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Start Date: 30-Jun-1971 11:00 AM

End Date: 30-Jun-1971 12:08 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Butterfield, Alexander P.[Unknown person(s)]Ziegler, Ronald L.McCracken, Paul W.Sanchez, ManoloBull, Stephen B.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 01:43:08

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 02:48:21

532a.mp3

532b.mp3

532c.mp3

NARA Description:

On June 30, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Alexander P. Butterfield, unknown person(s), Ronald L. Ziegler, Paul W. McCracken, Manolo Sanchez, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:00 am to 12:08 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 532-012 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 532-12

Date: June 30, 1971
Time: 11:00 pm - 12:08 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman and Alexander P. Butterfield.

     Soviet Cosmonauts death
          -Draft statement
               -President's dictation to Henry A. Kissinger
               -President’s earlier meeting with Kissinger

     President’s schedule
          -Upcoming meeting with steel industry representatives

     Message to Kissinger
         -Modification
         -Dispatch of message
               -Timing

Butterfield left at 11:02 am.

     Steel meeting
           -Attendance
                -James D. Hodgson, John B. Connally
                -Quota report
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                -Council of Economic Advisors [CEA] delivery of industry report

An unknown woman entered at an unknown time after 11:02 am.

     Request for Ronald L. Ziegler

The unknown woman left at an unknown time before 11:14 am.
                                                                    Conv. No. 532-26 (cont.)
     Steel meeting
           -Attendance
                -Effect on meeting
           -Reports
                -Length
                -Tone
                -George P. Shultz
                     -President's talking points

     Statement by President
          -Raymond K. Price, Jr.
          -John K. Andrews, Jr.
          -Timing
          -President's schedule
                -Kissinger
                -Work on statement
          -Timing
          -Farewell statement
                -Price
                      -Kissinger
          -Length
                -Impact on effect

     Schedule
          -Eleuterio Mendoza farewell
               -President's request

     Statement by President
          -Preference with regard to format
                -Speech
                     -Preparation
                     -William L. Safire
                -Recording
                     -Effort by President
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     Schedule
          -Nobusuke Kishi visit
              -Postponement

Ziegler entered at 11:14 am.

     Briefing                                                          Conv. No. 532-12 (cont.)
           -Law enforcement issues
                -Poppy agreement with Turkey
                -Terminology
                     -Era of “permissiveness”
                -Support for law enforcement officials
                     -J. Edgar Hoover
                -Crime statistics
                -Success against narcotics
                -Previous administrations
                -End of “permissiveness”

     Presidential statements
          -Format
                -Efficacy
                       -Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI] graduation
                       -Arkansas remarks
                       -Turkish announcement
                            -William P. Rogers
          -Coverage by media
                -Correspondence to text
                -Television
                -Use of text
          -FBI graduation speech
                -J. Edgar Hoover
                       -Service statement
                            -Patrick J. Buchanan

     Presidential speeches
          -Speech writers' skills
                -Price
                -Noel C. Koch
                -Andrews
                -Lee W. Huebner
                -Buchanan
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                 -Focus on one writer

     Associated Press [AP] bulletin
          -Drug programs
               -Administration public relations attempts
                     -President
                     -John N. Mitchell
                     -Rejection of permissiveness                Conv. No. 532-12 (cont.)
                           -Lyndon B. Johnson
                           -Court decisions

Ziegler left at 11:15 am.

     President's statement
          -Connally
          -Speech writers
                 -Language
                      -Price
                      -Koch
                            -Effectiveness
          -Public perception
                 -Appeal to common man
                      -"Permissiveness" language
                      -Hoover
          -Controversy

An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 11:15 am.

           -Dynamics of writing
               -Need for belief in idea
                    -Terry McGinnity

The unknown person left at an unknown time before 11:27 am.

                      -Use of "Compassion” line
                           -Effect
                -Focus on responsibility for social problems
                      -Buchanan
                      -View of speechwriters
           -Impact
                -Reaction of columnists
           -Focus of administration program
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           -“Permissiveness” line
                -Daniel Ellsberg case
                -Demonstrators
                -President’s view
                -Constitutional rights
                -Tone
           -Connally thesis
                -Firmness of position                          Conv. No. 532-12 (cont.)
                -Consistency
           -Permissiveness focus
                -Charles W. Colson
                      -Dissemination to columnists
                -Offensive on drugs
                -Administration backing of Hoover
                -Benefits to those hurt in law enforcement
                -Congressional remarks
                -Cabinet officer statements
                      -Herbert G. Klein
                -Drug and crime offensive
                -Media coverage
                      -Tactics
                -Robert J. Dole statement
                -Congressman, Cabinet officers statements
                -Demonstrators
                -Drugs
                -Support for law enforcement
                -Attitudes of President and Attorney General

President's public opinion rating
     -Economics
            -Job rating
     -Appointment of judges
            -Permissiveness factor
                  -Focus in public statements
     -Dissemination of talking points
            -Impact on public relations
     -Social programs
            -Scope
                  -Criticism

President’s schedule
     -National Education Association [NEA] meeting with President
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                 -Private meeting of President and head of the NEA
                       -Schedule
                       -John D. Ehrlichman
                             -Meeting with new NEA President
                       -Elliot L. Richardson

Haldeman left and Paul W. McCracken entered at 11:27 am.
                                                                     Conv. No. 532-12 (cont.)
     Greetings

     Attendance at White House functions
          -David Packard
          -John N. Irwin, II
          -Rationale for invitations
          -Quality of administration personnel
               -Role of Undersecretary
          -McCracken and Mrs. Rosalie Silberman contact
               -President and Laurence H. Silberman contact
               -Visits to White House
               -Undersecretary's staff

     McCracken future
         -Resignation
              -Rationale
              -Future plans
              -Administration experience

     Economy
         -McCracken
              -Resignation
                    -Timing
                    -Effect on economic program
         -Timing
         -McCracken, Herbert Stein
         -Future of economy
              -Consumer Price Index [CPI]
              -Inflation
              -Meeting with representatives of the steel industry
              -Unemployment
         -Arthur F. Burns
              -New economic policy
              -Jawboning
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                      -Steel
                      -Textiles
                      -Constructions
          -Wage and price controls
               -Businessman's view
                      -Unions’ position
          -Burns
          -Confidence of people                                Conv. No. 532-12 (cont.)
               -Unions’ position
               -I[lworth] W. Abel
               -Level of purchasing power
          -Retail sales
               -Expectations

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 11:27 am.

     Refreshments

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 12:15 am.

     Economy
         -Gordon M. Metcalf of Sears and Roebuck Company
               -Sales
         -Edward W. Carter
               -Consumer actions
               -Factors
         -Factors in economy
               -Housing
               -Automobile strike of previous year
         -Movement on economy
               -Timing
               -Downward trends
               -Impact on election
         -McCracken's analysis of economy
               -Camp David meeting
                     -Taxes
         -President's analysis of economy
               -Tax credits
                     -Wilbur D. Mills
                     -Congressional support
               -Environmental issues
                     -George P. Shultz
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            -Maurice H. Stans
            -Ehrlichman
      -Railroads
      -Connally efforts
-Use of Presidential order
-Congressional support
-Burns
-New York City, Washington, DC, Chicago                   Conv. No. 532-12 (cont.)
-Wall Street
-Trends
      -Unemployment
            -Legislation
            -National Broadcasting Corporation [NBC] coverage
      -Price levels
            -McCracken’s view
            -Burns
      -Inflation
            -Prospects
            -Base
      -Price levels
      -Collective bargaining period
      -Pace of economy
      -Profits
      -Labor costs
      -Price levels
-Burns
-Pierre Rinfret
-Burns
      -View of tax credit
      -Personal income
      -Fight against inflation
-Foreign and domestic policy
      -Need for consistency
-Cost of Burns’ policy
-Wage and Price Board
      -Wage and price freeze
      -Wage and price controls
            -Effect
      -Bureaucratic problems
      -Office of Price Administration [OPA]
      -President’s views
            -Socialism
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                     -National Commission on Productivity
                     -US predicament
                          -Expectations
                          -Unemployment
                                -Korean War, Vietnam War precedent
                                -Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal
                                     -1941 statistics
                                -World War II effect               Conv. No. 532-12 (cont.)
                                -Walter E. Heller
                                -Johnson
                                -Vietnam War effect
                                -Dole
                                -Government role
                                -Nuclear power
                                -National Aeronautics and Space Administration [NASA]
                                -Abel and George Meany views
                                     -Purchasing power
                                -Research and development

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 11:27 am.

     President's schedule
          -American Hellenic Educational Progressive Association [AHEPA]

Bull left at an unknown time before 12:15 pm.

          -AHEPA dinner
              -Thomas A. Pappas

     Economy
         -Research and development efforts
              -Dr. Edward E. David, Jr.
              -Office of Science and Technology [OST]
              -Ehrlichman
              -CEA role
              -Spending
              -Productivity
              -Balance of payments
              -Unemployment
              -Effect on US spirit

     McCracken situation
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     -Resignation
          -Psychological impact
                -Announcement timing
                      -Interpretation
                      -McCracken's school schedule
          -Timing
                -Political implications
                      -Stein                             Conv. No. 532-12 (cont.)
                -Need to demonstrate confidence
                -McCracken's schedule
                      -California trip
                -President's schedule
                      -Camp David meeting
          -McCracken's schedule
          -Ehrlichman
          -Connally
          -Shultz

Foreign policy
     -Upcoming news
          -Psychological impact
          -Soviet Union
          -People’s Republic of China [PRC]
          -Vietnam
          -Effect on economy

Ezra Solomon
     -Arrival in Washington
     -Swearing-in
     -Schedule

Economy
    -Effect on President
    -Stein
          -Mildred Stein
    -Stein, McCracken, Burns
          -Qualities
               -Stability
    -Psychology
          -Louis P. Harris
          -View of business community
          -Seasonal fluctuations
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                 -Automobile sales
                 -Peter G. Peterson
                       -Use of quotas
                            -Textiles
                            -Automobiles
                                  -Japan
                                  -Political impact
                 -Monetary problems                              Conv. No. 532-12 (cont.)
                       -Exchange rate
                       -Yen
                       -Dollar exchange rate
                            -Gold issue
                                  -Burns’ view
                            -Floating rates
                            -Balance of payments deficits

     McCracken situation
         -Options

McCracken left at 12:08 pm.