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President Pete Brennan, good to see you.

How are you?

Good to see you.

How are you?

Good to see you.

How are you?

Good to see you.

Good to

We, uh, we've had a lot of problems since we last talked.

I mean, yes, I forgot to take his bedhead and all the rest of it.

Thank God we got that out of the way.

And, uh, like I was saying, I'm really grateful for the fact that, uh, the way he turned also.

And so, I was stood up on these things, and just wanted to allow the heat to finally be taken.

I have a very large picture hanging in my office.

I don't know if you've ever seen it, but it's all of the hard hats and deep reds.

Boys brought down to New York and were stacked on the Roosevelt Room table, and they learned when they came in to see me.

I was so terrified.

You were down, didn't you?

Yes, I did.

Of course, I've got one of mine.

It was just got hit and so on and so on.

Well, we're coming along, incidentally.

And then four feet over, a three-wheeler, you know, all this hullabaloo about the neighbors.

Our friends in the New York Times and the rest of the affairs of Interest and Circulation, one of the nations,

We're sticking right to our guns, and we're going to, we're going to break this thing to boot it in the right way.

We're going to get our prisoners back.

But we're at the same time, I'm going to turn that country over to the communists.

And it's going to work out.

But it's pretty tough.

The lack of support we have in the Senate,

in a few other areas.

What was your reaction to all this, to all these papers being published in the Times?

What are your thoughts on this?

Well, one, politically, of course, you could have sat back and said, yeah, but Eric doesn't talk to Johnson much.

I think the, if you only had rules and regulations, and there's papers on it that said, secret or not secret, at least four or five,

on policy, I think a paper should have a common sense sense of what it printed.

Right.

I think what the Attorney General said the other day is important, that just disregard what may be involved in printing on a basis of freedom of the press.

I think this takes something in their part, their consciousness.

Are they really serving the public, or are they creating a situation for the country?

You as the president, you must say to our friends in foreign countries, well, look, from now on, anything you say to me, I ask you at the Times.

And it just becomes ridiculous.

And of course, our people would be very happy if the Times had sat down, because the Times has been proven.

The Times began to be reliant.

You know, the page has been slipping more and more each year.

Good.

Has it really?

Well, it's slipping in the way that people are trying somehow to see the double standard they have.

You know, one thing that's interesting, I come up with that counsel for the Washington Post that says, in the case I have read this, Chuck read the record, I'm getting the transcript, I read the portion of it, the counsel for the Washington Post says that

I assume, what would you say to folks in these papers if it delayed the return of the P.O.W.s or made it more difficult to get our prisoners back, whichever had to get their prisoners back?

The Council of the Worship of those said it must suppress the prisoners.

Do you not like it?

Do you not prefer it?

Or what do the newspapers say?

that the First Amendment, that by the price of the First Amendment, gives to a command material that might delay a settlement, a war, which would get our prisoners back and save lives.

Now that, believe me, I think that is going to mow the ground.

Well, see, those are statements that the general public are not hearing.

It should be emphasized more.

They want me to hear more of that.

Well, see, the words look better.

The local table did, but, Mr. President, I was not in charge.

Another time, sir.

And they, they, uh, planned to read some of these stories.

It appears that there's a red sound platform.

So, uh, it's because there's what you do or how much you can do with it.

I don't talk to your guests.

It's true.

Oh, yes.

It's a question of how do you actually get the full facts to the public.

And if they belong to an organization where the leadership isn't here to let them decide for themselves, or it's also something that has been made to you in respect to your own orientation.

But the local faith is open.

I'd love to copy you.

Sure.

Now, we had a law school study of all the faiths who are to come together on the minority problem.

And you must lead us to see the jobs they're doing in your administration.

Some of your appointees, you read this and just compare the cities.

You know, when you pick up a paper and read it, it doesn't mean anything.

But you read all of these and compare it.

And read with some of the blacks.

Now, some of the blacks are satisfied with this progress.

And are satisfied.

They're satisfied practice to be made in other classes throughout the month.

Yeah.

Okay?

And one of the fellow flesh-eaters was an appointee of yours.

I'm sure you're not responsible for him, but somebody might come through.

And you must read this.

Now, we have a fellow civil body with the Attorney General's Office in New York, a hold-up from Oregon, who's made a lot of trouble for friends of yours, now that I understand he's retired.

That he's made trouble for them.

He's done this with unions, and as I said before and I repeat, any union that's violating the law or doing something wrong, we're not helping to protect them.

They have to pay the penalty, they have to, whatever the procedures we take against them, that's it.

But where people are trying to do the right thing, or are doing it, or being harassed, and dragged down and put to a letter, the ringer, and then finally nothing is done about it.

You don't hear the fingers just drop.

These are some of the sad things that are going on.

Many of them are people who are with the administration.

Now, this is hard for me to say to my people.

The president doesn't have anything to do with this.

We say it because we believe it's true, and you don't have any control.

You do not.

This type of a job that's understood, you cannot watch out for.

And this is where the damage is being done on the local level, because the rank and file, the average worker, he reads the press,

And if he has confidence in his leadership, because leadership says, look, I may not always agree with the president, but when he's right, he's right, so he can get a proper balance.

Well, the New York Times and New York Post, for instance, in New York City,

I'm not working today.

If you went on the board today, you'd still be going on the board.

See, so, we're going to get a paper up there.

Well, the news doesn't care so much.

The news might find that they're up with it when they're wrong, and sometimes when they're right, they'll give a word for it.

But they don't know the way to say we're right.

Once in a while, they give us a good compliment.

But that doesn't disturb us if they don't tell the facts.

And this is what's missing.

The people are not getting the real facts.

Let me say on this minority thing, because Chuck talked to you about that.

What can we do on that sort of, I'm talking to me, you know, and some of the folks here, and I don't need to be very concerned about this.

First, let's come to specifically the New York thing.

New York, as I understand, has a plan.

What's the problem?

Why isn't it that bad?

It's okay.

And we've got a pattern.

We had the governor sign it, put out an executive order on it, and we had Lindsey.

Now, Lindsey, of course, I don't think I can tell you about Lindsey this afternoon.

A real character that I think is the most dangerous man in the country.

What's he turned on?

He plays his game.

He's put the okay on it, and he tells his gang, well, I'm starting to get in trouble.

But Lindsey is a...

He's a big man.

Oh, he's a big man.

He doesn't want to go to the areas of the city council because he would have built them.

And then he'll send his soldiers into the struggle and have the police.

You know what I think?

Really, they're just talking about ourselves.

And I'm never saying it publicly, but I'm talking a lot more about that.

I was out in Chicago.

And the thing is, we were in Chicago and New York.

The city is clean.

The mayor came up to me.

He said, I'm a Democrat, but I'm an American first.

The police are proud, and they really, there's a spirit about the city that's great.

I go to New York, I get depressed.

The city's filthy, and the police are discouraged.

I can tell them, I can tell them, I can tell them, I can tell them.

I don't want you to bring yourself wrong.

Rocky tells me that he thinks Lindsay's some way has been able to

the decent people in the city.

He says people are leaving this government.

I don't know about that.

He says he can't get good people to work with him.

What is his situation?

What's the trouble?

Well, I would say that, you know, the city, as far as the crisis financially is only part of the half around, everything is so bad that it's unbelievable.

It's just unbelievable.

People who come into the city, you see it then, certainly they, you know, they don't care.

They're visiting, and maybe they see it, but they're not sure if they're going home.

But the people who must work there, the people who must live there, if you talk to them, they're so disgusted.

For instance, uh, prostitution.

Uh, I'm not exaggerating.

Ballast, the prostitutes operate openly all the morning.

Madison Avenue.

Park Avenue.

Outside of all of us running hotel rooms.

Really?

Really.

You know, now, you see, this never happened.

Under any administration, there was a vote like that, like when he permits a decadent atmosphere in this.

Well, he permits it.

His police commission... Murphy.

Murphy, obviously, a real weak fish.

Yeah.

He's in the same effect because he pleaded to take law school study.

Well, Huber told me about that.

We got rid of him, period and all.

He went to Detroit.

Huber told me when he went to the yard.

He said, nothing to do with the phone.

No, we had our meeting with the police.

He said we didn't find him.

Deliberately.

Because, I mean, I think, you know, he knocked our police chief, Wilson, Wilson, picked up all those bombs.

Wilson's right.

You have to stop these people who stop there.

But that's our back of it.

I want that New York order to prove about who's stopping it.

What happened, Mr. President, was that for about three months, the Bureau of Defense committed a crime.

Yeah.

We now have Larry Silverman, who's the entire material.

And as soon as we get more information from people,

I think we cannot, Chuck, we cannot have our

I mean, this is a controversy issue, but they tried to work it out.

They worked it out.

You know, that's what I need.

So you push Larkin.

I said, so, because he wants to do other things.

You tell him, you know, I've been hammering around.

All right.

We have some of the things you were, you know, that, how many did you mention to me a few weeks ago?

I think we've cleared up.

Henry's been in touch with me, right after the show.

And now, what they were talking about was manning cars and so forth, some kind of .

Now, New York has a very good record.

The other day, we had a group ticket at .

The Board of Education wouldn't knock us down, because we told the board we would cooperate unless they played ball at the top.

Let's put everything on the table.

We don't have anything in the dining room.

The Board of Education finally ruled and distributed the job, led by a Negro who was detained in Moscow.

They figured a job.

Our own black men was running off the job with hammers.

We had to get the... Hammers?

With hammers.

Our cop was there.

There were blacks who were taunting him.

Oh, okay.

Well, they were accurate.

Our blacks were better than the other blacks.

Good, good.

And... Now, we test the word out.

We, you know, let the police in on this.

Don't get involved in any physical violence because we know what we've got to do.

We're afraid that, you know, we have 200 men in harm, and they get very fine housing, low-fault jobs up to harm, and the police couldn't handle it.

It's just a mess.

So we're trying to keep them calm.

But what happened?

Our own college, our black college, ran away.

We're trying to stand for the blacks in the corner.

The Board of Education then told the president, the news reported, but the Times, the pollster decided, he said it wasn't important, that 35% of the people on that job will marry us.

35% of that job.

I just don't make sense.

Well, let me say that on this point, you have that, you have the other point, which is sensitive regarding, you know, our people within the department taking the line, which does not recognize that we

You're trying to be fair to everybody here.

Now I understand you're working on another problem too, sir.

Let's get more to that.

I would prefer if you, we just didn't discuss, but let me say we're working on it.

I don't know what I mean.

Is that your problem?

Yes.

He's a good fellow.

I mean, I mean, I don't think he needs a sponsor, but I think what's happened here is that he, apparently, Chuck, has taken a position on some of these things.

It goes beyond what the...

what the, no one requires, correct me if I think that's right, a common concern.

Plus, are you talking about, I haven't talked to him, I haven't, John Goldman has several times, but I don't know his name.

He means very well, but he gets carried away with his rhetoric when they fail.

It's not a question of fighting, you know, discrimination, we all want to fight.

We answer that all the time.

But, you see, he goes beyond that.

He gets into the political field.

Because his speeches to contract associations.

We have all his speeches.

We get a contract with him.

He speaks to contract associations.

What does that say?

We now have broken the back of the building trade unions.

They're not a problem.

You know, then our people fail.

But this is what the President wants to break.

He wants to break my second meeting here with the

I said as far as this whole matter is concerned,

So you heard a lot of this, but we're trying to break in.

We're not.

I said, I believe that we can.

I told them I want to back all.

I have a lot of friends in the business community, building trades, contractors, and I want to break in.

You know?

You know, the guys that have the kind of tables, I know that they're worried that the unions are getting weaker and weaker.

You see, because you see the unions provide up to a top billion.

They provide up most of it.

You know, there are some, I remember, there are some people in business that do.

But in the construction trades, I find, I find that as far as the big construction contractors, like Bechtel, Bechtel does one of the great things.

Steve Bechtel says, you know, he's sitting on this meeting and all the construction trades and he's working with it.

But what I want to say is that, in this instance, we've got to be sure that there is no rhetoric out of this administration.

No rhetoric.

Because we're not going to do anything.

No rhetoric that will sound like that.

That's the point that I made.

And I'm sure we'll take on the dating program.

We're almost done solving the difficult thing that he has.

He's been known for doing things as one of your strongest supporters.

They marched to kill.

They marched last year in New York at 150,000.

What you said, it was a racist plot to win favor with the president.

That's just...

He said that?

He just cut the hell out of people.

Oh, perfect.

Now, really?

That's one of his statements.

That's... We've stopped that kind of stuff.

But see, we're just... Let me say this.

We don't anymore.

I'll tell you that.

That's kind of a reflection of what we've seen with some of the black people that come out.

We're convinced that Fletcher sees himself as the new Martin Luther King, and this is something you cannot control, we cannot control.

You make a man an opportunity to work for his country and lay out on himself, and then he takes that to go in another direction.

We're convinced from all of his speeches that he has political ambitions, and he's building himself up as a black man, true to your good grace, and giving him an opportunity.

I'm not against that.

I think in this country, every man's right.

We want to get politically far.

But I think some of his speeches have been so detrimental to you, to your administration.

Listen, what Chuck just said about our parade, our parade had nothing to do with it.

Politically, you didn't call us to say, put on a parade.

We didn't call you to say, as the president, you give us certain things, we'll put on a parade.

It wasn't that at all.

And we said to the press, we said on TV all that was done.

And, of course, the men were moved.

They were disturbed at what was going on.

And they moved on their own.

And the thousands of others, the television people, not only all over the United States, but the whole world, through the whole world.

And we had one letter that had 50 corners of wild names and threatened to kill me and bomb me and everything else, which still goes on.

We still get a lot of leaked and threatened letters.

But the majority of people, I'm very happy to say, who identified themselves as

And I think it disturbs some of these people what they swing it over to Nixon.

although they weren't before.

And this is, I think that's why we're under this constant attack.

And I've been attacked by the commies who are not common demonstrations against you in New York, and you've lived it to this day.

And on this wage stabilization.

And they're putting out some vicious stuff.

But I'd just like to leave you with some fun stuff.

Sure.

Don and I were over, and so were a lot of people.

But it just points out to me, some of what you should know

Uh, I still, the feelings, I said, well, why are the building trades around the country a lot?

And, uh, especially New York and the East End.

What happened to the right of South California, some degree, but...

Yes, you do, that's right.

You have, but not me.

Not too many.

Not too many, but...

They were a lot worse there, particularly the painters.

Right.

That was the one thing I had to... What was that one?

Well, they were in Hollywood and the Mountaineers.

They were out there.

Yes, the Hollywood crowd.

and we straightened that out because they attacked us as afraid of being fascists and so forth.

And we're ready to get some of the leaders to straighten them out.

There isn't any Russian front that's against the Teamsters.

That's exactly what's in the building grades in the Teamsters.

Yeah.

Or the North's attack from the left because they're really great forward within the labor movement.

I guess they're going left.

I guess Congress and the left is going left.

Well, we've done that a lot.

You know what I'm saying?

Well, I went into that meeting down there, you know, and, uh, uh, the day of my wife's, uh, wedding anniversary.

And, uh, I had this real hate mail.

You see, part of it goes back to the, the whole business, I guess, you know, that was the, part of it was because of the, the, uh, the, the prosecutions that occurred in the Hoff and Dale, right?

The way it was like, you can't really take the dangers out of the U.S. if you have over two million members.

Well, now you can't say that two million members, two million men, are going to have to, for care, bear the brunt of charges that were made against the U.K. president, Jimmy Hoffa.

And Fitzsimmons, from what I've been able to see, was a good guy, a fine guy.

He had his head locked up.

And, uh, so we walked in.

But we found the wolf.

You saw some of that mail.

On the other hand, I, uh, I think it was the right thing to do.

But you caught down on the right thing to do.

Oh, well, that didn't bother me.

I thought all the people didn't know anything.

Well, I don't know where it's coming from.

No matter what you did, that wolf would attack you anyway.

Sure.

But it felt like it was all right.

No, I guess.

I think Franklin Jones is a decent man.

He's a decent man.

much-needed character in the human model.

He's got a low tone, he's not loud, he's not...

I think he's a sincere and decent guy.

I hope the teachers, the main thing is I think it's very important for them to gain a respectable status in the animal for another reason.

There's nothing about the teachers that I've known for years.

Boy, they're good Americans.

You know, I went around that table with Chuck when I went around.

He worked there when I went around.

He had his whole executive board in his custody for something like about 30 years.

or 30 false leaders.

About 20 of them were wearing American flags.

I thought, it's just like your group.

I said, I don't know, maybe they're our kind of people.

You know, the Joe Trevor Toll, who ends up in the Teamsters, who you are, is a decent minister.

Well, he was then, yes.

And there are a lot of, the Teamsters are business agents to the number that I know of.

He is a mentor, very dedicated to their families.

So they enable the church and communities.

Now, those are the bad apples that we have in the building trades.

We try to purge them ourselves, but it's not always easy.

You know, you get tied up in the red tape of the courts, and it takes a long time.

In the meantime, everyone's being scared when they hear this.

When we look at who's criticizing you, there's people that I like to criticize.

Because when they criticize me, I'm understanding I'm really doing my job.

But the time, the time to criticize me, it helps me.

And post-millie was the only time.

Post-millie.

See, because I don't have any old daily work.

The day workers people are all over the post-millie.

Well, they were with that scandal sheet, that scandal, that, you know, that scandal, wasn't that?

Scandal wire?

Scandal stuff.

No.

They went and drank the nightclub, and this fellow, Zeon, was involved in the stealing of these papers.

Well, there was a time when Jack Hawkins had a scandal.

That's another phase of this conspiracy.

He's a Zeon.

Yeah, he, he...

I want to take a question.

There's been some things in the press that say that he did it.

Why wasn't it?

We haven't been as clear as we should be.

I think what Pete is talking about here is very important.

It is what we do.

We do some things that are wrong, too.

And I mean, objectively, we are, but at least we can talk about that and negotiate something.

But what is the real problem is what we're saying.

And I did, for example, a problem with the Fletcher case.

Lance Saban, Lance Spear, is a constitutional letdown.

I'm not going to have a black-white deal on this thing.

As far as the blacks are concerned, we've done more than anybody else.

They don't care.

They don't appreciate it.

We're not going to do it.

And we'll still do it because it's right.

But on the other hand, let's not have any illusions about all this.

And we're going to do it.

And I know that the thing that I've done when I was in Rochester, for example, I stopped across the street where they were moving the building and I was surprised.

There are only 10% of the population.

So I see it on these jobs.

But what I mean is, we're going to stop this rhetoric.

I'm not going to have anything said by anybody in this administration that takes on people that are supporting this in the foreign policy area.

That's the big deal, understand, sir.

And also, I want to make it clear,

with regard to the specifics to get the New York thing worked out.

And on the stabilization and so forth.

We don't, let me say this, we do this, I want you to know, we do this, I told, I was being quite candid, I told the president and now, I realize that

Most of you folks around this table are Democrats.

I think they all were.

And I said, I understand.

And I realize most of you have supported other candidates in the past.

I understand.

As a matter of fact, the Dinksters did not support the 58th or me either.

They were part of the Indiana team.

And in 1950, when I ran for guest delegate, that doesn't spoil it very enough.

Do you remember talking to Ray Lynch?

He is a Dinkster.

He was one of mine.

I said, I want you to know that what we definitely need in this country are a few people, are our leaders, our leaders that will stand behind the president and with the president of the United States in the field of foreign policy.

When we're negotiating to try to end the war, when we have problems with Soviet, problems with Chinese, and all that sort of thing, problems with national events, we just need it.

And so it's on that basis that I want you to work.

In other words, this is not, you can tell your members and your fellows, they say, well, look here, are we getting kind of what they'll say, or is this being framed with some sort of political legal incentive?

No, not at all.

We expect nothing, you know, nothing.

But we do know this.

That you fellows came to our aid when, frankly, the business community did not, when the education community did not, when the great speakers did not, except for a few of the nations that was struggling in the 1800s.

And I am aware of that.

At the present time, what we want to do is to count on the foreign policy field.

We count on doing that area.

Our part of what we want to do is to see to it that you get a fair shake of these other things.

That's the way we want to handle that.

There's nothing to ask.

We don't expect that.

We don't ask for a thing.

You've got to call that as you see it.

But at the present time, we've got to think whether this country survives, whether it has the backbone, the character and stamina to survive.

And when you see so many people in the intellectual elite losing their guts and

losing the ability to be right and wrong, then you've got to talk to a friend.

That's what gets down to easy.

Well, I think exposure, to lay that out, I go back to this couple months ago in the Congressional Law Society.

I was being with their Medal of Merit.

I think it was something close to 2,000 people involved.

Many of the Democrats and Republicans and some that were a little bit out, they keep the question, I'm sure, were so impressed.

I met them later and they enjoyed the military display.

that was set up, that everything was done on such a high-class basis that they forgot their anti-war feelings and anti-Nixon.

They were carried away.

This is what you need, boys, to get the people back feeling about America as they once did.

And these people moved.

So I said, well, we'll have to plan more dinners like this, but the regular dinners where you get a lot of people making speeches or asking in.

And they were moved by the fact that they had already conducted themselves so well in other areas.

I think you're absolutely right.

We're going to have a program on July the 3rd, Saturday night at 10.30 prime time, all three networks.

I say we are, it's bipartisan.

The Speaker, the Chief Justice, and I will kick off what we call a bicentennial era, because it's exactly five years before the 200th anniversary.

We're going to go down to the archives of the Constitution, the original Constitution, the original Declaration of Independence.

the Army course, brief speeches, half hour.

We're ready to fight with them.

Why can't we turn away to the planet?

You know, I miss being a part of this thing here.

I mean, some of the people here on the staff here, I'll tell you this, I do it deliberately now because, you know, with the campaign last year in 70, a lot of the guys that have been away on these things, you know,

get well, and they're riding the police cars and wearing the flag after the election.

I don't mean that they're not patriotic, but you know they're doing a good job.

We are wearing the flag around this place.

I saw it in the White House just three days ago.

I have one.

You saw the flag displayed here at the legislative conference.

Yes, I did.

I sure did.

I have a thousand men who will overcome you.

They don't just put them on when they come out on special occasions.

That was the best example, Mr. President.

I want to put you on and through the, go through the rooms.

Do you want to hear, are you talking about recently?

Yeah, I've been lying to put it in one of my speeches.

I'd like to see people who have the flag up, not just, who wear the flag and have the flag up, not just for a special occasion, but all the time.

Well, we wear it because we're proud of it and we do it now for the use of it.

It's a present deliberately for those who are taunts.

Be surprised how many people come up to us and say, what are you wearing?

Red.

Oh, sure.

Good.

We have to share with us that we belong to a club.

Club?

What do you mean, club?

Did you ever hear of a club called the United States of America?

It's a great club.

Well, I've been to America too, but I've never been flying.

You don't want to wear a flag and that.

That's your privilege, but we embarrass them.

They don't want to say this.

Then they get real radical, we're just looking for trouble.

Then they say, look, you know, we're too busy taking care of the country, doing things that we're not doing.

But it's very good, the actions.

Look, I have a meeting a couple of weeks with my state building trades.

So I'm very glad this meeting happened.

And the employee will be meeting at the same time that Whiteface will go, and Whiteface will go.

And this will come up, you know, the delegate will come.

All those who are late, they all want to talk about the waste stabilization.

They want to talk about, you know, the one thing good about stabilization that helped in some way was the fact that the first few cases they had to act on, they didn't say that it was 60%.

They acted according to what the situation was.

And we've actually used that to tell our people, look, this is not that the president says the building trains have to sit still where everybody else moves.

And we might go further than that.

Now, as far as the foreign policy, as far as many other things, our people wish to understand.

I take the flack, but I take it home, and I say, it doesn't bother me.

The one is that I personally believe in one of my attractions.

We are concerned with 72.

I'm not going to be on the bush.

God forbid a man like me has a chance.

Well, I can see that the bush has got to be coming.

They never thought of it.

There's still a bunch of men roaming the country.

Pete and Ted and so on.

Pete and I talked earlier.

Senator Wynne's only ballot into the East Citadel.

Anybody besides Scoot Jetson?

Jetson's been here.

He did very well in those.

Well, of course.

A lot of people like Scoot Jetson.

But he, when I say, I don't want to sound as all-knowing, and he is.

The Democrats vote on my left, too.

You see, then I do, then I party against.

Scoot is, Scoot feels like, well, we have differences in domestic problems, not domestic, but on foreign policy.

He and I are just like that.

Well, it's been a great support of yours and these things.

We've watched it.

But I don't think they'll get nominations, but they're already out of town.

They're already out.

Oh, yeah.

They're out.

But the surprising thing was I had a communication today from a real, well, I wouldn't call it a left wing, but a real right-wing guy.

He was the city council with that guy.

You know, Bob Law, who used to be an aide, by the way.

Jackson Jackson Jackson Jackson Jackson Jackson Jackson Jackson Jackson Jackson Jackson Jackson

If this happens, George is going to be embarrassed because George is already wrapped in muskies.

It's going to be you.

I don't know how.

I don't think so.

I think you're going to scare yourself and a lot of the humans.

I think there's papers saying that.

You know what?

The funny thing about the papers is that I, uh, it'd be very easy for me to knock President Johnson and President Kennedy because of how we got defeated now.

But we're only seeing one side of that.

That's not fair.

Neither of those folks wanted to get us into the war.

They were just trying to keep that country from being taken over by the Communists.

The other thing is, as far as Hubert and Muskie are concerned, now they were both there all the time.

And they were both ragged.

Muskie had a big speech in Chicago in 16.

They both ragged on the Johnson record out there.

Now, when it becomes unpopular on the other side, they turn on him.

I just don't understand that.

There were lots of things that I didn't agree with, not lots, but some things that I didn't agree with President Eisenhower.

By God, I understand.

You can't do that, but I don't think people appreciate what you think, Chuck.

You were just turning on Johnson when I sat with you.

He was not, I don't think there's a matter of loyalty now that charged Johnson with this concern.

I should be the last to defend him.

He's on the other side.

But then when he was President of the United States, and I, and here it is, in a very curious way,

I have treated him better than any of the Democratic presidential candidates, except for Jackson.

Jackson, of course.

Sorry.

But I treated him better.

That's what I should do.

Well, I think as the president, you're doing the right thing as a man.

I forget being the president.

Because there's certain things you have to live with as a man, with yourself.

And I'm sure you would come out of that.

But I don't know, you know, what room.

Because it's, you know, I think there's a reason.

Would it be a check to do, maybe go up to that thing or is that to be done?

If you have any information on any of these things, it might be a good idea.

Well, I think what I can do is keep in touch with Chuck.

Right.

Because I want to get some good news on some of these things.

All right.

So one of the things I appreciate, if we have any facts to clear, because there is some misunderstanding in the paper as to your deal with the public works.

Now, in New York State, especially in New York City, we're in fairly good shape, not too bad.

But in other states where this would create a situation where people, and they'll be told this, that Nixon is anti-work and anti-building crazy, and they won't tell them why he did what he did.

Well, that bill puts it out in the future.

We have the biggest construction that we can have as far as the government is concerned.

That bill wouldn't affect this year at all.

It wouldn't affect next year or the year after when there's going to be another kick-off.

But we're signing a public employment bill, which will be coming out in a few days.

The emergency public employment bill.

And also, you might get the thing about the fact that the funds are now being released for construction all over the country.

You see, we have a fiscal year coming.

July 1st is now coming.

And the dough is going to flow in.

And one thing I think you ought to do, let me say this very important, and have a talk with him on this environment stuff.

The environmentalists, you know what I mean, they have talked of several billion dollars worth of construction projects.

ground over an earth environment.

We all want to keep the air clean and water and so forth, but I mean, I've got a lot of jobs.

And he feels very strongly about that.

Me, he made a statement when I had the productivity question.

I stepped on it.

And I think it must be a question, but I think it's very important if your council up there could crack that thing.

I don't want to put it on the basis of jobs versus the environment.

We're fighting it right now because it kind of has been approved, I think, three times by your commissioner, even going back to the Johnson administration.

And each time it's been taken to court and held up.

Now, we need that, the blackouts and so forth.

Now, in New York City, they're blocking it.

We were down in Romania today.

Lindsey and his crowd brings in all these, what do they call it, this kiddie card group, and they disrupt the meetings with the results that Edison cannot build.

Now Edison is threatening that if they cannot build, they cannot supply a sustainable power to the new buildings, therefore they want all buildings to stop.

But you can make it clear in any conversation you have with the president that we have got the way that we've got to make sense in the environment.

Sure, we've got to do things, we must not do things that are in the environment, but we've got to work jobs in the environment.

That's what the SST thing, that's what that is all about.

So we don't build an SST and now we become fifth in the world in America.

That doesn't make any sense.

And 35,000 guys are on jobs.

That doesn't make any sense.

The building of a nuclear plant, same thing in California, got the same problem.

They want to build one down here in my house.

Everybody's raising hell about it.

It's going to blow up.

It's not going to blow up.

It's going to blow up.

They're against putting up low income housing.

Now that has nothing to do with the environment.

That's not, not even times they don't want to have an area in their area, or they don't want to have housing that may, you know, they leave room in the neighborhood.

So the same rules, you see, this is where you come down, right?

You don't want to attack the immigrants.

They're saying they go back and they live in a nice neighborhood, but they're not giving them that.

Nixon is not very much of a black man.

His sons are playing the government game.

We've got to, we've got to know what we're getting here.

This one I won't get done.

For your other secretary.

And for your top minister.

That's all we got.

I had a destination call up here the other day.

We've got to get across.

I tell you this, a lot of the leaders of the building trades around the country are, you know, they're not following what's going on in Washington.

They're a little bit disturbed with the top leadership.

So we have a little thing going on amongst ourselves, though.

I mean, and locally is where the votes come from out here.

That's a good look.