Conversation: 496-013
Prev: 496-012 Next: 496-014Start Date: 10-May-1971 3:08 PM
End Date: 10-May-1971 4:53 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ehrlichman, John D.; O'Melia, Kathleen; Broomell, Ann; O'Donahue, Tara; White House photographer; Shultz, George P.; [Unknown person(s)]; MacGregor, Clark; Bull, Stephen B.; Ziegler, Ronald L.; Rogers, William P.; Kissinger, Henry A.;Recording Device: Oval Office
Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 02:24:49
Full Tape Conversation End Time: 04:10:04
NARA Description:
On May 10, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, Kathleen O'Melia, Ann Broomell, Tara O'Donahue, White House photographer, George P. Shultz, unknown person(s), Clark MacGregor, Stephen B. Bull, Ronald L. Ziegler, William P. Rogers, and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Oval Office of the White House from 3:08 pm to 4:53 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 496-013 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 496-13
Date: May 10, 1971
Time: 3:08 pm - 4:53 pm
Location: Oval Office
The President met with John D. Ehrlichman, Kathleen O'Melia, Ann Broomell, and Tara
O'Donahue; the White House photographer was present.
Introductions
Future plans
Photo arrangements
Weather
Telephone
President's memos
An unknown girl's trip to Europe
Gifts
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-Books
-President's signature
O'Melia, Broomell, and O'Donahue, and the White House photographer left at an unknown time
before 3:10 pm
President's schedule
-[Unintelligible] Conv. No. 496-12 (cont.)
Congress
-Clark MacGregor
-John W. Byrnes
-Gerald R. Ford
-Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
George P. Shultz entered at 3:10 pm
President's schedule
-Gateway East
-Nelson A. Rockefeller
Congress
-Byrnes
-Wilbur D. Mills
President's schedule
-Railroad presidents' meeting
-Timing
-Deregulation proposals
-Notification of [name unintelligible]
Revenue sharing
-Possible actions by Mills
-Agnew's trip to Tennessee
-Nashville Banner
-Editorial position
-Mills' speech
-Forthcoming report by a Tennessee legislator
-Associated Press story
-Congressional vote
-Possible actions
-Agnew
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Supersonic Transport [SST]
-MacGregor
-Warren G. Magnuson and Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson
-Roles
MacGregor
Washington, D.C. demonstrations Conv. No. 496-13 (cont.)
-News magazines
-H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 3:10 pm
President's schedule
-MacGregor
The unknown person left at an unknown time before 3:15 pm
Washington, D.C. demonstrations
-News magazines
-President's standing abroad
-Robert H. Finch and Donald H. Rumsfeld's report
-Ride with Shultz from Andrews Air Force Base [AFB]
MacGregor entered at 3:15 pm
Revenue sharing
-Mills' speech
-President's February 4, 1971 report to Congress
-MacGregor's meeting with Byrnes
-Committee jurisdictions
-Byrnes' previous meeting with Shultz
-Byrnes' position
-Public announcement
-Mills
-Public statement
-Need
-Tax effort [?]
-Dollar formula
-Criteria
Environment [?]
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-Conservation Federation
-MacGregor’s meeting with an unknown man
SST
-Kenneth E. BeLieu and MacGregor
-Meeting with Magnuson and staff
-Jackson
-Calls Conv. No. 496-13 (cont.)
-Jack Horner[?]
-Magnuson's position
-White House position
-Jackson's position
-Magnuson and staff
-House, Senate action
-Effect
-House and Senate conference committee
-House vote
-Vote changes
-James A. Burke of Massachusetts
-Richards H. Poff
-Health
-[Name unintelligible]
-Call from Shultz
-Message from President
-Lockheed
-George Meany
-White House effort
President's schedule
-Meeting with Mills, May 11, 1971
-William M. Colmer
-John N. Mitchell
-Senators
-Possible postponement of a meeting
-Meeting with Mills
-Time
-SST vote
-Breakfast meeting, May 10, 1971
-Attendants
-John B. Connally
- Ford, Byrnes
-Carl Albert
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Connally
-Schedule, May 24 and May 25, 1971
-Possible appearance before committee on revenue sharing
-Considerations
-Mills
-Schedule
-European meeting Conv. No. 496-13 (cont.)
-May 25, 1971
Revenue sharing
-Mills
-Future meeting with Shultz
-Position
-Agnew
-Shultz's meeting
-Ford
-Mills' possible action
-White House response
-Richard B. Ogilvie and Rockefeller
-General revenue sharing
-Welfare
-Mills
-Edwin L. Harper, Jim Cannon
-Purpose
-Benefits for states and cities
-Mills
-Shultz's meeting
-Time
-A 4:00 meeting with [name(s) unintelligible]
-Agnew meeting
-Rockefeller, Ogilvie
-Agnew
-Ehrlichman and Harper
-Rockefeller
-Mills
-Purpose
-Federalization of welfare
Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 3:15 pm
President's schedule
-Meeting with William P. Rogers
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-Press and photo coverage
Bull left at an unknown time before 3:28 pm
Revenue sharing
-Mills' May 10, 1971 speech
-Wire service reports
-Phrasing Conv. No. 496-13 (cont.)
-Mills
-Shultz's forthcoming meeting
-Time
-Hearings on H. R. 1
-Breakfast
-Byrnes
-Shultz's meeting
-A statement
Ziegler entered at 3:28 pm
President's schedule
-Meeting with Rogers
-Press and photo coverage
Revenue sharing
-Agnew
-Meeting with Ehrlichman and Shultz
Ehrlichman, Shultz, and MacGregor left at 3:30 pm
President's schedule
-Meeting with Rogers
-Press and photo coverage
-Wire services
-Future meetings
Rogers entered at 3:00 pm
Rogers' reports
Rogers' appearance
Photo arrangements
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Ziegler left at 3:30 pm
Middle East
-Joseph J. Sisco
-Egypt
Ziegler and photographers entered at an unknown time after 3:30 pm Conv. No. 496-13 (cont.)
[Camera noise]
An unknown man
Ziegler and photographers left at an unknown time before 3:38 pm.
Rogers' Trip
-Itinerary and schedule
-Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
-Berlin
-Southeast Asia Treaty Organization [SEATO] meeting in London
-Thailand, United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand, Philippines, Pakistan, US
-Purpose
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SEATO
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-Thailand
-President's policies in Vietnam
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-Thanom Kittikachorn[?]
-Reports from Thailand
-A PCC [?] Meeting
-Rogers' position
-International court of justice at the Hague
-Rogers’ discussion with Thanom
Conv. No. 496-13 (cont.)
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5
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THAILAND
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-SEATO meeting
-Dinner with Queen Elizabeth II at Windsor Castle
-Princess Anne, Prince Phillip
-Dinner at Hampton Court
-Sir Alec Douglas-Home
-Edward R.G. Heath
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6
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UNITED KINGDOM
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Donald H. Rumsfeld and Robert H. Finch's Trip to Europe
-Report on support for President
-George P. Shultz
Conv. No. 496-13 (cont.)
Alexander P. Butterfield entered at 3:38 pm
Cabinet meeting, May 11, 1971
-Possible report by Rogers
-Report on desalinization
-John D. Ehrlichman
-Dr. Edward E. David, Jr.
-Length
-President's attendance
-Report by Rogers
-President's attendance
-Meeting on SST
-Report on desalinization
Henry A. Kissinger entered at 3:41 pm.
Butterfield left at 3:42 pm.
Rogers' trip
-British television appearance
-British Broadcasting Company [BBC]
-Walter H. Annenberg's letter
-News accounts
-Annenberg's call to President in Palm Springs
-SEATO meeting
-Queen Elizabeth's dinner
-Rogers' position
-Central Treaty Organization [CENTO] meeting
-Turkey and Iran
-US position
-Turkey, Iran, United Kingdom, Pakistan, and US
-Pakistan and India
-Home
-Support for President's policies on communism
-Turkey
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-New Turkish Government
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[Duration: 8s ] Conv. No. 496-13 (cont.)
TURKEY
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-New Turkish leader, Nihat Erim
-Actions, Reforms
-Drug exports from Turkey
-US policy
-Work with US ambassador
-Statements to press
-US policy
-Rogers’ view
-Congressional support
-Support for US
-Saudi Arabia
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 7
[National Security]
[Duration: 5m 2s ]
MIDDLE EAST
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 7
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-Jordan
-King Hussein ibn Talal
-Fedayeen
-Reception for Rogers
-Palestinians Conv. No. 496-13 (cont.)
-Hussein
-Dinner, drive
-Crown
-Tour with Rogers, Prince and Sisco
-Jordan River Valley
-Dead Sea
-Tour with Hussein
-Christ's Baptismal Site
-A Canal
-Water irrigation
Cabinet meeting, May 11, 1971
-Desalinization
-David
-President's cancer program
-Breeder reactor
-David [?]
-Cost
Middle East
-Water
-Compared with the Imperial Valley of California
-Jordan
-King Hussein
-Position on peace negotiations
-Trip with Rogers to Golan Heights
-Jordan River Valley
-Battles
-1970 War
-1946 War
-Israeli Tanks
-Refugee Camps
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4
[National Security]
[Duration: 2m 20s ]
JORDAN, LEBANON Conv. No. 496-13 (cont.)
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4
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-Lebanon
-Rogers’ departure from Beirut
-Press coverage
-Tour with Lebanese President
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 8
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[Duration: 2m 20s ]
LEBANON
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-Lebanon
-Equipment
-Rogers' drive in Beirut
-Public opinion
-Egypt
-Aswan Dam
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-Security
-Beirut
-Public opinion
-Rogers' actions
-Arabs, Israelis
-Mrs. Gamal Abdel Nasser
-Secretary and Adele Rogers' visit
-Press coverage Conv. No. 496-13 (cont.)
-Abdul Mohammad Hijazi [?]
-El Aram
-Foreign Minister's wife (Mrs. Mahmoud Riad)
-Alexandria
-Effect of Rogers' visit
-Anwar El Sadat
-Jihan Sadat
-Conversation with Rogers
-USSR, US
-Relations with the West
-Pro-Arab stance
-Peace with Israel
-Aharon Yariv [?]
-United Nations
-US
-Improving relations with US
-Suez
-Settlement
-Sudan
-Possible improvement
-Libya
-Mammar Qaddaffi’s view
-Egyptian military
-Suez Canal
-Israel
-Egyptian troop positions
-Observer force
-USSR presence
-Costs
-Diplomatic relations with the US
-Sadat
-Commitment to peace
-Military position
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Ziegler entered at 4:15 pm.
-Ziegler's briefing on Rogers’ trip and report to President
-Language
-Points
Ziegler left at 4:17 pm.
Conv. No. 496-13 (cont.)
-Egypt
-Sadat
-Position
-Israel
-Withdrawal from the Suez Canal
-Compared with Nasser
-Settlement on the Suez
-Reconciliation with Israel
-Relations with US
-Peace initiatives
-US, Israel
-Possible settlement
-Sisco
-Foreign Minister Mahmoud Riad
-Suez Canal
-Press reports
-US role
-Residence
-Nasser
-Rogers' request of Foreign Ministers to See Mrs. Nasser
-Position
-Israel
-Rogers' meetings with Cabinet and Knesset
-Committee on Foreign Affairs and Defense
-Government position
-US position
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 9
[National Security]
[Duration: 12s ]
FOREIGN AFFAIRS Conv. No. 496-13 (cont.)
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-US position, President's position
-Other nations
-US position
-Attendees
-Golda Meir, Moshe Dayan, Yatzhak Rabin
-Abba Eban
-Dayan and Moshe Baram[?]
-David Ben-Gurion
-Meeting with Rogers
-US position
-Press coverage
-US, French, Scandinavian, and Canadian Newspapers
-London Times
-Mrs. Meir
-Dayan
-Mrs. Meir
-Meeting with Rogers
-Past speeches
-UN, Sadat
-Dayan
-Call to Sisco
Bull entered at an unknown time after 4:17 pm.
President's meeting with M. M. Ahmed and Agha Hilaly of Pakistan
Bull left at an unknown time before 4:53 pm.
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Middle East
-Rogers’ trip to Gulf of Aqaba
-General [Name Unintelligible]
-Dayan and Sisco meeting
-Sadat
-Holy places
-Rogers’ second meeting with Israeli cabinet Conv. No. 496-13 (cont.)
-Mrs. Meir
-Egyptians, Sadat
-Ceasefire
-Timing
-Suez
-Possible UN agreement
-Dayan and Baram [?]
-Knesset and Mrs. Meir
-Knesset meeting
-Speeches
-Mrs. Meir
-Military assistance
-F-4 Phantoms
-World opinion
-Speech by Pope Paul VI
-Robert Schumann meeting
-Photo coverage
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 10
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[Duration: 2m 52s ]
JERUSALEM
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Middle East
-Egypt
-Population growth since 1967
-Possible settlement
-Sharm-el-sheik
-UN force
-Neutral nation participation
-Sadat’s view Conv. No. 496-13 (cont.)
-Arab/Egyptian presence
-Israeli role
-Sharm-el-sheik
-Military installations
-Mrs. Meir
Vietnam
-Prisoners of War [POWs]
-Rogers’ statement
-Response
-Further action
-Geneva convention
-President’s proposal
-Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
-South Vietnam
Middle East
-Timetable for settlement
-Federation of Egypt, Libya, Syria
-Sadat
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MIDDLE EAST
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Winston S. Churchill
-President's 1958 meeting
-Ghana and Guinea federation
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Conv. No. 496-13 (cont.)
BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 12
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[Duration: 11s ]
UNITED KINGDOM
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Middle East
-Possible settlement
-Israel
-Rogers' reception in Tel Aviv
-People
-Success
-Arabs
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 13
[National Security]
[Duration: 5s ]
MIDDLE EAST
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 13
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-Possible UN settlement
-Timing
-Yariv[?]
-Jerusalem
-Pope Paul Conv. No. 496-13 (cont.)
-Refugees
-Pope
-Yariv[?]
-Jordan
-Secretary and Mrs. Rogers' trip
-Current situation
-UN
-George H.W. Bush
-Tokyo, Ethiopia
-George W. Ball
-Work
-Rogers' trip
“Salute to Agriculture” exhibit on South Lawn
-Cow and pig
President's schedule
An unknown person's work
Rogers and Kissinger left at 4:53 pm