Nixon, Haldeman & Haig on Vietnam War and SALT

1:59:54Now let me tell you the problem here.
1:59:57First, we've got to have a significant movement by that time on the Vietnam front.
2:00:05We've either got to do that or something else.
2:00:09Henry Seltzer is a very remote possibility now in the draft.
2:00:19That can't be pulled off.
2:00:20See, if you could announce that, then I could put the other trip off until the end of June.
2:00:24Because I had a little one to get with.
2:00:26Assuming it's out the window, then I have to have that.
2:00:31Now, Henry's arguments against doing it then, of course, related to his little Mickey Mouse game with going over to Paris and seeing those fellows and so forth and so on.
2:00:41I have no illusions about it.
2:00:45First of all, I assume.
2:00:47It may be they may not see it.
2:00:49Second, if they do, Texas is going to bail him along, and we're not going to do that this time.
2:00:56This is going to be an automated meeting.
2:00:59That's right.
2:00:59Well, I think that's him he's thinking about.
2:01:01But the point is, I mean, he says if you take two meetings and then push it past the eight, he's not going to have two meetings.
2:01:07I mean, he's going to say, we're going to have an understanding.
2:01:10Then he can give you three days or four days, whatever the case is.
2:01:15But the idea that we will wait and have to screw around in those meetings in Paris again, it's just not going to happen again.
2:01:24There's going to be two meetings.
2:01:27The second meeting is for the purpose of finishing.
2:01:31There's not going to be another one for the purpose of hacking around.
2:01:35Because there is really nothing in that record, the previous record, that would indicate that any progress was made on Strauch.
2:02:10against doing it then, of course, related to the little Mickey Mouse thing with going over to Paris and seeing those fellows and so forth and so on.
2:02:19I have no illusions about that.
2:02:23First of all, I have some.
2:02:25It may be they may not see.
2:02:27Second, if they do, they're just going to nibble him along and we're not going to do that this time.
2:02:34This is going to be an automated
2:02:37Well, I think that's who he's thinking about.
2:02:39Well, but the point is, I mean, he says that if you take two meetings and then he pushes past the eight, he's not going to have two meetings.
2:02:44I mean, he's going to say, we're going to have an understanding of this, and then he can take three days or four days, whatever the case is.
2:02:54But the idea that we will wait and have to screw around on those meetings in Paris again, it's just not going to happen again.
2:03:03There's not going to be two meetings.
2:03:07The second meeting is for the purpose of finishing.
2:03:09There ain't going to be, there's not going to be another one for the purpose of hanging around.
2:03:13Because there is really nothing in that record, the previous record, that will indicate that any progress was made on this topic.
2:03:21There isn't.
2:03:21I've read it again.
2:03:22There isn't a goddamn thing.
2:03:24And the way as long as he's talking and all the rest, I don't think there's a chance, really.
2:03:31There's a very good chance that reveals, I know that the
2:03:34because of the Chinese move, that they're worried because maybe the Russians may be coming and so forth.
2:03:40That's all gobbledygook.
2:03:42That's against, maybe there is, maybe there isn't.
2:03:46But it's either this or kind of they've done it.
2:03:48Well, we have to have a record, sir.
2:03:49You have to have a record of proposing a fix, which is all they, and it being correct.
2:03:54That record will be made, and then we'll go.
2:03:57But every ceiling was in my car from last night that we'd make the record, and then they just turned it down, and I just announced that I'd made the offer.
2:04:09that has something more than an author that we've offered to date and cease fire and arrest.
2:04:16That's a nice little thing to offer, and it'll be a two-day story.
2:04:23So my thinking now is that we've got to make our preliminary plans in terms of having a mind about that if anything should happen in Paris,
2:04:41Transition has nothing to do with it.
2:04:44Absolutely nothing to do with it.
2:04:46I mean, if whatever happens on that, we'll just get hit again, or it'll not change the situation.
2:04:54We're going to do the same thing for better reasons.
2:05:00But I just don't want any of you to have any money.
2:05:09Well, we'll...
2:05:11We can hang around here this summer.
2:05:13We've got the Chinese game, and we've got the Soviet game, and we've got the other games, and so forth and so on.
2:05:18Because I know the domestic game at this point.
2:05:21At the present time, we have got to move decisively, crisply, for domestic reasons.
2:05:28We're not going to change in terms of withdrawals or anything like that.
2:05:33We've got to move up on the QB.
2:05:35If that's going to be our big announcement for the summer, get over it.
2:05:38Get over fast.
2:05:40Because that's the only way that it sucks.
2:05:43See, Henry has no sense, no understanding of the situation of the Senate now.
2:05:47The votes are going to start coming around the 8th, 9th, and 10th, like one in the House next week.
2:05:56The appropriations over the term of the Senate votes are the ones I'm concerned about.
2:06:01I've got to have some of them.
2:06:02something more than simply, well, we offered the South Vietnamese or the North Vietnamese a term of a day or about a day.
2:06:11It won't be that way in the ceasefire and so forth, but it's for coming here.
2:06:15It's a good offer.
2:06:16I mean, I agree that Stuart Alsop will understand it and Charles Roberts and a few others, but the guys up there will not.
2:06:25So, on the other hand, the announcement
2:06:28after meeting with the American combat role leaders at a certain time.
2:06:32That'll have something to happen.
2:06:37Right?
2:06:37Sure.
2:06:39That's just an offer that's turned in.
2:06:41Well, no, no.
2:06:41Here's the point.
2:06:42I said that we have offered everything else.
2:06:44I know that we all know the technical difference.
2:06:47That here, we are not.
2:06:48That here, we are separating out the political settlement.
2:06:51We're separating out all the agenda of these Congress.
2:06:54And we are safe.
2:07:02We'll be out.
2:07:03That's new.
2:07:05And we all know that it's new.
2:07:07And it's very significant.
2:07:08We all know it's very significant.
2:07:10But out of the average person in the country, that's just $130,000 in Google, like the one we made before.
2:07:14See?
2:07:15Oh, it's not going to mean anything now.
2:07:17See, like my life.
2:07:18We just need something now, something now.
2:07:20We've got to have something.
2:07:22We need something.
2:07:25But that's the issue.
2:07:27People here, that's why the two of them, if we don't have another one, it's got to be
2:07:33No, I don't think so, sir, but I think an assault agreement would be a substantial one.
2:07:45I think an assault agreement would be a substantial one.
2:07:49Well, we'll have that soon.
2:07:51We're going to get an assault agreement.
2:07:53I agree.
2:07:54We did that.
2:07:56We announced it.
2:07:59And we...
2:08:02The point is, it'll confuse them just like China did, but it will not have the impact that it's needed.
2:08:12The American people, we've bowled all this and so forth.
2:08:14It's too cognitive.
2:08:15The intelligent people, it'll confuse all of them.
2:08:18But we must not ever confuse ourselves by thinking that that's the way folks are.
2:08:25Okay, that was nice.
2:08:26Thank you.
2:08:28with as far as the people are concerned with the whole China thing.
2:08:35And it might be the intelligent community that gives it the lips, and for the long haul, it'll make a lot of difference.
2:08:43But you see, and the same on salt.
2:08:46Salt will have more impact in trying to do with the fact that we'll deal with ADM and the rest.
2:08:50But on the other hand, if you look over at the price numbers,
2:09:00These guys out here are reflecting.
2:09:04They're not dumb.
2:09:06They're reflecting on folks, you see.
2:09:08We all know, you and I know what's most important.
2:09:12Goddamn thing is more important than whether we have a normal day to Vietnam or combat boots or anything else.
2:09:23If we're going to do it, as I put it in the note today, we're going to do it.
2:09:29It has to be done Wednesday or next week.
2:09:53Or you have to put it off two weeks.
2:09:54Now, there's a reason for that.
2:09:55There's a critical role in the House on this.
2:09:58And otherwise, you should let it go two weeks.
2:10:02Screw it.
2:10:03I mean, there's no reason to get it out any sooner.
2:10:06I might as well drag along and go through all the process and inform all the embassies and talk to all the commons and all that bullshit.
2:10:13But otherwise, get it off on this.
2:10:17Thursday's too late.
2:10:18Thursday's your Friday.
2:10:19So that's what we have there.
2:10:21Do us any good in Congress.
2:10:24You see, I would rather have salt come out two weeks later to affect the Senate, though.
2:10:29But you see, these things wash out all of a sudden.
2:10:32We forgot.
2:10:32So we'd have to do a Wednesday or just fart around, which we probably will do, but not do anything about it.
2:10:39And let it get screwed up again.
2:10:41Or it will be.
2:10:42It probably will be.
2:10:43Now, it could be regulated here.
2:10:52Probably isn't going to be ready anyway for two weeks, so probably no question.
2:10:56Now, what could have, what could have an effect, I will agree, I will agree, what could have an effect is an announcement from some of the Russians.
2:11:08Perhaps could have an effect on the Soviet.
2:11:12However, they aren't ready to listen, and we're not going to press them.
2:11:16We've told them we're here ready to tell us.
2:11:19Now, they'll tell us.
2:11:22If they should come in unexpectedly and say, look, we'd like to go forward with an announcement and so forth, because we're not going to ask no more.
2:11:31No more.
2:11:32We can't hear anything.
2:11:34That could have a very dramatic effect.
2:11:36See, that's the kind of announcement we'll make.
2:11:38That's the kind of announcement of a meeting with the Chinese, of a meeting, you understand, as distinguished from, well, the president will receive the table of contents when it comes to order.
2:11:48And we're going to release more items for trade with China.
2:11:53Here's the things that will happen.
2:11:54The salt thing can have a little blood effect on the Congress for a day or two.
2:11:59So if we can get it out of the way as we go, we can not hold it for two weeks.
2:12:03And we'll do it then.
2:12:06Thank you.
2:12:07Then the summit thing, if something comes on that, it could happen.
2:12:10In fact, it could be the biggest plan in early June if they were to announce it.
2:12:14But if not, then let it go.
2:12:16Then we finally have only one vote left at this time in the political field.
2:12:20That's the meeting with the Jew and the combat with the Jew thing.
2:12:23And that would be helpful.
2:12:27But it would have to come June 8th.
2:12:28If it comes later in the month, it could be.
2:12:32It would be past the votes, and I would hate my hell to go over and have a meeting with them and announce that no more combat groups are going to be there after the Senate had voted in Cameron Lake.
2:12:42See my point?
2:12:43I don't want to have actions taken which appear to be a reaction to what you're asking for the Senate.
2:12:52That's why the team, they very well may have to be the eighth, because they've got to know the inaction.
2:13:08and the rest, and some of them may start to harden up a bit, and maybe the House will do better next week than we thought.
2:13:14But it's really the Senate we're worried about.
2:13:19But I do know this, that now it's a cold turkey proposition.
2:13:25We've got to have something solid.
2:13:29The only things that will affect us are, one, the meeting with you, since you've ruled out the draft thing.
2:13:36Don't even think about it now until it's before the school year begins, and you can try again.
2:13:42Maybe the children can have an effect, provided it has that announcement, because that announcement I'm going to meet with.
2:13:49The second thing is the announcement of the son.
2:14:02I got rid of him.
2:14:03I hit him with a great sock.
2:14:05The other name is Saul.
2:14:07I helped Saul.
2:14:09Sophisticated people.
2:14:10I could talk to him.
2:14:12I sent our guys to the map.
2:14:16He again knew the guy.
2:14:19They're still a little gritty.
2:14:21He's going to get it all right.
2:14:23They had one hell of a time voting against ABM.
2:14:28If we said we got agreement to provide that, then that's not a problem.
2:14:33They couldn't do that.
2:14:34Well, the main concern here, as I look at it, is that whatever is done, if the Senate does it and deprives you of what has to be done and the realities of the military situation over there and the thing unravels before November, we've got a disaster.
2:14:50If they do it, it's their disaster.
2:14:53But if you do it, it'll be yours.
2:14:56And that's the reality of it.
2:14:59We're not going to do anything.
2:15:05That's why I'm like.
2:15:06Now, the other thing, of course, that I thought of was this view of their turn down of our prisoners and my normal reaction was that it was that would have been a hell of a good time to hit those three passes in North Vietnam.
2:15:21But on the other hand, since he has this big offer hanging out there, I want to get that over with for that reason two hours here.
2:15:27You understand, with Henry bouncing back and forth with Paris on those goddamn trips, you know, they'd like to string it along because they know very well that we won't do anything unless that's going on.
2:15:39We're going to hit it.
2:15:40And they can't turn around an offer like that.
2:15:43And they can't make some of the jackass statements they make without biggest consequences.
2:15:46That's the only thing we've got left.
2:15:49I said, see, that's another reason for you when you're talking to him.
2:15:54He must be pressed.
2:15:56We can't do a little more.
2:15:59That's the whole point.
2:16:03all the idea that we can't do this or that or the other thing because of the fact that it might disturb our talks with the Chinese, it might disturb our talks with the Russians, or it might disturb what talks we might have if it's up, or if it's just up.
2:16:16He's saying all that really matters is the talk that's going on in that Senate at the present time.
2:16:21Therefore, what we have to do, it is that we have to do, we have to now oppose our actions in a way that will not destroy any of these talks, and they don't need to.
2:16:34But that don't, frankly, if you think it's going to disturb our talks, just have the goddamn Senate pass something like that.
2:16:46Right?
2:16:47Right.
2:16:48Where's your bargaining position then?
2:16:52Congress says, well, get out on the 31st of June, December, right?
2:16:55Both the country might.
2:16:57Will you do that?
2:16:58I don't know.
2:16:59I don't know.
2:17:04See, this is what changed.
2:17:05This is a fact that we've now got to start thinking about.
2:17:08We're coming right into the wire, and we're coming in pretty good shape.
2:17:12We follow along in battle, and we can win.
2:17:15But right now, we've got to shoot our bullets and shoot them in good enough time, even though it presses us a little bit.
2:17:25So I probably don't have to go on the 8th that he can't get.
2:17:29Since he can't get the draft, I have to go on the 8th.
2:17:35And, uh, I think you missed it.
2:17:36What else are you going to do?
2:17:39So I, uh, I think the draft thing is going to be...
2:17:42It can't be done right now.
2:17:44I can tell you when this comes.
2:17:45But let's leave it out for a moment.
2:17:48Leave the draft out.
2:17:48Assuming the draft can't be done, let's base all our assumptions on that.
2:17:51Do you have anything else we can do before the 8th?
2:17:55See, of the eight, we can be even.
2:17:58The only other thing coming up is salt.
2:18:01Salt isn't enough.
2:18:03I know that.
2:18:04The salt is not enough because it is not, you see, too directly enough related to Vietnam.
2:18:10Salt wouldn't be enough because people would think that you, the summit, you might talk about Vietnam.
2:18:15See?
2:18:17Summit, people understand the summit.
2:18:19People don't understand salt.
2:18:21Salt is way over there.
2:18:22That's the slightest idea of what the salt is.
2:18:24You've got it complicated.
2:18:25Of course, the China thing, I think, has the greatest impact.
2:18:28It has an impact.
2:18:30But there, there, what it really is, is that they're creating a debt.
2:18:35But the China thing, the China thing, which is China, an open meeting by a presidential emissary, or actually a presidential visit.
2:18:45See, the difficulty with our whole China thing is that there, we have the Russian thing.
2:18:51We can't announce it.
2:18:53Well, there'll be a presidential visit to China.
2:18:55First, it can't be a presidential visit to China as long as they're supporting South Vietnam, or Vietnam.
2:19:01So that's, indeed, it's got to be a straight, cold, tricky deal with that.
2:19:05Second, we don't want to throw the China thing until we get the Russian thing one way or the other.
2:19:13Why do you do that if you've not got the Russian summit?
2:19:16The Russian summit is more important.
2:19:18It may be that we don't want it.
2:19:23We've got to let those things play out.
2:19:26There's more important substance.
2:19:28It sure is more important, I don't think, in public drama in this country.
2:19:33Could we get more out of China?
2:19:36Well, China's thing, I think, means more in terms of the war in Southeast Asia.
2:19:39Yes, sir.
2:19:43On that note, you see, we've got the foundation of the war.
2:19:46You see how we've got that position in the way that Henry's now sent a message, or I understand he's going to send it through the ambassador, Barclay, on Saturday, October 19th.
2:19:57That's fine.
2:19:58Barclay will carry it back.
2:20:00So then they'll fire it off to the Chinese.
2:20:02And the Chinese, they don't have Chris Barr.
2:20:06And the question is, when does he go?
2:20:09Yes, at the time, you know, I don't know.
2:20:12My personal view is that I don't think these things are going to solve the congressional problem.
2:20:16I think we have to take a handle on it.
2:20:18But I personally think that the position you've taken is the right position, and the responsible ones will be afraid to take it.
2:20:26It is the right position.
2:20:28It is responsible.
2:20:31And I don't think it will have an enormous effect on the congressional problem if you announce it to some of the Russians.
2:20:37I'm an anarchist, but you could then take, you would take those bachelors of task for undercutting the president when you're about to do this.
2:20:41You tell all these stories, you're going to look awful bad.
2:20:44You're going to look awful bad.
2:21:05You're going to look awful bad
2:21:07He's a murderer.
2:21:09He's a murderer.
2:21:10Some are murderers, but many of them.
2:21:15He'll understand it, too.
2:21:16I swear I'm going to understand it.
2:21:18Now, I'm not doing this.
2:21:21All that I know is that the Senate has been, the House has been, the Senate particularly, is a very close proposition.
2:21:31And if we, we've got to, we've got to show, we've got to show our best consciousness that they'll do the most good.
2:21:40So I'm inclined to the gymnasium.
2:21:45Now, we've got to do this in terms of that, too.
2:21:49And as far as Henry's plans are concerned, that interferes with another trip he's going to take to Paris.
2:21:53Forget it.
2:21:54Let him take his trip and go back again.
2:21:56It hasn't interfered.
2:21:57When he used to go to Pakistan, he used to go out with a few other people.
2:22:01There's no problem with that.
2:22:03Nothing has to be the same.
2:22:05No, I think your problems, in a sense, sir, are really your intellectual people.
2:22:11And SALT does mean something to these men.
2:22:13These are the leaders that are impressed by that.
2:22:17I think the popular problem we're having now is dialectic, as it was last year.
2:22:22The swing is a little higher, but it's going to recede the same way.
2:22:27So we have to hold these real conscientious dogs that are in the Senate.
2:22:33And I think the SALT would mean a hell of a lot to those people.
2:22:35I really do.
2:22:37We're going to play the life out of it.
2:22:59I think I was encouraged by what Seminoff said yesterday.
2:23:03I think what he was saying was, in effect, they won't take the Moscow package.
2:23:08You can have ABM any place you want.
2:23:11but you'll have a ceiling on the number of missiles.
2:23:14I think they were talking about their own.
2:23:21It could be either, but I think they're going to come back.
2:23:32Well, I think the reasons for that are just this simple, sir.
2:23:35To the degree they can keep you from getting the credit, they're going to do it.
2:23:39They don't want you to be reluctant.
2:23:41That's one goddamn thing.
2:23:42That's right, too.
2:23:44So they think what I have comes.
2:23:49No, that's the other reason why we have to move before the... Kraft is back in town.
2:24:02He said that everyone he's talked to in the Soviet Union said that if you're too tough, they don't want to deal with you.
2:24:09I didn't want to get another man in.
2:24:11He's wrecked out of the ocean.
2:24:14I got this from the cocktail circuit.
2:24:16Yeah.
2:24:16Of course he knows that.
2:24:19Well, he's one of them.
2:24:20Exactly.
2:24:21Christ saves.
2:24:21Of course, he knows goddamn well I'm too tough.
2:24:25This last two weeks, this last month has shown him again.
2:24:31This really must be right.
2:24:32They're having their problems.
2:24:35I think actually, sir, we've got everything postured beautifully and timely, with the exception of this Senate problem, which is where we're short to you, John.
2:24:46But the other things are ideal.
2:24:48I think they want us to move with the Chinese.
2:24:53That's the other reason why we can't move too quickly with the Chinese.
2:24:57Oh, now that I understand.
2:24:59I'm not saying we're going to move to the Chinese or the Russians.
2:25:03And I'll lay that goddamn thing to the countries as over as necessary.
2:25:07But I do say that we have to do something to capture more on Vietnam.
2:25:12And since we don't have a, we can't go to regard to draft anything, then we'll have to move to Chile.
2:25:19That would be, that would, that's going to be the best we've got.
2:25:23A little bit of a mixed.
2:25:26Packy's a fugitive.
2:25:28The guns will say that you're propping up his election, too.
2:25:32That's one of the criticisms we'll get.
2:25:35I guess you will.
2:25:36So we will.
2:25:38But he wants to come over.
2:25:41I'll tell you, if he's after that, he will assume the full combat responsibility at a certain time.
2:25:48That's pretty goddamn good news.
2:25:51I think it's very good.
2:25:52I think it will help him.
2:25:54I just think we just do it and do it well.
2:26:00That's the point.
2:26:01Good God, I thought we were probably...
2:26:25and get the salt thing, that will set a warmer climate for the Jews and everything else that comes among the intellectuals.
2:26:36I agree with that.
2:26:38Then, don't let the rule of the giants of Paris, I mean, that's one thing I am opposed to.
2:26:47Look out.
2:26:48Everything has been too bogey.
2:26:53You know, as he said, because of the Chinese thing, right, the Chinese thing, he thinks there's a 50% chance now that maybe they'll talk.
2:27:00They are going to talk.
2:27:02Why the hell should they?
2:27:04We're going to get out anyway.
2:27:05You see my point?
2:27:06They regard problems here.
2:27:08Yeah.
2:27:09He talks about them.
2:27:10You can set up the dollar problems due to the problems we're having.
2:27:17And they don't agree with them.
2:27:18And they just certainly, maybe the Washington Post,
2:27:23the U.S. last night took Hanoi's line.
2:27:26They said that the war in Southeast Asia has caused the problem on the valley of New York, and it's a sheer poppycock.
2:27:32I heard it on the news.
2:27:35I heard it on, no, they said, I heard it on the news.
2:27:40That's the way they interpreted it.
2:27:54As long as we're maintaining work, then we have no way to maintain our balance of payment.
2:27:58Oh, yeah.
2:27:58Jesus Christ.
2:28:00That's the best way to go about it.
2:28:03People are not going to get too dead if you're trying to go about that with balance of payments and all that crap.
2:28:10Everybody around here would be chomping on their tongue.
2:28:12But understanding that they can understand that there may be some problem with something shifting.
2:28:22I'm just talking about it.
2:28:34We're going to get our introduction and roll-downs through.
2:28:37First, he gets the message out on the second.
2:28:42On Solve, we can't do it Wednesday.
2:28:45And I don't care.
2:28:47There's no problem on Solve.
2:28:49We can do it tomorrow and deliver it at the end of the time.
2:28:52And this is our purpose to wait two weeks, wait two weeks.
2:28:58There's not an end for us to go in the balance of that week that I can see.
2:29:04If that doesn't turn, then that influences your timing and your degree on chunking.
2:29:14Sure.
2:29:14Absolutely.
2:29:29We do have another car, but that's the beauty of our situation today, which we haven't had before, and the Russians don't know this.
2:29:35I'm assuming the Chinese mean what they say.
2:29:40We've just got to accept the goddamn people.
2:29:44I wish the gold would rise.
2:29:50Well, you see our problems, we know they're going.
2:29:57moving in a way so that we think that we do make all the plays.
2:30:04The idea of, I much prefer myself, I prefer to have the two visit later in June.
2:30:12Listen and solve the, don't listen and solve the bias of time you need to go down.
2:30:18Solve all hell if it comes, but you at least have to have
2:30:47I think if you end up with salt and you end up with the two meaning it's going to be tight and it's going to be tough, but you're going to have right on your side.
2:31:03Then when you follow that with a summoner and a high-level Chinese meaning one or the other or perhaps both if we do it very well,
2:31:14I think you just can't.
2:31:15Your foreign policy would have been absolutely revolutionary.
2:31:23You've got to.
2:31:25The only trouble is, though, that you have both Chinese and Russians.
2:31:30Well, I say some of them are in a high-level delegation with the government.
2:32:03Oh, he has a different view, of course, than that.
2:32:28I'll be ready.
2:32:31I'll bring 12 of them.
2:32:31Sure.
2:32:32Yeah.
2:32:59second view of Paris that Henry had.
2:33:03And I don't think he ever has.
2:33:07He's played along with it, you know, put it together.
2:33:11But I've read these damn reports, and Henry's known to go on and on about it.
2:33:19Henry has three, four hour meetings.
2:33:21They met for lunch, and they met again, and so forth.
2:33:24And curious dialectical stuff.
2:33:27We're going to be talking in those meetings also about it, because you can't have to get your own...
2:33:32Sure, it's up.
2:33:33I'm sure.
2:33:34And you want to find something good out of it.
2:33:37You want to think you've succeeded.
2:33:42You want to think you've made a sale.
2:33:44You want to think that your trip was not worth while.
2:33:47That's what it is.
2:33:48I understand that you can't really accept it.
2:33:50I'm an evaluator.
2:33:51I evaluate those goddamn things.
2:33:52They don't value anything.
2:33:53They were different in the long run.
2:33:55And you've got to want to be cruel to it and tell him that the week I've had an illusionist.
2:34:01Now they're looking the same about that thing.
2:34:03Now they know that it was all they did with the law.
2:34:06And you see, 5% of the bottom of the house would fall apart after they did it.
2:34:11If we hadn't had that meeting, the moment they turned down that prison for Sweden, we would have hit those three choke points in our name, huh?
2:34:21That's what I'm saying.
2:34:22That's what I'm saying.
2:34:23That's exactly what we were doing.
2:34:26Now, we've seen as a result, they did that with such interest in the people.
2:34:30What if it was not a goddamn thing?
2:34:31I don't share anybody's earnest desire to hope that we can come up with a peace-saving project.
2:34:39It would be a peace-saving, it would be a peace-saving, it would be a peace-saving.
2:34:50Nobody wants anybody else to get any credit on that motion, but we all want that.
2:34:56in terms of how that really is happening, not any illusions, you know, the kid is solved.
2:35:03First he has to have something, you know, at least he's on the schedule for Monday.
2:35:10The other day, I had a reporter.
2:35:13He ain't alone, too.
2:35:13He calls over about two of them, and he calls them, and he, you know, generally he's directing, guiding, so that every other high school class
2:35:26He said, our position is right.
2:35:31These guys are wrong.
2:35:33He's got to stick to what's right.
2:35:37But that ain't enough.
2:35:40It's much tighter situation now.
2:35:44I think we can do it.
2:35:48I mean, if I suppose
2:35:56speak to this and hardly have to tell anybody, but I would sort of try to keep the senators and congressmen lucky with their goddamn courage.
2:36:06I have a hell of a lot of character in so many.
2:36:17I have some disagreements of mine with Baker.
2:36:33You're in speech mode.
2:36:35I'm going out of office.
2:36:37See, that was supposed to be a slob.
2:36:39That didn't happen.
2:36:40I never heard of him.
2:36:45Here.
2:36:45Let's just... Yeah.
2:36:48Senator, you're probably here about 12 to 15 minutes, sir.
2:36:49Well, well, then you've got these two guys in the staff.
2:36:53They're all wild.
2:36:54Brian did a lot of that stuff.
2:36:56Thanks for having me, sir.
2:37:06He's the entertainer for the Correspondence Center Saturday night.
2:37:13He's got a very sexy looking wife, I think.
2:37:20All right, we've got some time.
2:37:24David, we've got that, did you go watch that?
2:37:30No, he said, I think he said,
2:37:37You know, it's everything that happens, they've always fed him, he's his family, and, uh, he's dressed like a hero to show the soldier.
2:37:46Take off.
2:37:46Just if you're all in there.
2:38:12They got a book here.
2:38:37so this is the best competition
2:38:55I would really propose, and I mentioned this to Dick out there, for you, is this.
2:39:03Start a new initiative to make international law more important.
2:39:08You can put yourself together a group of experts, and I say that to quote him, Justin, and
2:39:16Never been in the name of a chief state associate of the National Guard.
2:39:21Ladies and gentlemen, the state of the world, the courts, the next in line, and I mean your comments, you know that you don't know who you are.
2:39:29Now, this would ring a bell.
2:39:30Even though I'm supposed to be here today, I'm going to miss it today.
2:39:34I'm not saying this is not a private for you, but you're the only guy who can do this.
2:39:49If you call in the different professors, you don't want to go along with saying something to the GM.
2:40:01Call in, say, Ken and GM.
2:40:04Yeah.
2:40:05But I sat aside in the last year.
2:40:08I hired Andrew Lee over on the time of day and worked with the Yugoslavians.
2:40:16So I think it's a, I'm very proud of it.
2:40:21I think it's the best thing I've ever done.
2:40:28Whether it's published, made one, I just, I just, I just have it.
2:40:40I don't know how they publish these songs, but you won't get paid for it.
2:40:49There you are.
2:40:49Now, here we go.
2:40:53This is good.
2:41:13All right.
2:41:18Everywhere.
2:41:40But I do think, I do think that, really, I'd like to see your name associated with international law in all these years.
2:41:51And this, you know, I don't think you have to study it, but what I'm suggesting really is that if you make some kind of announcement that you're going to take a new initiative for peace by strengthening international law, that this is something that all the little nations and the big nations can work on.
2:42:07We belong to 4,000 treaties.
2:42:08Some of the African countries belong to that group, you see.
2:42:12They have an extensive system.
2:42:13There's the Antarctic Treaty, the CFED, the outer space.
2:42:16And you can take just a few of these and begin to put them into some kind of a code, you could call it.
2:42:21You can code things like that.
2:42:23And so that expert's disciple goes in and challenges the other nations to join you in putting more parts in there.
2:42:30And you're going to have to have some alternative.
2:42:32Of course, I'm not British-Armenian.
2:42:34Well, I actually am.
2:42:35I actually am.
2:42:36Right.
2:42:36I really think this is a natural thing.
2:42:39For you to do it, right now, would be something that, throughout the world, everybody would rise up and say, well, that's an instrument.

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