Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 530 › Conversation 530-011

Nixon, Gualtier & DeLuca on Labor movement and Pennsylvania politics

Tuesday, June 29, 1971 · 12:03 PM–12:11 PM ET · Oval Office · 8 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Gualtier, Fred; DeLuca, Frank; Williams, Carnen; Bell, George T.; White House photographerConversation530-011 on Tape 530 (tape position 02:36:45–02:44:36)StartTuesday, June 29, 1971 at 12:03 PMEndTuesday, June 29, 1971 at 12:11 PMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 530-011 ↗ · National Archives Catalog, NAID 417178297 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon met with Pennsylvania labor representatives Fred Gualtier, Frank DeLuca, Carmen Williams, and George T. Bell to cultivate support among the building trades. During the meeting, the participants discussed Pennsylvania politics, including the influence of state Republican chairman Clifford L. Jones and the gubernatorial administration of Milton J. Shapp. Nixon used the occasion to contrast the value of hard-working laborers with welfare recipients and to criticize Daniel Ellsberg. The President concluded the visit by presenting gifts to the group and emphasizing his commitment to the American labor movement.

  • Labor movement
  • Pennsylvania politics
  • Building trades
  • Milton J. Shapp
  • Daniel Ellsberg
  • Clifford L. Jones

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NARA Description

On June 29, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Fred Gualtier, Frank DeLuca, Carnen Williams, George T. Bell, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:03 pm to 12:11 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 530-011 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 530-11

Date: June 29, 1971
Time: 12:03 pm - 12:11 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Fred Gualtieri, Frank DeLuca, Carmen Williams and George T. Bell; the
White House photographer was present at the beginning of the meeting.

     General conversation
         -Perdue University

     Pennsylvania State Republican Chairman, Clifford L. Jones

     Milton J. Shapp

     Arrangements for photographs

     President's conversation with his barber, June 28th

     President's background                                  Conv. No. 530-15/531-25 (cont.)
           -President's father, Frank Nixon

     American labor movement
         -Contrasted with welfare recipients
         -Contrasted with Daniel Ellsberg
         -Unknown man's comments

     Jones
             -Forthcoming gubernatorial election
             -Actions
                   -Support for building trades
             -Bipartisanship

     Raymond P. Shafer
         -Policies

     Shapp
          -Raymond O. Broderick

     Presentation of gifts by President
          -Cuff links
          -Gifts for wives

     National economy
          -Housing starts

     Church services

The President, et al. left at 12:11 pm.

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Oh, George, all right.
I'm Mr. Fred and Mr. Frank Elizabeth.
Hello, I'm Mr. Frank Elizabeth.
I'm very glad you should be here.
I've got a street there.
All right.
Good to see you.
Mr. Fred Voltaire.
I'm Mr. Fred Voltaire.
All right.
Nice to meet you.
All right.
Nice to meet you.
Yeah, I'm not Purdue the other day, you know.
They call that the board meeting.
Jesus, you're new here.
I'm Mr. Fred Voltaire.
I'm Mr. Fred Voltaire.
I'm Mr. Fred Voltaire.
Yeah, he's a fine guy.
He retired.
Jack, we've got a Jack on the line.
Yeah.
This is Carmen Williams, president of the St. Peter's Association.
Yeah, I've been here a hundred times.
Yeah, I used to play nice, but somewhere along the line, I went wrong.
I think you're doing all right.
You're the caters.
I'm the caters.
Right, right.
These are building traces of his hard work.
This is a really stiff one.
Listen, I know all about it.
My brother, the rest of the boys, he must have taken off on a huge trip.
Well, in my opinion, I'll tell you, the main thing is to get in a fight with the utility company.
But I know all about my Pennsylvania contacts up there, particularly the state chairman, you know, Johnson.
You guys were great.
We're lucky to have you here.
You sound good.
I'm glad to hear that.
Each one of you needs us.
We'll let you do better than Shaq.
Shaq's going to fix up real good for Covert Hill.
Now, let's get a second picture.
Let's get a second one.
Let's get a second one.
Now, you're going to be real good.
So, welcome to here.
We'll give you this for the benefit of your time.
Frank, I'm sorry to tell you, but I don't know where I'd want to go.
I'd straight out of this house.
All right.
I see you're standing in front of the whole class.
It's fine.
How do you make them take another picture?
All right.
Now, move.
Now, move.
I'll turn it here.
There you are.
I want to look out here.
Well?
I did want you to know, I had an interesting talk with Barbara yesterday.
He was talking about things.
He was mentioning the fact that he said that, you know, that I had, of course, come up
I had to work all my life, work in a major school, so what does this come with?
This comes with my parents.
And as a matter of fact, my father was, when I, before I was born, was a carpenter, and that, and built the house when I was born.
That's right.
I had to have worked in the oil fields, and I heard the grocery store address.
But the main thing we want you folks to know is you talk to your members that work for them.
You know what I mean?
I mean, I know what I'm doing.
I believe in a very strong labor movement.
And I also more importantly believe in the people.
We have all these people that have their hands out.
You guys are out working.
You guys are out paying taxes.
You guys are out supporting the, you know, the country.
That's right.
And I tell you, as compared to some of these people that are supposed to, you know, some say the other class are in terms of income payments.
My gosh, what do they do?
They produce a call that goes on and steals these documents out of the, you know.
That's the worst thing you will ever do.
Just think of it this way.
You just walk 80, 80 sides, and Ron's trying to carry out 47 of these.
Now, Sharon's old story, that must come off our back.
But the point is, nobody can break the law, you know, until we change the agreement.
And the President of the 47th Committee, the day he talked to you about who he should trust and stuff, he's supposed to look them straight in the eye when he talks to them.
I like to say one thing to you, sir.
He's not our friend at election time.
He's our friend all the time.
We appreciate it.
And anything we can do for him.
I'll remember this.
I'll remember this.
I can go on record to myself and say, anything from a gentleman to me, he doesn't want to come up.
He doesn't come up.
Your governor would be delighted to be sent before.
That's right.
That's the next question.
And with Captain, we're close to Jones in our own plans.
And I'll watch him very closely in terms of his political interests.
So I'll put it that way.
Fair enough.
He had no respect for Billy Grayson.
He didn't get vetted.
Great.
Because he worked with the Department of Commerce.
He was trying to get a job for us.
Right.
Which we come from an area that you probably heard of in the North.
It's a depressed area.
And the mills went out.
And Cliff came in and he formed this meeting.
And he put us on the right track.
And that's where I first met him.
Should I give you a hundred percent of that?
We're going to have to be more in the race, and Democrats won't be there.
And he's killing us both sides, so... Sure, we'll have to be careful, because nobody can handle us all.
You've got to get a solid book.
You've got to get a 3.5 tax, but no tax reform.
He didn't tell us where he was going to send the money.
He's bartering.
Actually, that's good because that's what happened in 72, really.
And one thing that makes it a little hard for us.
Yeah, hard people are saying, well, we should have voted for Broderick.
Broderick was great.
He was a lot better guy.
Broderick is a good guy.
Hey, uh, the president is a very busy man.
I'm going to give you something to take home.
He's here.
He's the presidential cousin.
He has a seal of a president right there.
So even though you're down, Brad, you can work.
He doesn't have any problems.
There you are.
Thank you very much.
We appreciate your support of our cause and we'll try to be worthy of it.
My pleasure, sir.
Good luck.
Well, that's what we should have done.
Oh, I appreciate it.
He's a friend of the building training.
He's going to teach you his other duties.
Right.
You're going to tell him he's a friend of the building training.
You're going to tell him he's a friend of the building training.
You're going to tell him he's a friend of the building training.
You're going to tell him he's a friend of the building training.
You're going to tell him he's a friend of the building training.
You're going to tell him he's a friend of the building training.
You're going to tell him he's a friend of the building training.
You're going to tell him he's a friend of the building training.
You're going to tell him he's a friend of the building training.
You're going to tell him he's a friend of the building training.
You're going to tell him he's a friend of the building training.
You're going to tell him he's a friend of the building training.
You're going to tell him he
Let's hear it for the Lutheran Services.
Hey, why don't you go ahead and do it?
The Lutheran Services.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
All right.
Thank you.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 530-011, June 29, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives (NAID 417178297). Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/530-011 (accessed November 2, 2026).