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It's about time to postpone the date.

I don't know if it's going to be included.

I said he had to ask me about it tomorrow.

I don't know if it's going to be included.

You know, it's hard for us to get it across.

It's got to be said, and we'll be reporting to Jerry.

Well, it's good of you to request for an active inclusion.

Exchanger.

It was expressed by Juan Carlos .

Yeah.

You've got to keep these traffic officers the hell out.

You know, it's not good.

You understand why, Bob.

You've got to keep these traffic officers the hell out.

and then the culture goes again to that same shape.

I suspect that they would.

They think they may get it on a drive, on a poster, get it on a poster, but it's not very likely.

I don't think they'll get it on a poster.

Because others, with the, because of the mass scale of the bird shifting over.

So let's just say it's, hey.

I don't understand how that works.

I'm sure you do.

I don't know if it works.

It's never directed by voting against it.

On the third attempt, they crossed the border.

All the Southerners, of course, give it in now because of what the votes have been on.

I went over to John's, and I, IBS 2, and I told him I'd talk to you about him some time later.

In a position about the use of Conley and Devon, Stans, and Hodgson, and Agnes, etc., etc.

Yes, I just hope that before I get down there, before a boat is in front of me, that he is there.

I'll figure it out while I scan the thing.

See, he's supposed to be looking at me.

I gotta go.

It's been a long day.

No, he was... Yeah, it was...

It's been a long day.

Apparently, he probably told somebody or built something on wanting you to go to the game, which we didn't even know about.

Yeah.

We're really going to be taking them out with us.

We're not taking the others because they're already out there.

We're taking a couple of work.

John Scali was one of them.

All of us are back down.

All of us are taking steps.

We've got to go to the ministerium.

We're taking the roads along.

This is Ohio, I'm sure.

And then we're seeing that we've left the back of the way.

And I like Scali.

I think he's, we hate you on this.

He's starting to be called into it.

I'm going to have to tell you that this could really get upbeat by the fall of my grave.

And it's fine.

It's fine.

But he is remarkable.

He's his attitude.

He's kind of totally different from any congressional guy we've had before.

He doesn't look at the Congress as a... No, he looks at it.

He doesn't look at it on a final minute himself and then come in and ask you to carry the load on him.

He's doing pretty well on it.

One good property is Alan Brown.

Do you remember his name?

Oh, yeah, sure, I remember him.

George Murray's man.

He was bright, bright as hell, smart and so forth.

Conservative, but he's got a great back in the movie producing and that sort of thing.

You know what I mean?

And it just might be interesting to have him back in the campaign.

I know he'd do it, but just put it down for you.

Sure.

Is he still in the same?

He's in his second.

He's a great person.

He was looking generally terribly intense, very conservative.

But he knows the movies.

You know, they might have some exciting ideas.

But here's my feeling about these speeches.

Let me say that I haven't read the others.

We have got to get this.

I don't know what it is, but we've got to get it.

We've got to get the quality of it.

And the preparation of remarks, and all that sort of thing, and all the suggestions, some quality of .

And it doesn't need to be, they don't have to be worried about it being different.

They don't have to worry about it being hard news.

And I'm pleased to get just a minute or two on that, you know, if they can.

But in my style, you know, saying that this reminded me of, but just saying it.

I think race, that's quite a thing there, but I haven't seen anything yet from that.

Preach what you preach to me.

Andrew says, of the group that I have seen to date, that is the best people ever in this field.

He tends to be rather emotional or idealistic, and doesn't mind that about him.

And I think, I think that Stadmeier probably, he's such a great guy, such a valuable property.

If you, if you follow William more into what he really wants, so he is, he obviously, he's moved on almost totally.

He does none of your, or virtually none of your March stuff or anything like that.

He'll take a major speech on a subject, but he, and well, I understand.

It's a good job.

I have a feeling that the radio series that, you know, we've been talking about, I think it's a good idea.

I just have a feeling that maybe we are,

thinking of terms that are really, really effective in terms of what the radio and the TV see.

But I don't know, sir.

There's nothing I can say.

Well, I know there's a supplement, some information, given to you that I can do it.

Yeah, I can talk to you about it.

Why is that?

I don't know.

I know you've had that check already.

I don't know, Greg, I thought it was worthwhile that you take that.

Written by Ken.

I guess we've got to run, uh, Rudy Peterson probably.

Oh, yeah?

Yeah, he's gonna take the Hoffman job.

Well, they'll do it next week.

Yeah.

Who else?

But, Dave, why do you have to do it?

Well, Henry and George would.

All right, all right.

But let's all say you've got Tim.

Oh, he's my father.

Well, I don't know if he does mean he does.

I don't know.

But I want him to know, though, why, uh,

You know, so it's kind of like, well, we're with you.

Well, I mean, yeah, yeah.

So that he'll know where the power is around here.

Tell God the problem is this.

See, this one, if he was ever asked about it, I hope so.

Maybe it was in a long time ago.

I think it was.

Well, there's, that's the sense of the argument that I sort of want to point to be clear.

I wanted to address this event in the works.

That's the best thing that we, that Paul Loughlin, who is the President of the Bank of America, that I've been trying to get him.

He did the foreign aid thing.

He's agreed to accept it.

He's agreed to accept it, but I want to be sure that the Commonwealth has no objections to it.

And then, that I feel that when he doesn't settle, I don't know how we can put it in effect, but I want that he has a column to sit down and he, so that we can give him a signal as to what the hell we're going to do on this matter.

Fair enough.

Yeah.

I wonder if you would sort of talk to George Bush about it.

I would think he would be hitting.

And it surprises me that you are giving good opportunity to talk.

But I'm getting to the representation problem fully about the generation.

And it's encouraging me to be able to have the meeting.

Would you call me or anything?

Let me do it.

You're really talking about a New York society.

You're talking about a New York society.

that he is the one who can best make this idea of a leader of the world.

I think if he could, for example, make a report to members of Congress, come down and see some members of Congress and tell them how enthusiastically this initiative has been, if it has been received among the United Nations, you know what I mean?

How it's changed the whole situation.

If he could make talks privately to that subject.

These are just the places where you can build up next to the world's biggest refuge.

I had one thought when Charlie arrived and we were trying to look for something here.

What he really wanted to do, and he would, is one of those Tyson-type things where he could be his ambassador for the purpose of negotiating a particular thing.

He could do anything in the world as far as I'm concerned.

As a matter of fact, I don't know why you're going to do that catalog.

I don't know why you're going to do that catalog.

But I don't want a two-month deal like Tyson.

If I'd have thought of it earlier, I'd have put in there, I'd have put Tyson in on that.

That's what telecommunications or whatever it is.

And it's Charlie's bag.

But if you just keep driving, and I tell Frank to keep his eye open, not for something, but something that has a title, that is substantive, that we need a plan to negotiate for us.

John mentioned one thing to me and I'm thinking about it.

It's a small matter and I have production, so I was probably muted in any way.

When I finished the lakeside talk, I made it walk up the road.

to stick my nose in and say hello to the camp.

It's very close.

There's a walking field.

And then come out and I urge you to add 20 minutes or 25 minutes to the shot.

You see, unless, when you go to the Grove, you're not in the Grove unless you're in a camp.

And I figured, and I think that unless I go in and sign in and sort of check in, I haven't done that.

And it just involves them.

It isn't essential, but it might be a gentleman.

That shouldn't be on anything.

It would be a gentleman.

You could just do that.

I got spontaneous attention.

I got so-and-so called.

The president is not announcing this because there would be too damn many people that would come in.

But he would tell them, you know, he would tell the people that I'll come by for 20 minutes after the speech and go up to them.

You know, they'll have a whole raft of people.

I'd rather have a raft than just those old guys that are members of that camp.

It's one of the oldest in the city.

That said, if a person from your spot got by, then he has to take off.

Okay?

on our business and the, uh, of, uh, you know, we talked about the follow-up and so forth.

It seems to me that in the political areas, we really have two, three people.

Basically you, Colson, and Earl.

who could be involved.

I suppose you might have had planning for that group of people.

Yes.

What I'm getting at is I'm thinking about, you know, we've had times, there are times when I should meet with Earth, for example.

But I'm thinking now of basically the stand-up tires, all of ours.

That's about it, isn't it?

I mean, there are people with other plans.

If you, Colson,

Would you have money or not?

Yes.

He would have.

Generally, yes.

Because he really, he can.

He wouldn't keep them here.

He is willing.

Well, I can keep them here.

I'd be happy to keep them.

I just, you know, I think, well, frankly, I just told him, get another businessman to go over there and stay.

We'd be finding a fellow like this every day.

He used to have a job.

We certainly thought we'd be able to get somebody to take that job and stay.

But I just think Flanagan is too valuable to us politically to have him take the video.

Have Flanagan turn it down.

Have Flanagan just say that he feels he's registered here because of his interest in politics.

Fair enough?

And on the other hand, let's get Flanagan into the political bit more.

And he likes it, and he's ballsy, also on this economic sales job.

But, boy, I want you to rehaul these guys in terms of actually spreading these things out a little more.

And then let's really get things where we can and follow up.

What I would do is that, what I would do is tell him, and I don't like telling him, I know he's liberal, I understood that, and I can tell him here at his every expense, he couldn't be anything else than a KW, because he basically was simply taking the line of any young person, saying, well, the other side's all this way, I don't see this way, and if you remember, it was about the war and things like that.

But, where I think he's dangerous from is that he does speak from

part of the ideally intellectual generation.

We might swing, you see what I mean?

In other words, his idea about style and so forth, what it feels and what it doesn't, of course, it's wrong.

I mean, he needs to get into the heart of it and stuff, and emotional stuff, and he's for more conversations and full president of Colorado and so forth.

But that is something that I think people like Colson and you

We ought to listen to it.

We ought to hear it.

See, that's my point.

And also it occurred to me that he might be able to get in a specific project to work this, to work an issue there.

What do you think?

Is that something that Colson thinks he can do all the time?

Colson thinks he would be disastrous.

He couldn't...

He couldn't control it.

He may be wrong.

Well, there's a huge amount of that.

Colson, he's more of an advisor.

Colson showed you that he's an advisor.

And Rice is doing some damn good writing for congressmen, for our speakers out in the field and stuff like that on specific points.

And he's good.

He's very bright, of course.

And Rice, of course, writes well.

But I want to get, I want to see Ray know it pretty well and would evaluate it totally differently than Chuck does.

Right.

All right, get ready to start.

Get ready to get back on in again, too.

Get ready to make a... Where the hell were we going to get that from?

We got to do cannabis.

We got to do what could serve you right or wrong.

I'm ready on that.

I'm ready on that, sir.

Yes, sir.

Got a problem with that.

The cannabis...

reports that the right, whatever that is, met secretly in New York on Monday with tight, very tight security, and today they're distributing a suspension of support document for the president.

They pass over domestic policy, pretty much.

They hit inflation, unemployment, world tariffs, and so on, but they focus on foreign policy.

Their complaints are the lack of American response to German policy toward the Soviets, the lack of response to the Soviet buildup in the Mediterranean,

initiatives toward China without visible concessions on Peking's part, but above all, the lack of American response to the Soviet conventional and strategic arms deal.

They praise the president for standing up to those who want to attend the South Vietnam, etc.

They extend all manner of personal courtesies, but then they indicate they are suspending support of the president.

They leave the door open to political opposition in primaries, but don't ask for political support right now.

The problem is that the signers include members of six conservative organizations or publications, including Bill Buckley.

And that's what kind of bothers Pat and me.

But Buckley, Burnham, Meyer, and Rusher from National Review, Witter and Riskin for Human Events, Mahoney for the New York Conservative Party, Teague for the Yas, Anthony Harrigan for the Southern Industrial Conference, John Jones for the American Conservative Union, and Neal McCaffrey for the Conservative Book Club.

There were others present also.

Some pushed for a primary candidate, but they're looking at this as a two-step arrangement, not asking politicians to step forward to clear the field.

Jim Buckley's people did not participate.

And Pat says others he knows of did not because the security was bad on earlier meetings.

The impact he thinks will be to energize the conservatives outside of Congress.

We should give some considerations to have a handle.

We will use Reagan and Jim Buckley as our spokesmen.

whether we should lowkey it, ignore it, or quietly or what.

The problem is the press will be all over the hill asking for off-the-record comments if they can't get on the record ones.

It's going to seem to get a better listing.

It was very curious to see what a cliffhanger was there, because there's nobody involved so far who is a political entrepreneur.

I think this is a problem that's here that they're up to.

That is predictable, I think.

The Soviet arms bill up is a line they've been hammering on, and they'll get some congressional...

Backing on that.

They've got some congressional backing, but they can't get any votes.

That's our problem.

That's right.

Who the hell would be getting good ABN?

You know, I was in the back of the park today.

Christ almighty, where in the hell would I be holding that?

They're so short sighted.

But you do, I think you better tell Henry that he's got to get on the Bill of Population thing right away, you know what I mean?

Yep.

Because he can build a population on what we're doing on Long Beach.

They don't understand, probably most understand, whether it's solid or whether it's, or whether it's,

I just...

Be curious.

But let me tell you, what they want is you up there saying we've got to double the defense budget, build a lot more.

See, that's Bill Buckley's hang-up.

He's been very all-against-the-salt thing on the basis that unless you have a super weapon up your sleeve, we're in real trouble.

All right.

Let Henry talk to it.

But Henry has got to get off his ass and talk to it.

I've told you several times.

What does he have about it?

I don't know.

He tried to, but he was gone.

He was out of town.

But you'd put it right in your town.

On the other hand, this could be very useful to us.

You understand?

Sure.

I'm speaking particularly about China.

We've got this, have the Chinese figure.

Right.

See?

Yep.

But also, it isn't too bad in one sense.

I mean, if you're going to

If you're going to exploit this centrist area, if you're going to exploit it, you can't have a congressman like Jack Edwards, Otto Passa, people like that come in.

Hell, they're all for this.

I mean, the political conservatives, Reagan, hell, they have a job on this, aren't they?

Yeah.

For other positive reasons.

Hell, they look at polls, and all sorts of things.

But we, including Jim Buckley, including Jim Buckley,

Buckley knows that, oh Christ, he'd be good on the ark, and they'd just kill him on this thing.

But I think Henry should get to know about it, and I don't want to be a goddamn fool here.

We don't want a responsible politician to throw us some work there.

But hell, human events and all that, they'll be acting around.

And it isn't all that important, Bob.

Oh, that's the word.

Well, that's what you're saying.

Yeah, Pat.

He's not at all panicked.

He should have said, but he's at some point too ready to let Pat in on the game.

And we want to, we've got to keep King feeling that there is some opposition on the right for other ways.

We just go there because everybody in this country is for it.

I have no other choice.

We also want the Russians to know that there's some opposition on the right.

But he's the only name on there.

All these guys are basically what they are, but they're doctrinaire rats.

But it's very negative.

I said for months that, you know, I told you.

I said, look, Matt, do they ever mention the campaign?

Do they ever mention law?

Oh, yeah, they can.

Sure.

They say that's fine, but why don't you do more, right?

The right position in American politics is not on that fine side.

The right was actually shared right where I am.

Now it's in the middle, but moved to the right of center.

It's not on George Russell's side either.

You've got to just tilt it a little to the right of center at this point.

Would you agree?

But on the other hand, we've got to keep responsible people that have a lot of them.

That's just still the goddamned position.

We've got to have a lot of them.

It's nuts, you know, they're all been around in our meetings.

Barricade to the left.

We don't want the right-leggers around there.

Well, you're getting it.

We have, you know, YAPA has its implementations.

I know.

The American flag.

Yeah.

So I'll have to turn it.

I'm not concerned about it for this reason.

They just haven't got a choice at this point.

They don't have a choice for either Reagan.

Yeah, they would have a perfect Reagan.

Cranked up.

Tell Henry also to be sure that he keeps Reagan.

He calls him to repeat this or they might get Reagan.

break again for that reason, my Henry.

That's why I think you've got to see everything that comes out of your head.

Also, I think he ought to get a cold water, right?

We don't want to be responsible moving in this direction.

Sure.

Well, I'm sure he doesn't arrive, because I want him to arrive.

See how he's got hands?

I want him to arrive in 10 minutes after I get back to the White House, so I'll be able to pull him.

Let's set it up.

There, this has been hanging.

So this will let him drive around the drive-in?

Yeah.

Or stall it, stall it in, or do stall it on land?

On land.

All right, so maybe 15 minutes in any event.

I know this will never end on time.

OK, 15 minutes.