Albert has a problem.

The Democratic leaders, these Democrats not going along with the likes of Maylon.

I want to vote.

It's just unbelievable.

It's incredible, right?

Now, this is the Democratic establishment in the House of the Corps.

This is

Well, this is, it's calmly talking.

So we do the same thing, didn't we?

Absolutely.

All right.

All they want to say is be urged that this be done.

He wasn't just making up the same words.

So he said, no, he said, it seems to me that the key to this thing is the Republicans in the House.

So it seems to me that the key is you.

is that you folks maybe have to step up to not only leading the Republicans and pulling them together, but getting those, and here's where we can play a role, getting, we hope, 20, 30, 40 sometimes, other Democrats to go along and build some, so that there is a force to lead.

whether this is possible or not anymore, I don't know.

We know that the coalition has suffered many blows, and there are many of them going off in different directions, but have that John, you add to it, because John, he's talked to Conway, the contractor, John, John Conway has talked to a lot of Democrats.

I think he's talked to me.

Well, he has talked, I'm sure he's talked to Maynard.

He's talked to the two others.

And his feeling is that after these conversations, that this is perfectly doable.

He wasn't about to try and say just how they picked on him, but he obviously, if one way might work and another might not, that you'd have to have a better feel of the personal relationship to the issues and all the other issues involved.

But as I said before, he strongly recommends it.

And he strongly recommends that the administration do whatever is necessary to help up there with a reason to bring this about.

And he thought that it should be game-playing out very carefully with all of the personnel and their characteristics involved and their interests and see what sort of a program you can put together and build them.

And where we play a role, of course, in the administration.

We'll play with those guys.

Frankly, we'll play their game.

Well, I remember Jerry last year, he even left a comment, I don't know how to call it, about, you know, that, you know, or Joe, and, you know, and people like that.

And now, uh, we, uh, we've got to, uh, and frankly, let's face it, Mayhem is a responsible guy, uh, that we've got to deal with.

And, uh, I don't know what to say, but also a whole, a whole lot that, uh, Jerry's a whole, uh,

The whole world seems to make me sick.

Here's a new letter from Joe Wagner.

Let me make one or two observations if that's good enough.

I'm worried about Carl Alex.

Very worried about him.

He's tired.

Well, he's trying for 200 to work on it.

He's going to all these socials now.

I've actually never talked to him.

He heard his doctors telling me he shouldn't do it.

He tried to, you know, be in the middle of the road and pulling and pulling on both sides in his own car, listening to everybody.

The other night at the Sioux City State Theater.

You know where that goes?

Yeah, I used to go there.

Yeah, I was like, who is this?

Well, Carl came in when I did.

I was late on purpose, and Carl came in.

And he's been to two or three scientific libraries.

He sat here, and Wiley Mays sat here, and I sat there.

And Wiley, he told me, he said, is Carl sick?

And I said, well, I don't know.

He didn't seem too, you know, vigorous and strong.

And Wiley turned to me and said,

He's either dead tired or he's had one too many drinks.

Now, Carl doesn't do that.

He doesn't drink very much.

He's bad at it.

But he's just worn out.

He's just going to kill himself.

Yeah.

And then he's all down here, Jerry.

When I saw him down here, we came to one of those party parties here or something, and I looked at him there.

I've always seen enough sick people with my time.

Gray's face, all the rest.

This guy is not going to help.

He isn't, and he's just overdoing it.

Now, let me just speculate on what I think might happen...

Joe Waker really takes off on a match.

A real good, super beautiful, yeah.

He gave it to me and said, this is what I'm trying to do.

It's a lot stronger than a good many of our guys would say.

But he's in a position to say, I know, I know, sure.

But I changed the team.

This is great.

Go ahead.

Well, I think that if something could happen, but I don't rule it out.

Yeah.

Wilbur Mills will be the next speaker.

Yeah.

They won't take Bob's.

They won't take you.

They'll just grab Wilbur and Wilbur will be up there.

Well, to get to the main point, we've got roughly 10 people on their side.

The old ones, the new ones.

I think we could use as a new place.

On the older group, the head man would be Bill Collin.

All right.

I comment on his lunch.

Yeah, he taught me.

What is it?

What are they talking about?

I don't know what he's preaching, but I do say it.

On the younger group, it's Joe Wax.

Now you have a mixture of English.

George Van Houn really has never been a leader in these things.

He's kept himself completely preoccupied with the programing and appropriations.

He just won't get involved in trying to negotiate a coalition or organize an operation.

He'll use his headphones.

But George is just not the kind of general that will plan and organize something.

He uses the example of Wilbur.

You can't rely on Wilbur.

Do you agree?

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

They will count on Wilbur.

And I don't like Wilbur, but I kind of think he is.

For the very simple reason, he can't become a general.

He can't say no.

Well, if that's the case, then he'll be knocked off of his world.

Now, Bill Compton and I were just warning him.

He couldn't get over it.

He just kept talking about it and talking about it.

He said, I finally went to Carl.

I said, Carl, let me be the buffer on this.

I said, what do you want?

He said he laid it out for him.

Bill said, is that fine with you or something?

Yeah, Carl said, but not irrevocable, not irrevocable.

Bill said, hell, I can't do business on it.

Jesus Christ.

Go ahead.

Yeah.

Well, I think Wes and I could pick out ten names where we could sit down in the highest confidence.

Homer Burleson.

Yeah, he's a good name.

First and foremost.

Homer Burleson.

Yeah, I think so.

But there are 10 that you could sit down and argue with.

You think you've got 10 less?

Yeah.

We do.

Yeah.

You've got to pick the first group very carefully.

And also everybody got to know that, look, their party, they should talk about the problems we've got.

Look, let's say Steve.

... ... ...

I mean, Matt must be sending oranges to these people twice.

Even this week, he sent a lot of grapes.

He sent oranges to that person?

Yeah, I do.

He sent one bus blocker to three thousand people that were here.

Well, instead of punching my nose away, he said, Well, you know...

How soon do you want us to start?

I'll tell you what I think.

I'll tell you the way I think about it.

First of all, I think that we've got to be careful that I stay on.

You understand?

Second, I think this is high politics.

great reports where we will, we will see to it that McGregor and all tenants play the game the way you want to play.

I think the man that I'd like to have you work with in Arlington County would be Vangel.

See, John knows these folks.

Now, John, of course, he could work awfully well on the Senate side, because over there, we do have some Santa guys in the Senate side.

Good heavens, you could, I mean, you did, I mean, people bitch about Eastman.

Has Eastman ever voted against us?

Not that I know of.

Has he?

That's what my mom said.

That's exactly it.

That's the basics of it.

It's not equal as witness and status as others.

We've got to be over there.

But this is by the same token that you have some very good reasons in the house there.

How does that sound to you, to have John be the man here, rather than having him?

I think it should be separated.

But let's talk about it.

I think it should be separated from our congressional age.

Oh, yes.

I don't think so.

I want them to know.

I want to see my wife.

Or that's what you think.

No, I agree with that.

I'll use my...

I'll do the little...

I'll just think, yeah, I'll get the signal.

In other words, we better get entertainment.

Sure.

Or they come down.

I mean, they'll get all the attention.

But we'll do it in a way that is where I cannot be in on the deal.

And also, excuse me, just a minute.

We ought to be able to say...

indirectly that if they need some special help on a little project or a little program or a lot of speakers, that they'll come to me and we can get the word that this is going to happen.

And that there is a little answer for the quote.

And also beautiful.

We're not talking about the nickel and dime issues.

We're talking only about the basic issues of national security.

National security and a few major, you know, like, we'd like to have their help with a few other things, too, you know, maybe on our big revenue sharing or something like that, if we can get them by.

But only, but we're not going to, we're not going to put them to the store of civil rights or something.

That's the only thing that's crossed, and that's about done anyway.

Mr. Sutton, I have an idea and I gave it a little bit of a try the other day.

Eddie Behr's on our side 100%.

I went over to the luncheon and talked to Eddie Behr's side of the team the other day.

And out of that luncheon came the idea of a proposal that possibly out of the chairman of these various committees, which then included George Maynard and Bill Comer, and it felt like

They've got a new list of a great bunch of chairmen there from the standpoint of being in an opposition like us who are now getting the head of trial because you won't make up your mind on these different things.

And I thought maybe out of that something could start.

And I tried it out on Bill this morning.

He said, well, we have to do something.

You know, conversation.

And I said, well, I just talked to Eddie.

So, maybe we can start something that way, too, on top of this, I mean, with these cameras.

It doesn't have to be exclusive.

No, no, there you go.

You need to stretch these lines out to, you know, when you get down to close boats, you don't care who you get it from.

Even if it fell off of you or whatever it may be.

Thank you.

He said they don't know what he had.

Well, he might wake up and he's got a lot of leadership over there.

He probably has his office somewhere.

He may do something.

Because he's a devil.

This is another thing.

I was thinking about it.

There's somebody to talk to Daley somewhere.

We're going to do it.

Can I bring up a subject?

Yes.

Well, seriously, I don't know.

Seriously, on the daily thing, J.J. just put out the line that he'd like to come down, and it's true.

So we're going to have him come down to our property.

I said, I haven't talked to him.

But I think J.J. is very pleased with the way we handled this riot down here.

You know, because it makes, you know what I mean, that everybody who raised an analogy is probably not watching.

It's been true, and he doesn't look so bad.

Two things about there.

Uh...

The ideology of Frank Brasco from New York City.

He and two or three other Democrats from New York City very much introduced our revenue change.

They've broken away.

Because Rockefeller got two of them out.

I'm sure that's one thing.

But also, Lindsay's laid off by $10,000, $20,000, $20,000.

And they're some of their constituents.

Now, they're going to put it in for $10 billion.

But if we get three there...

But Frank Annunzio came to me today.

He's from New York?

No, he's from Chicago.

And he's the head of their delegation?

Well, he hasn't been indirectly yet.

He said, Jerry, I think we can put some names on your revenue share.

He said, get me the bill and get me the information about how much goes to Chicago and et cetera, and I'll take it up.

Well, you know who he's going to talk to.

Yeah.

He's going to talk to David, because he doesn't move unless David gives him the subject of the person, actually, the quicker the better.

Right.

Now, there's one other reason why David should come down, and this brings up the subject of

I think the Congress made the worst mistake in my 22-plus years here when we lost the SS.

Worst mistake.

All right.

You didn't make it.

We should have done a better job.

Well, you know, if I hadn't come up at the time of, you know, the early Vietnam and everything, it was the reaction and everything.

But it was a terrible mistake.

And those guys, particularly in the leadership,

because we little races will never regret it.

To put both the United States into a number two position is a pretty damn poor vote, Jerry.

I just couldn't help saying what I said to you the other morning when I was on the phone.

It's not about gunmen.

I just reassured you that it was okay.

I've never had this come through loud and clear.

All right, now, that appropriation that all is coming up next, who's your winner?

We've got some Democrats and some Republicans who want to

offer an amendment to knock that money out and to put back in the $290 million to go ahead.

Great.

Now, that's Germany.

I've checked it out.

At least the preliminary.

Great.

Now, on the day of it.

We lost three or four of those Chicago guys.

Danny Rostenkowski and two or three others.

And I'm something to learn that nobody...

With my knowledge, I can now call Bailey personally.

They talked to some Lieutenant by the way.

Now, you see, the problem we have on that, Jerry, is that that came before this damn election.

We had a candidate out there who didn't have a prayer.

Right.

But you know, John, you could have called Bailey, couldn't you?

I think there are other options.

If it is back, if it's taking back, I'd play like that.

You see my point?

And we should have not taken.

Hell takes our friend now.

We were about to make a take to support us.

But he's the best guy we've got in the rest of the show.

All right, all right, this is good.

If David, this bill's coming up, you really think you can try this?

What have you got to lose?

Not the help.

No, but let me try.

And a lot of the boys, a lot of the boys who are now for the locking business are changing their minds.

They've got to be to a locking business.

Yeah, like Al Smith.

I killed him this morning.

What's that?

Al is going to sit here and say, I'm not going to go back to pick the lockings.

Those are so odd.

It's a simple and fun game.

Can we just... Can I just hear me?

Oh, sure.

Sure, sure.

I might hear you.

I want to try it.

First of all, listen.

What can we do to help?

Well, what can we do to help?

The problem is we don't want to get it out.

Too much.

If we could have our own troops organized, we've got to get any bullet to offer because it's better if it comes from their side.

We'll be on there.

Well, we're working on that.

Boat.

We could get Boat to talk to Boat.

Jack and Paul, that guy from California is all for it.

You can tell Boat, you can tell Boat, you can tell Boat, you can be quiet, Boat, to talk.

Well, we haven't talked to Boat beyond this thing.

Boat is 9-4 at 1,000%.

1,000%.

I don't care whether you lose it again or not, sir.

I'm very significant as to why you said I couldn't lock you in business.

There were 500 contractors across 25 states who...

I don't know what they did with...

I'm gonna lock you in there.

Well, there must be none of these guys employing you in the way.

I don't have to speak to them.

I don't have to have to see them right off the ground.

You know where the biggest stroke in SSG was.

Yeah, the reason why their goddamn organization uptown here in Washington

Managing Jackson's campaign instead of promoting SST.

Back at the time of the SST, that's what they've been working on instead of this.

Let me tell you something.

If you have SST again, I think you could switch one of the California senators to the Senate.

But our Jewish friends out there claim that if we'd have gotten to them, you know, Shriver and Gracie said, look, we supported the Chinese.

That's why it's important to get daily.

On his Chicago delegation, because there are at least three or four of those guys.

Well, I think you can put it this way.

We're going to take it in here, Bob, if we can.

If we can, John, you can give him a call.

What's up?

I'm not kidding with you, really.

No.

Did you get any Philadelphia?

I don't have to listen.

I don't have to tell these old people any votes.

No, we aren't going to lose any of the ones we had.

Never.

And we had three or four that were ready to switch, so we left one or two.

And we can go to them, Bill Longford, Bill Minshaw, and John Duncan.

They were ready to switch down the well.

They were there when we needed two more.

You'll get them.

You'll win them.

You could do it.

That would be the best sentence you could ever have.

Then what would that do?

That puts it back to the Senate.

Back over to the Senate, where Mr. Toney and Mr. Cranston and Mr. Gandrell have to vote, have to be consistent.

They're for Lockheed.

That's right.

They didn't know the iteration of the SS.

That's right.

And, uh, well, some of our guys will squeal, don't do it again.

We've gone through this.

You know what they'll say about that one.

Listen, let me tell you, when you talk about the subcontracts, you realize that California, Southern California, had a bigger stake in the SSG than the state of Washington.

It did?

Yeah.

Can we get those figures to the...

The point is, the reason you fellows heard more from the state of Washington is that Boeing is there, and because, of course...

Any number of people in Washington has an enormous effect compared to the 20 million people in California.

But there were more jobs affected in Southern California than in the state of Washington by the contract.

Some contracts are .

That's why the Los Angeles Times is .

It was all out on the SSP.

They're crazy in the environment.

They do it because they love it.

All they do is because they're on the environment.

They're ready to do anything.

They want to stop the traffic.

You need to be that way because of the environment.

That's got to be a promotion for people.

They are on an issue, in my opinion.

I'm hoping on that.

That doesn't have nearly the appeal that they think.

They run around, I know, and they're the kids, the kids in the college.

But you get the word, it's environment kick.

It's environment kick.

It has to be done for the right, for the future.

Malaysia is not very as powerful and as gut-ish among people as you think.

Jobs is bigger.

Also, the environment's the only issue in Medicaid, sir.

It wasn't this year's campaign, you know, and crap.

But a good point of range, I don't know, Mr. President, is when we had the battle before, we were talking about prospective layoffs.

We got it.

Yeah.

We were talking about cancellation costs.

But in this bill, you either vote $290 million to finish it, or you vote $90 million plus another $85 million to pay the airlines off, and end up with nothing.

I bet you you got us something else if you get the numbers.

I'll lay the money.

That's easy.

The write-off.

The write-off that Boeing and the subcontractors will

their own loss, that the taxes that they would, that they saved on that wouldn't get up here too easy.

Would you think so, John?

It's a real question.

The numbers they've got in there in their own money, but it's...

They can write all that off.

That's like, if they write off $500 million, that's $250 million in taxes.

Right.

I think I'll call Bill Allen and ask him if he can give me an anonymous label.

Listen, I'll tell you what you should do.

Get McGruder to get the bus driver.

McGruder's still around, Steve.

What I mean is, is so that you don't have to bother him.

Tell him.

I'll tell you what you do, if you want to.

Just tell the recruiter I want to see those figures.

Tell them I want to see those figures, because I'm going to be making a little statement on this, and I want to know what the figures are, so that we can come right up with... You get the number, you get the point.

They've got $87 million in cancellation costs.

How much will Boeing and the subcontractors be writing off as a tax loss?

See, you want to get that number, and I'll get the number.

You've got to have it by...

You'll get it tomorrow.

You'll see if it delays that hell of a journey tomorrow.

All right, be honest.

These people, they work all night against that.

You see, that's easy.

Just call out.

You might lose, but you lose.

And if you win, I'll tell you that we'll work in that center.

I don't know what you can do there.

Who the hell can you change?

Well, you can change the times.

And you can't, yeah, well, if you just put it right to them.

Now, look here.

You aren't going to get lucky unless you change.

And I think my view would be good.

And you've got Huber.

I think Huber's had a few second thoughts, you know.

He's got his tail right out in front of a few people.

He's got his back on him, too.

Because he really needs to work.

Because he was apparently being pissed off at Huber.

I'm going to read him on the rock block, and I'm going to

But I will not mention, there's not a bodyguard.

And then you want to go back to the SSP and say, my God, this house must have a hell of a lot of jobs.

And I said, we really, I just think we just dropped the ball on them here.

Look at the heat of these guys.

I just love dropping that quiet.

And then if you decide to go, what you do is to pop that old weenie on the phone.

I say, now look, we've got to have this support.

The meeting will be gone next week.

They have a council meeting.

But that may be the best thing.

Yeah.

I just think it would be a political stroke.

It's the right thing to do, and I think that there's been enough Monday morning quarterbacking.

It doesn't matter where you possibly pick a chance to score.

Oh, you're going to poll on SST, and the rest of the people are going to say they're against it.

That isn't the point.

You're doing the right thing, and if you put it in terms of, if you ask a poll question, which I suppose you never did,

Would you favor canceling the SSB if it meant the loss of 50,000 jobs?

They would say 85% no, and a profit of $90 million down the drain in town.

You know, all that stuff.

Let's have a fight.

We'll get through that.

And then it puts it to the best time again.

Sure.

I suppose I would have to keep quiet about it until the first meeting.

I'll say it, but we won't say a word.

Yeah.

My brother is to get this for me for personal purposes.

He's not going to tell anybody.

Now, the other thing is on here, on the whole thing, the whole thing.

Well, I've got Frank, Dr. Frank Boazoo, and Frank was going to go talk to Eddie.

It's better that Frank do it at this stage rather than me, and it looks like he's vulnerable for it before.

He made a hell of a speech.

He was good, and I'm sure he had to change, except he got a little tired.

He'd been in this meeting for, what, three years was the last?

Yeah, yeah.

And he, I think, said something good about it.

Oh, yeah.

Fantastic.

Smart, articulate, he's a smart guy, and he's very articulate.

And I know he brought hell out there for being out in front, but he really stuck with it.

Put him on the list of people real quick.

I don't think this busting up the Chicago delegation is impossible anymore.

It used to be fast.

I know Tom and Brad are here.

Everybody would go to Tom and get their tickets.

Now they're running on their own signals all the time.

I pick this up from these guys over there.

They're not pleasing anymore.

I think there's a chance to bust that Chicago thing up a little bit.

Picture the names of the Democrats from the Chicago area who voted against us on the S.S.D.

daily.

And put this old squeeze on those fellows.

I think we can get it and win it.

Keith was crowing today.

Crowing?

Yeah, about the experiment.

And this brings up another thing.

This is very important.

We have this same appropriation bill for the SST money.

The set-up date for pull-out, gang, are going to offer an amendment in the full Committee on Appropriations Thursday.

There's this Thursday, and the best number will be on the floor.

Now, I don't think they can win the Committee on Appropriation, but they're going to make a big effort on the floor.

I believe we've got to really go to work.

Now, Dick Cook was in this evening, and I've talked to Clark.

Frankly, we didn't anticipate they would use this vehicle this quickly.

I didn't know until the opening of the class.

I think we have a vote that's in.

I don't know when that next one is.

So we've got to gear up right now.

I know that Clark and Big Crook are working on it.

And I think the State Department, the Defense Department, everybody has to really do everything.

I understand that Charlie Moser, this Republican from Ohio, and two or three others,

now has, that group now has 27 Republicans who have agreed on a date search.

What set of dates does the state date search intend to do?

278.

Right now it's a, that wouldn't last, and it indicated that that was the way to get the vote.

Howard Robinson, Charlie Mosher,

All the others.

But those in Robinson, which really amazes me, the power which had caught in this group.

They're tired.

But it's the wrong thing.

They're not going to look good later.

You know, a good analogy, John and Mr. President.

Why did the demonstrations around here fail?

Because they told the enemy to advance what the plans were.

They sure did.

And if they'd kept their mouths shut and come down here and then spontaneously done what they planned to do, you wouldn't have been prepared to the degree that you were.

I think it possibly could be so.

I think they did.

Sure.

Telling them what you're going to do and you run into a little more trouble.

Thank you.

Do you want us to start on this initial plane, talking to the Comer and the Iron Man?

Yes.

Two or three others?

Yes.

Let's sit down and have a little listen here.

Just say that you're just interested in the country.

In fact, it's a pretty good thing to start on, too.

Have a good boat to go on.

I'm not having any health food.

I'm having any.

Yeah.

We have a little nervous.

I'm excited.

I'm pretty worried.

Plus pay for him.

Yeah.

All right, good.

Yeah, he's a solid guy, but he's sort of old.

It's no wonder he doesn't bring it in often.

Yeah.

Let me ask you a question.

Can Conley talk to George Mayhem if you see it?

He really doesn't stand for it.

Is this appropriate or not?

I don't know.

All right.

He might be agreeable, he's willing to, but I think your judgment on Mahon is correct.

He's just one of those guys that isn't about to get into any damn fights.

Except about appropriations.

He'll fight, and he'll be right on the thing like this.

He's a great patriot, but George isn't...

I don't know.

Maybe...

He's never done one of those things.

I wanted you to talk to that.

I played some men's golf with George.

And what do you call it?

And I'll tell you, he just cries when I'm in golf with him about all of these things all the time.

But he just needs somebody to do that to him now.

God, he might be the guy, you know.

Will you do that?

Oh, I believe that he would talk to me.

On this thing of the pull-out, if you lose 27 Republicans, you've got to pick up 50 Democrats, don't you?

Oh, you've got to?

Well, I heard from a fairly reliable source, and I can't really recall who it was, but we were chatting.

They figure they've got 110 on their side, Democrats on their side.

For what?

For a day's service.

That's not enough.

But it's getting too damn close, because then you'll have, if you have 30 or 40 that switch that you can't pin down, you've lost.

That's right.

I didn't listen to your complaints the other day.

Well, there's a total thing about that.

You've seen McLean and Riegel and Potski and Blaski there.

Sure.

They've got to have a lot of furries.

Good guys there.

Chuck, uh...

The person I was talking with said he was trying to get the leg taking.

And he said if he got it, he'd give it to me.

They seemed very cozy about this.

And that's why I think they thought they could catch us by surprise on this boat, you see.

Keeping it quiet and the same thing we're trying to do on the SSP.

I'll tell you this.

I make a few speeches.

As you get to there, believe this, let's not be intimidated by these people that were in town last week.

Yeah, yeah.

I agree.

You have to be right.

They're going to look very good.

I believe we're a date certain or any other damn thing right after this rattle's been in town.

What do you think, Wes?

I agree.

We ought to be ready to do that.

I still think we can stop them on that now.

I believe we can.

Okay, but last week I thought we were going to win on the SST, too.

Well, we didn't get to work.

Well, we did, but I mean, they didn't get to work down off the field.

I mean, it's easy.

We just can't afford to have that happen.

No, no, no, we can't.

I think Dave has been very helpful from Pennsylvania.

Pretty close to Robinson and that group.

Joe can't get any of that whiskey out of me because he's pretty solid.

Joe wouldn't be for that.

Well, he stood out like a sore thumb right next to Sailor on the SSTD.

I don't know if he knew what the radio was talking about.

I think Joe's got a lot of guts.

He varies or bears off occasionally.

I don't have any idea.

He stood out in some way.

Joe can get that less for us.

I just sort of sensed this feeling in the country of shame on this whole thing a little bit.

I mean, getting off my big shirt, and I don't know.

I was home last weekend, didn't we?

Got to the county committee, committee group, and I come in.

Where do you have that money?

Do you have to see what they have in folds on that particular matter, you know, that you could give to Jerry and Russ so they could show these people?

What do you have?

Have you got some trouble on that?

Yeah, they've got one that's actually going to be released, I understand.

This is ORC.

Yeah, it shows the point that

It makes a lot out of that Gallup poll that says 73% of the people want to be out by the end of this year.

Do you want your congressmen to vote for a pullout by the end of this year?

But now they've pulled a couple times, I understand, now on this question of do you favor a pullout by the end of this year if it means a communist takeover of South Vietnam?

That is two to one, though.

And then if you say do you favor a pullout by the end of this year, even if it...

would endanger the life or safety of American POWs.

And then it's 12 to 1, no, 6 to 1.

12% yes, 71% no.

Sure.

And they're likely to cast their, their, to include the POW thing, or to reduce that.

But if they're taking the communist thing over South Vietnam, the people still are 2 to 1 against, yet that's what the result of what you said.

so people are a little more sensitive.

If you ask if he's a favorite, and in the war, everybody says yes.

Why not?

In the same poll.

So do I.

The same poll is that are you a favorite of President Nixon's plan for withdrawing from Vietnam?

68% yes.

If they hear it, if they put it that way.

Why are they... Why are they... Why are they...

And that figure on that question in his district is 69.1, which is almost on the number, but she just quoted it.

How did she find it?

Pretty much across the country.

Well, I think it's right here.

What's the question?

Well, uh, Vietnam.

What is the next U.S. policy for Vietnam?

Increase military efforts, achieve victory.

Sixteen percent yes, gain over no.

The President's policy is withdrawing U.S. combat troops by stages while strengthening the South Vietnamese to assume responsibilities for their own security.

Sixteen point eight, four, thirty-nine point two, evidence.

Withdraw all U.S. troops immediately.

6% yes, 94% no.

And nobody wants all the troops out.

Publicly setting an absolute date for withdrawal, regardless of events in the meantime, 12.6% yes, 87.4% no.

See, that's it.

That's the way you know who's in question.

That's right.

They got me.

So therefore, I'll let the boys have it.

Let me suggest this as a basic plan first.

Well, uh, with regard to the, uh, the D thing, it's great.

And one of the, it's a hell of a thing we're doing.

And we'll, we'll get the facts that we can.

The second, again, I'll be there meeting.

And meeting.

And daily.

Any day we will work on it.

We can't get daily in, and John will have to give a call.

Second thing, with regard to the

It's a Vietnam thing.

God, you've got to...

It may be supposed to come out anyway, but get it to them so that they can pass it around in a way that everybody will understand it.

Third thing, and this is, of course, the major purpose of that, this is toward the future.

If you fellows would have your confidential meeting with these guys, you might have it actually since I'm coming down to this lunch.

You might have it.

It's not a bad thing.

You need it in the afternoon.

You need it in the morning.

You need it in the afternoon.

This is, he still could wield some influence on this.

He has not come up and made a speech on the floor of the House since, in favor of a controversial issue since he was elected Speaker.

That is somebody that ought to be called on this thing.

John McCormick.

And John Mitchell will follow up by talking to me.

I mean, talking to John Conner in regard to me.

Fair enough.

As far as the operations are concerned, John Mitchell and I will work with you, too, and we'll just work this thing around as best we can.

The main purpose of it being that we'd like to have service of this is the Republicans

the Southern Democrats assuming the leadership of the Congress group.

And that's what it really gets down to.

It's not a bad thing if you turn SST around, that'd be a hell of a way to assert that leadership.

And then to win this next one, to win those two votes.

It's a hell of a way to assert the leadership.

I agree with you on this, that there is a need.

I mean, it's a, you stop to think of it,

Even if Pat was successful, as an opposition leader, as a matter of fact, really just as successful as when he was out of office, when he was in power, in the 80s, in Congress, the 30s, the reason he was so successful is that first, he had the confidence of the Republicans.

And second, he had the friendship of the Southern Democrats.

And that's how we, you've got the confidence of two of you of the Republicans, except there's a few clucks in there, huh?

And I think you've got the Southern Democrats, and yes, play it right to the hills.

We've got to have Jerry.

That's right.

A little bit of work.

And a few other Democrats.

There's some good ones.

I don't like to hold them.

There's some big ones.

John Johnson.

Who?

John Johnson.

Oh, yeah.

John Johnson.

Way back.

Yeah.

Well, we'll go to work on the director tomorrow.

We'll, we'll, uh, and do you and Thomas a contact on it.

That keeps it one step away from here.

But you can be sure that we'll be, uh, we'll play a game.

Well, if we want something special for somebody, uh, if it materializes, we'll talk to... Well, if you want something special for anybody so that it doesn't have to be bottled with junk, that's all.

All right.

He'll handle it.

He's the only one in the White House that does it, because he doesn't talk to anybody.

He won't handle any politics, so he'll do it.

If you want something special, you just let him know.

Very important.

In other words, if you want him to come down, want to call me, want me to do something, I'll do it.

If we call Bob, we know that he knows the whole thing.

But nobody else will know that you're in the White House.

All right.

Well, we're willing to work with you.

Thank you.

I even like your trunk.

You know, I get that letter from a friend of mine.

Do you have a beer with you?

No.

Oh, isn't everything a pleasure?

It looks like my sister's birthday.

Yeah.

Good.

Okay.

I got very much to say.

I'm going to be sitting here all day.

Okay.

All right.

See you later, boy.

That was a sweet thing, Bob.

That was a great time to be around.

You too.

reports there are other burners that found out about the 5 o'clock meeting.

He's going to be here for a 4 o'clock meeting on the same subject.

George and John Connelly both think he should include Arthur in the 5 o'clock meeting.

If you don't want to, George will, he says he shouldn't be a long-standing and, uh, wait it out.

All right, I just thought that, uh,

If she shows up to meet you, that's fine.

Oh, I'm sorry.

Just got an old man.

Nothing for an angry stupor.

All four of you.

But I don't know what you're thinking, Attorney General.

Are you pretty soft?

Too soft, you think?

Too hard.

I'm trying to thank you for leading us across.

I'm soft.

Yes, what do you think you ought to do?

Well, uh, raise up a bunch of bullets.

No, no, listen to me.

No, but in fact, I've done it in prison.

It's a different thing.

If they need me to speak, they talk.

Make me sit on the road.

If they want me to speak, cut them a little line.

Cut them a little line.

You should have sent the police here on that day.

I don't know.

They weren't listening.

I'm sure it is.

Probably had to do something.

I don't know.

A lot of them are kicking and scratching and fighting.

The hell, that's what they should do.

And here's the catch.

I thought what we'd, uh, I'm going to probably, uh, question, question, question, question.

Yeah, yeah, I just, it's just a, I, I appreciate it.

But actually, I have to keep really late for all these things, because I know what's going on.

Is that all right?

Great, great.

You know, this, this may be a great move, but it's not very easy, guys.

I'll show you in a minute.

I want to tell you how much I appreciate this

This is what you've been tossing back and forth between home and here in your airplane.

And God, what a chore.

You must be expressing my appreciation for your family for a few of the whole time.

That's true.

Really certainly.

The other thing is that I am just delighted with the fact that you are able to work with John on this outside project.

I had to stay away from it, obviously.

Actually, I won't be aware of things, but I want you to know that you have my big confidence.

You have John's big confidence.

And of course, he is .

He's got recommendations on the political side that would feel strongly about him pushing the bill.

Uh, we, uh, we, of course, got a lot of names, a lot of areas.

Concentrated on those major states in particular.

I mean, it's, uh, the only man, the only, the only man in the White House, really, who was, who, uh, the only person who was in charge of all of our, essentially, and the people who actually got to do that.

that's a mixed problem that shouldn't be handled through the Republican apparatus.

Tommy Thompson was better than I thought he would be.

I don't know.

There's an improvement, but they've got a long way to go.

And there are other things there that, of course, needs to be done in person.

You know, unfortunately, as I say, by Kentucky, we've gotten to Louis, Tennessee, we've got strong leadership.

Kentucky, Tennessee, Virginia, I think we're going to do well.

There are reasons that have nothing to do with the government.

And we have a fair amount of agenda.

But, you know, after all, we've got a very, you know, unsolvable.

That's why I called you yesterday, today, and I came for a speech today.

Now, North Carolina is a state of the art.

I hope you are considering a non-transport organization potentially in the United States of America, Georgia.

It's possible.

That's possible.

It's possible.

It may be too much work there.

It's going to take a lot.

Now, get it across so that I'm going to come up again to other entities that have the situation.

He said, you know, we should change some offices together.

Crazy.

We went after New Jersey in 1968.

We got it.

We went after New Jersey and did better.

We didn't do much in New York.

We thought we had a chance to come quick.

Although, if we hadn't had the bomb off, we probably would have left New York as it turned out.

What's your next thought?

This year, certainly, New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania have to be within our sights.

I'm the one so struggling with this time.

And Connecticut.

And New York.

New York may be a whole lot better constitutionally than U.S. states.

We've had to set out to give us depression.

Our whole complex of Wyoming and Illinois.

I've met with Reagan.

I've met with Reineke.

I've met with the new state chairman of California that's coming in.

And I've got somebody else coming in this week doing their assessment.

They all want to put their organizations, and they all have their individual organizations down there.

They all want to put it into it in any way they want to set it.

But the part with the Sidney is by some grounds, Reagan and Hawkeye came along at a rather early time to hear that something was going on, right?

Or otherwise, they're likely to let a few of their boys go put it around the country, you know, just the water, right?

Right.

They're trying to build this one-term president, and then Nixon might knock on, and then Nixon's total businessman, and, you know, he doesn't have everything going.

Do either rock, paper, or rake by that kind of line?

I think they can't just hear it, Kirk.

Maybe you should hear it directly.

That's all I'm saying.

It's just nonsense.

It's absolutely nothing.

It's just stuff put out by the opposition.

Here's the thing I want to talk to you about.

I don't have a problem with that.

I agree with you on that.

I'm very carefully avoided.

I have the occasion to tell them.

I don't know if you saw that little note that I sent over to you.

A kid at Rockefeller, by the quotation that came out of the paper, and Nelson sent me down a whole

transcript of the press conference, very carefully underlined with a note saying that this is, you know, I can see from this.

I just sent it over.

You sent it over, but I think if you could, I think in particular with all the constant handles of Novak and like that, if you could say that, and later if the occasion comes up and you're running around, you could say, well, without putting anything on me, you could say, well, you have reason to know.

And that this is absolute nonsense.

I think it's well knocked down.

I talk to Rockefellers a couple of times a week, and we get into these dialogues all the time about what they're going to do and how they're going to do it.

I think that the only possible potential there was if we get some coot like McCluskey or somebody running around tearing up a feedback set that

Rockefeller's people might be feeding them a little bit of the stuff to help them out.

I don't think Nelson would do it, but some of the people around him might be doing it.

Let me tell you what brought this to my mind.

Norton Simon, for instance, has agreed to raise $2 million from McCluskey, and he's been trying to raise it into Los Angeles and the California business community.

Is that really what it's been?

Yeah.

Because in the last race, he just claimed pain.

I don't know if this is true.

This was factual.

If we've got to look at that.

The second thing I believe, which I find it hard to believe, and that Jeff Witten is a part of this operation.

I don't want to talk to Walter about it.

He'll know, and then he'll tell me.

But I really don't believe about Jack Wick.

Were we going to use Walter in some capacity?

We're going to try.

I've talked to him twice.

He's not overenthusiastic about it, but he hasn't said no.

I think he's checking his people more than I should have.

Dr. Simon, I have a question for you.

On the good side, McCarty has convinced Dreyfus and Stein and the rest of McCluskey to wait, not to waste their time with him.

How do we know it?

We have an organization that we put into this operation.

Oh, yes.

I think that drives the sign, which would be a little weirder, if it hadn't been out of the lawsuit in the committee yet.

Well, if I can get the names of the paper in, they'd like to be aware of the action.

Well, that doesn't get in for us.

All right, I'll get the paper.

And there was a person in the meeting with McCluskey and Lindsay that took place up there.

the McCluskey's approach with my God.

What am I getting into?

I never realized these problems that exist and what has to be done and how you have to organize and the money that has gone into it.

And then you have to run the clean between the chainsaw, the winter and close, forward.

It's back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and

You can just imagine the revenue that this will put into Florida if it's proportionate to New Hampshire and the delegates.

Oh, my God.

The funny part about it was when we were, David and I were sitting down there talking, before anybody even thought of it, wondered why nobody had ever thought of having a preferential primary in Florida.

Right time of the year to build up the...

And there was a kid in St. John's who had a bike.

Well, they're shooting from the same day.

That's the bell that they're working on.

And, uh, they're, uh, what do you hear?

What do you hear?

Well, of course, if anybody wants to say to them, it's quite accurate.

Say, well, uh, I'm not playing by sense of your report, but I'm trying to get this there.

And...

I mean, I talked to a lot of people all over the state.

I was in business at one time in that state.

There's still one strong man there that apparently all factions of the party will accept.

And that's Roy West.

At one time, I realized last night, I was over at a parade last week, I guess, on the roof of Washington.

to see what we might accomplish.

For instance, when I was asked to vacate the offices, I guess I had some feelings.

I've gotten over that now.

It probably was the proper thing to do.

I understand the politics, this is part of it.

I still think that the President Nixon will be related.

And the feeling that I'd like to have is, as long as that's gone, that's what I'm working very diligently trying to get our finance to fix and change here in the state of Ohio.

It's a great problem.

And I approached Ray and looked at how much we were thinking about assisting in getting in the campaign next year.

And Ray said, well, let me think about it a little.

He called me back the following day to see what your reaction was.

So he did his thing and he put you back.

He told me he's ready to go.

He said that he thought that since he has been asked to vacate the president, that he should be asked to move in again.

It's my opinion that he would immediately move in.

Let's break these back for the cause.

The man has a lot of pride.

Sure.

And his pride alone, he thought he was going to do an excellent job.

He's accepted by the business community.

It's actually people.

Everyone.

Rose.

Rose is someone, probably Rose is a sister of mine.

Right.

I think it could be on a very, I mean, we have to, on the basis of this, whatever you think.

Well, you took away what I had.

There's a bunch of different ways, though.

I mean, Ray can come in, and actually there's going to be a state general.

He should come in on a basis where we can actually compensate him, because he should be a big job, and he just runs things.

I mean, you have Ohio State, and you have to have somebody to run it, and we have not anybody to run it now.

I thought this campaign chair was on the side of us, and something like that was right in the gutter.

I'm sorry, I don't know if we can go over to one state.

Ohio has a terrible state of mind.

I don't know if we can go over there.

And it wasn't like all of them had special problems at this time.

But anyway, we'll arrange those things.

We'll work it out with you.

Well, that's what I do.

I just thought another way you could do it so that it wouldn't be too obvious would be to just to have for you and Lee work out the deal with Ray and then bring him into a social event.

He's been to others and he went to a social event and as he goes through the line, he's like, I just want to thank you for what you're doing here and I want you to know this might be a little

How does that sound to you, whether he comes into the White House?

Or do you think he should come in for a meeting?

I think we should have him in for a meeting first before he... Well, you two should discuss that.

Well, maybe, yeah.

Well, let's take note of yours alone.

You two discuss the... That's both.

I can't listen to that.

I shouldn't listen to that.

But I'll listen.

I don't know if you're ready.

I think that's great.

Thank you.

Thank you, President.

Thank you.

I don't think you got it.

Oh, thank you, please.

Thank you.