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I hope that you won't offend me, perhaps.

We can get away last night until 6, where we, uh, make sure she was over with anybody who was with us.

Oh, it fits all.

About 7, I went out to have a drink with Richard Tobin for a few minutes.

Dick Tobin, the barber, huh?

They're gonna do, uh, you see, it says, he's the Vice President, Postage Manager of Saturday Review, and Cousins asked me to do it.

Oh, Saturday Review Literature, okay.

Cousins ask them to do a good editorial on the great moves you have made to strive for peace.

So I got them together with kids to do this.

So you have facts in front of you.

The Saturday Review is a bigger deal to them than they used to be in the CBS.

Now I know you've been talking to them a long time.

That's all they wanted was a lot of this sort of stuff.

Now Tobin was so pleased that his cousins wanted to do it, you know, to do a really good one, so.

But I haven't heard from the Grimes.

No, they were invited to Nancy Lammerding's dinner and they regret it.

They are, Helene is not invited to the party Tricia's giving tonight, so.

I call that one.

That's over here.

That's the wedding party with a few added.

There's a lot of the cops.

Well, not a lot, but a few people.

And I think she added the ring.

I hope she doesn't add it.

Well, she wasn't added as of yesterday, so.

I hope not, because when, you know, I don't think she will.

She's too old for that group.

Well, I don't know.

She's going to go in and sit with them.

She may.

Probably Pat and Mrs. Cox.

But I don't think they want to mix her name with Mrs. Cox anymore.

It would be nice to not have them together before the wedding.

The way the party came home, that's the opposite of the bachelor party.

That's right.

The bachelors, look, the people who are going to the bachelor dinner are coming over, as I understand it, I don't know the timing, but around 6 or 6.15.

And I don't know whether they're having a drink over here or whether they're just going to I.C.

to give.

Then the men are going to the 1925 F Street Club and the women are going upstairs to have a dinner upstairs.

They regret it, but maybe they may have called somebody else in town here to take, you know, to bring their whole family, because they've got two boys and...

I just wanted to know.

I think it'll be a better party.

But I just hope they don't bother you.

She used to work in the press office, and now she works in protocol and does a terribly good job on the luncheons and things over there.

Oh, yeah.

She gave a black-tie dinner for Pat and Shelly.

Her father died and left her just oodles of money.

This party's in honor of... She's in the right place.

She was over here in the press office and was kind of out of... Yeah, she's great at the social... She's sort of kooky in a way, but she's...

But she settles down a lot.

She's just superb.

She really does a great job on the luncheon.

She was around during the campaign, but everybody does well.

Well, but she really put on, they are so clean.

Well, not here.

She doesn't do these here.

State Department.

Yeah.

Anyway, she had lots of money, and she was giving this for the Keith, and then she asked me for names, and I answered all you guys.

When Paul Keith was here, he lived at the Watergate, and you could pick the paper.

There you go.

It's just something for her.

They may not have known.

They probably don't know who Nancy Lannan is.

Probably right.

And they may not.

You know, it's a good list.

I guess.

I'll almost imagine that she'll be here first tonight.

No, she won't be here.

Jack can't crash today.

Marty can't.

And he's having like 12 people.

Now that's, the bachelor dinner is pretty, pretty well.

I didn't know.

You didn't know that?

Well, but I don't think that, I don't know that the Cox was very well, but I can't believe that Jack Brown could walk into the S Street Club and walk in on that bachelor dinner.

I don't get it.

Just from all I've heard of Howard Cox and some other people, they would just say, I'm sorry, you weren't invited.

They must have something else to do, you know.

I invited all the kids to the Taylor House so that they have no reason to stay over here and wait to clean up the hall or anything.

Well, I know, but that way they have to come.

Incidentally, the man at GSA called me about Taylor House.

I didn't even know that, and I told you it's a beautiful place for a garden.

In back of it, they also have, he called me for one thing, we might have people we need to have something to do with over the weekend.

And they do have like a little courtyard with fountains, and he said it's a beautiful garden in the back, so that if we just had to get some people away to sit out somewhere, which was very sweet of him.

That's, you know, that, there are some of these places, we forget about those, Decatur House over here, that we could, what was Decatur?

And Cato is better than Decatur for a party.

It, it, I was just greatly impressed with what you can do with that house.

And it didn't have the garden.

It belongs to the judicial conference or something like that.

It's under the judges of some, something, but it's run by GSA, and it... We can use it any time we want.

It is lovely.

It's a little bit of money, and it's for college.

To the wedding?

Yes.

Yeah, he was not.

No other judge.

You know, he was invited to Connecticut.

We didn't need to know.

No, he wasn't invited to Louisiana.

Harlow.

Jeff Berger, I believe, is the only one they sent.

Oh, Harlow.

Bryce Harlow.

That one should have been.

I know.

There's a hell of an issue.

Well, it should have been.

There's about 10,000 people.

Yeah, it should have been.

There's more than a thousand officers and so forth.

Oh yeah, but there's just so many, you know, I think that they did as many as they could.

Because you don't have Van Gogh, you don't have...

I know, but that's...

In fact, we've got a pretty good rule that is, you've got these white house assistants and old friends and their friends.

Which, I mean, they have a long time.

See, it doesn't go back as far as some of the others.

No, but we left off Jack Blyther, who goes back further than any of them.

I know.

I know, but I mean, they all have a place.

And they can all point to Ray Armstrong and say, why did he come when we didn't?

Of course, Ray.

Yeah.

Norman and

I think they did a magnificent job on the list.

I'm just saying, don't worry about, like, one person.

You can name 500, and I think that's the very best you could do.

Bryce isn't the kind who'd be hurting Adam.

Well, I think he is.

I think we're using him for some purposes without him being very important.

Well, if he understands that, that's a... Let me tell you that if you want, we can call Bryce and Adam.

Tom, because Murphy, you told me if I asked today...

He appreciated it.

He would like to have the invitation to say that he is making a speech for the party in Loftport, New York.

Great.

But he was behind.

No, I thought you were representing him.

See, Tricia used to work for him.

Well, that's it.

And if we have major expectations.

He was absolutely thrilled.

I frankly think you ought to call Bryce.

What do you think about it?

You've got to go for two more.

He's in 402 now.

No, it's not going to.

It's down to about 382, but then that doesn't count.

Then you've got six full prayers.

It's about 390, not counting all the other people who are always standing, you know, always have to be around.

But you can't worry about that.

We could do it.

I really need to have to call over to the house.

I'll just tell them.

I'll call Bryce and tell him that we've been trying and that you wanted it and... Sure you will.

I think I'll just do that.

I think that'd be very nice.

Well, uh, the boat's free for me tonight in case I get trapped.

The boat has been free all week.

The boat is always free.

The only night it isn't is Friday night.

You're tied up Friday night.

And the boat's serving noble purpose.

Friday night, you're taking the boat.

The Ryan and the next one's in.

I'm trying to mix in a few people, but he's, I don't know who's going to like him.

No, I do not.

Under no circumstances, this is the big purpose of it, give the Ryans and the Nixons something that the Drowns do not get, and I hope they keep the Drowns completely off the support.

They have to have something to say.

They did.

No, thank you.

The Ryan kids may not even go on.

Ned said that the boys, all those kids, they've never been back here really.

They want to go to Georgetown.

Actually, the kids would a hell of a lot rather be let loose by their folks than have to sit on that damn boat.

They want to go out to Georgetown and watch all the hippies.

You know, they hear all these things.

The folks like to sit and have a little booze, but the others would rather take a travel.

After the first 15 minutes, that boat ain't much as far as the kids would pass.

That's right.

It's a really conversation.

Well, that's what Ned felt.

If you get these kind of kids, they don't want to be with the old people.

Yeah.

Do you think of anyone else from the White House that I should ask could go on that?

No, no, no, Keith and House of Crown.

That's the family.

Well, but you need to mix a few in there.

I did ask the Keys.

They've never been on it.

And also, he's funny.

There won't be any fights while he's there performing.

Going along, yeah.

That's exactly why they got in there.

How does he get along with them?

I'm sure he stays away from her as much as possible, but I'm sure he also just laughs at whether any...

I bet he has.

He's the type who would drop something that she wouldn't quite catch.

Very subtle, like... Like, why are you so goddamn dumb?

But she won't be around until he is then, except the wedding.

What do you think, Rosas?

Everybody?

very good shape i think on all that yeah no i just didn't know if there was anybody here that you think ought to go to talk you know to be around for dawn for jane and for the ryan for anything i don't know if there's anyone who might maybe there's some people who might never get on sequoia any other way make points with a few people too i don't you know i just hadn't

You can't really take someone from here who isn't going to the wedding because the people are all here for the wedding and they'll be talking about it.

Well, except some of these people here who are never going to get on the Sequoia either.

Well, I was even thinking of people like that Jack Coffey and his wife.

They never get invited.

You know, they need the top drawer things.

And I know she loves to go to parties.

I don't mean them particularly.

I'm thinking if we have some other people in the White House.

March.

They'd probably like that too.

That would be a good idea.

You wouldn't suggest it because... That's what I mean.

And they would say... That would be good.

And it's a good way to do something for Phil.

Yeah, because they're part of it.

And I'm inviting Nancy Lammerton because of her taking on about 14 people for me tonight.

They'd party the rest of the year.

That's a good idea.

They would, because they know all the people.

Yeah.

How about John Mays?

Maybe John Mays.

Sounds good.

Because they're not nice in the way that I get them.

Boy, that's a hell of a good idea.

Why, let's beat some people.

No, they're coming with it.

Even some.

Well, they're going to be at the party tonight, too, his family.

And both of them have been on support.

Because one night we all went out.

Well, and also, he'd be very good with all his people.

He'd be awfully good.

I don't think I asked them, because they're...

I don't know if they were going to...

They're excited tonight.

Wouldn't do any good to them, but it would hurt his...

Yeah, Herb was invited to Nancy's.

I'll check whether they're going to be at Nancy's tonight.

I just think that those people see some of these people at one time.

That's what I meant.

Should we ask somebody that would inspect them?

Sequoia, actually, for people who are adults,

who want to sit, pray for a half hour, eat for three quarters of an hour, sit around and so forth and talk.

It's very good.

Well, and it's pretty.

If it's a nice light coming back in, that view of Washington is magnificent.

And they've never been on it.

It's the presidential yacht.

They're going to be thrilled today.

It's a big deal.

Anyone, you know.

And see, we're going to have a buffet.

That's why we're holding it to 36.

We're going to have a buffet.

Craig Campbell has a little combo, to be honest, to have music.

So it'll be very nice.

Probably going to have a lot more fun than the rehearsal dinner.

Oh, all right.

I think it's somebody else.

I've saved a few.

But, but I'll get, John Davies would be great, so they can come.

She would.

I think it's, you know, I've said it, haven't I?

And I think she said she was inviting everybody at 12 or so.

To go through the gifts.

I would say, yes, I would.

That's when she'll get them.

That's when I check out.

Right.

You've seen gifts.

I should, too, you know, because then, also, I like to check out.

I will say it hasn't done that right.

That's really how it is.

Yes, you don't have to.

And you've already seen the gifts.

I don't think there's no need for you doing this.

I think we're doing no good by these people because this isn't like an inauguration where there has to be a party going on every minute.

And they really are being entertained.

Yeah, they really should come.

You know, oh well, maybe you couldn't keep relatives away from the White House, would you?

But once they're here, the fact that I'm having men here is the big thing now.

Yeah.

They have the invitation.

I got to take them to go home and talk about the Gillette thing.

That's right.

Everybody can see it on TV.

I hope everything's been good for you, Michael.

I'd like to say, tell the ladies to stay over.

Just in case that you might want to go.

Yeah, they are going, because I think they're good with people, and also he and others.

Well, I thought about Jack Sherwood, because they all know him.

They don't know New Brands.

No.

I had New Brands at Don's party.

I think the next girl was the cutest.

I got Rex the half way through the night before the wedding.

It's just, it's just, Rex and Dorothy Scout should be invited sometime on to Poya, because they're just fantastic.

Believe you me, he is.

He is so capable, and yet, so cool, and he is an unusually terrific fellow.

outstanding education, anything like that, and he just came up, he just walked along, he'd just be like an interesting person.

But he's basically fine with it.

But what I meant is he also has great ability that would never have been discovered unless you give him that top job, otherwise he'd be around for the rest of his life.

Well, he had a lot of, he's always had that, but he's done him with the assistant usher, and he loves the White House.

That's it.

He has great dedication to keeping it, you know, and running everything covered.

I must say, that story is magnificent.

I wrote it down for the Hippomanic Reception.

Oh, I saw it on paper.

It must be beautiful.

That's what the Johnsons did to that piece.

They decorated it.

Boy, what that's good.

It's got a sound beginning to look like something from a place.

He made a claim over here.

It was a super move.

He's doing an awful good job.

He's getting some credit himself, but boy, he moves it all the path, all the gunfire.

Yes, he does a good job.

And this, like, the difference between the whole lighthouse and what it was when we came in is...

I wonder if the club was a part of it.

Yes.

Man, because he's there.

I wondered that Johnson's probably didn't give presents to everybody, or gifts or money or something to the White House staff who get all worked in a bad way.

I'm probably going to see if you think we should.

I don't.

I don't think we should.

I think if you get into it, it's a hell of a lot of money.

It's a lot of money, and I think if you get into it, where do you stop, you see?

Because the one you see working may not have done as much as somebody who was behind things doing the work.

I know.

Well, I just don't...

Permanent employees, I don't see you...

I don't think you're supposed to give money to government employees.

I don't think... You don't give money to people.

I think the way you do that... Let him have a little bit of time off.

And you do it right, and Johnson's never good, is you treat them like human beings.

And you show your appreciation without... Johnson's typical thing would be he'd run around slapping a $100 bill in everybody's hands.

That's right.

Well, I have maybe tested them out ten minutes before, you know.

Yeah, but I think on the long haul, people appreciate being treated like human beings when... Today, of course, if Don calls, he's in.

He doesn't get in until 5.30 tonight.

I know the time for the arrival is almost 30.

I understand that if he calls, though, I would have to see him.

I understand that.

He didn't ask you, I thought.

He covered me in a couple of things, and he said at the end of the conversation, he said, I hope we'll see you over the weekend.

You know, you've got to say this for him, you know, knowing his bed and everything, and his closest sister.

You compare him with Jack and Elaine, they're just, he's not any better, is he?

Yes, he is.

Well, John's doing better, knowing the problem he's got internally.

He's doing well.

You've got to give him some credit, though, or something.

He's trying.

Yeah, he is, and I say...

He calls me now.

He doesn't start finagling, and he always apologizes for bothering, but he says, you know, so-and-so called him, and I understand that.

The poor guy's in a tough spot.

Everybody jumps at him.

Oh, you think you have a lot of attitude, but you can't run?

Well, and the other thing, I agree with you.

No matter, after all, he is a brother, and if he promotes it, but the Johns promote constantly to your best friend.

Yeah, I think the Johns are a disgrace to the Johns.

Well, I think what gets me is putting it in the paper.

I think it's turning me out, you know, God damn, they must know how tough that is for my wife.

Oh, well, I mean, he does know that, but... Don is, this compulsive, he's trying to be good at anything, right?

It's just basically, he will help.

Yeah.

Now, the combats are in the way and will be back here, but I didn't think I'd put them on that boat with Donovan because Herb has to handle something.

I hope that judgment was right.

Oh, no, absolutely.

Keep people away.

That doesn't come to bad news.

No, you're right.

Because I like the combats very much, but I just thought it was better not to.

It doesn't mean anything.

And they won't catch it.

No, you don't need to hand-hold them.

Herb's got work to do with the firestone and some other things, and he's going to use the weekend for other purposes.

Yeah.

It's a firehouse, isn't it?

Yes.

God damn it, it should be dinner and get ahead and over with and get out and get out of there.

They had to have a toast.

It was over there with you and Pat to be alluded to.

Be sure you get out of there without the drones to come back for a drink.

The drones?

Right.

They'll be there.

And whoever is on duty should go.

Be sure that you're ushered out fast.

That just burns me up.

I didn't do any good because they all said, well, that's what Patricia wanted.

I know Pat put it to her.

Somebody out there on the plane must have gotten Patricia on that because she has no reason to be at that dinner.

None.

Not a goddamn thing.

I know, but it's done and... Well, I gotta get hers if she gets you.

You're oldest and closest to her ass, I know.

They shouldn't have either one of them.

Trisha put both of them in.

I don't know if I don't know.

He's pretty close to the girls.

He's a hell of a lot closer than the drowns.

He's been closer and better to them basically.

In recent years, because Trisha's been down there in Florida and all that, he's spent a lot of time.

But you see, the drowns years ago, and they...

Well, anyway, let's forget it.

Do the best we can.

I think we've got to say, I hadn't thought of that.

We do have to get back and not have them come over here and go far around the line.

Oh, you get a little beat.

He's the tape that I held off of that there.

That's not ready to blow her sack.

She's got to go home and rest.

Okay?

But he can invite them over somewhere for a drink or something.

They may not go, but he can do it.

But your people, and Bob can tell them, I just think your people have to be ready to move and maybe step on their toes if they try to get in the parade.

You just have to be, you really need to use a body block sometimes for her life.

Take the car back.

Just don't let anybody say that it's a lovely evening.

Let's ride back.

Oh, wow.

See, that's where they come along.

That's why I brought it up.

Walk out and get in your car.

It's only across the street, but get in your car's security.

Just zap, and they can get you in and out of the stairs before anybody can let me go.

That's what he did.

He picked the grounds up that night.

That's his assignment.

I'll save him for Sunday.

That's good.

He's getting up tomorrow, Friday, tomorrow's Friday sometime.

He was invited to the party tonight and he was invited to the bachelor party tonight.

Okay, well, I'll find out what... You're a jack of the bunch.

What's this?

You're an investor.

I'll come on time.

No.

No, I'm trying hard to entertain you so you don't... That's the point.

I'll invite them.

I have a cocktail to come.

She's not awake.

They're coming tonight then.

They're not coming.

They're not going to be... You're not going?

You're not going to anything tonight.

Tomorrow you'll see them at five.

Saturday night.

They're going to the .

And we're going to make sure they're going .

That was the big pitch they had .

Yeah, that's good.

And so, Sunday, it'll be over, and then I'll be out.

I think that's right, but I'll take off right after that.

Because then maybe Jack will go home Monday morning with the boys, and you'll run the length.

I don't know if that's going to hurt her to go back Thursday.

She's definitely going to stay.

She'll be coming, sure.

Good.

So, whether we can establish that she'll go back.

And we just work out the, I guess we'll have to work out the trip to Maine.

Work it out without her going.

And I think if she's here...

We didn't tell her to go home.

Pat didn't want to.

We just won't do that.

Because you can't plan Pat's schedule.

If you talk to Pat, they need to do that.

They have a schedule for her in Rochester.

I can answer about...

Does she think she's taking Elaine to Maine now?

I haven't discussed it.

I just want to be sure that she knows we can't take anybody with us to...

I know I'm so dumb, but she knows how to be smart.

She knows how to be an actor.

No, I think we just tell Elaine to take off.

Don't you think?

There's a way you can get that across that...

Well, I don't think, I don't think, well, Julie may know whether she's going to stay beyond Thursday, and since her mother is talking about the Rochester schedule.

She said her mother is going to Rochester, and she should kind of go with her.

I won't have her on the plane on corruption, that's for sure.

No, she shouldn't.

Maybe she should, but we don't plan to do it.

Well, you can't, because Pat's got an independent schedule, I tell you.

So we'll get .

Let me ask Julie.

Julie, I asked Julie how she thinks we ought to get at it.

Julie will give you some advice.

And then in Maine, we'll just be in Maine, there's just a house, just a small house.

Julie, one time wanted me to call them and tell them that there weren't really enough bathrooms.

But we can't do that.

No, don't lie about it.

You can't do something phony like that, because if she weren't ever going to see it, it'd be fine.

No, I'm just saying that these combinations are not adequate.

It's just not... Not adequate for that... Not suitable.

They're not really what we think is suitable for African people.

They're not.

It's just a pretty plain, plain place.

Except my...

Your red eyes look like mine, don't they?

Well, basically, what we're going to do is this and that.

This is the way they think it is right now.

It's like I've stayed out between now and the day of the next election, whenever they want.

The 9th.

I think so, isn't it?

Yeah.

72-0.

Yeah.

No, someone told me that.

It's not great because they're having it exactly a year from the election.

That's why.

It could be.

I'll look on the channel.

But hey, whatever it is, the first two elections, the second one, could be the 78th.

Whatever the case is, to the end, we are trying to be, we're trying to be totally ruthless with regard to the grounds, and everybody else, we know.

No doubt in that first time.

Attitudes told me we cannot allow any of those things to interfere with the greater purpose.

And there are too many things I've seen.

We just decided yesterday we're going to come to Canada.

Henry wanted me to go to Canada.

A few other places I said, hey, I'm going to help us.

Sign the Okinawa Treaty.

He said, he's going to help us.

Nobody likes the goddamn Japanese.

At the present time, I'm going to sign the treaty that Roger signed.

No, you get pressure.

Like that Canada stuff, because all the social acts want to get that young girl done.

I feel that.

I'm not going to go to Canada.

I'm not going to see that son of a bitch again.

She said something wrong, and they're going to hear a rush, and they're going to get me out of there.

Thank you.

That's where the pressure's coming from there, because they think she's another jack-of-all-trades, cute young thing, and I agree, it's just fine.

That's where the pressure's coming from.

We run the parties down here.

Fine, fine, fine.

They can't come.

So you go up there, which is great, then, to stay out of here.

That's good.

I'm not going to go this year.

We're not going yet.

I'm wondering what I could express to you.

But I'm sure that the Social Gala writers and all the people there, and the embassy people there, are pushing.

And they're really pretty shallow groups.

That's all I think about.

They sure do, don't they?

Well, we've done very well, honestly.

I don't think it's going to rain this afternoon.

Let's just keep that stopped.

It may help.

It may or may not.

Who knows?

There'll be white carpet out there, huh?

If you get to the middle of the desk.

It is white.

Oh, is it white?

It really is white.

Is that white?

Yeah, but that's not the carpet, is it?

Oh, that is.

That is the carpet, I think.

No, that was just on the plastic.

I think.

No, I thought that was... Maybe it is the carpet down under that cupboard.

It looked like the road carpet.

You asked about Clem Stone on the wedding.

There's no problem.

He's going to the Greek Islands.

A trip he had planned for quite a long time and he called Chuck Colton before he regretted the wedding to get his advice on it.

Said he had planned this trip and would have heard you immediately.

He also pointed out that he missed his own daughter's wedding last night.

Just so you know, he does a hell of a job on everything.

He asks about lighting those buildings on this side.

He's charging in with it.

They are having a problem doing it.

They're trying to get the, those are all non-government buildings.

They're trying to get them to pay for it, but they don't need to pay for it on a security basis.

he's going to do it and what he says is the old-time gsa would have really moved fast and accomplished this in three or four years even our present excellent administration gsa says they really can't guarantee the life before october however we will do our best and i wouldn't be surprised if at least some of the buildings were lit by the time the peak visitors load reaches washington in midsummer and just you know you want something boy

The other thing is I have a note from him.

It says, I'll spare you the bloody details, but if you can station the president on 17th Street toward the end of next week, he will be cured at the sight of the Lieberman sculpture being carted away.

That red tank out there.

Some other museum.

So some of the little things are getting done.

That's great.

.

But I think we ought to.

Oh, I want one of the whole beat.

I've got to look at the stage of the dance.

I'll be there in 15 minutes.

And also, Paul's son, I was planning on having him instead of me.

I just don't trust him.

I'm sure you're a virgin.

I don't know.

That's what he said.

But it just works like it does, apparently.

And Henry said he's very proud.

To Henry, that overcomes any sin, because, you know... Henry told me legally that he said, well, he lost his job.

Yeah.

How'd he lose his job?

They've cut back something like 15 people on the Muskie staff.

They've cut their budget way back.

And what they've done is they've... See, they were building a...

a big research friend-trust type.

And they've cut all that out and they're reorienting their staff to political operatives, getting rid of the type people and then there's some action types.

And White was among those that he dumped.

The domestic research type was also dumped.

The head of it.

This place means $10 million.

for the nomination for that.

He was going to spend about two and a half million this year.

And he's now cut his budget for this year down to a million.

Because he can't raise it.

See, Humphrey's turned off all the Jewish money.

Humphrey's put the word out to everybody, don't put any money in yet because Hubert may be going and so save your money for later.

The Jews are holding for Hubert.

Apparently the big Jewish money is holding for Hubert, and a lot of the other just establishment Democratic money is not pouring in for Muskie.

And he's getting, uh, they're wondering whether he'll make it.

They're wondering whether he'll make it, and they're gonna wait a little while.

And Hubert's put out the signals, don't, don't pour your money down the rabbit hole, you know, I'll be a long way.

Others must be worried.

There's some with the Teddy money.

Of course, I guess the Teddy, the Teddy's in the money.

has all kinds of, yeah, it's the middle, it's the middle where the establishment middle is where they have the, yeah.

Those are the people that have a tough time trying to figure out now what to do.

Because, and once you read, there's some disenchantment with Muskie because he's been, as we've watched, been trying to push to the left and that turns the middle on.

He's been told so, there's Evans Novak had a thing today on Barnes and Mandel.

got a hold of him at the Johnson inauguration at the Johnson Library business and told him he was making a serious mistake in endorsing the demonstrators and tying him to the New Left the way he was.

But he went right out and did it again afterwards.

Now they're all mad at his dog because he didn't listen to their advice.

Did he do it again?

He gave a speech at a college.

He didn't know that?

No, where he did the...

paper, the demonstrators kind of thing.

There's another.

The writing chemistry going a long way.

And it was interpreted as that was being written as that.

That's good.

Yeah, just like everybody else, we have the, what I was going to say is this, that I, that I accommodated a,

He gave a clear impression that while he was saying he favored it alone because he had to say it, that he thought it was a bad idea.

Packard is a blunt, honest guy.

He very deeply believes this is a mistake.

And there's nothing you can expect from a guy like Packard to go up and say it.

And I'm all out.

He'll go up and say what he's supposed to say.

It gives me a question.

That's the way our guys are.

Democrats don't have that problem.

That's right.

Packard is a public that you're all with.

They have very good lawyers.

I'd like to say to that guy, I had never dealt with him in one of those things, so I got into this whole Baloo, Cokie, Teddy Army.

I'm Larry.

Went through a series of lies with me on the telephone on Sunday, and I made the mistake of checking him out instead of taking his word for it.

None of them checked out, so I confronted him with all that and didn't bother the police.

I really do have a little bit of a gutting.

Undersecretary of the Army or Assistant Secretary of Defense for something.

What I was going to say about the system, I have been giving a lot of thought to the whole situation now.

It seems to me that our, now, and throughout this whole shock, I mean, during the shock, I

All that, at least for the next degree of years or so, means billions without a period of use.

Now, what I'm getting at is that that really does indicate my thinking about everything, about not just the schedule of the Canadian visit and the sign of the legal Kamala thing and everything like that.

The whole question is

Does this help us politically?

I realize that sometimes it doesn't answer the question.

Well, no, it doesn't.

But it's a nice thing to do, all right?

I don't mind doing a few nice things.

I've done that a few.

You know what I mean?

If they do not grade me off so that I don't do the others well.

The other thing is that if you say it doesn't help me politically, the answer comes up no.

The question may be, but if I don't do it, does it look as if I'm being too political?

Right?

Then you do it.

My point is, I see nothing in the foreign policy area that can't be controlled.

And I think this will also help our thinking in another respect.

What has to be done in all of our scheduling and everything else?

and one who's gonna cross zero in on one thing, one or two things.

The volunteers in making one project, whether it's the domestic council making one or two things, or whatever it is, and things we wanna come out with, and that's what we come out with.

And we've gotta have a hold on to the others.

I think we've gotta have those down in front of us.

I don't think we get frozen into it, and keep our eyes on that all the time,

and not change, and it's wrong.

But I do feel that we've got to, we've got to act.

I think we now know exactly how to play the game, but it's going to take some goddamn hard direction for these people to do this.

It relates to so many things.

It relates to what Congress should be seeing today.

The battle you fight, the battle you don't fight, it relates to the schedule.

The result of that, if we'll do it, is that we will start drawing lines instead of picking up both sides of the road as we go along.

And that looks like the basis of what weaknesses we have are the fact that we have those back and forth intentionally.

but not according to a long-range point of where that's going to get us.

You take, now, for example, you mentioned demonstrators the other day, and so forth, and now you've read the article.

to realize that there is a split in the country, even on that age.

You know, you take care of your own stuff.

I mean, there are people out there who would like to be educated.

You've got Ray Price to write a memorandum on one side and somebody else to write one the other half of two years.

And that's been very honestly held by a few.

Very honestly held by a few.

I understand that most of the press thinks that, too.

And I appreciate that kind of thing.

But we are not affected by that one bit.

We move just that hard in the other direction.

The idea being that, you see, the thing is that I think we've had a tendency too much that we go around here and come up to a consensus.

You go around here and say, well, if your grade doesn't think this is where the environment is aligned, Jason, or on the other side of the Canada, maybe it's the Canada that aligns that.

My point is, we pick our line.

But we must recognize that in terms of this left-right situation, there are some that are on the left of these issues.

There are some on the right.

And I just don't happen to be on the left, you see.

And we're just going to quit catering to that bunch.

We're going to start playing it very hard the other way.

And it's going to be tough.

But you've got, for example, you've got Ray and our own staff, you've got Ray, you've got Sapphire, you've got Garner, all of them taking basically the New York Liberal Assembly view on most things.

Now, I think sometimes the tone is all right, but we've got to watch goddamn carefully that I don't get sucked over there.

That we don't flunk the cutting edge.

That's what we're really talking about.

I have a feeling that you don't want to go to the extreme.

I don't want to go to the extreme.

But I don't really.

And that's why Earl has got to take a hard look at these domestic things.

What are we getting into now?

I want some of these things.

But in terms of scheduling, like you say, your question of the situation.

And with Bill Robertson, no problem with scheduling.

I'd have a talk with him, and he gets back on the schedule.

He'd say, look, he's back.

Well, it's yesterday now.

I didn't want him to know that they wouldn't be in place.

I'm going to get a judicial and just say that I want him to handle it.

I'm staying out of these other fights.

I'm going to stay the hell out of them.

See, he plays that himself.

And he doesn't apply it to any testimony.

He doesn't see anybody but foreign ministers.

He doesn't see low-level government representatives.

If he doesn't see anybody but foreign ministers, you shouldn't see anybody but prime ministers.

We just started to get right on that.

And we now see too many low-level people.

There's one other thing.

In terms of the business community, I'm saying the railroad thing and so forth,

The thing here is that we have Articulate, as I've told Senator so many times before, we have to be finding an Articulate advocate in that group, and I ask them to be.

On the other hand, I can say that if we don't have that, forget it.

We could do a little of that, but Bob, generally speaking, they're a bunch of shits.

at the highest level.

The question there is not winning them, it's at the highest level.

I shouldn't say I'm so much.

It's no good.

They're established imperials and they're sad as hell.

I think we're just doing Gideon's army a little bit more, but I must suggest that you must just, every time you turn around and see something,

I mean, cater to some businessman or business group.

I do a little.

Well, if they give me a job, I think we've got to level with them.

I think they've got to know that you can't, you know, that you lose.

Now, being a guy, it's for their interest, for you, not mine.

Your pole business, your pole security in the kingdom.

It's making the poles move.

I want you to do one of them.

As I wrote down with Gregory yesterday,

I thought of it earlier, you know, this concern about the environment.

I don't get a bob in his figure on that thing.

I'll tell you why.

I mean, it does help serve some people, but there's maybe long-air pollution, which affects not just, only a few citizens, not very many.

I think it's an issue, you know what I mean?

But it's an, the reason, it's basically, in fact, it's just, going down that river, sure it's a dirty river.

The point is, looking at national priorities, I don't think it's worth $5 million to clean up that goddamn Potomac River.

I just don't think so.

I don't think it matters that much.

So what's going to happen when Potomac's cleaned up?

What can people do then that they can't do?

Then they can fish, right?

They're better off to buy fish and somebody else can't go somewhere else.

Or they can swim, right?

Who the hell sucks in the river?

Not that many.

You can go voting on it now.

It isn't too bad.

But $5 million to clean up that river.

You see my point?

That's a hell of a lot of debt.

Well, look at what you're verbally buying us.

$5 million in other fields.

What I'm getting at is, I have a feeling on that.

I want to look at that environment thing.

Very cold in the parents' room.

I just, I mean, I want to do a good job.

I don't want to spend a hell of a lot of money on it.

It's compared to other things, because I think...

If it creates a job, we ought to do some grain sanding, and only spend money that creates jobs.

If it creates a job, you shouldn't put a lot of dough in it.

Clean air, clean water, it's fine.

Talk about it, that's it.

At the expense of the, if you have one problem regarding the, the, uh, the reason for this.

This must be, we must, I want to hear it again.

I don't want to mean that we block out the views of the web.

But let us recognize, again, I couldn't have put it better.

There frankly is, there is, there are the people that grow up in New York.

It's an insidious business.

Who grew up in the East Channel.

And they do come around to that meeting.

Whether it's a dirty play, or whether it's somebody who dresses in an outlandish way, or whether it's anti-religious stuff and so forth, that's the way it is.

That's the thing that's new in this part of the country, right?

Well, goddammit, fine.

Those people can believe in it.

That's what affects the media.

That's why the press is this way.

That's why the TV is this way.

And that's what we should be against, not for.

And I'm against those people.

And we must recognize we're going to have people, our very close associates, that feel the other way.

Because that's the way the country backs.

Nobody's going to agree that everything we do is right.

But the worst thing we can do

disappeared in a way that we don't satisfy anybody completely.

We don't satisfy a few people that they forget, like they did last time.

The law and order people said, well, by God, that's good.

Now, if you'd blunted that, you'd bump that goddamn issue.

You see, the way to bump the issue was to say, well, we should have taken more care of the police, and there was one word

that I am concerned about arrests that are not constitutional in the ways of, of course, the president raised one, that we ought to be concerned about the constitutionality of mass arrests at one time.

Here we are.

I'm concerned about it.

The moment I said that we've got that money, you know that?

The moment you say that's the trouble with most of the stuff that comes out of the research done, it's not said in ways that it has any hope.

You finally take a look at that speech out of the lodge, or close to the children, that was kind of cut, yeah, I haven't gotten the sense that it was said.

Now that is not the one that was given, but I haven't gone through the ones that have been given.

It was a good speech.

It was definitely elected councilman Andrews.

But what I'm getting at is that

We are, we have got to take a harder, we really don't have a P.R.

on this stuff.

We've got to take a harder P.R.

on this stuff as to how we get at it.

And we just don't, we just aren't going to be worried by all this business and whatnot.

We satisfy all our colleagues.

Of course we're not going to satisfy them all.

And, as Conway will tell you at 4 o'clock, we should be delighted to have some enemies.

We should be delighted.

It's the mythology.

It's a manageable number.

It's the mythology.

I didn't.

And they're building it even where it doesn't exist and trying to create it.

Everything we do is to say that we've done it for political reasons or we were dragged into it.

Not willing or if the reading isn't clear, some other damn thing.

The reason why sometimes we've just got to get up and say it.

Not be too concerned about somebody squealing about it.

As a matter of fact, be goddamn concerned when they don't.

Be very concerned when they don't.

Draw some fire.

Draw some blood.

Ambassadors, too.

I don't think you need to see ambassadors every time they come back in the morning.

What the hell reason?

I wouldn't think it needs them anymore.

I don't know, really.

I've seen them all.

I know them all.

They're important.

It is a goddamn thing for me to talk to them about.

He's the worst of it, you know.

He just can't say no to anybody.

But we just kind of want to see him.

A lot of network anchored men are going to be out there in the box in a wedding day.

You know, I got a hand in Patricia's shoes.

I was talking to her today.

That woman from the post, you know, they cut her out.

And then Trisha found that somebody had put on the pool, and the first pool for the dance, it's candy something or other.

I ordered her out a year ago, a year ago.

She's a little fish's thing, I'm sure.

And she said, tight, worst time, that she's a little shit.

And Connie put her back on and thought, God damn it, the hell, I just want more, I just don't want, I just want you to ride Connie.

hard with regard to those things.

I'm not going to have any social events.

I understand political events.

Anybody can walk into a press conference.

But Bob, they ain't going to get any treatment.

Because she was going to feed the other one.

In fact, they had to deal with John.

And Trisha cut her off the list some days ago.

Completely off the list, off the list.

She's the one, the other Johnsons, who are on their way.

They are going to go ahead.

Now don't we have pools for those social events?

Yeah.

Do we have to take who they send?

No.

All right.

I don't pick somebody.

Well, we change, you know what?

We'll change it.

We will invite the people to be at the pool.

You understand?

Pick somebody with the Washington Post, and they cannot send substitutes.

Anyway, you could name names of the common peers.

I have an idea that...

On Friday, on Saturday morning, perhaps a good thing I can do, like with Howard Smith and a couple others, just to invite all of the EOB and show them through the winters.

They're going to sit there without a goddamn thing to talk about for a while.

This will not be on camera today, that's for sure.

And I'm not going to invite the wires.

They're making a hell of a big pin out of this shit out there.

They've got incredible television stools out there, and there's kinks running all over this place like they're being wired for invasions.

I think it's very important.

I want you to sit down with Mr. President.

I really want to be worthless to Mr. President.

Now who can I count on?

Who can you count on to watch those lists?

You know the people I don't want.

God damn it, I'm excited to get them in here.

I think Alex, Hunt, Alex, Kazimo, of course you're in it, you know.

All right, you're in it, Alex.

I search for settlements where they lay down pitches, everything in the high house again.

You hear that?

What's the moment?

Washington Post.

After that.

Wait, no, no.

That's just the way it's going to be.

Just to get a few little things done.

Everybody doesn't do marbles, for Christ's sake, Phil.

Of course, about all the people do.

But I think we're, I think it's going to be a very useful time to get John to put as much of his stuff as all off to the clerks and just concentrate on what matters.

But don't, I emphasize again, don't you take that conclusion on environment too seriously.

Do you read it?

Do you study it?

Do it.

Cheers, man.

I have some serious doubts about that.

That is still, I think it's big, I think it's a big issue with the kids.

Because it's been a big issue by television.

I don't believe that a lot of people are going to come to my town because I please them.

I agree to spend $5 billion to be a number, but everyone will be nothing.

I think that's selfish.

I wish it was special to the town.

I don't think people heard that much about their records.

I really don't think they do.

Do you think they're not going to cut it tight?

They say, yes, we want to clean up the roof, but I've tried that on people.

I said, what?

I said, what do you think of our pilot project?

I said, that's a great idea.

I thought it was just great.

So I said, the problem is it takes $6 billion.

Again, nothing like six million dollars is going to take three or four years.

Now should we still do it?

You know, I'll say, well, you ought to do something on it.

You should give it a hand.

Mr. President, the press order was not appointed on this.

No, no, no.

I'm not just saying it for fire.

That's all.

Just a pure courtesy call.

You'll never have an ambassador courtesy call me again unless I'm saying...

And you know, this person is leaving his job, which I don't think it's going to work.

It's just going, we've done this, and they come in, and if I'm sending one out, they need some pictures.

Because if you want that, you need to get a picture of it.

The father of the U.S. president.

President?

Yes, my name is Harvey.

Well, I see you again.

Sit down.

Thank you.

Well, I'm from Russia.

Just coming along.

I don't think you're right.

I'm just going to send a motion.

I see you, Mr. President.

Let's see if you can speak to us today.

Yes.

Isn't it for certain purposes, I think, that rather than go to the eastern part of Russia, he has to defend himself, so that we're not going to enter into deluge.

And secondly, he likes to represent the Chinese, and the other people who are social.

But I think, secondly, he wants to show that some of these problems, they should be very simple.

I mean, they come up with simple ideas, and should be accepted in the press corps.

But people with good will, but people with ill will, not themselves, raise technical objections when they're children.

That's a very good question.

Yeah.

What is your opinion about how much he has, how much he does that for a purpose in his own life?

Is that it?

Is that a real reason?

You know, you hear the line expressed time to time.

They have their hawks and doves and their military and their political people.

There is such a...

I think there is enthusiasm.

Yeah, there is.

And maybe the military people are less anxious to go on and say what it is.

It would be natural, certainly in any other system, you would expect that kind of split that exists in every other world.

Of course, we always wonder whether it exists in that kind of government, if you think it probably does.

Yes, it does.

It's, uh, really just makes a good time for solving it.

And some phase is going to be related to the policy of Georgetown, as was said at the point.

I don't know how, but I think we'll clear the road.

Yeah.

We'll have it.

Well, certainly their ADM configurations have to do that.

Notice that all of the latest and the last intelligence shows that they do science.

Most of the problems that we have are necessarily China-oriented, and the question really is, so any kind of agreement they make on that certainly is going to start at that level, is that they can't take it.

That must be a terribly sensitive subject.

The China subject, of course.

Yes.

You never discuss it, do you?

Well, the idea that women have a formula is a fine and proven relationship.

Between us three, it's all in the good.

We are not in a proven relationship.

This is a formal position.

We need to express some concern, privately, in the American history.

I'm concerned a lot about our possibility of being arrested.

Well, our law has passed.

Well, let's avoid that.

I apologize to you for what you said.

Absolutely, because as a matter of fact, well, let's look at it in its most...

In fact, it really makes sense if we want it, because this is just the way not to do it.

The way it goes in, the way it goes in, and the way it goes in, and the way it goes in, and the way it goes in, and the way it goes in, and the way it goes in, and the way it goes in, and the way it goes in, and the way it goes in, and the way it goes in, and the way it goes in, and the way it goes in, and the way it goes in, and the way it goes in, and the way it goes in, and the way it goes in, and the way it goes in, and the way it goes in,

The, uh, on the Chinese side, they move faster, I suppose.

They, uh, they, uh, they, uh, they, uh, they, uh, they, uh,

They can't help but look at that huge buildup on the Chinese border.

They can't help but look at their own problems.

What is their option?

Is it to allow or to repress the power plant in Alaska?

Because we, our policy is not to be one of them.

Just as hard as we can, looking at our own interests.

Without getting any

And they, the reason at all, the public is, they don't have to think that we're doing, they don't need to have to reason.

It's just, it's played out.

It's fair.

I expect to see that more of you will think that we're, you know, sneaking in their trust is, and they're bound to say that anyway.

So we have a little, this is a good way to keep you on track.

How do you feel about the

Can you sense it?

Can you move around the country some?

Well, we're not here to run.

Yes, very substantial possibilities.

But we, on the other hand, want to do it.

You think that's a good idea, don't you?

Yes, I think up to the point where it won't help their military potential.

At that point, it's very high.

I should say it wouldn't be risky.

If it was about half a billion dollars a year in trade, then I think it would help their potential.

Half a billion dollars?

Yes, I think I would.

We're dealing on the rate of about $100 or $150 million worth of exports to them, which I don't think is going to make much difference when you're going to help us.

You'll help us a great deal.

Sure.

Now, as a matter of fact, did you know we were going to have a legitimate transaction?

Yes.

Is the, uh, this is not announced yet, but it's, uh, well, tomorrow is the end.

For God's sake, I can't.

I think I said everything.

Yes, sir.

We're going to have an announcement on the house tomorrow.

We shouldn't have that.

Are we putting it on tomorrow?

I think, sir, it's today.

Oh, good.

This is the 10th.

Oh, this is the 10th.

Yes, I know we have to.

I ain't going to say it.

Secretary of the House.

Yes.

Well, I think the news all anticipated it today, but I don't know if I said it.

Well, if you don't, you don't have a great thing to say.

No, but I can...

The most important part of it is that one of our American companies, we do this action.

It's given out some China statement that what we do is to make grains, what make grains, generally.

on the general list.

Well, the main point is, you know, America doesn't have American bonds.

You see, as I understand it, 100% American bonds makes it impossible to sell any grain to the Soviets.

or anything like that concerning China.

Now, I don't know whether either will bite on this, but it needs to be seen.

The credit side is not mentioned in this.

This, of course, is a statement that deals only with China, but the general thing applies.

The way we recognize it applies both to the Soviet and the Chinese, right?

It's under the Johnson Act.

The old Johnson Act, it has to go 50-50.

But we're changing that.

That's it.

Tomorrow's building was on American bottoms.

Now, I don't know whether it's going to be anything, whether they want it or not.

They'll slip around.

They'll slip around and see what happens.

But then,

How much did that cost?

I think it wasn't it.

It wasn't possible under the present laws.

They'd have to get commercial credit.

They'd have to get commercial credit under the present laws.

All right, let's suppose if we try to make a real break here.

Let's suppose you're working three or four months in that law.

You want to...

Well, the Fino Amendment in the first place.

That's right.

All right.

Now, let's suppose you've got Fino.

Would XM Bank's credits would then help you?

The CCC credit would have to be guarantees from the XM Bank.

I don't think you'd have the authority to allow XM Bank credits, but guarantees would be.

All right.

Well, how much would it be?

Let me suggest that this is a very interesting point that I have not thought through.

I'd like for, I'd like for, I'd like for a, and it's on a frequently quiet basis, that if you would check, get your thoughts with regard to, and that's what both, I don't know what it will mean with the child conference, because we're just starting, we're starting to walk out of it, we're not even walking yet, a couple steps.

But, in the event that we break the credit chain,

How much it would mean?

I mean, what could be the potential?

I know you can't say precisely what it would be.

Yes.

Could it help on the brains?

Could it help on some of the connotations and so forth and so on?

I'm sure it would, yes, sir.

You think it was good, yes, sir?

Of course, the Canadians are in their head of some of this.

So they do that on credit?

Yes, yes, sir.

I think the good was that another six years... Well, let us find out what their deal was, you see, what it gives us for making the same kind of deal, and how we can change that.

See, the problem is that we're coming to that point, and the time to plan for it right now is, because that also is something we can at the end,

The whole situation could change very drastically here.

That loss could also affect .

Yes, well, they, at the moment, they call in the same .

Restriction, sorry.

What do they want the most from us?

Is it the computer area?

Well, I think this is the answer.

I think this kind of technology is equipped immensely.

It's a great bottleneck.

And I think anything can happen.

They went up to this group.

They listed the licenses.

That's awesome, sir.

Yes, it is.

Are they aware of the importance?

They want to know.

They didn't.

The question is whether they will now start coming to us.

This, of course, is a British computer, which we are giving.

We have better ones.

And once we have given the British a green light, it may very well be that American firms will want to get into this business.

And the Russians may be interested in getting

I'd like to have this discussed over.

It's going to be a gallon, completely.

It's quiet.

I think you ought to throw it.

I'd like to have a Peterson.

Are you Peterson?

I've been here a few years.

what the opportunities are in terms of trade, provided we relax restrictions with regard to items and with regard to credit.

Now, this is a homologous point about China, which I report.

He said, you know, it's the greatest thing to get a home case on us, in regard to the fact that my wife and sister-in-law ran into each other.

I said, well, you can get to that early on in the farm.

Well, I said, well, I can't.

I said, they always do nonsense.

That's not going to happen.

And, uh, so, uh, that's the first thing I said to the American cops.

from all over the West, which is a long, sharp degree.

They're so close, it's no problem.

China.

Yeah.

And Europe, even on that, the credit becomes a problem.

I think it would, but instead of purchases.

They have been willing to use gold when they've really been in a bind, and they're hard currency reserves, but obviously they must prefer to do it on credit.

Yes.

Back in the Kennedy administration, when that weak deal came up,

How did they handle that?

Well, they offered hard currency and gold.

Everybody has talked, remember the piece in Time Magazine about the U.S. and the U.S. and the U.S. and the U.S. and the U.S. and the U.S. and the U.S. and the U.S.

It really gets down to the case-by-case basis.

What we have to sell, what they have to buy is how they pay for it and all the other things.

Take on the Chinese, the recent American farmers.

If they think of 800 million starving Chinese who just want to get our grain, sure.

What the hell are they going to pay for it with?

That's the problem.

They may have some things.

There you go.

And, of course, in the case of Soviet, some of the people told us, told me that, I guess this is true, that they have chrome and other things.

we are very secure of, as I'm saying this is true of some places in some places.

We're already buying that.

Well, that sort of thing we should buy and stock buy.

That's the idea of taking gold as well.

But I have always felt that we have not ever looked at the possibility because of our inhibitions and our

Actually, the Vietnam restrictions and the broader strategic restrictions naturally in certain instances have impacted on ourselves.

But we have not, we have not taken a list of what's good for us.

Also, if we get to the point where we are talking with them, which might make them sometimes, we are getting to the point where they say,

other than on arms is, because if you do something on arms, let's suppose you get something, an internal assault or something, that may say, well, let's talk about a few other things.

Now, not all of a sudden, but you should know step by step.

Now, in this area, you can have a lot of trade, but it's like having a statement on exchange, isn't it?

Exchange is a great thing, but where the damn must somebody go is, and I know this has been done before, but I don't think it's been done

in a positive way, positive in the sense that everybody should still know that we're going to have the war in Vietnam, we're going to have the Vietnam War, we're going to have this and that and the other thing.

Don't you agree?

Yes, sir.

Pete does have a small, very close group working on precisely this right now.

Before you go back, I'd like for you to meet, I'd like for the ambassadors to meet, you know, I'd like for you to spend an hour with him, if you would,

Just tell us, tell them about all these things, or tell them about the Soviet, what you think about it, and so forth, and get here completely.

And then when you go back, your staff back there, I think they must wonder, when they get there, and God be saved, the Capitol is so cold and everything.

But then let them do a little, just very, let's say, QT work.

We don't want to hold up great hopes to people here that there's a new year coming or something, but we do want to know where the hell we're going to go

to start talking about .

He's taking an inventory of what the picture is right now, and then he's projecting it forward just along the lines that you indicated.

Right.

Get down to what it is.

Right.

Bottoms, inhibitions, and so forth and so on.

And while you're doing that, you might as well take a look at the paper.

You can also give me a good chance.

I know you're doing the same in China.

So if you're over in China, I'm going to do this to you.

He says, Rod, the reason I'm trying to trade here with the President of the United States in 1957, you're sitting in that chair, I was going into Poland to play my respect.

He was in a towering race.

He said, that damn fellow, Walter Robertson, he said, well, let me trade with China.

He said, do they have a situation?

I said, well, why can't I trade with them?

I said, Mr. President, I'm not going to China.

I'm going to Poland.

But he was very angry.

He said, you know, Eisenhower is, you know, a generalist.

almost pathological on trade.

He thought that trade would solve all problems.

Now, of course, of course, going overboard, just as the time piece went overboard in that direction.

I mean, I probably want to remember that nations traded with each other the most, shot each other up in World War I, World War II.

Trade doesn't solve all problems.

But on the other hand, trade, trade is a...

enormous potential, and in the world in which we live, in which war between major powers becomes virtually unthinkable, between major powers, you're going to have to find ways to do this.

That's all there is to it.

There's a difference.

You've got to look at it in a cold, calculating, self-interest way, just the same as it is, and then open up so we make it happen.

That's just the problem.

It'll be something.

I mean, I'd love to see the first ship of grain go to China while I'm sitting here.

Well, listen, good to see you.

Thank you.

I think it may happen on May 9th.

You never know.

There are some grants in salt.

That's right.

I think you'll be well.

Mr. Douglas, this is our family.

God bless you.

This weekend is safe.

Thank you for having me.