Nixon, Haig & Haldeman on Public Relations and Congressional Relations

1:13:25I have it.
1:13:27I have it.
1:13:28I have it.
1:13:47And here's the car.
1:14:15Since you obviously enjoy good scenarios, I thought you might like to try some.
1:14:24There you go.
1:14:24Three minutes.
1:14:45You hit the, uh, that's fine.
1:15:29person who is a guest there today, each member who is a guest, and the profession.
1:15:39And of course, to the Senate and Congressmen who are guest officers in this way.
1:15:48But not standing in front of the Senate and Congress,
1:15:53Uh-huh.
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1:16:26Is there any way you could set that off and set it off in a way that would separate sheet of paper so that they could print or something like that?
1:16:40Is there any way you could do that?
1:17:11Thank you.
1:17:11Congressman Blank.
1:17:48Now, we might be able to do that, if I got that before I was done.
1:17:53Not too fancy, not too big, but it's a poison missile.
1:17:59And, uh, not bad.
1:18:02I just thought it was such a nice quote.
1:20:02Why don't they like being caught?
1:20:33You know, they like to stop.
1:20:36If you stop, they'll stop saying that.
1:20:41Uh, Paul Pepper, in motion, mentioned to me about the single tarot.
1:20:46The Archbishop Tarot.
1:20:47He said it's a great thing.
1:20:51It's a great thing.
1:20:54I suppose he called you.
1:20:56I don't know.
1:21:03That's probably the same one.
1:21:34This is very odd.
1:21:35There's a bishop, a Methodist bishop, Walter Ringer, who gave this speech.
1:21:43His sermon is done.
1:21:46Yeah, we've got some of this Episcopal bishop or something.
1:21:52Well, that's why I was wanting to check Claude Petters out, because he's such a terrible guy.
1:22:02He's terrible.
1:22:02I mean, terrible if he arrives.
1:22:05He could be, but I think we better check with somebody else.
1:22:09I heard they have a new son.
1:22:27or else in a paper song, that he was, that he's a young kid who can really talk, too.
1:22:34Yes, that's how I know him.
1:22:35I don't know him at all, but he apparently gets across to the youth and other people and himself well, and he gets you.
1:22:44I don't know who he is either, and I think he can, you know, I mean, tell us something he can also sing, you know, so we can find out who he is, because...
1:22:59Alan, who is Groch?
1:23:07Do you know who he is?
1:23:08Groch, B-R-O-C-H. How do you spell it?
1:23:11Groch, yeah.
1:23:12Well, it's not the Congress today, so I'm not going to say anything.
1:23:21It's just a presentation.
1:23:22What's his background?
1:23:23I won't say anything else.
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1:24:03Yeah.
1:24:04Yeah.
1:24:05Well, if it's his fault, I'll turn him inside out.
1:24:12Yeah, Robo's been injured or something.
1:24:14I didn't call with the same name.
1:24:16But he's not the guy.
1:24:18Good.
1:24:18Good.
1:24:18Well, that's what he wants.
1:24:21He needs it.
1:24:21No, we're here for you.
1:24:24We've got something to do.
1:24:26We'll get you on the line.
1:24:28We'll get you on the line.
1:24:32Yeah.
1:24:32With regard to our conversation with Sexty, I think you'd better do some re-assessment of this volunteer or anything.
1:24:47Because maybe these are the damn things that are going to float.
1:24:55Maybe Sexty is right.
1:24:56Maybe we've got to do the direct extension.
1:25:02I just don't know, I don't want to, I don't want to do it myself.
1:25:06Maybe if I had known horses too great, it wouldn't have meant that much to me.
1:25:16I don't, I don't know.
1:25:16I don't know if I'm going to be able to pass others, because they're on the ground.
1:25:20But would you tell me, I just want to know.
1:25:22Maybe I just think that it would be better for the NSC to take an understanding of this volunteer argument.
1:25:29I'm just, I'm not sure where,
1:25:32I mean, I'm not sure it'll flow.
1:25:34Yeah, even with the war over, I'm not sure that anything will flow.
1:25:39I mean, despite what the Gates Committee said about the rest, I know it's late, and I'm excited that we're going to come down to it.
1:25:48I just think that we could, of course, maybe we're going to find a few other things that might be able to go in.
1:25:55It's already hard to get people to go into service.
1:25:57Although, there are a lot of months in my good life that we still have
1:26:04Correct.
1:26:04Yeah.
1:26:05Okay.
1:26:06Okay.
1:26:06What about another thing?
1:26:08What about Murphy?
1:26:09Is he back yet?
1:26:13Has he reported to us or what?
1:26:22Correct.
1:26:22All right.
1:26:23We're going to roll for that.
1:26:24We're going to fight for that.
1:26:25Let's roll.
1:26:26Great.
1:26:35That's a beautiful last night out there.
1:26:39Oh, it's your dog.
1:26:42It was a success.
1:27:03Yes, it went on forever, and most people left, and I didn't.
1:27:07Ellington was back playing in Vietnam.
1:27:10I just felt like, you know, somebody had to sit there.
1:27:13Yeah.
1:27:15Well, they all stopped to program a program.
1:27:16I think they were supposed to go on, I don't know if she had to go on, but that's funny, for a champagne buffet.
1:27:23But Leo was, it was Brenda and I and Walter in the end.
1:27:26Oh, all right.
1:27:27And James Clark, but, and I gave more in, I don't know, too long, but...
1:27:32Martin Martin started the standard with about 20 of them and the New York Symphony was excellent.
1:27:41Well, they started 20 of 9 and then they didn't finish until about 10 of 10.
1:27:47Then they had an innovation and it took them quite a while to set up the different types of bands.
1:27:56You know, the only thing you can do, and one thing I will, of course, when I arrive, I know that those people are not going to go anywhere unless you run it.
1:28:03Because if you don't run it, we did very well not to run anything.
1:28:07Everybody runs it.
1:28:07I mean, those press people, they did not run anything.
1:28:10They had a master's ceremony.
1:28:11That person was at least three-quarters of an hour too long to begin with.
1:28:15Because I was an hour and a half too long.
1:28:18Because I was an hour and a half too long.
1:28:23It's all right.
1:28:24It was kind of...
1:28:28That makes it worse.
1:28:37We'd like to have the automation.
1:28:39I hope you can, but of course you will.
1:28:41Have it set up so that it isn't small.
1:28:44I'm going to try to see if they can't do that fairly rapidly.
1:28:47Bring it up.
1:28:48Put it on a line of sheet of paper so we can put a small wall.
1:28:52They'll all put it up.
1:28:53I think we may have small parts of it there, which would be very good.
1:28:56Same size of a picture.
1:28:58That's what I thought as well.
1:28:59I'm not really aware of the way it's going to be done.
1:29:06The water from the flood in Hanover is a beautiful point.
1:29:14Is she dating with this guy?
1:29:17Yes, but the guy doesn't know.
1:29:19He's gone.
1:29:19He went to the South.
1:29:21He's wearing a lot of hair, I don't know.
1:30:24My best luncheon she did with these congressmen was the best dinner I've ever made in my life.
1:30:29She ran through the initiative one moment, two minutes later, and I ran through the advice that she'd made in 29 years and had never sat down with a dinner before at any meal in the White House.
1:30:39Oh, really?
1:30:39Didn't any of those people have that in them?
1:30:41Never.
1:30:42The congressman's wife, she had never said no.
1:30:46Even made a congressman for 29 years.
1:30:49One yesterday said, I've been a congressman's wife for 22 years.
1:30:52I had never said no.
1:30:53So why didn't somebody tell that story then?
1:30:57Tell it.
1:30:59Oh, no.
1:31:00I'm not.
1:31:01I'm not.
1:31:01I'm not.
1:31:04I'm not.
1:31:04I'm not.
1:31:05I'm not.
1:31:12Yeah.
1:31:14They killed him.
1:31:17Right.
1:31:17That's Ryan Dunn.
1:31:18See, the women are so jealous that we had to end up right with these men over on that side.
1:31:28We'll make it.
1:31:28I'll tell you what, Helen Thomas was right, for example, or Francis Wilkins.
1:31:32Yeah.
1:31:32And that ain't looking for anything.
1:31:33Right.
1:31:34That's why I think that's a good talk.
1:31:37A good talk.
1:31:38You know what's good.
1:31:39These lunches or something...
1:31:45I was one of the friends.
1:31:46I found a lot of the congressmen sitting there.
1:31:50They sat down for a meal.
1:31:51And I knew that they had been to receptions.
1:31:54So I sat right there, and the congressman's wife, and her senator's wife, who had been to a meal.
1:32:02Why else?
1:32:02Because you repeat over and over again and talk to people.
1:32:05The committee chairman, the president, they come to their title.
1:32:09And the people down the line, the gloves, they say, I was at lunch, boy, I was not there yet.
1:32:15Every congressman's wife and every congressman had an opportunity to meet him at the White House.
1:32:20The congressman had breakfast, the others had lunch, and the distance was one, six, eight, don't say eight, eight times.
1:32:28I've been a congressman for 29 years.
1:32:30Another 22 years.
1:32:31It was the first time in 22 years I had ever sat down for a meeting at the White House.
1:32:47I'll find out if they put it out.
1:32:52I'll see if anything, if they've given any background on that.
1:32:57Well, I think they may have.
1:33:01Maybe they don't understand that this is the important story.
1:33:04This is the important story.
1:33:06Things are going to be fun, fun, fun.
1:33:16And let's see, she looked absolutely beautiful last night.
1:33:19And when she came in, she got a standing ovation.
1:33:26Correct.
1:33:26There's only one, only one embassy.
1:33:29I know there's one embassy.
1:33:32Not in any of those places.
1:33:34I'm checking to see if there's one.
1:33:41I'll talk to, um, Hill about my art stuff.
1:33:44Tom.
1:33:44Well?
1:33:45Uh, we don't have a consulate there.
1:33:48Unless they put something up recently.
1:33:51So I'll find them.
1:33:52Yeah, I see your point.
1:33:54And you know, if the two of them move around like this, I still will talk to Pat about maybe going over at one point and then going into Germany.
1:34:02Go ahead.
1:34:04Where was he?
1:34:06Uh, let's see.
1:34:08Oh, sure though, sure though.
1:34:18You remember, he had been in that same old crowd every time.
1:34:23And, uh, and, uh, he, uh, ran.
1:34:27Mrs. Johnson did.
1:34:29She worked there a day or two.
1:34:31She worked there a day or two.
1:34:35You know, he invited them.
1:34:37The maid didn't try to press an answer, did she?
1:34:40No.
1:34:40The maid didn't.
1:34:41She would not go to them, did she?
1:34:44No.
1:34:44She never went out to the airport to meet anybody when he used the glass.
1:34:47We never miss.
1:34:48Why?
1:34:49Well, you meet him here, which is much nicer.
1:34:53Thank God.
1:35:00We, our crowds would be so miserable.
1:35:02That's all we could do to end it.
1:35:03I climbed through the Washington, well, river through that through the Washington Strait, through the Kansas State.
1:35:08I'm horribly embarrassed by it.
1:35:09I'll do it again.
1:35:10And you would have had to do it, too.
1:35:13I sure would.
1:35:14You grow the churches in the crowd, don't you?
1:35:17Yeah, in the crowd.
1:35:18And that's it.
1:35:19You know, it's a dumb question.
1:35:21I don't know if it's worse now than it was then.
1:35:24Oh, now, yes.
1:35:25Now, you know, it's a black city.
1:35:27I'm sorry.
1:35:30James Anderson came out and said anything.
1:35:33Did she?
1:35:34She said that's right and she keeps telling people and she wants you to keep repeating that reason that she spoke again and I forgot where she told me that but I don't know.
1:35:45Well, that's a quote for a common one.
1:35:47Well, she did say, or she talked about when you were saying your name.
1:35:51Well, you said the quote.
1:35:53Oh, sure.
1:35:54It's not 100% personal information.
1:36:00She said that she tells them all that if John had had the vision that you had to have handled the riots when they were burning and so forth, and just moved in and just taken everybody, you know, just not let them do anything, the country would not be in the bad shape that it is today.
1:36:20Some of the people around here, I must say, they learned a lot.
1:36:24Some weren't worried when they did want to do it.
1:36:31Well, I'm not going to tell the chief to go in there and bust those people and run away from him.
1:36:35I'm here to lie.
1:36:36I stood up for her for her to even know what the public reaction was, and I was right.
1:36:40I thought if the chief of police was ordered to go in and bust somebody, the president would cut him back.
1:36:45The very beginning.
1:36:47And not waiting to see whether the chief comes out or not.
1:36:49Too many people in government are that way.
1:36:52That's right.
1:36:57They'd rather not do anything, because they might be, they might be, once a lot of people leave, they will not be alive.
1:37:07There's some good articles about, too, about the, the news summary text and the business, and that Handel, Clint Handel, Handel, he wrote a book.
1:37:16Nick Timish has written some really terrific articles.
1:37:19I don't know if you've seen any of his interviews, but he's written quite a few extremely good articles as far as you're concerned and you're a fan.
1:37:27And on those kids, he really, he spelled it out what they were like.
1:37:34Stop it.
1:37:35Stop it.
1:37:40I hope he can't.
1:37:41If I can tell those little things that, uh, Harlan said, that's going to be...
1:37:50They didn't really talk to these guys.
1:37:53They were so touched by them that he couldn't... Harlan, those guys, he can't get out.
1:38:02He's a really good director.
1:38:03I think he should memorize Harlan.
1:38:10I'll do a lot of things you don't like to say.
1:38:16All right.
1:38:18Rose, that meeting with Albert's secretary seems to be very important to us.
1:38:29She's probably down in Seattle.
1:38:33She said, she really doesn't know what the problem is.
1:38:37She said, you know, some person comes in from out of town, and they invite me, and I just think, I've got to go.
1:38:43I go, and he said, I can't.
1:38:45I have a couple of drinks, and they really hit me, and I'm so tired.
1:38:49I said, you've got to quit.
1:38:50I said, just don't go.
1:38:52I said, I won't.
1:38:53You leave this office, you go home, and I assume it's for somebody above you.
1:38:57You don't have to go to anything below you.
1:39:00Speakers should not go to something for every jackass that comes in.
1:39:03I said, they're gonna, they're gonna, they've done enough.
1:39:06Paul Carnegie spoke up even better and said, yes, if you do that, go to the reception.
1:39:11Get your picture taken and get the hell out of there.
1:39:14That's what you have to do.
1:39:15Which is what we do.
1:39:16Oh, it doesn't matter.
1:39:17In fact, I don't know.
1:39:18I didn't know what you mean by that.
1:39:19Go to the reception.
1:39:20Shake your hands.
1:39:21How do you do?
1:39:22Glad to be here.
1:39:23Leave.
1:39:26But you know what?
1:39:27And I said to her, I said, well, I said, Harrison, my experience in many ways is that I didn't.
1:39:32I said, Harrison, my experience, we went through it all.
1:39:37For the first four years, I almost killed myself.
1:39:40The next four years, we stopped and it didn't make a goddamn difference.
1:39:44Nobody messaged me.
1:39:46The idea that there are certain things you could do, one a year, just goes a little high.
1:40:11The girl just got to, just regret it when he, you know, already came in.
1:40:16That's what people expect.
1:40:17That's good to know.
1:40:19Because he's probably his own worst enemy.
1:40:20A lot of guys on the floor, they say, Joe, you're coming to the reception tonight.
1:40:26He goes back to his office, he's laying on the floor.
1:40:29So, as I think he was, he was one of the loudest talkers.
1:40:33That's the way I have to respond.
1:40:36Well, I thought you were one of the best liars I knew.
1:40:41I had a lot of friends with the Black Men for the second year.
1:40:43We lied to some of our best friends.
1:40:47Best friends?
1:40:49Thank God.
1:40:49But most of them that we lied to, we don't have.
1:40:53So it didn't turn out right.
1:40:56They didn't lie to us.
1:40:58They didn't.
1:40:59They didn't.
1:41:00They know that the poor man is killing himself.
1:41:04They're all killing themselves.
1:41:06The best thing that's happened to me is that we have, for the last three weeks, have not had too many heavy evenings.
1:41:13Seven o'clock comes around here and I don't want to work anymore.
1:41:19Do I please?
1:41:20Just so you don't go to anything.
1:41:23I got quite a lot of responses.
1:41:26I'll tell you.
1:41:26Apart from my loss, I don't know.
1:41:28Yeah, it was a mess.
1:41:37Let me ask you this.
1:41:38I.K.
1:41:38Roosevelt was planning on trying to work, because one of these congressmen told me, his wife, the old business, my wife, she said, for 22 years I've been here, it's the first time she ever said I'm not going into the White House.
1:41:52Another congressman said, for 29 years, he said I'm not going into the White House.
1:41:56He doesn't understand that kind of publicity.
1:41:59That's the most important kind, see what I mean?
1:42:02So I told Rose to find out, I heard Eric got out, and that's...
1:42:06I don't know how else you can tell her, but does Connie realize that that's what's really, it's an action center, it's just like, you have a ricochet all over the place.
1:42:14Do you have anybody over in that office who understands that?
1:42:19Does she see that, or does she see her job more just as a, rather than a step up, straight up?
1:42:25That's the kind of thing, Connie, that's the kind of point she's talking about.
1:42:30She usually does, she usually got these two points.
1:42:33These are Democrats and Republicans.
1:42:37First of all, you're doing a nice thing, but then no one else has done it.
1:42:42That's the trick.
1:42:45When we're there, those bastards will not write it.
1:42:49On the other hand, somebody like Harold Collins or Louisville will write it, but they ain't got nothing else to write about.
1:43:01Well, have they got any new ideas yet?
1:43:10The programs are just maybe it's a trade.
1:43:17We put sapphire and boron and scallion in a bag, sure, and see what they come up with.
1:43:24You know what I mean?
1:43:27The sapphire and boron and scallion.
1:43:31They're not going to stand by and talk, but they're good at that.
1:43:34So I think, well, I hear research people like, say, let's name some of the younger guys.
1:43:42I guess, yeah, like Andrews and Koch.
1:43:46Andrews, Koch, and Krutikian, some of those guys that have, right, are less inhibited, maybe.
1:43:54That's what I was thinking in terms of...
1:44:03Well, those...
1:44:04In a way, that's true.
1:44:04In another way, those are all things that only a second of people are interested in.
1:44:12Sure.
1:44:13So you can play...
1:44:32One deal for that type, another deal for that.
1:44:34It's just, they don't, they don't tie together.
1:44:37You know what I'm saying, sir?
1:44:39No.
1:44:42They've got to fight for health, for kids, for health, for education, for work, for peace.
1:44:51All the peace that we're certified for that.
1:44:54There's got to be a...
1:44:57Maybe an outsider right now.
1:45:29But we used to go through this kind of gathering.
1:45:32It was terrible.
1:45:54I think I'll hold on that ship from Ohio.
1:45:57That's what you want to do?
1:45:58Yes, sir.
1:45:59I don't have any ship from Ohio.
1:46:02Then I'll find out what the name of that airline is.
1:46:07And I just want to have a copy.
1:46:12What does this mean?
1:46:16John Mitchell.
1:46:17John Coffey.
1:46:18Coffey, Mitchell, Cox, and Fleming.
1:46:20Must be on the same person.
1:46:27Well, I don't know why they're doing it.
1:46:31That's the point.
1:46:36I'd like to know who the hell is moving stuff.
1:46:38I don't know why, but for what reason?
1:46:41I hope he is.
1:46:42I hope he's an ass.
1:46:45If it could well not be, though, if it could well not be, it could well be political stuff.
1:46:51I don't know what it is.
1:46:59won't judge it over.
1:47:00Let's find out.
1:47:04I'm going to tell them they can't do it.
1:47:06And I'm going to tell them why they have to.
1:47:17I think we're sure we've got problems in Florida.
1:47:19Why create problems in Ohio to cure girls?
1:47:22Let's take the not bad things out of Massachusetts.
1:47:24Take something out of Massachusetts.
1:47:26Take something out of Massachusetts.
1:47:29Can we do that?
1:47:29We're in Massachusetts.
1:47:32We're in Minnesota.
1:47:33That's a good idea.
1:47:37That makes a lot of difference, doesn't it?
1:47:45And maybe there was a hell of a good reason to make it look that way.
1:47:48And it was going to come down.
1:47:52And if we could really push that, we could traumatize them, we could get them all over the river.
1:47:58And the name I was pushing for was New Water, the new water program.
1:48:03I saw somebody left on my desk, a little fellow left with a water drop that says New Water.
1:48:10I don't know whether they'd already got a new water program.
1:48:13Was that what they were calling it in there?
1:48:18A new water program.
1:48:24That's what it is, in a way.
1:48:25Not the fresh water, the clean water.
1:48:27It's not the fresh water.
1:48:28That's the point.
1:48:28It's new water.
1:48:31You're making, in effect, you're making more water.
1:48:35Just call it a new water program, which is different than fresh water.
1:48:38Fresh water is sometimes another environmental program.
1:48:40A new water program.
1:48:46I know the problems.
1:48:49She's crushed and competes too much with other programs they've got.
1:49:01That's the problem with our whole reorganization thing.
1:49:05We're going right against our own time.
1:49:08We're doing exactly what Johnson and everybody else.
1:49:10Johnson's like this.
1:49:12He's sending separate programs outside of the
1:49:15It's exactly what he was doing, because it's the way you get something happening, you get some credit for it.
1:49:20Goddamn right.
1:49:22But do more of them.
1:49:22That's why you set up 400 of them like that.
1:49:27You can't get a counterculture for two goddamn dollars.
1:49:31You can't get credit for very many, but you can sure take the half of those that are your babies, your pet projects that you ride dirt on, that you're always running around and like them.
1:49:44Park business is one misaffected insurer.
1:49:48But I don't want you to deal with that.
1:49:50The administration gives you every damn little park there is.
1:49:56The parks are a pride of mine.
1:50:01And we've done something.
1:50:03If we want the water, we might get a break.
1:50:09And we've done something.
1:50:10a good handle because they're both the right thing to do.
1:50:12They both have to be done.
1:50:14You've got to bust through both of those problems.
1:50:18You put the initiative in and one of them pops up on your ear and you just get it.
1:50:24That's what you're basically talking about.
1:50:28I don't know why he did that.
1:50:31It's a total reaction to the Bay of Pigs.
1:50:34Yeah.
1:50:35The Bay of Pigs can happen to people's minds.
1:50:37You got the back of his hand.
1:50:40And he thought it true.
1:50:41But that he threw out on one that there's no chance, was no chance of a payoff unless you get a man on the moon by 1970.
1:50:46He knew it wouldn't be done while he was there.
1:50:51These things could be done while you're here.
1:50:52It's not likely.
1:50:54In either case, but it is impossible.
1:50:58What?
1:50:58Yeah, that's for sure.
1:51:02And cancer helps.
1:51:03Sometimes, you know, it just may make a break.
1:51:04Sometimes somebody's going to get up in the morning and have discovered the thing.
1:51:11Real?
1:51:13Yeah.
1:51:17The diversity of things like that.
1:51:20I mean, a lot of people don't give a thing about medicine.
1:51:23A lot of people don't care about water.
1:51:28But it definitely appeals to the way we do.
1:51:30It has to appeal to California, Texas, and the whole lot of people who aren't worried about their lives.
1:51:45Yes.
1:52:15I just think that we're doing a lot of good things, although we know the company should have a lot of Congress and what's the matter.
1:52:23We may be running the show better.
1:52:25I think we are.
1:52:26But you don't know what I'm saying.
1:52:28That's the big problem.
1:52:30I don't think people really know, even if they appreciate the fact that things are going well.
1:52:35I just wonder.
1:52:36Yeah, but I think it's something they kind of figure that's expected from us.
1:52:42Expecting our corrects to achieve, we're honest.
1:52:51Efficiency?
1:52:52Well, we're not.
1:52:53Relatively, we are, but on an absolute scale, we're not, because the government just did.
1:52:58And we never will be.
1:52:59There's no way that we're going to run into police proficiency.
1:53:04I was wondering how you'd be able to get that cancer then to arrive.
1:53:07I think so.
1:53:08Yes, Richardson did a pretty good job, and
1:53:12I said a little bit about the desalination thing today.
1:53:15The clean water thing.
1:53:39One of the previous discussions was the greater reactor and so forth, indicating that all of this was part of what you had under discussion and study here.
1:53:48Yeah, we're going to have something on that, too.
1:53:51Well, I've left it.
1:53:51Yeah, I know.
1:53:52We will have something.
1:53:53I don't know when, but we do.
1:53:55We may just wrap it up in one thing.
1:53:57It's a package.
1:53:58I've got to have a program.
1:54:00Richardson does very well.
1:54:01Decolonization is an enormous thing.
1:54:05They should.
1:54:06They should.
1:54:07Put each other on the hill.
1:54:38No, I don't even agree with that.
1:54:41Unless we decide to hit this Manseal thing.
1:54:43What's that?
1:54:45On the European troops.
1:54:49The European?
1:54:51The troops.
1:54:52Manseal is submitting a resolution today on the reduction of U.S. forces in Europe by history.
1:54:57All right.
1:54:58This is not a good position.
1:55:06No, that's right.
1:55:07He was out there withdrawing two divisions last year of troops, so that's half.
1:55:12Well, this is a resolution he intends to, I think, put...
1:55:17I don't think so.
1:55:18I don't think so.
1:55:19Save money.
1:55:21Save money, I guess, in fueling that... His line is that if we have 50% that's making troops, we will be 50% more effective.
1:55:33We've got too many people, we've got too many generals sitting around off-street clubs.
1:55:36He's pretty sure about that.
1:55:37He's sure he is.
1:55:39He's talking about actual threats.
1:55:42And if you're worried about that, his argument is that people should use some cold, tight troops in there, about half as many as you've got, and shape them up.
1:55:52They're going to tell the Europeans they've got to put some defense in for themselves.
1:55:56It's always real that way at this moment with the Europeans.
1:55:59He's not on the bed, look it.
1:56:00People would prefer to get the hell out of here, period.
1:56:05They don't want anyone over there.
1:56:07He's not in the bedroom at all.
1:56:09Okay, I won't say a thing.
1:56:12I don't get into it at all, I understand.
1:56:28I guess that's not a comment.
1:56:33You don't have to.
1:56:34No, our position has been stated.
1:56:41Okay.

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